• follow the money, especially in opensource

    From Retrograde@fungus@amongus.com.invalid to comp.misc on Sat Jul 18 13:53:48 2026
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    From the -2money talks, bullshit walks-+ department:
    Feed: OSnews
    Title: Follow the money, especially in open source
    Author: Thom Holwerda
    Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2026 05:27:46 +0000
    Link: https://www.osnews.com/story/145548/follow-the-money-especially-in-open-source/

    Linus Torvalds, the creator of the Linux kernel and git, is employed by
    the Linux Foundation[1]. This Foundation is a non-profit organisation
    dedicated to, as the name obviously implies, the promotion of Linux. The primary use of the funds it collects is to rCLhelp fund the infrastructure
    and fellows, including Linus Torvalds, who help develop the Linux
    kernelrCY. The list of megacorporations donating most of the FoundationrCOs funds is long.

    The Linux Foundation has twelve platinum members[2], which donate
    $500000 per year, followed by twelve gold members, who donate $100000
    per year. Below these two primary tiers lie the silver peasants, who
    each donate $5000-$25000 per year, based on number of employees. Looking
    at the list of twelve platinum members, I noticed something interesting.

    Of the twelve platinum companies, six are rCLAIrCY companies or companies
    with massive investments in rCLAIrCY: Google, Huawei, Facebook, Microsoft, Oracle, and IBM/Red Hat. Then thererCOs Samsung Electronics, which is
    raking in stupendous amounts of money[3] thanks to the rCLAIrCY bubble. Additionally, one of the gold members is Anthropic, another major rCLAIrCY company and makers of rCLClauderCY, the sloppiest of slopcoding tools.

    Many of these companies are unimaginably deep in the red[4] when it
    comes to rCLAIrCY, with very little indication theyrCOre ever going to be able to recover any of it[5]. The situation is particularly bad for Oracle
    and IBM/Red Hat. OraclerCOs debt has been downgraded to one notch above
    junk status[6] because of its rCLAIrCY spending, while IBMrCOs shares experienced the largest crash in its 115 year history[7] only a few days
    ago. By the way, in the first half of 2025, rCLAI-related capital
    expenditures contributed 1.1% to [US] GDP growth[8], outpacing the U.S. consumer as an engine of expansionrCY.

    Fun fact: since most of The Netherlands is effectively a swamp, most of
    the countryrCOs buildings are built on massive wooden or concrete poles
    (piles) hammered deep into the ground[9] until they hit something more
    stable than mushy clay and wet sand. Otherwise, buildings in the country
    would simply sink into the ground. Every Dutch person who ever lived
    near a construction site has heard the rhythmic kathunk, kathunk,
    kathunk, all day long, as the massive piledriver machines spread their
    gospel. I guess something reminded me of this just now.

    Anyway, a large chunk of the funding the Linux Foundation, Linus
    TorvaldrCOs employer, receives is coming from increasingly desperate
    companies frantically trying to convince a populace deeply skeptical and
    often downright hostile towards rCLAIrCY[10] to spend money on rCLAIrCY before the bubble bursts.

    For some reason, I thought this was interesting[11].

    Links:
    [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation (link)
    [2]: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members (link)
    [3]: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1kyy8yrpxdo (link)
    [4]: https://isaiprofitable.com/ (link)
    [5]: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/17/business/ai-spending-oracle-stocks-bonds.html (link)
    [6]: https://www.spglobal.com/ratings/en/regulatory/article/-/view/sourceId/101695609 (link)
    [7]: https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2026/07/14/ibm-shares-crashed-25-in-worst-day-ever-heres-why/ (link)
    [8]: https://am.jpmorgan.com/us/en/asset-management/adv/insights/market-insights/market-updates/on-the-minds-of-investors/is-ai-already-driving-us-growth/ (link)
    [9]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piling (link)
    [10]: https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/hate-ai-more-ice-poll (link) [11]: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/21810-it-is-difficult-to-get-a-man-to-understand-something (link)

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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.misc on Sat Jul 18 22:03:14 2026
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    On 18 Jul 2026 13:53:48 GMT, Retrograde wrote:

    Linus Torvalds, the creator of the Linux kernel and git, is employed
    by the Linux Foundation[1]. This Foundation is a non-profit
    organisation dedicated to, as the name obviously implies, the
    promotion of Linux. The primary use of the funds it collects is to
    rCLhelp fund the infrastructure and fellows, including Linus Torvalds,
    who help develop the Linux kernelrCY. The list of megacorporations
    donating most of the FoundationrCOs funds is long.

    Where does the money go, again? I notice you were a little short on
    details on that. Obviously not all of those mega-millions go into
    Linus TorvaldsrCO pocket.
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  • From not@not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) to comp.misc on Sun Jul 19 09:17:28 2026
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    Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:
    The Linux Foundation has twelve platinum members[2], which donate
    $500000 per year, followed by twelve gold members, who donate $100000
    per year. Below these two primary tiers lie the silver peasants, who
    each donate $5000-$25000 per year, based on number of employees. Looking
    at the list of twelve platinum members,

    Note that if you add all the amounts donated by those members up you
    don't get more than a third of the way to the total "memberships and
    donations" they report receiving in their annual report ($133 million
    in 2025, pg. 58). So the memberships don't tell you who'se really
    providing the greatest share of the funding. Quite possibly some of
    those same member companies donate much more money anonymously since
    they don't want to highlight their corresponding position of
    influence.

    https://www.linuxfoundation.org/hubfs/Publications/2025%20Linux%20Foundation%20Annual%20Report_122225a_lr.pdf

    Of the twelve platinum companies, six are "AI" companies or companies
    with massive investments in "AI": Google, Huawei, Facebook, Microsoft, Oracle, and IBM/Red Hat. Then there's Samsung Electronics, which is
    raking in stupendous amounts of money[3] thanks to the "AI" bubble. Additionally, one of the gold members is Anthropic, another major "AI" company and makers of "Claude", the sloppiest of slopcoding tools.

    Many are also the top employers of Linux kernel code contributors:

    https://lwn.net/Articles/1057302/
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  • From not@not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) to comp.misc on Sun Jul 19 09:32:09 2026
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    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On 18 Jul 2026 13:53:48 GMT, Retrograde wrote:
    Linus Torvalds, the creator of the Linux kernel and git, is employed
    by the Linux Foundation[1]. This Foundation is a non-profit
    organisation dedicated to, as the name obviously implies, the
    promotion of Linux. The primary use of the funds it collects is to
    "help fund the infrastructure and fellows, including Linus Torvalds,
    who help develop the Linux kernel". The list of megacorporations
    donating most of the Foundation's funds is long.

    Where does the money go, again? I notice you were a little short on
    details on that. Obviously not all of those mega-millions go into
    Linus Torvalds' pocket.

    Of a total expenditure of $284,795,682 in the 2025 annual report,
    only $8,410,144 is attributed to "Linux Kernel Project". Most goes
    to "Project Support", which sounds like it could mean anything.
    Their "Training" and "Event Services" appear to be profit-making,
    and each get more money than "Linux Kernel Project", which makes
    me wonder if it's turned into more of a separate business than
    something focused on building software.

    Even if the Linux Foundation's funding is maintained, if the AI
    companies sack the kernel developers who of them also employ, that
    might hurt the Linux kernel project much more.
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  • From Oregonian Haruspex@no_email@invalid.invalid to comp.misc on Sat Jul 18 23:45:47 2026
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    Linux is dead, all the alpha nerds are on BSD, Haiku, or going full retro.
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.misc on Sun Jul 19 04:54:24 2026
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    On Sat, 18 Jul 2026 23:45:47 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

    Linux is dead, all the alpha nerds are on BSD, Haiku, or going full
    retro.

    Most of the retro stuff is running on Linux.
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  • From kludge@kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) to comp.misc on Sun Jul 19 09:44:29 2026
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    Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Jul 2026 23:45:47 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

    Linux is dead, all the alpha nerds are on BSD, Haiku, or going full
    retro.

    Most of the retro stuff is running on Linux.

    Indeed, Linux is being very actively developed with huge numbers of people moving to it. This is WHY all the alpha nerds are on BSD or Haiku.
    --scott
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  • From John McCue@jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid to comp.misc on Sun Jul 19 16:45:55 2026
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    Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Linux is dead, all the alpha nerds are on BSD, Haiku,
    or going full retro.

    I do not know if this is true, but Linux is going in a
    direction I do not like. Between this AI article, systemd,
    wayland and other things, seems BSD is going in a direction
    I like.

    But, were are the young people ? IMO, for home use, the young
    seems to be all about Smart Phones. It would be interesting
    to see an age breakdown between users of Linux and BSD.
    I would expect to see most of Linux/BSD home users are 40 and
    older.
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.misc on Sun Jul 19 23:30:48 2026
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    On Sun, 19 Jul 2026 16:45:55 -0000 (UTC), John McCue wrote:

    I do not know if this is true, but Linux is going in a direction I
    do not like.

    In what way?

    Between this AI article, systemd, wayland and other things, seems
    BSD is going in a direction I like.

    Becoming more fragmented?
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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@not@telling.you.invalid to comp.misc on Mon Jul 20 11:48:18 2026
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    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Jul 2026 16:45:55 -0000 (UTC), John McCue wrote:
    Between this AI article, systemd, wayland and other things, seems
    BSD is going in a direction I like.

    Becoming more fragmented?

    Certainly your critisisms of BSD's "fragmentation" keep on selling
    BSD to me.
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  • From Nuno Silva@nunojsilva@invalid.invalid to comp.misc on Mon Jul 20 08:03:01 2026
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    On 2026-07-20, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Jul 2026 16:45:55 -0000 (UTC), John McCue wrote:
    Between this AI article, systemd, wayland and other things, seems
    BSD is going in a direction I like.

    Becoming more fragmented?

    Certainly your critisisms of BSD's "fragmentation" keep on selling
    BSD to me.

    And just wait for the usual commentary on systemd or wayland... time to "killfile" the subthread, probably.
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    Nuno Silva
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  • From Rich@rich@example.invalid to comp.misc on Mon Jul 20 13:15:41 2026
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    Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 2026-07-20, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Jul 2026 16:45:55 -0000 (UTC), John McCue wrote:
    Between this AI article, systemd, wayland and other things, seems
    BSD is going in a direction I like.

    Becoming more fragmented?

    Certainly your critisisms of BSD's "fragmentation" keep on selling
    BSD to me.

    And just wait for the usual commentary on systemd or wayland... time to "killfile" the subthread, probably.

    Given that Lawrence is more often than not trolling, and is a huge
    systemd fanboi (on the level of how Apple fanboi's fawn over every
    mistake Apple makes as if it were manna from heaven) killfiling
    Lawrence provides a nicer reading experience.

    Granted, you still get to see his rants from under his bridge when
    someone else responds and quotes them.
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  • From D Finnigan@dog_cow@macgui.com to comp.misc on Mon Jul 20 14:54:10 2026
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    On 7/19/26 11:45 AM, John McCue wrote:

    But, were are the young people ? IMO, for home use, the young
    seems to be all about Smart Phones. It would be interesting
    to see an age breakdown between users of Linux and BSD.
    I would expect to see most of Linux/BSD home users are 40 and
    older.


    I'll bet there's a larger base of college students out there too.
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