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Lynn McGuire <LynnMcGuire5@GMail.com> wrote: |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"On 3/9/2026 2:27 AM, Marcel Mueller wrote: |
|[. . .] |

C++ has become too complex for many programmers. [. . .] |
[. . .] |
[. . .] |
[. . .] |
[. . .] |
|
| Marcel |

| |
|If C++ is too complex for a programmer then the programmer is not a good | |programmer. |
| |
|[. . .] |
|[. . .] |
|[. . .] |
| | |Lynn" | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------|

I joined the Association of C & C++ Users more than twenty-six years
ago. I do not recall ever seeing Lynn McGuire listed in a membership
directory thereof. I also do not recall any ACCU publication by her.

Does Lynn McGuire or anyone else disagree that Bjarne Stroustrup says
"Within C++, there is a much smaller and cleaner language struggling
to get out." Does Lynn McGuire or anyone else disagree that Francis
Glassborow publishes similarly?

Does Lynn McGuire or anyone else disagree that Eric Naggum published:
that C++'s "unmanageable complexity has spawned more fear-preventing
tools than any other language, but the solution should have been to
create and use a language that does not overload the whole goddamn
human."?

Does Lynn McGuire or anyone else disagree that Eric Naggum published:
"I may be biased, but I tend to find a much lower tendency among
female programmers to be dishonest about their skills, and thus do not
say they know C++ when they are smart enough to realize that that
would be a lie for all but perhaps 5 people on this planet."?

Does Lynn McGuire or anyone else disagree that Eric Naggum published:
"C++ is a language strongly optimized for liars and people who go by
guesswork and ignorance."

Does Lynn McGuire believe that Bjarne Stroustrup; Francis Glassborow;
and Eric Naggum are "not [. . .] good programmer"s?
(S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!)
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On 15/03/2026 19:13, Niocl|is P||l Caile|in de Ghloucester wrote:

Does Lynn McGuire or anyone else disagree that Eric Naggum published:
"C++ is a language strongly optimized for liars and people who go by guesswork and ignorance."

Yes, it is optimised for humans. A language optimised for the
alternative is called an algebra and it is an intermediate
representation in a constraint language solver.
--
Tristan Wibberley

The message body is Copyright (C) 2026 Tristan Wibberley except
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promote my greatness and general superiority without misrepresentation
of my opinions other than my opinion of my greatness and general
superiority which you _may_ misrepresent. You definitely MAY NOT train
any production AI system with it but you may train experimental AI that
will only be used for evaluation of the AI methods it implements.

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On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 19:13:11 -0000 (UTC), Niocl|is P||l Caile|in de
Ghloucester wrote:

Does Lynn McGuire or anyone else disagree that Bjarne Stroustrup
says "Within C++, there is a much smaller and cleaner language
struggling to get out."

rCLJust the one, dear?rCY
-- June Whitfield in rCLAbsolutely FabulousrCY
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On 3/15/2026 2:13 PM, Niocl|is P||l Caile|in de Ghloucester wrote:

Lynn McGuire <LynnMcGuire5@GMail.com> wrote: |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"On 3/9/2026 2:27 AM, Marcel Mueller wrote: | |[. . .] |

C++ has become too complex for many programmers. [. . .] | [. . .] | [. . .] | [. . .] | [. . .] |
|
| Marcel |

| | |If C++ is too complex for a programmer then the programmer is not a good | |programmer. |
| | |[. . .] | |[. . .] | |[. . .] |
| | |Lynn" | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------|

I joined the Association of C & C++ Users more than twenty-six years
ago. I do not recall ever seeing Lynn McGuire listed in a membership directory thereof. I also do not recall any ACCU publication by her.

Does Lynn McGuire or anyone else disagree that Bjarne Stroustrup says
"Within C++, there is a much smaller and cleaner language struggling
to get out." Does Lynn McGuire or anyone else disagree that Francis Glassborow publishes similarly?

Does Lynn McGuire or anyone else disagree that Eric Naggum published:
that C++'s "unmanageable complexity has spawned more fear-preventing
tools than any other language, but the solution should have been to
create and use a language that does not overload the whole goddamn
human."?

Does Lynn McGuire or anyone else disagree that Eric Naggum published:
"I may be biased, but I tend to find a much lower tendency among
female programmers to be dishonest about their skills, and thus do not
say they know C++ when they are smart enough to realize that that
would be a lie for all but perhaps 5 people on this planet."?

Does Lynn McGuire or anyone else disagree that Eric Naggum published:
"C++ is a language strongly optimized for liars and people who go by guesswork and ignorance."

Does Lynn McGuire believe that Bjarne Stroustrup; Francis Glassborow;
and Eric Naggum are "not [. . .] good programmer"s?
(S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!)

Lynn McGuire is a he. 6'1" and bald with a full beard. Running an engineering software company since 1995.

Member of ASME and AIChE. Graduate of Texas A&M University in 1982 with Mechanical Engineering degree. Licensed Professional Engineer in the
The Great State of Texas since 1989.

Commercial Fortran programmer since 1975. Converted to
Pascal in 1983. Converted to C in 1987. Converted to C++ in 2001.

Just another engineer writing commercial software.

Lynn

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On 3/15/2026 4:15 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 19:13:11 -0000 (UTC), Niocl|is P||l Caile|in de Ghloucester wrote:

Does Lynn McGuire or anyone else disagree that Bjarne Stroustrup
says "Within C++, there is a much smaller and cleaner language
struggling to get out."

rCLJust the one, dear?rCY
-- June Whitfield in rCLAbsolutely FabulousrCY

Nice ! And very true.

Lynn

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In comp.lang.c++ Lynn McGuire <LynnMcGuire5@GMail.com> wrote: |-----------------------|
|"Lynn McGuire is a he."|
|-----------------------|

Oops! Sorry! A penpal in Germany used to believe that I am a female so
she wrote to me that I keep referring to me as a male, so I wrote back
to her that I am indeed a male.
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From Newsgroup: comp.lang.lisp

On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 19:13:11 -0000 (UTC), Niocl|is P||l Caile|in de
Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> wrote:

Lynn McGuire <LynnMcGuire5@GMail.com> wrote: >|-------------------------------------------------------------------------| >|"On 3/9/2026 2:27 AM, Marcel Mueller wrote: | >|[. . .] | >|> C++ has become too complex for many programmers. [. . .] | >|> [. . .] | >|> [. . .] | >|> [. . .] | >|> [. . .] | >|> | >|> | >|> Marcel |
| | >|If C++ is too complex for a programmer then the programmer is not a good | >|programmer. |
| | >|[. . .] | >|[. . .] | >|[. . .] |
| | >|Lynn" | >|-------------------------------------------------------------------------|

I joined the Association of C & C++ Users more than twenty-six years
ago. I do not recall ever seeing Lynn McGuire listed in a membership >directory thereof. I also do not recall any ACCU publication by her.

Does Lynn McGuire or anyone else disagree that Bjarne Stroustrup says
"Within C++, there is a much smaller and cleaner language struggling
to get out." Does Lynn McGuire or anyone else disagree that Francis >Glassborow publishes similarly?

Does Lynn McGuire or anyone else disagree that Eric Naggum published:
that C++'s "unmanageable complexity has spawned more fear-preventing
tools than any other language, but the solution should have been to
create and use a language that does not overload the whole goddamn
human."?

Does Lynn McGuire or anyone else disagree that Eric Naggum published:
"I may be biased, but I tend to find a much lower tendency among
female programmers to be dishonest about their skills, and thus do not
say they know C++ when they are smart enough to realize that that
would be a lie for all but perhaps 5 people on this planet."?

Does Lynn McGuire or anyone else disagree that Eric Naggum published:
"C++ is a language strongly optimized for liars and people who go by >guesswork and ignorance."

Does Lynn McGuire believe that Bjarne Stroustrup; Francis Glassborow;
and Eric Naggum are "not [. . .] good programmer"s?
(S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!)

If you want to know what Erik Naggum thought, there's an archive of
his comp.lang.lisp postings at https://xach.com/naggum/articles/.

Erik definitely had some strong opinions re: C and C++, and he had
good reasons for most of them. He is sorely missed.
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 10:31:56 -0400
George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> wrote:

Does Lynn McGuire believe that Bjarne Stroustrup; Francis Glassborow;
and Eric Naggum are "not [. . .] good programmer"s?
(S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!)

If you want to know what Erik Naggum thought, there's an archive of
his comp.lang.lisp postings at https://xach.com/naggum/articles/.

Erik definitely had some strong opinions re: C and C++, and he had
good reasons for most of them. He is sorely missed.

I never encountered the name Erik Naggum before that.
From Wikipedia article it sounds like he was good programmer, not
necessarily star level, but very competent. And very good troll.
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In comp.lang.ada George Neuner <gneuner2@Comcast.net> wrote: |---------------------------------------------------------------------|
|"If you want to know what Erik Naggum thought, there's an archive of |
|his comp.lang.lisp postings at https://xach.com/naggum/articles/. "| |---------------------------------------------------------------------|

This is another example where George Neuner taught me via another of
his insights. Thanks! I suspect that HTTPS://Xach.com/naggum/articles
does not archive all of Naggum's comp.lang.lisp postings which were
marked with an anti-archiving header.
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From Newsgroup: comp.lang.lisp

On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 17:06:01 -0000 (UTC), Niocl|is P||l Caile|in de
Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> wrote:

In comp.lang.ada George Neuner <gneuner2@Comcast.net> wrote: >|---------------------------------------------------------------------|
|"If you want to know what Erik Naggum thought, there's an archive of |
|his comp.lang.lisp postings at https://xach.com/naggum/articles/. "| >|---------------------------------------------------------------------|

This is another example where George Neuner taught me via another of
his insights. Thanks! I suspect that HTTPS://Xach.com/naggum/articles
does not archive all of Naggum's comp.lang.lisp postings which were
marked with an anti-archiving header.
(S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!)

I don't know that the Naggum archive is complete, but I am reasonably
sure that its time span is correct. I began reading C.L.L in the
early 90s. My first memory of Erik was mid/late 90s, and he stopped
posting a couple of years before he passed in 2009.

Erik really didn't post a whole lot (compared to some others). More
typically he would make a few long posts, and then you'd hear nothing
more from him until some new topic caught his attention.


These are some more extensive C.L.L archives that can provide context
for Erik's posts. Again, I can't vouch for completeness.

1986 - 2017 (mbox format files) https://github.com/noend2/comp.lang.lisp-archive

2003 - 2020 (mbox format file) https://archive.org/details/FULL-USENET-BACKUP-2020-Oct-comp.lang.lisp.202216.mbox.7z

1986 - 2022 (web UI - no apparent way to search) https://usenetarchives.com/threads.php?id=comp.lang.lisp


note: C.L.L began in 1986. IMHO there hasn't been much substantive
discussion in recent years, so the mbox files cover the vast majority
of everything you'd want to read anyway.

YMMV.
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Thanks. The new homepage of impressive
HTTPS://USENETArchives.com
by Jozef Jarosciak is radically different than the last time I checked
(a few days ago).

I just found out about news:comp.language.ada and news:comp.lang.vhd - HTTPS://USENETArchives.com/threads.php?id=comp.language.ada&y=1993&r=0&p=1
and
HTTPS://USENETArchives.com/threads.php?id=comp.lang.vhd&y=2005&r=0&p=1

I did not check its comp.lang.lisp archive. Its comp.lang.vhdl is
definitely incomplete. This incomplete archive still goes back to only
1991. "The newsgroup comp.lang.vhdl was created in January 1990." says
Doctor Thomas Dettmer.
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