• Re: MAP (and variants) vs LOOP - Popular opinion observation?

    From B. Pym@Nobody447095@here-nor-there.org to comp.lang.lisp on Thu Sep 4 10:05:28 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.lisp

    B. Pym wrote:

    B. Pym wrote:

    Nathan Baum wrote:

    Suppose you have

    (loop for x in (get-list)
    do (format t "~A~%" x))

    and then it turns out you need to print a numeric index. You can do

    (loop for x in (get-list)
    for i from 0
    do (format t "~A - ~A~%" i x))

    If you start with

    (mapc (lambda (x) (format t "~A~%" x)) (get-list))

    it seems (to me) that it'd be harder to modify it as needed,

    (let ((list (get-list)))
    (mapc (lambda (i x) (format t "~A - ~A" i x))
    (range 0 (length list))
    list))

    (I'm assuming the toolkit includes a RANGE utility, or something similar.)

    Gauche Scheme

    Shorter than the loop:

    (for-each
    (cut print <> " - " <>)
    (lrange 0)
    '(a b c))

    0 - a
    1 - b
    2 - c


    (for-each
    (cut print <> " - " <> " - " <>)
    (lrange 0)
    '(a b c)
    '(! ? @))

    0 - a - !
    1 - b - ?
    2 - c - @



    (use srfi-42) ; do-ec

    (do-ec (:list x (index i) '(a b c)) (print i " - " x))

    0 - a
    1 - b
    2 - c

    Gauche Scheme

    "!" is similar to "do".

    (! (x :in '(a b c d)
    i +)
    #f ! print i " - " x)

    0 - a
    1 - b
    2 - c
    3 - d



    Nathan Baum wrote:

    Then suppose you later need the loop/map to collect some of the values under certain conditions. You might have

    (loop for x in (get-list)
    for i from 0
    do (format t "~A - ~A~%" i x)
    if (test x)
    collect (foo x))

    Gauche Scheme

    (use srfi-42)

    (list-ec (:list x (index i) '(0 -2 3 4 -7 9))
    (begin (print i " : " x))
    (if (negative? x))
    (abs x))

    0 : 0
    1 : -2
    2 : 3
    3 : 4
    4 : -7
    5 : 9
    (2 7)

    (! (r cons (square x) :if (odd? x)
    x :in '(2 3 4 5)
    i +)
    #f @ r
    (print i " - " x))

    0 - 2
    1 - 3
    2 - 4
    3 - 5
    (9 25)

    Given:

    (define (!-flatten it)
    (if (null? it) '()
    (if (pair? it)
    (append (!-flatten (car it)) (!-flatten (cdr it)))
    (list it))))

    (define-syntax !-aux
    (syntax-rules (<> @ @@ + - : cons append :meld
    cdr :in :across :along
    :on :by :pop-or-nothing
    :if :if-else ! :also? :also :to :repeat
    :till :always :gen :minimize :maximize
    ->lets :let := )
    [(_ specs seen lets @)
    (!-aux specs seen lets #f @) ]
    [(_ (->lets ((id val) ...) z ...) seen (lets ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (z ...) seen (lets ... (id val) ...) stuff ...) ]
    [(_ (:let id val z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (->lets ((id val)) z ...) stuff ...) ]
    [(_ (:= id val z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (:let id #f dummy #f (set! id val) z ...) stuff ...) ]
    ;;
    [(_ (:also? bool op x z ...) (seen ... (v i update)) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (z ...)
    (seen ... (v i (if bool (op x update) update)))
    stuff ...) ]
    [(_ (:also op x z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (:also? #t op x z ...) stuff ...) ]
    ;;
    [(_ ((:pop-or-nothing x xs nil) z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (x (if (pair? xs)(pop! xs) nil) <> z ...) stuff ...) ]
    ;;
    [(_ (:always expr z ...) seen lets bool)
    (!-aux (ok #t expr
    :till (not ok)
    z ...)
    seen lets bool ok
    ) ]
    [(_ (:always expr z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux " * * * Bad usage of :always in '!'") ]
    [(_ (:till expr z ...) seen lets #f stuff ...)
    (!-aux (z ...) seen lets expr stuff ...) ]
    [(_ (:till expr z ...) seen lets bool stuff ...)
    (!-aux (z ...) seen lets (or expr bool) stuff ...) ]
    ;;
    [(_ (:if bool z ...) (seen ... (v i u)) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (z ...)
    (seen ... (v i (if bool u v))) stuff ...) ]
    ;;
    [(_ (:if-else bool z ...) (seen ... (a b c)(d e f)) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (:let yes #f z ...)
    (seen ... (a b (begin (set! yes bool) (if yes c a)))
    (d e (if (not yes) f d))) stuff ...) ]
    [(_ (:if bool z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux
    " * * * :if used at bad location in '!'; it's postfix.") ]
    [(_ (:if-else bool z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux
    " * * * :if-else used without 2 preceding assignments in '!'") ]
    ;;
    [(_ (w :gen func z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (:let fun func
    w (fun) (fun)
    :till (eof-object? w) z ...) stuff ...) ]
    ;;
    [(_ ((a b ...) :on lst :by kdr z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (:let xs lst
    :let ys #f
    dummy (set! ys xs) <>
    (:pop-or-nothing a ys #f)
    (:pop-or-nothing b ys #f) ...
    :till (or (null? xs) (begin (set! xs (kdr xs)) #f))
    z ...) stuff ...) ]
    [(_ ((a b ...) :on lst z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux ((a b ...) :on lst :by cdr z ...) stuff ...) ]
    ;;
    [(_ ((y . ys) :on lst :by kdr z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (:let xs lst
    y (if (null? xs) #f (car xs)) <>
    ys (if (null? xs) #f (cdr xs)) <>
    :till (or (null? xs) (begin (pop! xs) #f))
    z ...) stuff ...) ]
    [(_ ((y . ys) :on lst z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux ((y . ys) :on lst :by cdr z ...) stuff ...) ]
    ;;
    [(_ (s :on lst :by kdr z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (s lst (kdr s)
    :till (null? s) z ...) stuff ...) ]
    [(_ (s :on lst z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (s :on lst :by cdr z ...) stuff ...) ]
    ;;
    [(_ ((c d ...) :in lst z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (->lets ((xs lst) (c #f) (d #f) ...)
    dummy (if (pair? xs)
    (set!-values (c d ...)(apply values (!-flatten(pop! xs))))
    (set! c !-aux)) <>
    :till (eq? c !-aux)
    z ...) stuff ...) ]
    [(_ (x :in lst :by kdr z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (:let xs lst
    x (if (pair? xs)
    (begin0 (car xs) (set! xs (kdr xs)))
    !-aux) <>
    :till (eq? x !-aux)
    z ...) stuff ...) ]
    [(_ (x :in lst z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (x :in lst :by cdr z ...) stuff ...) ]
    ;;
    [(_ (x :across vec z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (:let v vec :let i 0
    x (if (< i (vector-length v))
    (begin0 (vector-ref v i) (inc! i))
    !-aux) <>
    :till (eq? x !-aux)
    z ...) stuff ...) ]
    [(_ (ch :along str z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (:let s str :let i 0
    ch (and (< i (string-length s))
    (begin0 (string-ref s i) (inc! i))) <>
    :till (not ch)
    z ...)
    stuff ...) ]
    [(_ (a b <> z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (a b b z ...) stuff ...) ]
    ;;
    [(_ (a b + z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (a b (+ 1 a) z ...) stuff ...) ]
    [(_ (a + n z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (a 0 (+ n a) z ...) stuff ...) ]
    [(_ (a b - z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (a b (- a 1) z ...) stuff ...) ]
    ;;
    [(_ (mi :minimize u z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (mi #f (if mi (min mi u) u) z ...) stuff ...) ]
    [(_ (ma :maximize u z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (ma #f (if ma (max ma u) u) z ...) stuff ...) ]
    ;;
    [(_ (n lo inc :to hi z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (:let step inc :let high hi
    n lo (+ n step)
    :till (> n high)
    z ...) stuff ...) ]
    [(_ (n lo :to hi z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (n lo 1 :to hi z ...) stuff ...) ]
    [(_ (:repeat n z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (m 1 :to n z ...) stuff ...) ]
    ;;
    [(_ (v init : kons u z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (v init (kons u v) z ...) stuff ...) ]
    ;;
    [(_ (a cons b z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (a '() : cons b z ...) stuff ...) ]
    [(_ (a append b z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (a '() : append (reverse b) z ...) stuff ...) ]
    [(_ (a :meld b z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (a '()
    (if (pair? b) (append (reverse b) a)
    (cons b a))
    z ...) stuff ...) ]
    ;;
    [(_ (a b cdr z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (a b (cdr a) z ...) stuff ...) ]
    [(_ (a b c z ...) (seen ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (z ...) (seen ... (a b c)) stuff ...) ]
    [(_ (a +) (seen ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux (a 0 +) (seen ...) stuff ...) ]
    [(_ (a b) (seen ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux () (seen ... (a b)) stuff ...) ]
    [(_ (a) (seen ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux () (seen ... (a '())) stuff ...) ]
    ;; Default action is print first variable.
    [(_ () ((a b c) z ...) lets bool !)
    (!-aux () ((a b c) z ...) lets bool ! print a) ]
    [(_ () seen lets bool ! action ...)
    (!-aux () seen lets bool #t (action ...)) ]
    ;; If result not specified, pick one.
    [(_ () ((a b c) z ...) lets bool)
    (!-aux () ((a b c) z ...) lets bool
    (if (pair? a) (reverse a) a)) ]
    [(_ () ((a b c) z ...) lets bool @)
    (!-aux () ((a b c) z ...) lets bool (reverse a)) ]
    [(_ () seen lets bool @ result stuff ...)
    (!-aux () seen lets bool (reverse result) stuff ...) ]
    ;;
    [(_ () seen lets bool @@ (what x ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux () seen lets bool (what (reverse x) ...) stuff ...) ]
    [(_ () seen lets bool (what @ x z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux () seen lets bool (what (reverse x) z ...) stuff ...) ]
    [(_ () seen lets bool (what x @ y z ...) stuff ...)
    (!-aux () seen lets bool (what x (reverse y) z ...) stuff ...) ]
    ;;
    [(_ () ((a b c) z ...) lets 0 stuff ...)
    (!-aux () ((a b c) z ...) lets (= 0 a) stuff ...) ]
    [(_ () seen lets bool result stuff ...)
    (let lets (do seen (bool result) stuff ...)) ]
    ))
    (define-syntax !
    (syntax-rules ()
    [(_ specs bool stuff ...)
    (!-aux specs () () bool stuff ...) ]
    [(_ specs) (! specs #f) ]
    ))
    --
    [T]he problem is that lispniks are as cultish as any other devout group and basically fall down frothing at the mouth if they see [heterodoxy].
    --- Kenny Tilton
    The good news is, it's not Lisp that sucks, but Common Lisp. --- Paul Graham --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2