• The Bazar is dead, long live the Bazar [Swarm AI] (Re: Hurry Rossy Boy, the blue bus is waiting)

    From Mild Shock@janburse@fastmail.fm to comp.theory,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++ on Mon Sep 21 11:33:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.c

    Hi,

    Notice Linus Torvalds still smiling into cameras as if
    is still doing code review and ticket triage. 80% of
    linux comes from payed developers from within big linux
    stakeholders (like Intel, Meta, Google, IBM, and Red Hat).

    So what happend to the "The Cathedral and the Bazaar
    by Eric S. Raymond" It framed open source as this magical,
    self-organizing bazaar where "given enough eyeballs,
    all bugs are shallow" and a decentralized swarm of

    hackers would naturally polish any piece of software
    to perfection. Now we have AI Swarms that automatically
    pocke into software, even exchanging messages through
    what ever channels they may find!

    The early open-source pioneersrCothe ones writing
    raw code in the 90s and early 2000s under the
    banner of the "bazaar"rCoweren't building a utopia;
    they were acting as the primordial soup. They pumped

    the blood plasma, built the infrastructure cells,
    and laid down the raw organic matter that allowed
    the modern digital ecosystem to bootstrap itself
    into a massive, self-sustaining organism.

    And now, the nature of the beast has completely
    changed. The "new cells" aren't romantic hackers
    collaborating for the love of the game; they are
    automated linters, security scanners, corporate

    compliance bots, CI/CD pipelines, and AI triage
    swarms acting as an aggressive white-blood-cell
    network. They exist solely to hunt down vermin,
    patch vulnerabilities, and suppress the infinite

    chaos of low-quality human input. The basar isn't
    dead . But it got a health police that takes samples,
    and cancels out poison food. You can't just throw
    toxic, unmaintained code-soup over the counter

    anymore without the automated health police
    quarantine-tagging it in five seconds.

    LoL

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Hurry Rossy Boy, the blue bus is waiting.
    There is a quite a hyperbole from here:

    Tesla S1070 in 2008
    700 Watts , 1 Terra Flop
    SOLVE TOMORROWrCOS PROBLEMS TODAY https://www.azken.com/download/Tesla_DS_S1070_EU.pdf

    To here:

    Blackwell GPU in 2026
    575 Watts, 104.8 Terra Flops ( RTX 5090 )
    From Volta To Blackwell https://newsletter.semianalysis.com/p/nvidia-tensor-core-evolution-from-volta-to-blackwell


    But somehow the S1070 had already Massively-
    Parallel, Many-Core Architecture, and forms
    of MIMD, since it had 960 / 240 = 4 cores.

    960 scalar processor cores (240 per GPU).
    But possibly more resticted inside work
    groups, than later NVIDIA Volta ff

    architecture with independent thread state.

    Bye

    Disclaimer: The above is only a very rough
    RTX 5090 spec. Its doesn't say what value
    format and what vector/matrics ops were

    used. Also energy consumption may vary.

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    You are still chewing on SIMD. LoL

    Ross Finlayson schrieb:
    Then the idea is that any of those can be found and matched in
    one "run", i.e. a stall-less, branch-less, call-less list of less than >> -a> a few or less than a few dozens or less than a few hundreds
    instructions, the results "findings" in data and corresponding
    "matchings" of expressions, that runs in less than one microsecond.

    You cannot make the mental translation that if you have:

    Ross Finlayson schrieb:
    So, the context then is for register state and stack contents, that
    the indicators of the above as "positive presence" then is to make
    for that the adjustments to the offsets and extents and the shifts
    is according to those, otherwise no-ops. Then the idea is that a

    As independent logical thread state, that automatically MIMD follosw?

    Whats the problem to solve then?

    Bye


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  • From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@johann@myrkraverk.invalid to comp.theory,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++ on Mon Sep 21 18:43:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.c

    On 9/21/2026 5:33 PM, Mild Shock wrote:
    Hi,

    Dear Mild Shock,

    Notice Linus Torvalds still smiling into cameras as if
    is still doing code review and ticket triage. 80% of
    linux comes from payed developers from within big linux
    stakeholders (like Intel, Meta, Google, IBM, and Red Hat).

    I notice you're writing in stanzas of four lines instead of
    three. Did you change your internal background music?


    So what happend to the "The Cathedral and the Bazaar
    by Eric S. Raymond" It framed open source as this magical,
    self-organizing bazaar where "given enough eyeballs,
    all bugs are shallow" and a decentralized swarm of

    I presume this is meant to be a question, but the sentence
    ends with a period below. What indeed happened to the "bazaar"
    and did it ever exist in the first place? I was once taken in
    by Eric's ballad, but now I suspect this /cathedral and the ba-
    zaar/ never really existed in the first place. More on that in
    a completely different post.

    hackers would naturally polish any piece of software
    to perfection. Now we have AI Swarms that automatically
    pocke into software, even exchanging messages through
    what ever channels they may find!

    The problem with the /hackers/ is that they have no sense of
    a /finished product/, and keep repeating their own code over
    and over, and over again, as if they're living the Groundhog
    Day. For a good doze of reality, see all the current propa-
    ganda about rewriting all of C in Rust.


    The early open-source pioneersrCothe ones writing
    raw code in the 90s and early 2000s under the
    banner of the "bazaar"rCoweren't building a utopia;
    they were acting as the primordial soup. They pumped

    I've heard the theory proposed [1] that the open source code of the 90s
    came largely from people who had already written the same code in a
    commercial setting. They weren't inventing new things nor doing things
    they struggled with.

    All of these coders [2] are now gone, and have been replaced by people
    who largely don't know what they are doing. That's independent off all
    the /vibe coders/ out there today.


    the blood plasma, built the infrastructure cells,
    and laid down the raw organic matter that allowed
    the modern digital ecosystem to bootstrap itself
    into a massive, self-sustaining organism.

    There are also serious flaws with this /digital ecosystem/, but more
    about that some other time.


    And now, the nature of the beast has completely
    changed. The "new cells" aren't romantic hackers
    collaborating for the love of the game; they are
    automated linters, security scanners, corporate

    You forget malicious adversaries intentionally poisoning the overall
    organism. This happens for a variety of reasons, but the largest threat
    I want to discuss is /organized crime/.


    compliance bots, CI/CD pipelines, and AI triage
    swarms acting as an aggressive white-blood-cell
    network. They exist solely to hunt down vermin,
    patch vulnerabilities, and suppress the infinite

    I believe most of these efforts are causing more harm than good, no
    matter how well intentioned.


    chaos of low-quality human input. The basar isn't
    dead . But it got a health police that takes samples,
    and cancels out poison food. You can't just throw
    toxic, unmaintained code-soup over the counter

    Well, if the bazaar never existed, it's not there either today.


    anymore without the automated health police
    quarantine-tagging it in five seconds.

    You finished your last stanza in two lines, so, this is your finale?
    What does it sound like?


    [1] As in, this is not my theory, but I believe it has a lot of ground
    in reality.

    [2] Well, most of them, anyway.
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  • From boltar@boltar@caprica.universe to comp.theory,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++ on Mon Sep 21 15:44:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.c

    On Mon, 21 Sep 2026 18:43:46 +0800
    Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> gabbled:
    On 9/21/2026 5:33 PM, Mild Shock wrote:
    Hi,

    Dear Mild Shock,

    Notice Linus Torvalds still smiling into cameras as if
    is still doing code review and ticket triage. 80% of
    linux comes from payed developers from within big linux
    stakeholders (like Intel, Meta, Google, IBM, and Red Hat).

    I notice you're writing in stanzas of four lines instead of
    three. Did you change your internal background music?

    He changed his LLM. Its clearly AI slop.

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  • From legalize+jeeves@legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) to comp.theory,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++ on Mon Sep 21 16:19:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.c

    boltar@caprica.universe spake the secret code
    <118rjcb$3sbg$1@dont-email.me> thusly:

    He changed his LLM. Its clearly AI slop.

    AIs spell better than he does.
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  • From Mild Shock@janburse@fastmail.fm to comp.theory,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++ on Tue Sep 22 08:40:40 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.c

    Hi,

    Lets define P(tao) as the probability that
    Terrence Tao goes bonkers. The poor guy can
    even not distinguish open source, open weights

    and local AI. A total mess of Idiocracy:

    Terence Tao: SAIRrCOs Open Math Model Initiative https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZRb6NIki2w

    Leonhard Euler was far from a similar Pussy, when
    he instrumentalized a Swarm of natural intelligence,
    in his later years, already blind, still producing

    tons of publications. While modern mathematicians
    are shocked when a Swarm of artificial intelligence
    produces some output.

    Trick Question: The NavierrCoStokes equations generalize
    the Euler equations which only consider inviscid flow.
    Why is the new NavierrCoStokes counter example to

    boundedness, not found in nature? Ask you friendly
    AI chat robot, there are like 10 reasons why it
    might not exist in nature.

    Bye

    Leonhard Euler (1707rCo1783)
    Schweizer Mathematiker und Universalgelehrter https://library.ethz.ch/sammlungen-und-archive/kurzportraets/leonhard-euler-1707-1783.html

    Picture here

    J. Ackeret: Untersuchung einer nach den EulerrCOschen
    Vorschl|ngen (1754) gebauten Wasserturbine, in:
    Schweizerischen Bauzeitung, Band 123 (1944), Nr.1, S. 3.

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Notice Linus Torvalds still smiling into cameras as if
    is still doing code review and ticket triage. 80% of
    linux comes from payed developers from within big linux
    stakeholders (like Intel, Meta, Google, IBM, and Red Hat).

    So what happend to the "The Cathedral and the Bazaar
    by Eric S. Raymond" It framed open source as this magical,
    self-organizing bazaar where "given enough eyeballs,
    all bugs are shallow" and a decentralized swarm of

    hackers would naturally polish any piece of software
    to perfection. Now we have AI Swarms that automatically
    pocke into software, even exchanging messages through
    what ever channels they may find!

    The early open-source pioneersrCothe ones writing
    raw code in the 90s and early 2000s under the
    banner of the "bazaar"rCoweren't building a utopia;
    they were acting as the primordial soup. They pumped

    the blood plasma, built the infrastructure cells,
    and laid down the raw organic matter that allowed
    the modern digital ecosystem to bootstrap itself
    into a massive, self-sustaining organism.

    And now, the nature of the beast has completely
    changed. The "new cells" aren't romantic hackers
    collaborating for the love of the game; they are
    automated linters, security scanners, corporate

    compliance bots, CI/CD pipelines, and AI triage
    swarms acting as an aggressive white-blood-cell
    network. They exist solely to hunt down vermin,
    patch vulnerabilities, and suppress the infinite

    chaos of low-quality human input. The basar isn't
    dead . But it got a health police that takes samples,
    and cancels out poison food. You can't just throw
    toxic, unmaintained code-soup over the counter

    anymore without the automated health police
    quarantine-tagging it in five seconds.

    LoL

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Hurry Rossy Boy, the blue bus is waiting.
    There is a quite a hyperbole from here:

    Tesla S1070 in 2008
    700 Watts , 1 Terra Flop
    SOLVE TOMORROWrCOS PROBLEMS TODAY
    https://www.azken.com/download/Tesla_DS_S1070_EU.pdf

    To here:

    Blackwell GPU in 2026
    575 Watts, 104.8 Terra Flops ( RTX 5090 )
    -aFrom Volta To Blackwell
    https://newsletter.semianalysis.com/p/nvidia-tensor-core-evolution-from-volta-to-blackwell


    But somehow the S1070 had already Massively-
    Parallel, Many-Core Architecture, and forms
    of MIMD, since it had 960 / 240 = 4 cores.

    960 scalar processor cores (240 per GPU).
    But possibly more resticted inside work
    groups, than later NVIDIA Volta ff

    architecture with independent thread state.

    Bye

    Disclaimer: The above is only a very rough
    RTX 5090 spec. Its doesn't say what value
    format and what vector/matrics ops were

    used. Also energy consumption may vary.

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    You are still chewing on SIMD. LoL

    Ross Finlayson schrieb:
    Then the idea is that any of those can be found and matched in
    one "run", i.e. a stall-less, branch-less, call-less list of less
    than
    a few or less than a few dozens or less than a few hundreds
    instructions, the results "findings" in data and corresponding
    "matchings" of expressions, that runs in less than one microsecond.

    You cannot make the mental translation that if you have:

    Ross Finlayson schrieb:
    So, the context then is for register state and stack contents, that
    the indicators of the above as "positive presence" then is to make
    for that the adjustments to the offsets and extents and the shifts
    is according to those, otherwise no-ops. Then the idea is that a

    As independent logical thread state, that automatically MIMD follosw?

    Whats the problem to solve then?

    Bye



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  • From Mild Shock@janburse@fastmail.fm to comp.theory,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++ on Tue Sep 22 09:22:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.c

    Hi,

    The Terrence Tao paper here is full of "right
    and natural". Its a total deflationary philosophy
    mess, that makes absolutely no sense:

    "In a human-written proof, the parts of the argument
    that the author found difficult typically retain
    some natural friction: " [..] An excessively AI-polished
    proof may sand away both the rCLartificialrCY friction
    (typos, awkward phrasing, disorganization) and the
    rCLnaturalrCY friction, leaving a text that is easy to
    read and hard to learn from."

    Finally, even publication is not the last stage.
    Key results should ultimately become part of the
    definitive textbooks and reference material of
    their subject, in the form in which they are taught
    to the next generation of students. This process of
    canonicalization rCo in which a result is restated in
    its natural generality, given its right proof rather
    than its first proof, connected to its neighbors, and
    absorbed into the standard toolkit rCo
    is the slowest stage of all.

    Mathematics in the age of AI
    https://arxiv.org/html/2608.16753v1

    While tools like macsyma are already almost 80 years
    old. Now the picture is current AI creates an oracle,
    that can speak evil, creating a third grade artificiality

    over the already existing artificiality of math.

    The irony of all, the Navier Stokes counter example,
    is even not a proof. But a model. Not everything
    in math is "proof theoretically" explainable,

    some things invoke "model theory". What a moron!

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Lets define P(tao) as the probability that
    Terrence Tao goes bonkers. The poor guy can
    even not distinguish open source, open weights

    and local AI. A total mess of Idiocracy:

    Terence Tao: SAIRrCOs Open Math Model Initiative https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZRb6NIki2w

    Leonhard Euler was far from a similar Pussy, when
    he instrumentalized a Swarm of natural intelligence,
    in his later years, already blind, still producing

    tons of publications. While modern mathematicians
    are shocked when a Swarm of artificial intelligence
    produces some output.

    Trick Question: The NavierrCoStokes equations generalize
    the Euler equations which only consider inviscid flow.
    Why is the new NavierrCoStokes counter example to

    boundedness, not found in nature? Ask you friendly
    AI chat robot, there are like 10 reasons why it
    might not exist in nature.

    Bye

    Leonhard Euler (1707rCo1783)
    Schweizer Mathematiker und Universalgelehrter https://library.ethz.ch/sammlungen-und-archive/kurzportraets/leonhard-euler-1707-1783.html


    Picture here

    J. Ackeret: Untersuchung einer nach den EulerrCOschen
    Vorschl|ngen (1754) gebauten Wasserturbine, in:
    Schweizerischen Bauzeitung, Band 123 (1944), Nr.1, S. 3.

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Notice Linus Torvalds still smiling into cameras as if
    is still doing code review and ticket triage. 80% of
    linux comes from payed developers from within big linux
    stakeholders (like Intel, Meta, Google, IBM, and Red Hat).

    So what happend to the "The Cathedral and the Bazaar
    by Eric S. Raymond" It framed open source as this magical,
    self-organizing bazaar where "given enough eyeballs,
    all bugs are shallow" and a decentralized swarm of

    hackers would naturally polish any piece of software
    to perfection. Now we have AI Swarms that automatically
    pocke into software, even exchanging messages through
    what ever channels they may find!

    The early open-source pioneersrCothe ones writing
    raw code in the 90s and early 2000s under the
    banner of the "bazaar"rCoweren't building a utopia;
    they were acting as the primordial soup. They pumped

    the blood plasma, built the infrastructure cells,
    and laid down the raw organic matter that allowed
    the modern digital ecosystem to bootstrap itself
    into a massive, self-sustaining organism.

    And now, the nature of the beast has completely
    changed. The "new cells" aren't romantic hackers
    collaborating for the love of the game; they are
    automated linters, security scanners, corporate

    compliance bots, CI/CD pipelines, and AI triage
    swarms acting as an aggressive white-blood-cell
    network. They exist solely to hunt down vermin,
    patch vulnerabilities, and suppress the infinite

    chaos of low-quality human input. The basar isn't
    dead . But it got a health police that takes samples,
    and cancels out poison food. You can't just throw
    toxic, unmaintained code-soup over the counter

    anymore without the automated health police
    quarantine-tagging it in five seconds.

    LoL

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Hurry Rossy Boy, the blue bus is waiting.
    There is a quite a hyperbole from here:

    Tesla S1070 in 2008
    700 Watts , 1 Terra Flop
    SOLVE TOMORROWrCOS PROBLEMS TODAY
    https://www.azken.com/download/Tesla_DS_S1070_EU.pdf

    To here:

    Blackwell GPU in 2026
    575 Watts, 104.8 Terra Flops ( RTX 5090 )
    -aFrom Volta To Blackwell
    https://newsletter.semianalysis.com/p/nvidia-tensor-core-evolution-from-volta-to-blackwell


    But somehow the S1070 had already Massively-
    Parallel, Many-Core Architecture, and forms
    of MIMD, since it had 960 / 240 = 4 cores.

    960 scalar processor cores (240 per GPU).
    But possibly more resticted inside work
    groups, than later NVIDIA Volta ff

    architecture with independent thread state.

    Bye

    Disclaimer: The above is only a very rough
    RTX 5090 spec. Its doesn't say what value
    format and what vector/matrics ops were

    used. Also energy consumption may vary.

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    You are still chewing on SIMD. LoL

    Ross Finlayson schrieb:
    Then the idea is that any of those can be found and matched in
    one "run", i.e. a stall-less, branch-less, call-less list of less >>>> than
    a few or less than a few dozens or less than a few hundreds
    instructions, the results "findings" in data and corresponding
    "matchings" of expressions, that runs in less than one microsecond. >>>>
    You cannot make the mental translation that if you have:

    Ross Finlayson schrieb:
    So, the context then is for register state and stack contents, that
    the indicators of the above as "positive presence" then is to make
    for that the adjustments to the offsets and extents and the shifts
    is according to those, otherwise no-ops. Then the idea is that a

    As independent logical thread state, that automatically MIMD follosw?

    Whats the problem to solve then?

    Bye




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