• PSA: idiotbox is back

    From Daniel@me@sc1f1dan.com to comp.infosystems.gopher on Sat May 16 14:54:56 2026
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    I did some emailing and reached out to the dev who created idiotbox. It
    took some investigation but it turns out that youtube reformatted the
    json output of the site and search queries. After a few days of coding
    it's back to working again.

    Youtube well everyone.

    gopher://codemadness.org/7/idiotbox.cgi

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  • From Anthk GM@anthk@disroot.org to comp.infosystems.gopher on Sat May 23 08:20:48 2026
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    On 2026-05-16, Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:
    I did some emailing and reached out to the dev who created idiotbox. It
    took some investigation but it turns out that youtube reformatted the
    json output of the site and search queries. After a few days of coding
    it's back to working again.

    Youtube well everyone.

    gopher://codemadness.org/7/idiotbox.cgi

    --
    Daniel
    sysop | air & wave bbs
    finger | info@bbs.airandwave.net

    Good, but what we need it's a JS-less program
    to get YT videos. YT-dlp's interp program
    it's turing complete and I could write
    a SUBLEQ interpreter with it.
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  • From IanJ@SPAMian_jones_01@yahoo.co.uk.invalid to comp.infosystems.gopher on Sat May 23 11:42:17 2026
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    Anthk GM <anthk@disroot.org> wrote:
    Good, but what we need it's a JS-less program
    to get YT videos. YT-dlp's interp program
    it's turing complete and I could write
    a SUBLEQ interpreter with it.

    Good luck with that, youtube/google are not going to make it easy
    for you to take content without watching adverts, which is how both
    they and content creators earn money.

    For now, a combination of idiotbox, to search for videos, and mpv+yt-dlp,
    to watch them, is saving me going anywhere near the youtube website and
    having to view almost as much advert as content.

    The authors of both are fighting a constant arms race to work around
    the continuous changes in order to keep them working.

    All power and gratitude to them!
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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@not@telling.you.invalid to comp.infosystems.gopher on Sat May 23 22:59:00 2026
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    Anthk GM <anthk@disroot.org> wrote:
    Good, but what we need it's a JS-less program
    to get YT videos.

    What we need is to have most people upload videos to platforms that
    don't try to block file downloads.
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  • From IanJ@SPAMian_jones_01@yahoo.co.uk.invalid to comp.infosystems.gopher on Sat May 23 14:13:27 2026
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    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
    What we need is to have most people upload videos to platforms that
    don't try to block file downloads.


    Majority of content creators do it because they get paid through
    the advertising. If you make videos freely downloadable then the
    source of income is gone and so is the motivation to make content,
    for many.

    The ones who aren't motivated by money are likely already on platforms
    like peertube.tv
    There's not a great deal of content to choose from by comparison...

    Anyone know of any alternatives?
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  • From none@none@none.rip to comp.infosystems.gopher on Sat May 23 16:39:44 2026
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    On 23/05/2026 4:13 PM, IanJ wrote:

    Anyone know of any alternatives?


    xhamster, xvideos and pornhub
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  • From not@not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) to comp.infosystems.gopher on Sun May 24 09:36:15 2026
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    none <none@none.rip> wrote:
    On 23/05/2026 4:13 PM, IanJ wrote:
    Anyone know of any alternatives?

    xhamster, xvideos and pornhub

    I have my doubts porn sites would be any more willing to let you
    download videos to file than YouTube.

    Wikipedia lists non-porn video hosts with a "Video downloadable"
    column.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_hosting_services

    When I wanted a video host I chose Vimeo because it gave me the
    option to allow downloads. I don't remember the last time a video I
    wanted to watch was on there though. If anything it might be losing
    ground to YouTube. Like NNTP and Gopher, most people on the
    internet don't care about downloading videos to file, and they're
    the same ones choosing where to upload them. At least a few popular
    YouTube videos ones get archived at the Internet Archive.
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  • From none@none@none.rip to comp.infosystems.gopher on Sun May 24 05:29:02 2026
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    On 24/05/2026 1:36 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    none <none@none.rip> wrote:
    On 23/05/2026 4:13 PM, IanJ wrote:
    Anyone know of any alternatives?

    xhamster, xvideos and pornhub

    I have my doubts porn sites would be any more willing to let you
    download videos to file than YouTube.

    Wikipedia lists non-porn video hosts with a "Video downloadable"
    column.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_hosting_services

    When I wanted a video host I chose Vimeo because it gave me the
    option to allow downloads. I don't remember the last time a video I
    wanted to watch was on there though. If anything it might be losing
    ground to YouTube. Like NNTP and Gopher, most people on the
    internet don't care about downloading videos to file, and they're
    the same ones choosing where to upload them. At least a few popular
    YouTube videos ones get archived at the Internet Archive.


    I was mentioning those website simple because they are more useful than youtube. There is nothing on youtube that is worth. Zero value. It's
    just addiction to watch nonsense and get excited about some junk to buy.
    You wake up and all is good. Then you watch youtube and somehow you want upgrade your "gear", get camera, computer, app or live like a monk in
    Japan. Fabricated bullshit creating suffering.

    And to watch that shit even more complicated way over some extra tool, download and whatanot is complete idiotic way to do that.
    But the name idiotbox tells everything.
    I have spoken.
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  • From yeti@yeti@tilde.institute to comp.infosystems.gopher on Sun May 24 07:40:12 2026
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    none <none@none.rip> wrote:

    I was mentioning those website simple because they are more useful
    than youtube.

    Are they?

    Not only for YT I get updates about channels I want to watch via
    Atom/RSS gated to NNTP by Gwene and am experimenting with a local
    Feed2Exec to do the same via IMAP.

    Ok, without YT account I cannot throw shit into YT comments. I see no
    need to miss that. And I cannot see the channel owners' email
    addresses, which is the only thing I sometimes miss. When really urgent
    I'll dig a bit deeper about contacting Computerphile, Numberphile, and
    other brain food channel owners via email.

    There is nothing on youtube that is worth.

    I contradict. See above. And there are a lot more of maths, science, technology and news channels that fit my wavelength. Sure I'd prefer to
    get them via a different service, but DL-ing or viewing videos, using a
    media player that can access them or using a massively locked down
    browser seems raogood enoughrao for my needs.

    It's just addiction to watch nonsense and get excited about some junk
    to buy.
    You wake up and all is good. Then you watch youtube and somehow you
    want upgrade your "gear", get camera, computer, app or live like a
    monk in Japan. Fabricated bullshit creating suffering.

    Nah. Anton Petrov, Sabine Hossenfelder, Fraser Cain (Universe Today),
    ... there is a lot that's worth my time. Your kilometre age may vary.

    I have spoken.

    So too I have!
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  • From Nuno Silva@nunojsilva@invalid.invalid to comp.infosystems.gopher on Sun May 24 10:05:35 2026
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    On 2026-05-23, IanJ wrote:

    Anthk GM <anthk@disroot.org> wrote:
    Good, but what we need it's a JS-less program
    to get YT videos. YT-dlp's interp program
    it's turing complete and I could write
    a SUBLEQ interpreter with it.

    Good luck with that, youtube/google are not going to make it easy
    for you to take content without watching adverts, which is how both
    they and content creators earn money.

    ... content creators, really?

    <https://i0.wp.com/craphound.com/images/80589999nasa-mars-rover-youtube-video-copyright-3.jpg>

    For now, a combination of idiotbox, to search for videos, and mpv+yt-dlp,
    to watch them, is saving me going anywhere near the youtube website and having to view almost as much advert as content.

    The authors of both are fighting a constant arms race to work around
    the continuous changes in order to keep them working.

    All power and gratitude to them!
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  • From none@none@none.rip to comp.infosystems.gopher on Mon May 25 04:38:51 2026
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    On 24/05/2026 8:58 AM, yeti wrote:
    none <none@none.rip> wrote:

    I was mentioning those website simple because they are more useful
    than youtube.

    Are they?

    Not only for YT I get updates about channels I want to watch via
    Atom/RSS gated to NNTP by Gwene and am experimenting with a local
    Feed2Exec to do the same via IMAP.

    Ok, without YT account I cannot throw shit into YT comments. I see no
    need to miss that. And I cannot see the channel owners' email
    addresses, which is the only thing I sometimes miss. When really urgent
    I'll dig a bit deeper about contacting Computerphile, Numberphile, and
    other brain food channel owners via email.

    There is nothing on youtube that is worth.

    I contradict. See above. And there are a lot more of maths, science, technology and news channels that fit my wavelength. Sure I'd prefer to
    get them via a different service, but DL-ing or viewing videos, using a
    media player that can access them or using a massively locked down
    browser seems raogood enoughrao for my needs.

    It's just addiction to watch nonsense and get excited about some junk
    to buy.
    You wake up and all is good. Then you watch youtube and somehow you
    want upgrade your "gear", get camera, computer, app or live like a
    monk in Japan. Fabricated bullshit creating suffering.

    Nah. Anton Petrov, Sabine Hossenfelder, Fraser Cain (Universe Today),
    ... there is a lot that's worth my time. Your kilometre age may vary.

    I have spoken.

    So too I have!


    I fixed whole youtube thing in my /etc/hosts with
    0.0.0.0 youtube.com
    0.0.0.0 www.youtube.com

    As practically every junksite embeds that nonsense. Now even my RPi has lighter breath.
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  • From none@none@none.rip to comp.infosystems.gopher on Mon May 25 04:44:00 2026
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    On 24/05/2026 8:58 AM, yeti wrote:

    And I cannot see the channel owners' email
    addresses, which is the only thing I sometimes miss. When really urgent
    I'll dig a bit deeper about contacting Computerphile, Numberphile, and
    other brain food channel owners via email.

    They are not interested in your email ;/ They are interested in $$$.

    We have spoken.
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    none
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  • From yeti@yeti@tilde.institute to comp.infosystems.gopher on Mon May 25 04:26:25 2026
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    none <none@none.rip> wrote:

    On 24/05/2026 8:58 AM, yeti wrote:

    And I cannot see the channel owners' email
    addresses, which is the only thing I sometimes miss. When really urgent
    I'll dig a bit deeper about contacting Computerphile, Numberphile, and
    other brain food channel owners via email.

    They are not interested in your email ;/ They are interested in $$$.

    That may apply to the shit you consumed. My experiences with STEM topic channels (e.g. Tom Scott, Matt Parker) is different.

    We have spoken.

    Who cares?

    Crawl back under your black and white rock where life without grey tones
    or beware even colours is easy and everything else non B&W is an enemy.

    BYE!
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  • From none@none@none.rip to comp.infosystems.gopher on Mon May 25 06:04:35 2026
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    On 25/05/2026 5:44 AM, yeti wrote:


    That may apply to the shit you consumed. My experiences with STEM topic channels (e.g. Tom Scott, Matt Parker) is different.

    STEM, calling names and now you feel "higher"?

    Who cares?

    Crawl back under your black and white rock where life without grey tones
    or beware even colours is easy and everything else non B&W is an enemy.

    You are probably following wrong channels, otherwise you would know that
    rock or anything does not have any color.

    Subscribe for more factual information at morena.rip. Idiotbox not
    needed. Free trial.
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  • From Daniel@me@sc1f1dan.com to comp.infosystems.gopher on Sun May 24 23:45:20 2026
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    IanJ <SPAMian_jones_01@yahoo.co.uk.invalid> writes:

    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
    What we need is to have most people upload videos to platforms that
    don't try to block file downloads.


    Majority of content creators do it because they get paid through
    the advertising. If you make videos freely downloadable then the
    source of income is gone and so is the motivation to make content,
    for many.

    The ones who aren't motivated by money are likely already on platforms
    like peertube.tv
    There's not a great deal of content to choose from by comparison...

    Anyone know of any alternatives?

    I use idiotbox to get video links to share with my buds in
    bbs-land. It's seldom that I stream with mpv becasue I have an app on my
    tablet that parses the youtube page and shows the content ad-free. Been
    doing that for years. Before the apps, I used adblockers on the
    browser. My computers don't have a GUI installed sans the tablet [which
    is chiefly used for text messaging]. I also stopped using a cellphone in
    2018 and it was the best decision ever.

    Many good content creators source revenue from direct donations on
    sites like patreon nowdays. They also sell merchandise. Few of them lack
    the subscriptions or viewership to make money worth mentioning. And even
    then, the vids require millions of views to see decent money from the
    work. This traffic must be consistent. Then, there's the rat race of
    catching the algorithm to attract viewership. Then, there's
    shadow-banning [a real thing].

    A growing number of 'content creators' [an extremely loose term] on
    youtube these days are AI generated clickbait. The 'creators' want free
    money for near-zero effort. And many of these trashlinks are easy to
    spot because the title usually points to something that could be
    explained in two or three minutes but the video length exceeds twenty
    minutes. In the end, it doesn't show what the title drew the
    audience in for to begin with. Also, usually, the title is far too
    off-base to be real. And then, the title may claim so-and-so said
    <insert claim here> and then watching it proves that they didn't
    anything of the sort. I was fooled a number of times.

    Depriving auto-bot created garbage from obtaining an increment of
    ad-revenue isn't something I'd ever lose sleep over.

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  • From Nuno Silva@nunojsilva@invalid.invalid to comp.infosystems.gopher on Mon May 25 08:38:15 2026
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    On 2026-05-25, Daniel wrote:


    Many good content creators source revenue from direct donations on
    sites like patreon nowdays. They also sell merchandise. Few of them lack
    the subscriptions or viewership to make money worth mentioning. And even then, the vids require millions of views to see decent money from the
    work. This traffic must be consistent. Then, there's the rat race of
    catching the algorithm to attract viewership. Then, there's
    shadow-banning [a real thing].

    That's been my impression, that there are other platforms for revenue,
    and that Youtube really isn't good at that at all. If anything, Youtube
    (in the last, what, decade, decade and half?) seems more like a MAFIAA
    project to benefit big players, at least provided the very broken DMCA
    takedown system.

    I think it's very easy to have your video taken down, or, I think,
    getting ads to profit somebody else, because of said system.


    Meanwhile, I've noticed that Energia productions seems to have the whole
    of /Star Wreck: In The Pirkinning/ without ads on Youtube, either that
    or by coincidence Youtube didn't show me a single ad during the whole
    movie when I rewatched it a few weeks ago. It *is* their content, but I
    wonder if they had to pay Youtube/Google for this?
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  • From IanJ@SPAMian_jones_01@yahoo.co.uk.invalid to comp.infosystems.gopher on Mon May 25 16:13:16 2026
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    Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:
    IanJ <SPAMian_jones_01@yahoo.co.uk.invalid> writes:

    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
    What we need is to have most people upload videos to platforms that
    don't try to block file downloads.


    Majority of content creators do it because they get paid through
    the advertising. If you make videos freely downloadable then the
    source of income is gone and so is the motivation to make content,
    for many.

    The ones who aren't motivated by money are likely already on platforms
    like peertube.tv
    There's not a great deal of content to choose from by comparison...

    Anyone know of any alternatives?

    ----------------- 8< ----------------------------------------------------

    Many good content creators source revenue from direct donations on
    sites like patreon nowdays. They also sell merchandise. Few of them lack
    the subscriptions or viewership to make money worth mentioning.

    ----------------- 8< ----------------------------------------------------

    If they weren't on a platform as popular as YT then they wouldn't
    have the views/subscribers to be earning money, from merchandise,
    donations or anything else.

    Try to get a few to move to an alternative platform which doesn't
    act as a gatekeeper of their content? Or to quote Kev "platforms
    that don't try to block file downloads."

    Again, what are the alternatives?

    I guess one suggestion would be for people to create and share
    torrents of the videos they view/produce. I believe it is possible
    to stream a torrent video without having to first download it?

    Platforms are all gatekeepers, only by self hosting can we have some
    level of freedom.
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