• Re: free app to modify pdf files

    From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@hugybear@gmx.net to comp.mobile.android,comp.text.pdf,comp.editors on Sun Jun 15 22:04:25 2025
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    On 15.06.25 21:36, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 13:07:09 +0200, J||rg Lorenz wrote:

    On 15.06.25 10:55, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 10:35:53 +0200, J||rg Lorenz wrote:

    On 15.06.25 10:17, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 09:22:05 +0200, J||rg Lorenz wrote:

    Mistral AI states relatively carefully:

    I wonder how you can tell ...

    And btw: It is basically common knowledge.

    So the only way you could be sure the AI was trustworthy was because it
    told you something you already knew?

    OT and EOD in this subthread.

    I hope you have learned a lesson about relying on AI.

    Uneducated idiot. You eypose yourself with absolutely no knowledge what
    AI is and how it is used.
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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.mobile.android,comp.text.pdf,comp.editors on Sun Jun 15 22:16:35 2025
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    On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 22:04:25 +0200, J||rg Lorenz wrote:

    On 15.06.25 21:36, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 13:07:09 +0200, J||rg Lorenz wrote:

    On 15.06.25 10:55, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 10:35:53 +0200, J||rg Lorenz wrote:

    And btw: It is basically common knowledge.

    So the only way you could be sure the AI was trustworthy was because
    it told you something you already knew?

    OT and EOD in this subthread.

    I hope you have learned a lesson about relying on AI.

    You eypose yourself with absolutely no knowledge what
    AI is and how it is used.

    You have already given us a pretty clear demonstration.
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  • From Roberto Deboni DMIsr@news@analisienergie.it to comp.mobile.android,comp.text.pdf,comp.editors on Mon Jun 16 03:23:14 2025
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    On 2025-06-15, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 09:22:05 +0200, J||rg Lorenz wrote:

    Mistral AI states relatively carefully:

    I wonder how you can tell ...

    You could ask AI for the sources and verify on them.
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@hugybear@gmx.net to comp.mobile.android,comp.text.pdf,comp.editors on Mon Jun 16 11:12:51 2025
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    On 16.06.25 05:23, Roberto Deboni DMIsr wrote:
    On 2025-06-15, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 09:22:05 +0200, J||rg Lorenz wrote:

    Mistral AI states relatively carefully:

    I wonder how you can tell ...

    You could ask AI for the sources and verify on them.

    Quite easy. Mistral AI allows to do that quite transparently and it can
    be adjusted.
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    "De gustibus non est disputandum."
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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.mobile.android,comp.text.pdf,comp.editors on Tue Jun 17 01:24:58 2025
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    On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 11:12:51 +0200, J||rg Lorenz wrote:

    On 16.06.25 05:23, Roberto Deboni DMIsr wrote:

    On 2025-06-15, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 09:22:05 +0200, J||rg Lorenz wrote:

    Mistral AI states relatively carefully:

    I wonder how you can tell ...

    You could ask AI for the sources and verify on them.

    Quite easy. Mistral AI allows to do that quite transparently and it can
    be adjusted.

    Is that what it told you?
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to comp.mobile.android,comp.text.pdf,comp.editors on Wed Jun 18 05:17:00 2025
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    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 01:10:44 +0200, sobriquet wrote :


    Op 17/06/2025 om 20:21 schreef Arno Welzel:
    sobriquet, 2025-06-17 13:27:

    Op 15/06/2025 om 19:05 schreef Arno Welzel:
    sobriquet, 2025-06-14 19:57:

    What's the best free app to modify pdf files on android?
    So not just viewing a pdf file, but actually making changes in it, like >>>>> filling out a form with additional information.

    Filling out forms is not "modify" - it is just filling out a form in the >>>> PDF and storing the result.

    Modify has the general meaning of "making changes" as one of its
    connotations. So if you change anything about a pdf file, like filling
    a pdf form, that can be understood as modification.

    Yes, but you do *not* change the PDF itself. You just enter something in
    form fields provided in the PDF. And you can then save the PDF with the
    filled form. But when you open it again you will see, that the form
    fields are still there and can be changed again - but nothing else,
    since you will not change the PDF.

    It's like filling a form on a website - you do not change the website
    itself just by filling a form and sending it.


    It depends how you interpret "change". If you fill out a form I would
    say you change the form from an empty form to a form that has been
    filled out. Also, it's natural to think of it as modifying the pdf
    file, since the file attributes like "date last modified" will
    typically change, while it wouldn't change if you just read the
    pdf file without making any changes to the file.

    I'll agree with anyone who makes a logically defensible statement, no
    matter who he is, and I'll disagree with anyone whose statements are not.

    Personally, I've been "editing" PDF files for decades, where I will agree
    with Arno that most people don't consider filling out PDF forms as
    "editing", although technically, any change in the hash is editing.

    The reason it matters is simply that the OP needs to be clear on the
    problem set because the mix of programs/apps which fill out form fields is vastly greater than the mix that does actual edits to the text in the PDF.

    In addition, I would *never* think of converting a form-field PDF to
    another format to fill out the fields (for the same reason as above).

    If I wanted to make edits to text inside a PDF (i.e., not just fill out
    form fields), I'd use the tools I already described previously.

    If that PDF was simply a scan, then I'd convert the PDF to an image format
    and change the image as needed, and then convert back to PDF.

    I have decades of experience doing this, which is why I say emphatically
    that filling out a field is a completely different problem set than actual
    text editing of a PDF (or image editing of a scanned PDF).

    I could be wrong though... as I did say in the very beginning I didn't know
    of a good solution to the user's stated problem on the Android ecosystem.
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  • From Peter Flynn@peter@silmaril.ie to comp.mobile.android,comp.text.pdf,comp.editors on Sun Jun 22 23:02:23 2025
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    On 15/06/2025 05:49, sobriquet wrote:
    Op 14/06/2025 om 21:17 schreef Marion:
    On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 19:57:34 +0200, sobriquet wrote :

    What's the best free app to modify pdf files on android?
    So not just viewing a pdf file, but actually making changes in it, like
    filling out a form with additional information.

    Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

    I don't know the answer, so I hope someone pitches in with the answer.

    I'm curious to know WHY you want to edit a PDF, which was designed as a non-editable end-of-line format.

    Did you want to make small changes and re-issue the PDF? Or reformat the
    whole document to repurpose it?

    It's usually MUCH easier to edit the original document and regenerate
    the PDF.

    On the PC I've tried open office with a pdf extension, but that
    doesn't seem to work very well, though it might vary depending on
    the type of pdf.

    Several posters have already explained the difference between a textual
    PDF (text you can copy and paste) and an image PDF (which contains
    pictures of pages, and no actual text).

    With the pdf that I tried, I wasn't very satisfied with the free online version of ms-word either in the way it handled the pdf.

    I'll give the free adobe pdf-editor webapp a try to see how that works.

    Sometimes it works, and sometimes not.

    Peter
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  • From Dom Adso von Melk OSB@adso@osb.melk.at.invalid to comp.text.pdf,comp.editors on Tue Jun 24 22:58:31 2025
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    On Sun, 22 Jun 2025, Peter Flynn wrote:

    I'm curious to know WHY you want to edit a PDF, which was designed as a non-editable end-of-line format.

    Two possible reasons.

    - I want to add annotations (e.g. I periodically dump my bank account
    record of transactions, and wanto to add a sequence number to each
    operation) ... procedure, open pdf with libreoffice, place my text
    label, (re-)export as pdf, quit original file unsaved

    - I receive from some administration a pdf document containing a form
    (it is NOT a "pdf form", their fault) which in principle should be
    filled, signed, printed, scanned and returned (sic!) instead .,,

    ... open pdf with libreoffice, insert wished text, insert scanned
    pmg woith my signasture, export as pdf andf send resulting file
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