• the Ten Heavenly Stems (was Re: Accumulator naming)

    From Kragen Javier Sitaker@kragen@canonical.org to alt.sys.pdp10,comp.arch on Fri Sep 11 16:07:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.arch

    (People reading this may find it sufficiently off the wall as to wonder
    if an LLM wrote it, but I assure you that I wrote it entirely with my
    organic brain, and Emacs, looking stuff up with Firefox. I write the em
    dashes with the Compose key.)

    jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> writes:
    It's easier, at least for me, to make a rCLmental maprCY of where things are when they have names rather than numbers, even if those names are
    short. It's easier to recall rCLwatermellonrCY, rCLapplerCY, rCLgraperCY than 39,
    23, 5 even though both sets are decending in magnitude. [...]

    In English, Hebrew, Greek, etc., the obvious alternative to numbers is
    to use letters of the alphabet: register A, register B, register C, etc.
    In Chinese, of course, there is no alphabet, but, as I understand it (my Chinese is mostly limited to reading datasheets), the Ten Heavenly Stems <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavenly_Stems> and Twelve Earthly
    Branches <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthly_Branches> are used in
    much the same way. This may not be adequate for a processor with many architectural registers like RISC-VrCOs 32 (or 31) or MMIXrCOs 256, but itrCOs close enough.

    The Ten Heavenly Stems have mostly lost their original meanings over the
    last 3000 years and been relegated to mostly only this use. I have
    listed them here with their origins; where they have other current uses,
    I have put them in parentheses:

    1. to# turtle shell (methyl, rCLarmorrCY)
    2. E|O fish guts (ethyl, rCLtwistrCY)
    3. E+O fish tail
    4. E+U nail
    5. uee halberd (FirefoxrCOs translation neural network translates it as rCLErCY)
    6. o+# thread on a loom (rCLselfrCY)
    7. o|U evening star (rCLagerCY)
    8. *+c to offend superiors (rCLspicyrCY)
    9. ou4 burden
    10. tO+ four-handled plow

    I am amused at the idea of moving a 36-bit quantity from register
    Eveningstar to register Fishtail, but I think that might be a bit of a
    hard sell. Of course, in Chinese, the names are just one syllable.

    The Twelve Earthly Branches are used, among other things, for two-hour
    periods of the day, and they have a conventional correspondence with the Chinese 12-year zodiac symbols, which I have placed in square brackets.
    They were used to name the days of a 12-day week 3000 years ago. The
    zodiac symbols are not the meanings of the characters, which, as with
    the Heavenly Stems, have largely lost their meaning over the last few millennia.

    1. o!E child [rat]
    2. E+a ugly, clown [ox]
    3. o>a [tiger]
    4. oi> [rabbit]
    5. *+# day [dragon]
    6. o+| [snake]
    7. oie noon [horse]
    8. uL- not yet [goat]
    9. to| to state or explain [monkey]
    10. oae unitary [rooster]
    11. uei army [dog]
    12. E|N [pig]

    The zodiac symbols seem like they would greatly improve the memorability
    of onerCOs assembly code and calling conventionsrCerCorCeit would be much easier
    to learn that the stack pointer was the Pig register and the link
    register was the Dragon register than to learn which one was r14 and
    which one was r15.

    Kragen
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  • From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@johann@myrkraverk.invalid to alt.sys.pdp10,comp.arch,alt.history.ancient-egypt on Mon Sep 14 01:12:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.arch

    On 12/09/2026 3:07 AM, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote:
    (People reading this may find it sufficiently off the wall as to wonder
    if an LLM wrote it, but I assure you that I wrote it entirely with my
    organic brain, and Emacs, looking stuff up with Firefox. I write the em dashes with the Compose key.)

    jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> writes:
    It's easier, at least for me, to make a rCLmental maprCY of where things are >> when they have names rather than numbers, even if those names are
    short. It's easier to recall rCLwatermellonrCY, rCLapplerCY, rCLgraperCY than 39,
    23, 5 even though both sets are decending in magnitude. [...]

    In English, Hebrew, Greek, etc., the obvious alternative to numbers is
    to use letters of the alphabet: register A, register B, register C, etc.
    In Chinese, of course, there is no alphabet, but, as I understand it (my Chinese is mostly limited to reading datasheets), the Ten Heavenly Stems <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavenly_Stems> and Twelve Earthly
    Branches <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthly_Branches> are used in
    much the same way. This may not be adequate for a processor with many architectural registers like RISC-VrCOs 32 (or 31) or MMIXrCOs 256, but itrCOs
    close enough.

    The Ten Heavenly Stems have mostly lost their original meanings over the
    last 3000 years and been relegated to mostly only this use. I have
    listed them here with their origins; where they have other current uses,
    I have put them in parentheses:

    1. to# turtle shell (methyl, rCLarmorrCY)
    2. E|O fish guts (ethyl, rCLtwistrCY)
    3. E+O fish tail
    4. E+U nail
    5. uee halberd (FirefoxrCOs translation neural network translates it as rCLErCY)
    6. o+# thread on a loom (rCLselfrCY)
    7. o|U evening star (rCLagerCY)
    8. *+c to offend superiors (rCLspicyrCY)
    9. ou4 burden
    10. tO+ four-handled plow

    I am amused at the idea of moving a 36-bit quantity from register
    Eveningstar to register Fishtail, but I think that might be a bit of a
    hard sell. Of course, in Chinese, the names are just one syllable.

    The Twelve Earthly Branches are used, among other things, for two-hour periods of the day, and they have a conventional correspondence with the Chinese 12-year zodiac symbols, which I have placed in square brackets.
    They were used to name the days of a 12-day week 3000 years ago. The
    zodiac symbols are not the meanings of the characters, which, as with
    the Heavenly Stems, have largely lost their meaning over the last few millennia.

    1. o!E child [rat]
    2. E+a ugly, clown [ox]
    3. o>a [tiger]
    4. oi> [rabbit]
    5. *+# day [dragon]
    6. o+| [snake]
    7. oie noon [horse]
    8. uL- not yet [goat]
    9. to| to state or explain [monkey]
    10. oae unitary [rooster]
    11. uei army [dog]
    12. E|N [pig]

    The zodiac symbols seem like they would greatly improve the memorability
    of onerCOs assembly code and calling conventionsrCerCorCeit would be much easier
    to learn that the stack pointer was the Pig register and the link
    register was the Dragon register than to learn which one was r14 and
    which one was r15.

    Kragen

    You can add to this list a few hieroglyphs. There are a little over se-
    ven hundred in the standard /middle egyptian/ and you can see most of
    them at the back of Gardiner's book. Well, probably all of them in the
    most recent edition.

    They started to get inventive in the new kingdom, and I never learned
    any of those.

    My hieroglyphs are currently too rusty to suggest any specific one for a register, but you'll be amused to know the characters stand on /reg-
    isters/ in hieroglyphic artwork. By that I mean the pictures of the
    gods and pharaohs.

    After some two hundred years, Egyptologists are still arguing about what
    some of the ideograms are, and I suspect some of these academic flame
    wars are still on-going.

    I've added alt.history.ancient-egypt to this discussion.


    Happy original research, and participations in ancient academic flame
    wars!
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  • From Kragen Javier Sitaker@kragen@canonical.org to alt.sys.pdp10,comp.arch,alt.history.ancient-egypt on Mon Sep 14 14:40:48 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.arch

    Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> writes:
    On 12/09/2026 3:07 AM, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote:
    jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> writes:
    It's easier, at least for me, to make a rCLmental maprCY of where things are
    when they have names rather than numbers, even if those names are
    short. It's easier to recall rCLwatermellonrCY, rCLapplerCY, rCLgraperCY than 39,
    23, 5 even though both sets are decending in magnitude. [...]
    In English, Hebrew, Greek, etc., the obvious alternative to numbers
    is to use letters of the alphabet: register A, register B, register
    C, etc. In Chinese, of course, there is no alphabet, but, as I
    understand it (my Chinese is mostly limited to reading datasheets),
    the Ten Heavenly Stems <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavenly_Stems>
    and Twelve Earthly Branches
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthly_Branches> are used in much the
    same way. [...]

    You can add to this list a few hieroglyphs. There are a little over se-
    ven hundred in the standard /middle egyptian/ and you can see most of
    them at the back of Gardiner's book. Well, probably all of them in the
    most recent edition. [...]

    Is there a sequence of hieroglyphs that is conventionally used as
    ordinals in the way that the Heavenly Stems and Earthly Branches are?

    Kragen
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