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?Is it just me or is "vibe coding" basically just high-level rubber
ducking that actually types back? I see people acting like they
discovered a new dimension of engineering because they can prompt a Claude-
3 or whatever to spit out a React component without knowing what a hook
is. ?The "vibe" is fine until the state management goes recursive and
you have no idea why because you never learned the stack. It's just black-
box orchestration. ?Are we actually coding or just "vibing" our way into
a massive technical debt bubble?
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Verily, in article <10podng$3648e$1@dont-email.me>, did oguzkaanocal3169 @hotmail.com deliver unto us this message:

?Is it just me or is "vibe coding" basically just high-level rubber
ducking that actually types back? I see people acting like they
discovered a new dimension of engineering because they can prompt a Claude-
3 or whatever to spit out a React component without knowing what a hook
is. ?The "vibe" is fine until the state management goes recursive and
you have no idea why because you never learned the stack. It's just black- box orchestration. ?Are we actually coding or just "vibing" our way into
a massive technical debt bubble?

I'm still waiting for one of these "vibe coded" apps to earn five bucks.

I don't like the future. We had such high hopes for it, building back in
the 90s, but the corporations took over and ruined everything, and now
the majority of users are bots.
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On 3/22/2026 9:05 AM, Oguz Kaan Ocal wrote:

?Is it just me or is "vibe coding" basically just high-level rubber
ducking that actually types back? I see people acting like they
discovered a new dimension of engineering because they can prompt a Claude-
3 or whatever to spit out a React component without knowing what a hook
is. ?The "vibe" is fine until the state management goes recursive and
you have no idea why because you never learned the stack. It's just black- box orchestration. ?Are we actually coding or just "vibing" our way into
a massive technical debt bubble?
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"Tech Debt" is what I think of every time I hear vibe coding. You just
get a pile of spaghetti. Except it's worse, because unlike a human, the
AI is going to just make up whatever post-hoc explanation is
statistically most-likely for whatever crazy stuff it did.

It is pretty good at spitting out a workable POC (provided it's a
relatively simple thing you're trying to do). So it's nice speculatively trying those small side ideas that you want to try, but just don't have
the bandwidth to do.

I'd never want to deploy one of those though; blindly trusting code that
I never looked at, from an entity that is known to produce absolutely
dogshit code, is just too sketchy for me. Once you get the POC done and
you see what worked (or didn't), then you open your IDE and actually
write code that you're not ashamed of.

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Verily, in article <10pq87r$3pqkm$1@dont-email.me>, did FrigidFoxtrot@protonmail.com deliver unto us this message:

"Tech Debt" is what I think of every time I hear vibe coding. You just
get a pile of spaghetti. Except it's worse, because unlike a human, the
AI is going to just make up whatever post-hoc explanation is
statistically most-likely for whatever crazy stuff it did.

They do say the latest Claude Code is much better and often actually
makes sense. These are people who know what they're doing, though, and so-called vibe coders usually don't.
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On 23/03/2026 11:38, FrigidFoxtrot wrote:

It is pretty good at spitting out a workable POC

Pile Of Code?
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The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> writes:

Verily, in article <10pq87r$3pqkm$1@dont-email.me>, did FrigidFoxtrot@protonmail.com deliver unto us this message:

"Tech Debt" is what I think of every time I hear vibe coding. You
just
get a pile of spaghetti. Except it's worse, because unlike a human,
the
AI is going to just make up whatever post-hoc explanation is
statistically most-likely for whatever crazy stuff it did.

They do say the latest Claude Code is much better and often actually
makes sense. These are people who know what they're doing, though, and so-called vibe coders usually don't.

I freely admit that I don't know what I'm doing, even now, but "vibe
coding" has given me quite a bit. I'm a blind person using an Android
phone. I got a taste of Emacs years ago, so I had Gemini CLI make Termux
a bit more accessible to me as far as its app. I then had Gemini CLI,
inside Termux, hook up Emacspeak (Emacs screen reading system). And it's
been uphill (in the best way) ever since. Now, with a Bluetooth
keyboard, my phone is very close to being the only computer I need.
(besides heavy browsing and games).

Also, the AI had to polyfill some TCLX stuff on top of TCL to get
Emacspeak working with some speech servers, get those speech engines,
like DecTalk, working in the Termux environment, so it wasn't a simple
make && make install.

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FrigidFoxtrot <FrigidFoxtrot@protonmail.com> writes:

I'd never want to deploy one of those though; blindly trusting code
that I never looked at.

Did you look at Thunderbird code?

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The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> writes:

We had such high hopes for it, building back in
the 90s, but the corporations took over and ruined everything, and now
the majority of users are bots.

This is one of the thing that let me get back to Usenet nowadays.

The monopolization of the information substrate, and the communities is
such depressing and limit the ability of innovative idea.

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The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> writes:

They do say the latest Claude Code is much better and often actually
makes sense.

As a Claude Code user I can say that that harness is not really good,
there is better solution, but I have to use that one unfortunately, and
on Claude Code side we are treated much likely as beta testers.

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bixbox wrote in article <115es0c$3t2el$3@dont-email.me>:

The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> writes:

We had such high hopes for it, building back in
the 90s, but the corporations took over and ruined everything, and now
the majority of users are bots.

This is one of the thing that let me get back to Usenet nowadays.

It feels so much realer, doesn't it?

The monopolization of the information substrate, and the communities is
such depressing and limit the ability of innovative idea.

I have ideas to do something about it, but no one's with me.
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The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.

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The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> writes:

bixbox wrote in article <115es0c$3t2el$3@dont-email.me>:

The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> writes:

It feels so much realer, doesn't it?

It is def does. For some reason is the most refreshing part of my day.
I don't know how to explain but the feeling is that.

The monopolization of the information substrate, and the communities is
such depressing and limit the ability of innovative idea.

I have ideas to do something about it, but no one's with me.

The StuffAsAService* like "AI as a service" that the current mainstream
are using, while I don't question the it make those services a
commodities, have a real economic and innovation impact because as of
now all those this are build in a way that require a massive amount of
memory processing power.

Before the AI those *AsAService required economic investment to build
from the scratch but is not massive as the current one.

Build the current LLM models require several order of magnitude on
investment to train, and those company does not start from zero, they
already several generation of Model that definitely help the evolution of
the next generation.
And BTW the cost that we pay at the Inference As A Service is to pay
and sustain the cost of the training.

That is a monopoly the feed himself, as well as all the input that we
feed thought using the inference and sending them prompt. The practically owning the wells.

Maybe and maybe, we will see a evolution at some point, like when we went
from Main Frame to Personal Computer, we may observe a similar
trajectory, from AI Main Frame like Anthropic and OpenAI to Personal AI
running on my specialized device.

In fact I feel there is a diminished return on larger model, every new generation is not improve linearly anymore and the feeling is that that
is flatten out.

Many thing have to happen but it can happen.

bix

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