• Furthest by train from Melbourne in 24 hours

    From Sylvia Else@sylvia@email.invalid to aus.rail on Sun May 15 15:16:53 2022
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    Motivated by

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MNEA4rimys

    I thought I take a look at the situation in Australia.

    It appears to me that the longest such journey is from Melbourne
    (Southern Cross) to Casino NSW, which takes 22 hours 50 minutes, and is
    1245 km as the crow flies.

    Mind you, you need to make a 10 minute connection at Central, which
    given XPTs seems unlikely.

    Sylvia.

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  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to aus.rail on Mon May 16 06:00:59 2022
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    On Sun, 15 May 2022 15:16:53 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
    wrote:

    Motivated by

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MNEA4rimys

    I thought I take a look at the situation in Australia.

    It appears to me that the longest such journey is from Melbourne
    (Southern Cross) to Casino NSW, which takes 22 hours 50 minutes, and is
    1245 km as the crow flies.

    Mind you, you need to make a 10 minute connection at Central, which
    given XPTs seems unlikely.

    Sylvia.

    Un till the tracks are upgraded to handle existing speeds of our
    fleet.
    "The longest distance between two points" is presently state rail!
    8am Tokyo to Hiroshima arrives 11am time for lunch trip is quiet and
    fast.
    Sydney/Melbourne would of had that in the 1990's at no cost to tax
    payer if it wasn't for Labor governments!
    --
    Petzl

    The entire Parliament was sacked,for treason under Whitlam
    Constitutionally Parties are not recognised. So when a Government was
    found to be removing ties to USA and Britain's orbit moving towards
    that of the Communist and Third World powers, with strong support for
    the "Arab lobby", Britain and USA would of found that treachery.

    Arab financiers offered lower interest rates on governmental loans
    than US banks/financiers. The Middle East at the time was awash with "petro-dollars", as the price of oil quadrupled between 1973 and 1974.
    Whitlam allowed Saudi Arabs to build a Mosque in Sydney/Lakemba.
    Whitlam was a immoral communist working to remove ties to USA and
    Britain's orbit moving towards that of the Communist and Third World
    powers, with strong support for the "Arab lobby".
    https://is.gd/IzhkxL

    Whitlam did not want anti-communists to settle in Australia,
    irrespective of whether they were genuine asylum seekers. Here his
    stance differed from the position he took following the overthrow of
    Salvador Allende's left-wing government in Chile in 1973.

    Whitlam said on the ABC that Australia did not want oanother
    !reactionary right-wing minorityo. Foreign minister Don Willesee
    pleaded with him to take more. Whitlam replied: oIAm not having those
    f..king Vietnamese Balts coming into this country with their religious
    and political prejudices against us.o

    Whitlam opposed the entry of Vietnamese refugees, saying they stirred
    no sympathy in him. He added: oThere will be some resentment about the
    people coming to Australia at a time of unemployment, and also people
    from a very different way of life.o

    In other words, Whitlam consciously stirred up ethnic and racial
    prejudice against Vietnamese !because he thought they might be
    politically hostile to Labor.
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  • From Matthew Geier@matthew@sleeper.apana.org.au to aus.rail on Thu May 19 09:58:29 2022
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    On 16/5/22 06:00, Petzl wrote:

    Sydney/Melbourne would of had that in the 1990's at no cost to tax
    payer if it wasn't for Labor governments!


    Not quite 'no cost to the tax payer'. The promoter wanted fat tax
    concessions. The politicians got rolled by their own treasury who were
    not going to give up the opportunity to tax the new company.

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  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to aus.rail on Thu May 19 10:21:43 2022
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    On Thu, 19 May 2022 09:58:29 +1000, Matthew Geier <matthew@sleeper.apana.org.au> wrote:

    On 16/5/22 06:00, Petzl wrote:

    Sydney/Melbourne would of had that in the 1990's at no cost to tax
    payer if it wasn't for Labor governments!

    Not quite 'no cost to the tax payer'. The promoter wanted fat tax >concessions. The politicians got rolled by their own treasury who were
    not going to give up the opportunity to tax the new company.

    You are correct, sort of, called negotiation the first offer is never
    the last.

    The major problem was incompetence, lack of planning support from
    Federal and state governments.

    The Governments were pandering to NIMBY groups untrue nonsense.

    Threatening the VFT with opening up the airways, station stops that
    were uneconomic.

    It became obvious the 3rd world Governments of Australia, both state
    and federal, that their lobbyists did not want the VFT to go ahead.

    The main players then told the Australian government to bugger off,
    stop time wasting then walking away.
    --
    Petzl
    "Our" Media and Major parties are run by lobbyists

    Lobbyists write the laws, parliament sells the laws,
    paid lucrative commissions for passing their laws.
    ThatAs the modern legislative business of parliament.

    When we talk about paying-off politicians in third-world
    countries we call it bribery.
    However, when we undertake the same process in parliament.
    we call it lobbying.
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  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to aus.rail on Thu May 19 18:53:40 2022
    From Newsgroup: aus.rail

    On Thu, 19 May 2022 09:58:29 +1000, Matthew Geier <matthew@sleeper.apana.org.au> wrote:

    On 16/5/22 06:00, Petzl wrote:

    Sydney/Melbourne would of had that in the 1990's at no cost to tax
    payer if it wasn't for Labor governments!


    Not quite 'no cost to the tax payer'. The promoter wanted fat tax >concessions. The politicians got rolled by their own treasury who were
    not going to give up the opportunity to tax the new company.

    Here a conclusion from 1991

    I THE LAST LUNCHEON: Alan Castleman, the VFT project chief, reflects
    on what might have been before a last luncheon with staff yesterday.
    By IAN DAVIS,
    Finance Editor
    The Very Fast Train closes its project office in Canberra today,
    ending any immediate prospects that the visionary S10 biilion rail
    linkbetween Sydney, Canberra and Melbourne will proceed. The VFT
    consortium chief executive, Alan Castleman, a BHP senior executive on secondment to the project, who will return to a new position with the
    Big Australian once he has finished folding the tent for the project,
    proclaims himself "not gloomy" about what has happened, but admits to
    being somewhat frustrated.
    Mr Castleman has no doubts about what has killed the project off u at
    least for the time being. "Lack of commitment. They [the Government]
    didn't try and And a way through the problems,*' he says. "Inthis
    country we are too problem oriented. As a nation we are too inclined
    to look at the problems rather than the solutions," he says.
    Mr Castleman says government refusal to give any concrete support for
    the concept has killed the project off before it was possible to know
    whether it was feasible.
    Mr Castleman says it was not just tax issues which killed the project.
    Equally important was the inability of the four governments u NSW,
    ACT, Victoria and the ACT u to agree on the process for getting
    approvals.
    There were, he says, elements of support and opposition to the project
    in all governments but in none of the four governments with which the
    project dealt was the balance so overwhelmingly in favour of the
    project and so constructive in its approach as it was in the ACT.

    However, Mr Castleman strongly criticised the Federal Treasury for its
    narrow, tax-oriented views. Treasury lacked any ability to consider
    the wider macro-economic consequences of projects and their long-term
    effect on government reve nue and the economy generally. Mr Castleman
    rejects suggestions that reluctance by three of the consortium's four
    members u Elders (now called Fosters Brewing), TNT and Kumagai Gumi u
    to proceed with funding the project was at least as important as the Government's refusal to find solutions to the tax disincentives faced
    by large-scale projects in Australia and the lack of any agreed
    decision-making process for a major project requiring agreement from
    four governments. "We told the Government that when we got agreement
    [from them) we would get the {new] partners. Potential partners would
    not commit themselves until there was a clear path ahead."
    --
    Petzl
    "Our" Media and Major parties are run by lobbyists

    Lobbyists write the laws, parliament sells the laws,
    paid lucrative commissions for passing their laws.
    ThatAs the modern legislative business of parliament.

    When we talk about paying-off politicians in third-world
    countries we call it bribery.
    However, when we undertake the same process in parliament.
    we call it lobbying.
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