On Thu, 30 May 2019 13:36:40 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:
As with other trains in NSW, the Metro doors lock while the train is
moving, and the emergency door release has a built in delay and is
subject to being overridden by a person sitting safely somewhere in an
office, who will probably be so indoctrinated with the containment
policy that they won't allow the doors to open until they've received
authorisation from a manager. They may have to have a meeting about it
first.
The absence of doors between the carriages makes the risk associated
with fire even greater than on other trains because escaping to a
different carriage will achieve little.
I suggest the acquisition of one of these
https://www.bosch-pt.com.au/au/en/products/gws-12v-76-06019F2000
At less than a kilogram, it will be quite practical to carry one while
travelling. Just remember to charge it from time to time.
I've yet to travel on the Metro, so I haven't determined the best point
of attack.
Sylvia.
...hmmmmmm, did you know this device is used by burglars to slice
through padlocks? And bicycle lock-ups?
And with some effort - wheel clamps.
Clearly, you've been around!
The absence of doors between the carriages makes the risk associated
with fire even greater than on other trains because escaping to a
different carriage will achieve little.
I suggest the acquisition of one of these
https://www.bosch-pt.com.au/au/en/products/gws-12v-76-06019F2000
As with other trains in NSW, the Metro doors lock while the train is
moving, and the emergency door release has a built in delay and is
subject to being overridden by a person sitting safely somewhere in an office, who will probably be so indoctrinated with the containment
policy that they won't allow the doors to open until they've received authorisation from a manager. They may have to have a meeting about it first.
The absence of doors between the carriages makes the risk associated
with fire even greater than on other trains because escaping to a
different carriage will achieve little.
I suggest the acquisition of one of these
https://www.bosch-pt.com.au/au/en/products/gws-12v-76-06019F2000
At less than a kilogram, it will be quite practical to carry one while travelling. Just remember to charge it from time to time.
As with other trains in NSW, the Metro doors lock while the train is
moving, and the emergency door release has a built in delay and is subject to being overridden by a person sitting safely somewhere in an office, who will probably be so indoctrinated with the containment policy that they won't allow the doors to open until they've received authorisation from a manager. They may have to have a meeting about it first.
The absence of doors between the carriages makes the risk associated with fire even greater than on other trains because escaping to a different carriage will achieve little.
I suggest the acquisition of one of these
https://www.bosch-pt.com.au/au/en/products/gws-12v-76-06019F2000
At less than a kilogram, it will be quite practical to carry one while travelling. Just remember to charge it from time to time.
I've yet to travel on the Metro, so I haven't determined the best point of attack.
On 31/05/2019 9:38 am, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 30 May 2019 13:36:40 +1000, Sylvia Else wrote:
The absence of doors between the carriages makes the risk associated
with fire even greater than on other trains because escaping to a
different carriage will achieve little.
That is a fire and damage contanment property. Restricts fire to one
carriages interior
I suggest the acquisition of one of these
https://www.bosch-pt.com.au/au/en/products/gws-12v-76-06019F2000
Thaty could turn out to be one expensive trip as they charge you for the
cost of repairs/rebuilding.
Would never happen. I'm not talking about a temporary delay.
You're allowed to do what it takes to escape from a dangerous situation,
or from an unreasonably long detainment.
The last thing the train operators want is for a legal precedent to be
set.
On 30/05/2019 1:36 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
As with other trains in NSW, the Metro doors lock while the train is
moving, and the emergency door release has a built in delay and is
subject to being overridden by a person sitting safely somewhere in an
office, who will probably be so indoctrinated with the containment policy >> that they won't allow the doors to open until they've received
authorisation from a manager. They may have to have a meeting about it
first.
The absence of doors between the carriages makes the risk associated with >> fire even greater than on other trains because escaping to a different
carriage will achieve little.
I suggest the acquisition of one of these
https://www.bosch-pt.com.au/au/en/products/gws-12v-76-06019F2000
At less than a kilogram, it will be quite practical to carry one while
travelling. Just remember to charge it from time to time.
I've yet to travel on the Metro, so I haven't determined the best point
of attack.
Sylvia.
I went on the Metro today, sans angle-grinder, so taking my life into my hands.
The doors run along a slot in the floor, so the 'vulnerability' other NSW trains have of being weak at the base where the doors come together does
not exist. Indeed it would take quite a lot of cutting to get through one
of these doors.
However the emergency door release access panel
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/rkypq4hlcdgasfu/MetroSideDoorEmergency.jpg?dl=0>
is held in by four anti-tamper torx style bolts. The same type is used on other parts of the trim, such as here (Sorry about the focus).
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/0nb908cnp0g21eu/MetroTorx.jpg?dl=0>
I think if one removes the panel, one will gain access to the release mechanism, and the control centre won't have any say in it. One might want to have a tool that allows a decent torque to be applied, since one
doesn't know how hard they've been done up.
Note the "Authorisation required." I don't think these people have the remotest idea what an emergency is. There's supposed to be a timer that releases the doors if the control centre does not act, but there's nothing to tell passengers that, so they might wait until they die from the smoke inhalation or fire that made them operate the handle in the first place.
On the railway aspect of things, the "pantograph" involves a rigid
aluminium (I presume) bar rather than the conventional cable. See
https://www.dropbox.com/s/46319edudjjkgf1/MetroPantograph.jpg?dl=0
Presumably it is mounted to move from side to side relative to the train
as the train moves, though I didn't think to check that.
Stuff getting stuck in the slot that the doors run in could stop the doors from closing, and take the train out of service. It seems an unnecessary flaw.
The announcements kept saying "This metro train ends at Chatswood", which was clearly wrong, since the train ends at the back. Why they couldn't say "metro service" escapes me.
On 30/05/2019 1:36 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
As with other trains in NSW, the Metro doors lock while the train is
moving, and the emergency door release has a built in delay and is
subject to being overridden by a person sitting safely somewhere in an
office, who will probably be so indoctrinated with the containment
policy that they won't allow the doors to open until they've received
authorisation from a manager. They may have to have a meeting about it
first.
The absence of doors between the carriages makes the risk associated
with fire even greater than on other trains because escaping to a
different carriage will achieve little.
I suggest the acquisition of one of these
https://www.bosch-pt.com.au/au/en/products/gws-12v-76-06019F2000
At less than a kilogram, it will be quite practical to carry one while
travelling. Just remember to charge it from time to time.
I've yet to travel on the Metro, so I haven't determined the best point
of attack.
Sylvia.
I went on the Metro today, sans angle-grinder, so taking my life into my >hands.
The doors run along a slot in the floor, so the 'vulnerability' other
NSW trains have of being weak at the base where the doors come together
does not exist. Indeed it would take quite a lot of cutting to get
through one of these doors.
However the emergency door release access panel
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/rkypq4hlcdgasfu/MetroSideDoorEmergency.jpg?dl=0>
is held in by four anti-tamper torx style bolts. The same type is used
on other parts of the trim, such as here (Sorry about the focus).
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/0nb908cnp0g21eu/MetroTorx.jpg?dl=0>
I think if one removes the panel, one will gain access to the release >mechanism, and the control centre won't have any say in it. One might
want to have a tool that allows a decent torque to be applied, since one >doesn't know how hard they've been done up.
Note the "Authorisation required." I don't think these people have the >remotest idea what an emergency is. There's supposed to be a timer that >releases the doors if the control centre does not act, but there's
nothing to tell passengers that, so they might wait until they die from
the smoke inhalation or fire that made them operate the handle in the
first place.
On the railway aspect of things, the "pantograph" involves a rigid
aluminium (I presume) bar rather than the conventional cable. See
https://www.dropbox.com/s/46319edudjjkgf1/MetroPantograph.jpg?dl=0
Presumably it is mounted to move from side to side relative to the train
as the train moves, though I didn't think to check that.
Stuff getting stuck in the slot that the doors run in could stop the
doors from closing, and take the train out of service. It seems an >unnecessary flaw.
The announcements kept saying "This metro train ends at Chatswood",
which was clearly wrong, since the train ends at the back. Why they
couldn't say "metro service" escapes me.
Just accept that young people today did not receive the education that
we did. They cannot help seeming stupid.
In <got8kjFh36gU1@mid.individual.net>, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> writes:
On 30/05/2019 1:36 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
As with other trains in NSW, the Metro doors lock while the train is
moving, and the emergency door release has a built in delay and is
subject to being overridden by a person sitting safely somewhere in an
office, who will probably be so indoctrinated with the containment
policy that they won't allow the doors to open until they've received
authorisation from a manager. They may have to have a meeting about it
first.
The absence of doors between the carriages makes the risk associated
with fire even greater than on other trains because escaping to a
different carriage will achieve little.
I suggest the acquisition of one of these
https://www.bosch-pt.com.au/au/en/products/gws-12v-76-06019F2000
At less than a kilogram, it will be quite practical to carry one while
travelling. Just remember to charge it from time to time.
I've yet to travel on the Metro, so I haven't determined the best point >>> of attack.
Sylvia.
I went on the Metro today, sans angle-grinder, so taking my life into my >>hands.
The doors run along a slot in the floor, so the 'vulnerability' other
NSW trains have of being weak at the base where the doors come together >>does not exist. Indeed it would take quite a lot of cutting to get
through one of these doors.
However the emergency door release access panel
is held in by four anti-tamper torx style bolts. The same type is used<https://www.dropbox.com/s/rkypq4hlcdgasfu/MetroSideDoorEmergency.jpg?dl=0> >>
on other parts of the trim, such as here (Sorry about the focus).
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/0nb908cnp0g21eu/MetroTorx.jpg?dl=0>
I think if one removes the panel, one will gain access to the release >>mechanism, and the control centre won't have any say in it. One might
want to have a tool that allows a decent torque to be applied, since one >>doesn't know how hard they've been done up.
Note the "Authorisation required." I don't think these people have the >>remotest idea what an emergency is. There's supposed to be a timer that >>releases the doors if the control centre does not act, but there's
nothing to tell passengers that, so they might wait until they die from >>the smoke inhalation or fire that made them operate the handle in the >>first place.
On the railway aspect of things, the "pantograph" involves a rigid >>aluminium (I presume) bar rather than the conventional cable. See
https://www.dropbox.com/s/46319edudjjkgf1/MetroPantograph.jpg?dl=0
Presumably it is mounted to move from side to side relative to the train >>as the train moves, though I didn't think to check that.
Stuff getting stuck in the slot that the doors run in could stop the
doors from closing, and take the train out of service. It seems an >>unnecessary flaw.
The announcements kept saying "This metro train ends at Chatswood",
which was clearly wrong, since the train ends at the back. Why they >>couldn't say "metro service" escapes me.
Just accept that young people today did not receive the education that we did.
They cannot help seeming stupid.
On Mon, 15 Jul 2019 23:17:29 GMT, johnsuth@nospam.com.au wrote:
In <got8kjFh36gU1@mid.individual.net>, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> writes:
On 30/05/2019 1:36 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
As with other trains in NSW, the Metro doors lock while the train is
moving, and the emergency door release has a built in delay and is
subject to being overridden by a person sitting safely somewhere in an >>>> office, who will probably be so indoctrinated with the containment
policy that they won't allow the doors to open until they've received >>>> authorisation from a manager. They may have to have a meeting about it >>>> first.
The absence of doors between the carriages makes the risk associated
with fire even greater than on other trains because escaping to a
different carriage will achieve little.
I suggest the acquisition of one of these
https://www.bosch-pt.com.au/au/en/products/gws-12v-76-06019F2000
At less than a kilogram, it will be quite practical to carry one while >>>> travelling. Just remember to charge it from time to time.
I've yet to travel on the Metro, so I haven't determined the best point >>>> of attack.
Sylvia.
I went on the Metro today, sans angle-grinder, so taking my life into my >>>hands.
The doors run along a slot in the floor, so the 'vulnerability' other >>>NSW trains have of being weak at the base where the doors come together >>>does not exist. Indeed it would take quite a lot of cutting to get >>>through one of these doors.
However the emergency door release access panel
is held in by four anti-tamper torx style bolts. The same type is used >>>on other parts of the trim, such as here (Sorry about the focus).<https://www.dropbox.com/s/rkypq4hlcdgasfu/MetroSideDoorEmergency.jpg?dl=0> >>>
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/0nb908cnp0g21eu/MetroTorx.jpg?dl=0>
I think if one removes the panel, one will gain access to the release >>>mechanism, and the control centre won't have any say in it. One might >>>want to have a tool that allows a decent torque to be applied, since one >>>doesn't know how hard they've been done up.
Note the "Authorisation required." I don't think these people have the >>>remotest idea what an emergency is. There's supposed to be a timer that >>>releases the doors if the control centre does not act, but there's >>>nothing to tell passengers that, so they might wait until they die from >>>the smoke inhalation or fire that made them operate the handle in the >>>first place.
On the railway aspect of things, the "pantograph" involves a rigid >>>aluminium (I presume) bar rather than the conventional cable. See
https://www.dropbox.com/s/46319edudjjkgf1/MetroPantograph.jpg?dl=0
Presumably it is mounted to move from side to side relative to the train >>>as the train moves, though I didn't think to check that.
Stuff getting stuck in the slot that the doors run in could stop the >>>doors from closing, and take the train out of service. It seems an >>>unnecessary flaw.
The announcements kept saying "This metro train ends at Chatswood", >>>which was clearly wrong, since the train ends at the back. Why they >>>couldn't say "metro service" escapes me.
Just accept that young people today did not receive the education that we did.
They cannot help seeming stupid.
Especially when they walk around all day with their faces glued to
their iGadgets.
Is there anywhere else in the world where the emergency handle in a
train does NOT allow the doors to be opened?
Sylvia.
Is there anywhere else in the world where the emergency
handle in a train does NOT allow the doors to be opened?
On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 23:48:34 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:
Is there anywhere else in the world where the emergency handle in a
train does NOT allow the doors to be opened?
Sylvia.
How many times have there been a need to open a door for a emergency
on Sydney Metro?
I think it's none in the last 40 years?
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
Is there anywhere else in the world where the emergency handle in a
train does NOT allow the doors to be opened?
Yep. plenty of places when the train is still moving.
Most new trains will not release the doors when the train is going over a certain speed. The driver has to respond to the alarm by bringing the train to a halt in a safe place. (i.e not on a bridge!).
I have a vague recollection that other systems also have control room overrides - it may be the unattended ATO lines in Singapore. They want the option to take remote control and drive the train to the next station where any incident is far easier to deal with. The moment an actual door is opened, the traction inlock will cut in and the train won't be able to be moved and then they have to deal with the problem in a tunnel with a long walk to the nearest exit.
On 8/08/2019 7:40 pm, Matthew Geier wrote:
Most new trains will not release the doors when the train is going over a certain speed. The driver has to respond to the alarm by bringing the train to a halt in a safe place. (i.e not on a bridge!).
I have a vague recollection that other systems also have control room overrides - it may be the unattended ATO lines in Singapore. They want the option to take remote control and drive the train to the next station where any incident is far easier to deal with. The moment an actual door is opened, the traction inlock will cut in and the train won't be able to be moved and then they have to deal with the problem in a tunnel with a long walk to the nearest exit.
Wouldn't surprise me. Singapore would have to be one of the few statesAnd I thought the UK was bad!
that is nannier than Australia.
Sylvia.
On Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:13:51 UTC+1, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 8/08/2019 7:40 pm, Matthew Geier wrote:
Most new trains will not release the doors when the train is going over a certain speed. The driver has to respond to the alarm by bringing the train to a halt in a safe place. (i.e not on a bridge!).
I have a vague recollection that other systems also have control room overrides - it may be the unattended ATO lines in Singapore. They want the option to take remote control and drive the train to the next station where any incident is far easier to deal with. The moment an actual door is opened, the traction inlock will cut in and the train won't be able to be moved and then they have to deal with the problem in a tunnel with a long walk to the nearest exit.
Wouldn't surprise me. Singapore would have to be one of the few states
that is nannier than Australia.
Sylvia.
And I thought the UK was bad!
On 23/10/2019 10:25 am, Marcus Potter wrote:
On Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:13:51 UTC+1, Sylvia Else wrote:The puzzle is how the ultra-laid-back country of Australia managed to
On 8/08/2019 7:40 pm, Matthew Geier wrote:
Most new trains will not release the doors when the train is goingWouldn't surprise me. Singapore would have to be one of the few states
over a certain speed. The driver has to respond to the alarm by
bringing the train to a halt in a safe place. (i.e not on a bridge!).
I have a vague recollection that other systems also have control room
overrides - it may be the unattended ATO lines in Singapore. They
want the option to take remote control and drive the train to the
next station where any incident is far easier to deal with. The
moment an actual door is opened, the traction inlock will cut in and
the train won't be able to be moved and then they have to deal with
the problem in a tunnel with a long walk to the nearest exit.
that is nannier than Australia.
Sylvia.
And I thought the UK was bad!
morph into what it is now.
On 23/10/2019 10:25 am, Marcus Potter wrote:
On Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:13:51 UTC+1, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 8/08/2019 7:40 pm, Matthew Geier wrote:
Most new trains will not release the doors when the train is going over a certain speed. The driver has to respond to the alarm by bringing the train to a halt in a safe place. (i.e not on a bridge!).
I have a vague recollection that other systems also have control room overrides - it may be the unattended ATO lines in Singapore. They want the option to take remote control and drive the train to the next station where any incident is far easier to deal with. The moment an actual door is opened, the traction inlock will cut in and the train won't be able to be moved and then they have to deal with the problem in a tunnel with a long walk to the nearest exit.
Wouldn't surprise me. Singapore would have to be one of the few states
that is nannier than Australia.
Sylvia.
And I thought the UK was bad!
The puzzle is how the ultra-laid-back country of Australia managed toSame as the UK. I think we were quite laid-back back in the day, then things got pretty bad starting (roughly) in the 1970s.
morph into what it is now.
Sylvia.
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