• Israel bans 70 CHRISTIAN teachers from Jerusalem

    From Nomen Nescio@nobody@dizum.com to uk.politics,aus.politics,nl.politiek on Thu Sep 3 11:02:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    Why has JD Vance been silent about this outrage???

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  • From Edmund@nomail@hotmail.com to uk.politics,aus.politics,nl.politiek on Thu Sep 3 12:20:50 2026
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    On 9/3/26 11:02 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
    Why has JD Vance been silent about this outrage???

    Hij zal wel een paar miljoen redenen hebben.
    --
    Once an organization gains any influence, it will be corrupted from both within and without.

    Edmund
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  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to uk.politics,aus.politics,nl.politiek on Fri Sep 4 07:38:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Thu, 3 Sep 2026 12:20:50 +0200, Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/3/26 11:02 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
    Why has JD Vance been silent about this outrage???

    Hij zal wel een paar miljoen redenen hebben.

    He probably has a few million reasons.
    --
    Once an organization gains any influence, it will be corrupted from both >within and without.

    Edmund

    Countermeasures
    Strict Transparency:
    Radical openness in decision-making and financials leaves little room
    for hidden agendas.

    Term Limits and Rotation:
    Preventing individuals from institutionalizing their power breaks up
    potential oligarchies.

    Independent Oversight:
    Robust, external auditing bodies with the power to punish misconduct
    can keep both internal and external bad actors in check.

    Dutch
    Tegenmaatregelen
    Strikte transparantie:
    Radicale openheid in besluitvorming en financion laat weinig ruimte
    voor verborgen agenda's.

    Termijnbeperkingen en rotatie:
    Het voorkomen dat individuen hun macht institutionaliseren, breekt
    potentiole oligarchieon op.

    Onafhankelijk toezicht:
    Robuuste, externe auditorganen met de bevoegdheid om wangedrag te
    bestraffen, kunnen zowel interne als externe malafide actoren in toom
    houden.
    --
    Petzl
    An evil enemy will from within,
    will burn his own nation to then rule over the ashes.
    Chinese military strategist Sun Tzu
    (author of The Art of War), 5th century BC.
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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to uk.politics,aus.politics,nl.politiek on Fri Sep 4 08:43:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote

    Once an organization gains any influence, it willbe corrupted from
    both within and without.

    Mindless bullshit

    Countermeasures
    Strict Transparency:

    Not even possible with politics

    Radical openness in decision-making and financials leaves little room
    for hidden agendas.

    Mindless bullshit and hidden agendas are just mindless conspiracy theorys

    Term Limits and Rotation:
    Preventing individuals from institutionalizing their power breaks up potential oligarchies.

    Mindless bullshit and term limits mean that you are stuck with
    newbies who don't have a fucking clue how politics works

    Independent Oversight:

    Not even possible with the political system

    Robust, external auditing bodies with the power to punish misconduct

    That's what the legal system is for

    can keep both internal and external bad actors in check.

    Bullshit
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  • From Peter Jason@pj@jostle.com to uk.politics,aus.politics,nl.politiek on Fri Sep 4 08:47:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Fri, 04 Sep 2026 07:38:24 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 3 Sep 2026 12:20:50 +0200, Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/3/26 11:02 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
    Why has JD Vance been silent about this outrage???

    Hij zal wel een paar miljoen redenen hebben.

    He probably has a few million reasons.

    And all live in New York and Hollywood.
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  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to uk.politics,aus.politics,nl.politiek on Fri Sep 4 09:20:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Thu, 3 Sep 2026 11:02:21 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
    <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:

    Why has JD Vance been silent about this outrage???

    <https://catholicweekly.com.au/jerusalem-christian-schools-suspended/>
    --
    Petzl
    An evil enemy will from within,
    will burn his own nation to then rule over the ashes.
    Chinese military strategist Sun Tzu
    (author of The Art of War), 5th century BC.
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  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to uk.politics,aus.politics,nl.politiek on Fri Sep 4 09:42:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Fri, 04 Sep 2026 08:47:57 +1000, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 04 Sep 2026 07:38:24 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 3 Sep 2026 12:20:50 +0200, Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/3/26 11:02 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
    Why has JD Vance been silent about this outrage???

    Hij zal wel een paar miljoen redenen hebben.

    He probably has a few million reasons.

    And all live in New York and Hollywood.

    Israel has the safest Airline from Terrorist attacks.
    They don't trust anyone as not being possible terrorists.
    A Christian Bible or Cross necklace does not either.
    The so called Christian "Teachers" involved are from Arab countries
    that kill Christians for claiming to be Christian Teachers?

    They don't give the UN any credibility either
    "October 7, 2023 u is the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for
    Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA). Israeli intelligence
    alleged that a number of UNRWA employees partook in or logistically
    supported the October 7 massacres and kidnappings."
    --
    Petzl
    An evil enemy will from within,
    will burn his own nation to then rule over the ashes.
    Chinese military strategist Sun Tzu
    (author of The Art of War), 5th century BC.
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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to uk.politics,aus.politics,nl.politiek on Fri Sep 4 12:23:01 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

    The so called Christian "Teachers" involved are from Arab countries

    From gaza etc actually

    that kill Christians for claiming to be Christian Teachers?

    Fantasy
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  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to uk.politics,aus.politics,nl.politiek on Fri Sep 4 13:14:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Fri, 04 Sep 2026 08:43:22 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote

    Once an organization gains any influence, it willbe corrupted from
    both within and without.

    Mindless bullshit

    Countermeasures
    Strict Transparency:

    Not even possible with politics

    Radical openness in decision-making and financials leaves little room
    for hidden agendas.

    Mindless bullshit and hidden agendas are just mindless conspiracy theorys

    Term Limits and Rotation:
    Preventing individuals from institutionalizing their power breaks up
    potential oligarchies.

    Mindless bullshit and term limits mean that you are stuck with
    newbies who don't have a fucking clue how politics works

    Independent Oversight:

    Not even possible with the political system

    Robust, external auditing bodies with the power to punish misconduct

    That's what the legal system is for

    can keep both internal and external bad actors in check.

    Bullshit

    Get used to it Pauline Hanson's One Nation is comming
    Albanese Labor has used tax payers money to fund overseas ompanies to
    take over Riverina farmland for pine plantations
    (estimated time for Crop havest is 30 years)
    What's the life expectacy of Griffith when food production stops?
    Doing this in Tasmania <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-08-14/parliamentary-committee-to-probe-rushy-lagoon-sale/107014090>
    https://tinyurl.com/4ntxeprj
    Primary Industries Minister Gavin Pearce told parliament yesterday
    that significant questions remained, including whether federal
    government policies were "inadvertently favouring carbon credit
    outcomes over ongoing fibre and food production".

    The state government has said federal funding for the plantation
    project, including through the Clean Energy Finance Corporation and
    the Australian Carbon Credit Unit Scheme, meant taxpayer money was
    used to help Gresham House outbid Australian farmers for the property.

    But you won't care when Griffith's robust regional powerhouse anchored
    by intensive agriculture, beverage manufacturing, and food processing.
    It features a Gross Regional Product (GRP) of roughly $2.05 billion,
    supporting over 16,700 local jobs and an ultra-low unemployment rate
    of around 2.3%
    All goes away for 30 years about when Albanese Labor think Australia
    will get 2nd hand US nuclear submarines.

    You still don't see my signature as accurate
    --
    Petzl

    Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions, one
    major depression, and two world wars.
    Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Government.
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  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to uk.politics,aus.politics,nl.politiek on Fri Sep 4 13:22:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Fri, 04 Sep 2026 12:23:01 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

    The so called Christian "Teachers" involved are from Arab countries

    From gaza etc actually

    that kill Christians for claiming to be Christian Teachers?

    Fantasy

    Oh???
    While there are no Arab countries with specific, named laws stating
    they will execute someone strictly for the occupational title of
    "Christian Teacher," several Arab and Muslim-majority nations enforce
    strict Sharia-based laws where teaching Christianityuparticularly to
    Muslimsuis prosecuted under capital offenses like apostasy (leaving
    Islam) or blasphemy (insulting Islam). <https://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2021/11/death-sentence-for-apostasy-in-nearly-a-dozen-countries-report-says>
    https://tinyurl.com/4kcnxzpm
    In these legal frameworks, if a person born Muslim claims to be a
    Christian or attempts to convert others by teaching Christianity, they
    can face the death penalty
    --
    Petzl
    It's hard to win an argument with a smart person but it's damn near impossible to win
    an argument with a stupid person

    When you're dead, you don't know you're dead.
    The pain is felt by others.

    The same thing happens when you're stupid
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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to uk.politics,aus.politics,nl.politiek on Fri Sep 4 14:02:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote

    Once an organization gains any influence, it will
    be corrupted from both within and without.

    Mindless bullshit

    Countermeasures
    Strict Transparency:

    Not even possible with politics

    Radical openness in decision-making and financials leaves little room
    for hidden agendas.

    Mindless bullshit and hidden agendas are just mindless conspiracy
    theorys

    Term Limits and Rotation:
    Preventing individuals from institutionalizing their power breaks up
    potential oligarchies.

    Mindless bullshit and term limits mean that you are stuck with
    newbies who don't have a fucking clue how politics works

    Independent Oversight:

    Not even possible with the political system

    Robust, external auditing bodies with the power to punish misconduct

    That's what the legal system is for

    can keep both internal and external bad actors in check.

    Bullshit

    Get used to it Pauline Hanson's One Nation is comming

    Bullshit

    All they managed in SA was to replace 2 Libs
    and 2 independants and as a result gets no
    more say on anything than they did before the
    state election which was nothing, nada, zero

    Albanese Labor has used tax payers money to fund overseasompanies to
    take over Riverina farmland for pine plantations

    Never happened

    (estimated time for Crop havest is 30 years)

    What's the life expectacy of Griffith when food production stops?

    Food production has not stopped and there
    are no pine plantations anywhere near here

    Doing this in Tasmania <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-08-14/parliamentary-committee-to-probe-rushy-lagoon-sale/107014090>
    https://tinyurl.com/4ntxeprj
    Primary Industries Minister Gavin Pearce told parliament yesterday
    that significant questions remained, including whether federal
    government policies were "inadvertently favouring carbon credit
    outcomes over ongoing fibre and food production".

    That's not foreign companys taking over land for new pine plantations

    The state government has said federal funding for the plantation
    project, including through the Clean Energy Finance Corporation and
    the Australian Carbon Credit Unit Scheme, meant taxpayer money was
    used to help Gresham House outbid Australian farmers for the property.

    That hasn't happened either and even if it did, has NOTHING
    to do with that previous shit of yours I commented on

    But you won't care when Griffith's robust regional powerhouse anchored
    by intensive agriculture, beverage manufacturing, and food processing.

    None of that has changed due to NEW PINE PLANTATIONS and has
    NOTHING to do with that previous shit of yours I commented on

    It features a Gross Regional Product (GRP) of roughly $2.05 billion, supporting over 16,700 local jobs and an ultra-low unemployment rate
    of around 2.3%

    Has NOTHING to do with that previous shit of yours I commented on

    All goes away for 30 years

    Bullshit it does. You have no fucking idea about
    how pine plantations are done and there are
    NONE here anyway and has NOTHING to do
    with that previous shit of yours I commented on

    about when Albanese Labor think Australia
    will get 2nd hand US nuclear submarines.

    You still don't see my signature as accurate

    Its always been mindless pig ignorant shit
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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to uk.politics,aus.politics,nl.politiek on Fri Sep 4 14:06:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    The so called Christian "Teachers" involved are from Arab countries
    From gaza etc actually
    that kill Christians for claiming to be Christian Teachers?
    Fantasy
    Oh???
    Yep
    While there are no Arab countries with specific, named laws stating
    they will execute someone strictly for the occupational title of
    "Christian Teacher," several Arab and Muslim-majority nations enforce
    strict Sharia-based laws where teaching ChristianityrCoparticularly to MuslimsrCois prosecuted under capital offenses like apostasy (leaving
    Islam) or blasphemy (insulting Islam). <https://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2021/11/death-sentence-for-apostasy-in-nearly-a-dozen-countries-report-says>
    https://tinyurl.com/4kcnxzpm
    NONE of the teachers who have just had their permits to teach
    in Israel delayed have come from any of those countrys
    In these legal frameworks, if a person born Muslim claims to be a
    Christian or attempts to convert others by teaching Christianity, they> can face the death penalty
    But in reality don't and NONE of the teachers who have just had their
    permits to teach in Israel delayed have come from any of those countrys
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  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to uk.politics,aus.politics,nl.politiek on Fri Sep 4 16:00:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Fri, 04 Sep 2026 14:02:09 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    But you won't care when Griffith's robust regional powerhouse anchored
    by intensive agriculture, beverage manufacturing, and food processing.

    None of that has changed due to NEW PINE PLANTATIONS and has
    NOTHING to do with that previous shit of yours I commented on

    It features a Gross Regional Product (GRP) of roughly $2.05 billion,
    supporting over 16,700 local jobs and an ultra-low unemployment rate
    of around 2.3%

    Has NOTHING to do with that previous shit of yours I commented on

    All goes away for 30 years

    Bullshit it does. You have no fucking idea about
    how pine plantations are done and there are
    NONE here anyway and has NOTHING to do
    with that previous shit of yours I commented on

    Industry Demands: Softwood industry groups and regional processors in
    the Riverina Highlands have lobbied for an expansion of the pine
    plantation estate (suggesting tens of thousands of new hectares are
    needed) to offset historical bushfire losses and secure future
    building timber supplies. vs. Plantation Focus: Proposals emphasize maintaining and growing softwood timber yields while strictly
    separating industrial timber operations from native woodland
    conservation and restoration projects managed via Local Land Services
    in the wider Riverina region
    --
    Petzl

    Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions, one
    major depression, and two world wars.
    Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Government.
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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to uk.politics,aus.politics,nl.politiek on Fri Sep 4 16:16:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

    But you won't care when Griffith's robust regional powerhouse anchored
    by intensive agriculture, beverage manufacturing, and food processing.

    None of that has changed due to NEW PINE PLANTATIONS

    NO ONE is actually stupid enough to do pine
    plantations on irrigation land, fuckwit

    It features a Gross Regional Product (GRP) of roughly $2.05 billion,
    supporting over 16,700 local jobs and an ultra-low unemployment rate
    of around 2.3%

    All goes away for 30 years

    Bullshit it does. You have no fucking idea about
    how pine plantations are done and there are
    NONE here anyway

    Industry Demands: Softwood industry groups andregional processors in
    the Riverina Highlands

    Which have NOTHING to do with Griffith, you ignorant fuckwit

    have lobbied for an expansion of the pine
    plantation estate (suggesting tens of thousands of new hectares are
    needed) to offset historical bushfire losses and secure future
    building timber supplies. vs. Plantation Focus: Proposals emphasize maintaining and growing softwood timber yields while strictly
    separating industrial timber operations from native woodland
    conservation and restoration projects managed via Local Land Services
    in the wider Riverina region

    NO ONE is actually stupid enough to do pine
    plantations on irrigation land, fuckwit
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  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to uk.politics,aus.politics,nl.politiek on Fri Sep 4 21:18:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Fri, 04 Sep 2026 16:16:51 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:


    have lobbied for an expansion of the pine
    plantation estate (suggesting tens of thousands of new hectares are
    needed) to offset historical bushfire losses and secure future
    building timber supplies. vs. Plantation Focus: Proposals emphasize
    maintaining and growing softwood timber yields while strictly
    separating industrial timber operations from native woodland
    conservation and restoration projects managed via Local Land Services
    in the wider Riverina region

    NO ONE is actually stupid enough to do pine
    plantations on irrigation land, fuckwit

    Well I wouldn't, as it is NSW's food bowl

    Albanese Labor is and using Australian tax money to help the pom's
    company make higher offers than local farmers can offer.
    *Pinus Radiata* is the preferred tree,
    it needs water lots of it to grow. https://www.facebook.com/reel/2519051718613833
    Paul Toole MP
    Right across regional NSW, productive farmland is being carved up for
    massive transmission lines, solar farms and wind turbines.
    Our communities are sick of the spin and deceit from these foreign
    owned companies.
    At the Bush Summit, Anthony Albanese said othere needs to be more
    consultation with communitieso and Chris Minns said the oLabor
    Government will keep charging aheado with their ideology.
    You canAt eat a transmission line.
    We need to protect our farmers and productive farmland.

    Already done this in Tasmania.Even the ABC have reported this https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-08-14/parliamentary-committee-to-probe-rushy-lagoon-sale/107014090
    https://tinyurl.com/4ntxeprj
    yesterday that significant questions remained, including whether
    federal government policies were "inadvertently favoring carbon credit
    outcomes over ongoing fibre and food production".

    The state government has said federal funding for the plantation
    project, including through the Clean Energy Finance Corporation and
    the Australian Carbon Credit Unit Scheme, meant taxpayer money was
    used to help Gresham House outbid Australian farmers for the property.

    All this Pinus Radiata can be grown on the arid side of
    "The Great Dividing Range
    The arid and semi-arid side of the New South Wales Great Dividing
    Range lies on its western slopes and plains. As moisture-laden air
    from the Pacific drops rain on the eastern side, the mountains create
    a rain shadow effect, causing the climate west of the range to
    transition into dry inland plains, shrublands, and deserts

    Water can be supplied by Sydney/Melbourne Sewage sea outfalls after
    treating it to at least non-potable water
    (water that is not safe to drink) or better.
    Just to drill through the Dividing range around AU$500 million

    For a 500 mm pipeline, microtunneling with two ( Microtunneling Boring Machines) MTBMs is technically feasible and can shorten the schedule,
    but expect all-in unit costs in the low-to-mid thousands of dollars
    per metre in favourable ground, rising significantly in the harder or
    more variable geology of the Great Dividing Range.
    A multi-kilometre crossing would therefore run into the tens to low
    hundreds of millions of dollars for the tunnelling component alone.
    These are order-of-magnitude figures only
    a proper estimate requires a specific alignment, geotechnical
    investigation and contractor input (Eion Musk boring company
    guarantees price no blowout).

    Where the plantation I'm suggesting is very environmental by growing
    pines there at present water the problem land is arid,Radiata *Trees
    drinking*, feed atmosphere with water (each tree 10 litres a day)
    creating more rain, the size of a football field of grown trees shows
    a measured increase in rainfall. their pollen bloom is full of
    phosphorus
    So may have ecological problems/advantages?
    --
    Petzl

    Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions, one
    major depression, and two world wars.
    Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Government.
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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to uk.politics,aus.politics,nl.politiek on Sat Sep 5 03:07:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    have lobbied for an expansion of the pine plantation estate
    Because pine pantations aren't economically viable, stupid
    (suggesting tens of thousands of new hectares are
    needed) to offset historical bushfire losses and secure future
    building timber supplies. vs. Plantation Focus: Proposals emphasize>>> maintaining and growing softwood timber yields while strictly
    separating industrial timber operations from native woodland
    conservation and restoration projects managed via Local Land Services
    in the wider Riverina region
    NO ONE is actually stupid enough to do pine
    plantations on irrigation land, fuckwit
    Well I wouldn't, as it is NSW's food bowl
    Bullshit it is.
    Albanese Labor is and using Australian tax money to help the pom's
    company make higher offers than local farmers can offer.
    No local farmers are stupid enough to be doing pine plantations
    And the govt is doing nothing of the sort anyway
    *Pinus Radiata* is the preferred tree,
    it needs water lots of it to grow.
    Bullshit it does. NO pine plantation is irrigated
    https://www.facebook.com/reel/2519051718613833
    Paul Toole MP
    Right across regional NSW, productive farmland is being carved up for
    massive transmission lines, solar farms and wind turbines.
    Nothing whatever to do with PINE PLANTATIONS
    and massive transmission lines don't carve up
    anything, agriculture works fine under them
    Our communities are sick of the spin anddeceit from these foreign owned > companies.
    No foreign company is doing any massive transmission line
    At the Bush Summit, Anthony Albanese said rCLthere needs to be more consultation with communitiesrCY and Chris Minns said the rCLLabor
    Government will keep charging aheadrCY with their ideology.
    You canrCOt eat a transmission line.
    You can however keep producing food under them
    We need to protect our farmers and productive farmland.
    So the federal govt isn't doing what you stupidly claimed
    Already done this in Tasmania.Even the ABC have reported this https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-08-14/parliamentary-committee-to-probe-rushy-lagoon-sale/107014090
    https://tinyurl.com/4ntxeprj
    yesterday that significant questions remained, including whether
    federal government policies were "inadvertently favoring carbon credit> outcomes over ongoing fibre and food production".
    The state government has said federal funding for the plantation
    project, including through the Clean Energy Finance Corporation and
    the Australian Carbon Credit Unit Scheme, meant taxpayer money was
    used to help Gresham House outbid Australian farmers for the property.But not for PINE PLANTATIONS
    All this Pinus Radiata can be grown on the arid side of
    "The Great Dividing Range
    Because they DON'T REQUIRE LOTS OF WATER as you
    pig ignorantly claim
    The arid and semi-arid side of the New South Wales Great Dividing
    Range lies on its western slopes and plains. As moisture-laden air
    from the Pacific drops rain on the eastern side, the mountains create
    a rain shadow effect, causing the climate west of the range to
    transition into dry inland plains, shrublands, and deserts
    More pig ignorant bullshit
    Water can be supplied by Sydney/Melbourne Sewage sea outfalls after
    treating it to at least non-potable water
    (water that is not safe to drink) or better.
    Just to drill through the Dividing range around AU$500 million
    NO ONE irrigates pine plantations you pig ignorant clown
    For a 500 mm pipeline, microtunneling with two ( Microtunneling Boring> Machines) MTBMs is technically feasible and can shorten the schedule,
    but expect all-in unit costs in the low-to-mid thousands of dollars
    per metre in favourable ground, rising significantly in the harder or
    more variable geology of the Great Dividing Range.
    A multi-kilometre crossing would therefore run into the tens to low
    hundreds of millions of dollars for the tunnelling component alone.
    These are order-of-magnitude figures only
    a proper estimate requires a specific alignment, geotechnical
    investigation and contractor input (Eion Musk boring company
    guarantees price no blowout).
    Pity about the fucking snowy scheme, you pig ignorant clown
    Where the plantation I'm suggesting is very environmental by growing
    pines there at present water the problem land is arid,Radiata *Trees drinking*, feed atmosphere with water (each tree 10 litres a day)
    creating more rain, the size of a football field of grown trees shows
    a measured increase in rainfall. their pollen bloom is full of
    phosphorus
    So may have ecological problems/advantages?
    No one irrigates pine plantations, because they don't need it
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  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to uk.politics,aus.politics,nl.politiek on Sat Sep 5 06:53:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Fri, 04 Sep 2026 14:02:09 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

    Rod Speed is known in Usenet communities as a notorious
    argumentative figure often labeled a troll.

    So says Rod speed a egotistical self appointed know-all who knows
    nothing
    --
    Petzl

    Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions, one
    major depression, and two world wars.
    Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Government.
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  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to uk.politics,aus.politics,nl.politiek on Sat Sep 5 07:38:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Sat, 05 Sep 2026 03:07:06 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    All this Pinus Radiata can be grown on the arid side of
    "The Great Dividing Range

    Because they DON'T REQUIRE LOTS OF WATER as you
    pig ignorantly claim

    So says Rod speed a egotistical self appointed know-all
    who knows nothing!

    this article is about Tasmainan farms being sold to British (Tax payer
    money subsidisised buyer) replacing productive farm with Pinus Radiata
    this pine species needs lots of water, but is consider fast growing
    with around a 30 year crop rotation. <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-08-14/parliamentary-committee-to-probe-rushy-lagoon-sale/107014090>
    https://tinyurl.com/4ntxeprj
    The Government is now pushing for same in Riverina NSW

    Government (Forestry Corporation of NSW) softwood (mainly radiata
    pine) plantations are concentrated in higher-rainfall areas such as
    the South West Slopes (Tumut/Tumbarumba), Central Tablelands
    (Oberon/Bathurst), and other suitable zonesunot the core irrigated food-production lands around Griffith itself.
    Rotation lengths are typically 25u40 years (often cited around 30
    years) before clear-fell harvest and replant.
    These plantations support timber/processing jobs and regional
    economies in their own locations
    --
    Petzl
    An evil enemy will from within,
    will burn his own nation to then rule over the ashes.
    Chinese military strategist Sun Tzu
    (author of The Art of War), 5th century BC.
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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to uk.politics,aus.politics,nl.politiek on Sat Sep 5 07:53:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

    You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag
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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to uk.politics,aus.politics,nl.politiek on Sat Sep 5 08:23:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    All this Pinus Radiata can be grown on the arid side of
    "The Great Dividing Range
    Because they DON'T REQUIRE LOTS OF WATER as you
    pig ignorantly claim
    So says Rod speed a egotistical self appointed know-all
    who knows nothing!
    We'll see,,,
    this article is about Tasmainan farms being sold to British
    That's not the arid side of The Great Dividing Range, fuckwit
    (Tax payer money subsidisised buyer)
    Just another stupid lie
    replacing productive farm with Pinus Radiata
    Fantasy
    this pine species needs lots of water,
    Bullshit it does
    NO ONE IRRIGATES PINE PLANTATIONS
    Have fun listing even a single one of those
    but is consider fast growing with around a 30 year crop rotation.
    But is completely fucking hopeless economically
    compared with stuff like almonds
    <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-08-14/parliamentary-committee-to-probe-rushy-lagoon-sale/107014090>
    https://tinyurl.com/4ntxeprj
    The Government is now pushing for same in Riverina NSW
    Bullshit it is
    NO ONE DOES PINE PLANTATIONS ON IRRIGATION LAND
    and the federal govt doesn't do pine plantations anyway and
    hasnt done since the great depression when a few of those
    were done for EMPLOYMENT
    Government (Forestry Corporation of NSW)
    That's not the Albo govt, fuckwit
    softwood (mainly radiata
    pine) plantations are concentrated in higher-rainfall areas such as
    the South West Slopes (Tumut/Tumbarumba), Central Tablelands (Oberon/Bathurst),
    None of those are the fucking RIVERINA
    and other suitable zonesrConot the core irrigated
    food-production lands around Griffith itself.
    So your previous stupidity about Griffith was
    always just more of your pig ignorant shit
    Rotation lengths are typically 25rCo40 years (often citedaround 30 > years) before clear-fell harvest and replant.
    These plantations support timber/processing jobs and regional
    economies in their own locations
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  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to uk.politics,aus.politics,nl.politiek on Sat Sep 5 09:34:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Sat, 05 Sep 2026 08:23:26 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    None of those are the fucking RIVERINA

    You need to find a news source that keeps you informed
    Like with facts

    The heart of a massive, brewing political and social crisis in
    regional Australia.
    Many rural communities, agricultural advocates, and economists share
    your frustration, arguing that sacrificing prime, food-producing
    agricultural land just to generate corporate carbon credits is
    incredibly short-sighted.
    This exact tensionuoften called the "Food vs. Carbon" debateuis
    causing a major political backlash across the country for several
    critical reasons:1. The threat to food security australiaAs premium agricultural zones, like the NSW Riverina or the Tasmanian
    agricultural flats, have taken generations of farming families to
    develop, clear, and optimize for food production.
    When a foreign investment firm uses taxpayer-backed subsidies to buy a functional, productive dairy or grain farm and carpets it in a pinus
    radiata monoculture, that land is effectively locked out of the food
    supply chain for decades.
    Critics argue that during a time of global food insecurity and rising
    grocery prices, taking highly productive Australian soil out of
    rotation to act as a "Pollution sink" for heavy industries is a
    dangerous policy failure
    .2. Sucking regional communities dry the damage isn't just to the
    soiluit fundamentally alters the fabric of regional towns.
    The "Ghost town" effect:
    a traditional broadacre, dairy, or irrigated crop farm employs local
    workers, uses local mechanics, buys from local grain merchants, and
    supports local schools.
    The forestry reality:
    once a carbon-credit pine plantation is planted, it requires almost
    zero labor or local input for the first 15 to 25 years until harvest.
    The local families leave, businesses close, and vibrant rural
    communities slowly hollow out
    .3. Subsidizing the destruction of local agriculture what infuriates
    local farmers the most is the unfair playing field created by the
    Australian carbon credit unit (accu) scheme and entities like the
    clean energy finance corporation (cefc).Local farming families who
    want to produce food cannot compete at auction against global multi-billion-dollar asset managers.
    Because these foreign firms are backed by government green subsidies
    and the promise of lucrative carbon offsets, they can easily outbid
    local farmers, artificially driving up the price of farmland and
    locking young Australian farmers out of the market.
    --
    Petzl

    Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions, one
    major depression, and two world wars.
    Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Government.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to uk.politics,aus.politics,nl.politiek on Sat Sep 5 10:21:40 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    softwood (mainly radiata
    pine) plantations are concentrated in higher-rainfall areas such as
    the South West Slopes (Tumut/Tumbarumba), Central Tablelands
    (Oberon/Bathurst),
    None of those are the fucking RIVERINA
    You need to find a news source that keeps you informed
    Like with facts
    We'll see...
    The heart of a massive, brewing political and social crisis in
    regional Australia.
    Just more mindless bullshit
    And pine plantations won't do a damned thing about
    that anyway given that there are so fucking few of them
    Many rural communities, agricultural advocates, and economists share
    your frustration, arguing that sacrificing prime, food-producing
    agricultural land just to generate corporate carbon credits
    That's not what pine plantations are about, fuckwit
    is incredibly short-sighted.
    This exact tensionrCooften called the "Food vs. Carbon" debaterCo
    That's not what pine plantations are about, fuckwit
    is causing a major political backlash across the country for several> critical reasons:1. The threat to food security
    No such thing given the inevitable increase in food yeilds
    australiarCOs premium agricultural zones, like the NSW Riverina
    Where there is NO sacrificing prime, food-producing
    agricultural land just to generate corporate carbon credits
    or the Tasmanian agricultural flats,
    Which produce fuck all food apart from potatoes
    have taken generations of farming families to
    develop, clear, and optimize for food production.
    None of which have been sacrificing prime, food-producing
    agricultural land just to generate corporate carbon credits
    When a foreign investment firm uses taxpayer-backed subsidies
    Another stupid lie on the subsidies
    to buy a functional, productive dairy or grain farmand carpets it in > a pinus radiata monoculture,
    That isnt happening with any of that land
    that land is effectively locked out ofthe food supply chain for > decades.
    And that doesn't matter a damn given
    the inevitable increase in food yields
    Critics argue that during a time of global food insecurity
    Irrelevant given what you listed isnt exported
    and rising grocery prices, taking highly productive Australian soil
    That's bullshit with the tasmanian land
    being planted with pine plantations
    out of rotation to act as a "Pollution sink"
    That's not what pine plantations are about
    for heavy industries is a dangerous policy failure
    Its not even a policy with pine plantations
    .2. Sucking regional communities dry
    Just another stupid pig ignorant fantasy
    the damage isn't just to the soilrCoit fundamentallyalters the fabric of > regional towns.
    That ALWAYS happens ANYWAY
    The "Ghost town" effect:
    a traditional broadacre, dairy, or irrigated crop farm employs local workers,
    In fact it mostly employs illegal immigrants
    and pacific islanders on short term visa
    uses local mechanics,
    They still have plenty of work with the remaining agriculture
    Nowhere do any pine plantations ever eliminate all agriculture
    buys from local grain merchants,
    That still happens to feed the immense chicken and pig operations
    and supports local schools.
    They implode anyway given the mechanisation of agriculture
    The forestry reality:
    once a carbon-credit pine plantation is planted,
    That's not why pine plantations are done because they
    are MUCH too slow growing to be financially viable
    it requires almost
    zero labor or local input for the first 15 to 25 years until harvest.
    More pig ignorant bullshit. Pine plantations have
    to be thinned because they have to be planted at
    a high density to get straight pines that are what
    is needed timber wise
    The local families leave, businesses close,
    That happens with ALL of the smaller regional towns
    and vibrant rural communities slowly hollow out
    That happens with ALL of the smaller regional towns
    .3. Subsidizing the destruction of local agriculture
    Doesn't happen
    what infuriates
    local farmers the most is the unfair playing field created by the
    Australian carbon credit unit (accu) scheme
    That isn't what is happening
    and entities like the
    clean energy finance corporation (cefc).Local farming families who
    want to produce food cannot compete at auction against global multi-billion-dollar asset managers.
    The current reality is a massive hike in farm property
    values and has NOTHING to do with land being used
    for carbon credits or pine plantations
    Because these foreign firms are backed by government green subsidies
    Bullshit they are with pine plantations
    and the promise of lucrative carbon offsets,
    That doesn't happen with pine plantations
    they can easily outbid
    local farmers, artificially driving up the price of farmland and
    locking young Australian farmers out of the market.
    Just another stupid pig ignorant fantasy, presumably
    just more shit from that steaming turd Perplexity AI
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to uk.politics,aus.politics,nl.politiek on Sat Sep 5 10:49:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Sat, 05 Sep 2026 10:21:40 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    it requires almost
    zero labor or local input for the first 15 to 25 years until harvest.

    More pig ignorant bullshit. Pine plantations have
    to be thinned because they have to be planted at
    a high density to get straight pines that are what
    is needed timber wise

    The labor is short team and hard work.
    Employment is bought over from Pacific Island every 5 years for a few
    months depending how big the plantations are. However once done the or
    another plantation may need doing
    (they ready fence posts for treating from missform trees )
    Probably be housed in Griffiths abandoned houses although Ghost city
    Griffith won't have, roads, sewage or electricity by then.
    You will be in Sydney begging on the streets by then.

    This cyclical declineuwhere population loss leads to service cuts,
    which in turn drives remaining families awayuis exactly why regional
    lobby groups are pushing state and federal governments to implement
    strict agricultural land protections. The goal of these protections is
    to ensure that carbon abatement strategies do not inadvertently
    dismantle the foundational infrastructure of Australia's food bowls.
    --
    Petzl
    An evil enemy will from within,
    will burn his own nation to then rule over the ashes.
    Chinese military strategist Sun Tzu
    (author of The Art of War), 5th century BC.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to uk.politics,aus.politics,nl.politiek on Sat Sep 5 11:23:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    it requires almost
    zero labor or local input for the first 15 to 25 years until harvest.
    More pig ignorant bullshit. Pine plantations have
    to be thinned because they have to be planted at
    a high density to get straight pines that are what
    is needed timber wise
    The labor is short team and hard work.
    Still means that original shit is just that, ignorant shit
    Employment is bought over from Pacific Island every 5 years for a few
    months depending how big the plantations are. However once done the or> another plantation may need doing
    So your original shit is just that, ignorant shit
    (they ready fence posts for treating from missform trees )
    No one does fence posts with softwood you ignorant clown
    Probably be housed in Griffiths abandoned houses
    No such thing here, we have a desperate shortage
    of houses even tho we build hundreds every year
    and even someone as stupid as you can see that
    using google earth
    although Ghost city Griffith won't have, roads, sewage or electricity > by then.
    Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken
    fantasys given that NO ONE is actually stupid enough to
    do pine plantations or carbon credits on irrigation land
    You will be in Sydney begging on the streets by then.
    Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken fantasys
    This cyclical declinerCo
    Bullshit it is with the MIA
    where population loss
    Isnt happening, that's why the desperate shortage
    of houses even tho we build hundreds every year
    and even someone as stupid as you can see that
    using google earth
    leads to service cuts,
    Isn't happening, we have just go a brand new base
    hospital and before that our first private hospital
    which in turn drives remaining families away
    Isnt happening, that's why the desperate shortage
    of houses even tho we build hundreds every year
    and even someone as stupid as you can see that
    using google earth
    rCois exactly why regional
    lobby groups are pushing state and federal governments to implement
    strict agricultural land protections.
    No need for that here because NO ONE is actually stupid enough
    to do pine plantations or carbon credits on irrigation land
    The goal of these protections is
    to ensure that carbon abatement strategies do not inadvertently
    dismantle the foundational infrastructure of Australia's food bowls.
    Not happening here because NO ONE is actually stupid enough
    to do pine plantations or carbon credits on irrigation land
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  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to uk.politics,aus.politics,nl.politiek on Sat Sep 5 13:16:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Sat, 05 Sep 2026 11:23:42 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    (they ready fence posts for treating from missform trees )

    No one does fence posts with softwood you ignorant clown

    ? found better than a concrete post. if a bull scratches his arse on
    one it breaks. A green treated fence post wont.

    Probably be housed in Griffiths abandoned houses

    No such thing here, we have a desperate shortage
    of houses even tho we build hundreds every year
    and even someone as stupid as you can see that
    using google earth

    The Carbon scare is to remove non-Labor voting areas off the
    Australian map.
    The Riverena is targeted
    Federally subsidized carbon forestry frameworks, backed by the
    Albanese Government, disproportionately penalise these non-Labor
    voting areas by hollowing out their primary industries.
    If corporate carbon buyouts displace family farms, they effectively
    reduce the population of these traditional rural voting bases.
    --
    Petzl

    Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions, one
    major depression, and two world wars.
    Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Government.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to uk.politics,aus.politics,nl.politiek on Sat Sep 5 14:07:32 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

    (they ready fence posts for treating from missform trees )

    No one does fence posts with softwood you ignorant clown

    ? found better than a concrete post.

    They use HARDWOOD posts and only on the fucking corners

    if a bull scratches his arse on
    one it breaks. A green treated fence post wont.

    Bulls don't scratch their arses on CORNER posts,
    they use fucking trees you ignorant clown

    Probably be housed in Griffiths abandoned houses

    No such thing here, we have a desperate shortage
    of houses even tho we build hundreds every year
    and even someone as stupid as you can see that
    using google earth

    The Carbon scare is to remove non-Labor voting areas off the
    Australian map.

    Bullshit it is

    Its made absolutely no difference here

    The Riverena is targeted

    Fantasy

    There has been some banning of river redgum logging but
    NONE of those have been replaced by pine plantations

    Federally subsidized carbon forestry frameworks,

    No such animal

    backed by the Albanese Government,

    More ignorant bullshit

    disproportionately penalise these non-Labor votingareas by hollowing
    out their primary industries.

    More mindless pig ignorant bullshit

    If corporate carbon buyouts displace family farms,

    Doesn't happen

    they effectively reduce the populationof these traditional rural
    voting bases.

    Which actually happens FAR more due to the inevitable
    increased mechanisation of agriculture even with the
    cattle industry
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