• Re: Yay, faux meat!

    From Max Milyon@invalid@in.valid to rec.food.cooking,aus.politics,alt.food.vegan on Mon Jun 29 16:17:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 05:57:59 +1000
    Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On Mon, 29 Jun 2026 14:08:36 -0400, Dave Smith
    <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2026-06-29 12:48 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2026-06-29 10:46 a.m., Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne
    wrote:
    On Mon, 29 Jun 2026 10:51:32 -0400, Dave Smith

    I have never understood it. If you don't want to eat meat there
    are lots of other foods that can provide the proteins we get
    from meat There are various legumes that can replace them. Make
    some interesting with them, If you want something that looks,
    feels and even tastes like meat, then eat meat.

    No, because you don't want animals to suffer.

    Including Fish?

    At least farm raised food critters are dispatched humanely. Fish get
    to sit in the hull of a ship crushed under the weight of thousands
    of their other fish and die of suffocation.

    So killing is ok, provided you do it a certain way?


    Plants get killed too, do they have a "certain way"?

    Does having your feet chopped off and being put in a bag in the cold
    frig before being boiled alive sound human?e

    What did broccoli ever do to you, trollass oztard?

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  • From Peter Jason@pj@jostle.com to rec.food.cooking,aus.politics,alt.food.vegan on Wed Jul 1 09:26:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics



    So killing is ok, provided you do it a certain way?


    Plants get killed too, do they have a "certain way"?

    Does having your feet chopped off and being put in a bag in the cold
    frig before being boiled alive sound human?e

    What did broccoli ever do to you, trollass oztard?

    I feel your pain. Restaurants here are known to inflate pieces of
    meat, like steak, by mechanically tenderizing and so increasing its
    volume. This allows the use of cheaper cuts. Also some slice steak
    and sandwich look-alike vegs in between the slices, smothering and
    covering the crime with some fancy sauce. Restaurants are dimly lit
    for a reason. Avoid restaurants; McDonalds and the like are far
    better value. I have survived to tell thee!
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  • From squillage@yy@aba.et to rec.food.cooking,aus.politics,alt.food.vegan on Tue Jun 30 17:49:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Wed, 01 Jul 2026 09:26:43 +1000
    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:


    So killing is ok, provided you do it a certain way?


    Plants get killed too, do they have a "certain way"?

    Does having your feet chopped off and being put in a bag in the cold
    frig before being boiled alive sound human?e

    What did broccoli ever do to you, trollass oztard?

    I feel your pain.

    And the shredded cabbage, imagine the pain!

    Restaurants here are known to inflate pieces of
    meat, like steak, by mechanically tenderizing and so increasing its
    volume. This allows the use of cheaper cuts.

    Blade tenderizing does work, true.

    Also some slice steak
    and sandwich look-alike vegs in between the slices, smothering and
    covering the crime with some fancy sauce.

    Squishy squeeze bottle food - looks fancy, tastes worse.

    Restaurants are dimly lit
    for a reason. Avoid restaurants; McDonalds and the like are far
    better value. I have survived to tell thee!

    I shall accept your denouement.

    Meat pie time!

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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to rec.food.cooking,aus.politics,alt.food.vegan on Wed Jul 1 10:32:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

    So killing is ok, provided you do it a certain way?

    Plants get killed too, do they have a "certain way"?

    Does having your feet chopped off and being put in a bag in the cold
    frig before being boiled alive sound human?

    What did broccoli ever do to you, trollass oztard?

    I feel your pain. Restaurants here are known to inflate pieces of
    meat, like steak, by mechanically tenderizing and so increasing its
    volume.

    Mechanically tenderizing meat actually reduces its volume

    This allows the use of cheaper cuts.

    Yep

    Also some slice steak
    and sandwich look-alike vegs in between the slices, smothering and
    covering the crime with some fancy sauce. Restaurants are dimly lit
    for a reason. Avoid restaurants; McDonalds and the like are far
    better value. I have survived to tell thee!

    That's not survival given that you have always been brain dead
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  • From Peter Jason@pj@jostle.com to rec.food.cooking,aus.politics,alt.food.vegan on Wed Jul 1 11:16:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Wed, 01 Jul 2026 10:32:20 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

    So killing is ok, provided you do it a certain way?

    Plants get killed too, do they have a "certain way"?

    Does having your feet chopped off and being put in a bag in the cold
    frig before being boiled alive sound human?

    What did broccoli ever do to you, trollass oztard?

    I feel your pain. Restaurants here are known to inflate pieces of
    meat, like steak, by mechanically tenderizing and so increasing its
    volume.

    Mechanically tenderizing meat actually reduces its volume

    Not if the subsequent voids are crammed with god-knows-what.
    Why do you think the restaurants ply the innocent with booze long
    before the food arrives?

    The proper way to tenderize meat is to hang and so age it in a
    zinc-lined cool room; but this takes time.

    This allows the use of cheaper cuts.

    Yep

    Also some slice steak
    and sandwich look-alike vegs in between the slices, smothering and
    covering the crime with some fancy sauce. Restaurants are dimly lit
    for a reason. Avoid restaurants; McDonalds and the like are far
    better value. I have survived to tell thee!

    That's not survival given that you have always been brain dead
    I don't care, if it all feels good!
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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to rec.food.cooking,aus.politics,alt.food.vegan on Wed Jul 1 11:45:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

    So killing is ok, provided you do it a certain way?

    Plants get killed too, do they have a "certain way"?

    Does having your feet chopped off and being put in a bag in the cold
    frig before being boiled alive sound human?

    What did broccoli ever do to you, trollass oztard?

    I feel your pain. Restaurants here are known to inflate pieces of
    meat, like steak, by mechanically tenderizing and so increasing its
    volume.

    Mechanically tenderizing meat actually reduces its volume

    Not if the subsequent voids are crammed with god-knows-what.

    That doesn't happen when it's mechanically tenderized

    Why do you think the restaurants ply the innocent with booze long
    before the food arrives?

    Because that can be served instantly and that can't happen with
    most of the stuff like the main meal which has to be cooked

    The proper way to tenderize meat is to hang and so age it in a
    zinc-lined cool room; but this takes time.

    The best restaurants buy it after than has been done by the meat supplier

    This allows the use of cheaper cuts.

    Yep

    Also some slice steak
    and sandwich look-alike vegs in between the slices, smothering and
    covering the crime with some fancy sauce. Restaurants are dimly lit
    for a reason. Avoid restaurants; McDonalds and the like are far
    better value. I have survived to tell thee!

    That's not survival given that you have always been brain dead

    I don't care, if it all feels good!

    And the heart attack doesn't
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  • From Peter Jason@pj@jostle.com to rec.food.cooking,aus.politics,alt.food.vegan on Wed Jul 1 13:54:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Wed, 01 Jul 2026 11:45:07 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

    So killing is ok, provided you do it a certain way?

    Plants get killed too, do they have a "certain way"?

    Does having your feet chopped off and being put in a bag in the cold >>>>> frig before being boiled alive sound human?

    What did broccoli ever do to you, trollass oztard?

    I feel your pain. Restaurants here are known to inflate pieces of
    meat, like steak, by mechanically tenderizing and so increasing its
    volume.

    Mechanically tenderizing meat actually reduces its volume

    Not if the subsequent voids are crammed with god-knows-what.

    That doesn't happen when it's mechanically tenderized
    I'm gonna check this with my AI robot.

    Why do you think the restaurants ply the innocent with booze long
    before the food arrives?

    Because that can be served instantly and that can't happen with
    most of the stuff like the main meal which has to be cooked
    Sometimes it's cooked, but most of the time it's warmed-up pre-packs.
    It has to be by the look of the cooks. The last time I was dragged
    into a restaurant the food took ages to arrive though the grog kept
    flowing. Did you know they make most money from the booze? It's a
    scam!


    The proper way to tenderize meat is to hang and so age it in a
    zinc-lined cool room; but this takes time.

    The best restaurants buy it after than has been done by the meat supplier
    No the best hang it anyway. I have seen such cool rooms.

    This allows the use of cheaper cuts.

    Yep

    Also some slice steak
    and sandwich look-alike vegs in between the slices, smothering and
    covering the crime with some fancy sauce. Restaurants are dimly lit
    for a reason. Avoid restaurants; McDonalds and the like are far
    better value. I have survived to tell thee!

    That's not survival given that you have always been brain dead

    I don't care, if it all feels good!

    And the heart attack doesn't
    I can believe the eating at restaurants causes heart problems. Fatty
    liver and clogged kidneys too. Thene there's the financial agony
    afterwards.
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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to rec.food.cooking,aus.politics,alt.food.vegan on Wed Jul 1 16:09:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

    So killing is ok, provided you do it a certain way?

    Plants get killed too, do they have a "certain way"?

    Does having your feet chopped off and being put in a bag in the cold >>>>>> frig before being boiled alive sound human?

    What did broccoli ever do to you, trollass oztard?

    I feel your pain. Restaurants here are known to inflate pieces of
    meat, like steak, by mechanically tenderizing and so increasing its
    volume.

    Mechanically tenderizing meat actually reduces its volume

    Not if the subsequent voids are crammed with god-knows-what.

    That doesn't happen when it's mechanically tenderized

    I'm gonna check this with my AI robot.

    Why do you think the restaurants ply the innocent with booze long
    before the food arrives?

    Because that can be served instantly and that can't happen with
    most of the stuff like the main meal which has to be cooked

    Sometimes it's cooked, but most of the time it's warmed-up pre-packs.

    Still quicker to open a bottle of beer or wine and
    even quicker to fill a glass from wine in a box

    It has to be by the look of the cooks. The last time I was dragged
    into a restaurant the food took ages to arrive

    Because it takes ages to cook

    though the grog kept flowing.

    Because they kept adding it to the bill

    Did you know they make most money from the booze?

    Bullshit

    It's a scam!

    You can take your own in some of them

    The proper way to tenderize meat is to hang and so age it in a
    zinc-lined cool room; but this takes time.

    The best restaurants buy it after than has been done by the meat
    supplier

    No the best hang it anyway. I have seen such cool rooms.

    They have to keep it somewhere

    This allows the use of cheaper cuts.

    Yep

    Also some slice steak
    and sandwich look-alike vegs in between the slices, smothering and
    covering the crime with some fancy sauce. Restaurants are dimly lit >>>>> for a reason. Avoid restaurants; McDonalds and the like are far
    better value. I have survived to tell thee!

    That's not survival given that you have always been brain dead

    I don't care, if it all feels good!

    And the heart attack doesn't

    I can believe the eating at restaurants causes heart problems.

    Only when you see the bill

    Fatty liver and clogged kidneys too.

    Only for you drunks

    Thene there's the financial agony afterwards.

    Only for you dumpster divers
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  • From squillage@yy@aba.et to rec.food.cooking,aus.politics,alt.food.vegan on Wed Jul 1 09:11:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Wed, 01 Jul 2026 10:32:20 +1000
    "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

    So killing is ok, provided you do it a certain way?

    Plants get killed too, do they have a "certain way"?

    Does having your feet chopped off and being put in a bag in the
    cold frig before being boiled alive sound human?

    What did broccoli ever do to you, trollass oztard?

    I feel your pain. Restaurants here are known to inflate pieces of
    meat, like steak, by mechanically tenderizing and so increasing its
    volume.

    Mechanically tenderizing meat actually reduces its volume

    Well no, it merely perforates it.


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  • From squillage@yy@aba.et to rec.food.cooking,aus.politics,alt.food.vegan on Wed Jul 1 09:12:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Wed, 01 Jul 2026 11:16:38 +1000
    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

    Mechanically tenderizing meat actually reduces its volume

    Not if the subsequent voids are crammed with god-knows-what.

    Sorry but no, puncturing meat creates voids, not removes actual meat.

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@admin@127.0.0.1 to rec.food.cooking,aus.politics on Wed Jul 1 17:19:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Wed, 01 Jul 2026 16:09:19 +1000
    "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

    So killing is ok, provided you do it a certain way?

    Plants get killed too, do they have a "certain way"?

    Does having your feet chopped off and being put in a bag in the cold >>>>>> frig before being boiled alive sound human?

    What did broccoli ever do to you, trollass oztard?

    I feel your pain. Restaurants here are known to inflate pieces of >>>>> meat, like steak, by mechanically tenderizing and so increasing its >>>>> volume.

    Mechanically tenderizing meat actually reduces its volume

    Not if the subsequent voids are crammed with god-knows-what.

    That doesn't happen when it's mechanically tenderized

    I'm gonna check this with my AI robot.

    Why do you think the restaurants ply the innocent with booze long
    before the food arrives?

    Because that can be served instantly and that can't happen with
    most of the stuff like the main meal which has to be cooked

    Sometimes it's cooked, but most of the time it's warmed-up pre-packs.

    Still quicker to open a bottle of beer or wine and
    even quicker to fill a glass from wine in a box

    It has to be by the look of the cooks. The last time I was dragged
    into a restaurant the food took ages to arrive

    Because it takes ages to cook

    though the grog kept flowing.

    Because they kept adding it to the bill

    Did you know they make most money from the booze?

    Bullshit

    It's a scam!

    You can take your own in some of them

    The proper way to tenderize meat is to hang and so age it in a
    zinc-lined cool room; but this takes time.

    The best restaurants buy it after than has been done by the meat
    supplier

    No the best hang it anyway. I have seen such cool rooms.

    They have to keep it somewhere

    This allows the use of cheaper cuts.

    Yep

    Also some slice steak
    and sandwich look-alike vegs in between the slices, smothering and >>>>> covering the crime with some fancy sauce. Restaurants are dimly lit >>>>> for a reason. Avoid restaurants; McDonalds and the like are far
    better value. I have survived to tell thee!

    That's not survival given that you have always been brain dead

    I don't care, if it all feels good!

    And the heart attack doesn't

    I can believe the eating at restaurants causes heart problems.

    Only when you see the bill

    Fatty liver and clogged kidneys too.

    Only for you drunks

    Thene there's the financial agony afterwards.

    Only for you dumpster divers

    Good to see you're still alive, even if you're still posting the usual negative stuff.
    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.
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  • From Peter Jason@pj@jostle.com to rec.food.cooking,aus.politics,alt.food.vegan on Thu Jul 2 06:56:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 09:11:03 -0600, squillage <yy@aba.et> wrote:

    On Wed, 01 Jul 2026 10:32:20 +1000
    "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

    So killing is ok, provided you do it a certain way?

    Plants get killed too, do they have a "certain way"?

    Does having your feet chopped off and being put in a bag in the
    cold frig before being boiled alive sound human?

    What did broccoli ever do to you, trollass oztard?

    I feel your pain. Restaurants here are known to inflate pieces of
    meat, like steak, by mechanically tenderizing and so increasing its
    volume.

    Mechanically tenderizing meat actually reduces its volume

    Well no, it merely perforates it.

    The AI robot has vindicated me, saying these's no change in the
    volume...

    Hi, what effect does mechanical tenderizing have on meat?

    Mechanical tenderizing changes meat by physically breaking down some
    of its structure, making it easier to chew and sometimes changing how
    it cooks.

    The main effects are:

    * **Breaks muscle fibers:** Blades, needles, or pounding disrupt long
    muscle fibers, reducing toughness.
    * **Cuts connective tissue:** The process severs some collagen-rich
    connective tissue, which contributes to a more tender texture,
    especially in tougher cuts.
    * **Improves marinade penetration:** Needle or blade tenderizing
    creates small channels that allow marinades, seasonings, and brines to penetrate deeper into the meat.
    * **Can improve cooking consistency:** Heat can move more evenly
    through the meat because of the small channels created, although the
    effect is usually modest.

    There are a few trade-offs:

    * **Food safety:** If bacteria are present on the surface of the meat,
    blade or needle tenderizing can push them into the interior. That's
    why mechanically tenderized beef should generally be cooked to a
    higher internal temperature than an intact steak. In some countries, mechanically tenderized beef is labeled to inform consumers.
    * **Texture changes:** Over-tenderizing can make meat feel mushy or
    give it a slightly processed texture, particularly with repeated
    passes through a tenderizer.
    * **Appearance:** Needle or blade marks may be visible on the surface,
    and pounding can flatten and widen the cut.

    There are several common methods:

    * **Needle or blade tenderizing:** Uses many small blades or needles
    to cut through muscle fibers and connective tissue while largely
    preserving the meat's overall shape.
    * **Pounding:** A meat mallet physically flattens the meat and breaks
    down fibers.
    * **Cubing:** A machine with textured rollers produces the
    characteristic cube pattern seen on cube steak.

    Mechanical tenderizing is especially useful for naturally tougher
    cuts, such as chuck, round, or flank, while naturally tender cuts like tenderloin usually don't benefit much from it unless the goal is to
    create an even thickness for cooking.

    AND VOLUME?
    You're welcome! Mechanical tenderizing has a relatively small effect
    on the **overall volume** of meat, but the direction and magnitude
    depend on the method used.

    * **Needle or blade tenderizing:** The volume changes very little. The
    meat may become slightly more compressible because the muscle fibers
    and connective tissue have been cut, but its external dimensions
    remain almost the same.
    * **Pounding with a mallet:** The meat becomes **thinner and wider**.
    Its apparent surface area increases while its thickness decreases. The
    total volume stays close to the same because the meat is being
    reshaped rather than significantly compressed.
    * **Cubing machines:** These create indentations and stretch the meat
    slightly, so it may appear larger in surface area, but again the
    actual volume changes very little.

    One important indirect effect is on **water retention**:


    See, and now Rod Smith might proffer a belly-crawl retraction, like
    right now!
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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to rec.food.cooking,aus.politics,alt.food.vegan on Thu Jul 2 07:18:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
    squillage <yy@aba.et> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

    So killing is ok, provided you do it a certain way?

    Plants get killed too, do they have a "certain way"?

    Does having your feet chopped off and being put in a bag in the
    cold frig before being boiled alive sound human?

    What did broccoli ever do to you, trollass oztard?

    I feel your pain. Restaurants here are known to inflate pieces of
    meat, like steak, by mechanically tenderizing and so increasing its
    volume.

    Mechanically tenderizing meat actually reduces its volume

    Well no, it merely perforates it.

    The AI robot has vindicated me, saying these's no change in the
    volume...

    YOU claimed it increases the volume liar

    Hi, what effect does mechanical tenderizing have on meat?

    Mechanical tenderizing changes meat by physically breaking down some
    of its structure, making it easier to chew and sometimes changing how
    it cooks.

    The main effects are:

    * **Breaks muscle fibers:** Blades, needles, or pounding disrupt long
    muscle fibers, reducing toughness.
    * **Cuts connective tissue:** The process severs some collagen-rich connective tissue, which contributes to a more tender texture,
    especially in tougher cuts.
    * **Improves marinade penetration:** Needle or blade tenderizing
    creates small channels that allow marinades, seasonings, and brines to penetrate deeper into the meat.
    * **Can improve cooking consistency:** Heat can move more evenly
    through the meat because of the small channels created, although the
    effect is usually modest.

    There are a few trade-offs:

    * **Food safety:** If bacteria are present on the surface of the meat,
    blade or needle tenderizing can push them into the interior. That's
    why mechanically tenderized beef should generally be cooked to a
    higher internal temperature than an intact steak. In some countries, mechanically tenderized beef is labeled to inform consumers.
    * **Texture changes:** Over-tenderizing can make meat feel mushy or
    give it a slightly processed texture, particularly with repeated
    passes through a tenderizer.
    * **Appearance:** Needle or blade marks may be visible on the surface,
    and pounding can flatten and widen the cut.

    There are several common methods:

    * **Needle or blade tenderizing:** Uses many small blades or needles
    to cut through muscle fibers and connective tissue while largely
    preserving the meat's overall shape.
    * **Pounding:** A meat mallet physically flattens the meat and breaks
    down fibers.
    * **Cubing:** A machine with textured rollers produces the
    characteristic cube pattern seen on cube steak.

    Mechanical tenderizing is especially useful for naturally tougher
    cuts, such as chuck, round, or flank, while naturally tender cuts like tenderloin usually don't benefit much from it unless the goal is to
    create an even thickness for cooking.

    AND VOLUME?
    You're welcome! Mechanical tenderizing has a relatively small effect
    on the **overall volume** of meat, but the direction and magnitude
    depend on the method used.

    * **Needle or blade tenderizing:** The volume changes very little. The
    meat may become slightly more compressible because the muscle fibers
    and connective tissue have been cut, but its external dimensions
    remain almost the same.
    * **Pounding with a mallet:** The meat becomes **thinner and wider**.
    Its apparent surface area increases while its thickness decreases. The
    total volume stays close to the same because the meat is being
    reshaped rather than significantly compressed.
    * **Cubing machines:** These create indentations and stretch the meat slightly, so it may appear larger in surface area, but again the
    actual volume changes very little.

    One important indirect effect is on **water retention**:

    See, and now Rod Smith might proffer a belly-crawl retraction, like
    right now!

    Not when it proves you got it wrong, fuckwit
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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to rec.food.cooking,aus.politics,alt.food.vegan on Thu Jul 2 07:29:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    squillage <yy@aba.et> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

    So killing is ok, provided you do it a certain way?

    Plants get killed too, do they have a "certain way"?

    Does having your feet chopped off and being put in a bag in the
    cold frig before being boiled alive sound human?

    What did broccoli ever do to you, trollass oztard?

    I feel your pain. Restaurants here are known to inflate pieces of
    meat, like steak, by mechanically tenderizing and so increasing its
    volume.

    Mechanically tenderizing meat actually reduces its volume

    Well no, it merely perforates it.

    Depends on how you do it, it you pound it with a meat tenderising
    hammer, it flattens it and it ends up spread out with lower volume
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  • From Peter Jason@pj@jostle.com to rec.food.cooking,aus.politics,alt.food.vegan on Thu Jul 2 08:54:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Thu, 02 Jul 2026 07:18:47 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
    squillage <yy@aba.et> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

    So killing is ok, provided you do it a certain way?

    Plants get killed too, do they have a "certain way"?

    Does having your feet chopped off and being put in a bag in the
    cold frig before being boiled alive sound human?

    What did broccoli ever do to you, trollass oztard?

    I feel your pain. Restaurants here are known to inflate pieces of
    meat, like steak, by mechanically tenderizing and so increasing its
    volume.

    Mechanically tenderizing meat actually reduces its volume

    Well no, it merely perforates it.

    The AI robot has vindicated me, saying these's no change in the
    volume...

    YOU claimed it increases the volume liar

    Hi, what effect does mechanical tenderizing have on meat?

    Mechanical tenderizing changes meat by physically breaking down some
    of its structure, making it easier to chew and sometimes changing how
    it cooks.

    The main effects are:

    * **Breaks muscle fibers:** Blades, needles, or pounding disrupt long
    muscle fibers, reducing toughness.
    * **Cuts connective tissue:** The process severs some collagen-rich
    connective tissue, which contributes to a more tender texture,
    especially in tougher cuts.
    * **Improves marinade penetration:** Needle or blade tenderizing
    creates small channels that allow marinades, seasonings, and brines to
    penetrate deeper into the meat.
    * **Can improve cooking consistency:** Heat can move more evenly
    through the meat because of the small channels created, although the
    effect is usually modest.

    There are a few trade-offs:

    * **Food safety:** If bacteria are present on the surface of the meat,
    blade or needle tenderizing can push them into the interior. That's
    why mechanically tenderized beef should generally be cooked to a
    higher internal temperature than an intact steak. In some countries,
    mechanically tenderized beef is labeled to inform consumers.
    * **Texture changes:** Over-tenderizing can make meat feel mushy or
    give it a slightly processed texture, particularly with repeated
    passes through a tenderizer.
    * **Appearance:** Needle or blade marks may be visible on the surface,
    and pounding can flatten and widen the cut.

    There are several common methods:

    * **Needle or blade tenderizing:** Uses many small blades or needles
    to cut through muscle fibers and connective tissue while largely
    preserving the meat's overall shape.
    * **Pounding:** A meat mallet physically flattens the meat and breaks
    down fibers.
    * **Cubing:** A machine with textured rollers produces the
    characteristic cube pattern seen on cube steak.

    Mechanical tenderizing is especially useful for naturally tougher
    cuts, such as chuck, round, or flank, while naturally tender cuts like
    tenderloin usually don't benefit much from it unless the goal is to
    create an even thickness for cooking.

    AND VOLUME?
    You're welcome! Mechanical tenderizing has a relatively small effect
    on the **overall volume** of meat, but the direction and magnitude
    depend on the method used.

    * **Needle or blade tenderizing:** The volume changes very little. The
    meat may become slightly more compressible because the muscle fibers
    and connective tissue have been cut, but its external dimensions
    remain almost the same.
    * **Pounding with a mallet:** The meat becomes **thinner and wider**.
    Its apparent surface area increases while its thickness decreases. The
    total volume stays close to the same because the meat is being
    reshaped rather than significantly compressed.
    * **Cubing machines:** These create indentations and stretch the meat
    slightly, so it may appear larger in surface area, but again the
    actual volume changes very little.

    One important indirect effect is on **water retention**:

    See, and now Rod Smith might proffer a belly-crawl retraction, like
    right now!

    Not when it proves you got it wrong, fuckwit

    Well, I said it increases, you said decreases. so it's neutral,
    donkey.
    I suppose I had to make a mistake one day.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to rec.food.cooking,aus.politics,alt.food.vegan on Thu Jul 2 10:29:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
    squillage <yy@aba.et> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

    So killing is ok, provided you do it a certain way?

    Plants get killed too, do they have a "certain way"?

    Does having your feet chopped off and being put in a bag in the
    cold frig before being boiled alive sound human?

    What did broccoli ever do to you, trollass oztard?

    I feel your pain. Restaurants here are known to inflate pieces of >>>>>> meat, like steak, by mechanically tenderizing and so increasing its >>>>>> volume.

    Mechanically tenderizing meat actually reduces its volume

    Well no, it merely perforates it.

    The AI robot has vindicated me, saying these's no change in the
    volume...

    YOU claimed it increases the volume liar

    Hi, what effect does mechanical tenderizing have on meat?

    Mechanical tenderizing changes meat by physically breaking down some
    of its structure, making it easier to chew and sometimes changing how
    it cooks.

    The main effects are:

    * **Breaks muscle fibers:** Blades, needles, or pounding disrupt long
    muscle fibers, reducing toughness.
    * **Cuts connective tissue:** The process severs some collagen-rich
    connective tissue, which contributes to a more tender texture,
    especially in tougher cuts.
    * **Improves marinade penetration:** Needle or blade tenderizing
    creates small channels that allow marinades, seasonings, and brines to
    penetrate deeper into the meat.
    * **Can improve cooking consistency:** Heat can move more evenly
    through the meat because of the small channels created, although the
    effect is usually modest.

    There are a few trade-offs:

    * **Food safety:** If bacteria are present on the surface of the meat,
    blade or needle tenderizing can push them into the interior. That's
    why mechanically tenderized beef should generally be cooked to a
    higher internal temperature than an intact steak. In some countries,
    mechanically tenderized beef is labeled to inform consumers.
    * **Texture changes:** Over-tenderizing can make meat feel mushy or
    give it a slightly processed texture, particularly with repeated
    passes through a tenderizer.
    * **Appearance:** Needle or blade marks may be visible on the surface,
    and pounding can flatten and widen the cut.

    There are several common methods:

    * **Needle or blade tenderizing:** Uses many small blades or needles
    to cut through muscle fibers and connective tissue while largely
    preserving the meat's overall shape.
    * **Pounding:** A meat mallet physically flattens the meat

    Which means it reduces the volume, fuckwit

    and breaks
    down fibers.
    * **Cubing:** A machine with textured rollers produces the
    characteristic cube pattern seen on cube steak.

    Mechanical tenderizing is especially useful for naturally tougher
    cuts, such as chuck, round, or flank, while naturally tender cuts like
    tenderloin usually don't benefit much from it unless the goal is to
    create an even thickness for cooking.

    AND VOLUME?
    You're welcome! Mechanical tenderizing has a relatively small effect
    on the **overall volume** of meat, but the direction and magnitude
    depend on the method used.

    * **Needle or blade tenderizing:** The volume changes very little. The
    meat may become slightly more compressible because the muscle fibers
    and connective tissue have been cut, but its external dimensions
    remain almost the same.
    * **Pounding with a mallet:** The meat becomes **thinner and wider**.
    Its apparent surface area increases while its thickness decreases. The
    total volume stays close to the same because the meat is being
    reshaped rather than significantly compressed.
    * **Cubing machines:** These create indentations and stretch the meat
    slightly, so it may appear larger in surface area, but again the
    actual volume changes very little.

    One important indirect effect is on **water retention**:

    See, and now Rod Smith might proffer a belly-crawl retraction, like
    right now!

    Not when it proves you got it wrong, fuckwit

    Well, I said it increases,

    And your AI says it doesn't

    you said decreases.

    And your AI says that is what happens when you use a meat mallet

    so it's neutral,

    Bullshit it is

    I suppose I had to make a mistake one day.

    You always do
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From squillage@yy@aba.et to rec.food.cooking,aus.politics,alt.food.vegan on Thu Jul 2 14:08:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Thu, 02 Jul 2026 06:56:26 +1000
    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 09:11:03 -0600, squillage <yy@aba.et> wrote:

    On Wed, 01 Jul 2026 10:32:20 +1000
    "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

    So killing is ok, provided you do it a certain way?

    Plants get killed too, do they have a "certain way"?

    Does having your feet chopped off and being put in a bag in the
    cold frig before being boiled alive sound human?

    What did broccoli ever do to you, trollass oztard?

    I feel your pain. Restaurants here are known to inflate pieces
    of meat, like steak, by mechanically tenderizing and so
    increasing its volume.

    Mechanically tenderizing meat actually reduces its volume

    Well no, it merely perforates it.

    The AI robot has vindicated me, saying these's no change in the
    volume...

    Hi, what effect does mechanical tenderizing have on meat?

    Mechanical tenderizing changes meat by physically breaking down some
    of its structure, making it easier to chew and sometimes changing how
    it cooks.

    The main effects are:

    * **Breaks muscle fibers:** Blades, needles, or pounding disrupt long
    muscle fibers, reducing toughness.
    * **Cuts connective tissue:** The process severs some collagen-rich connective tissue, which contributes to a more tender texture,
    especially in tougher cuts.
    * **Improves marinade penetration:** Needle or blade tenderizing
    creates small channels that allow marinades, seasonings, and brines to penetrate deeper into the meat.
    * **Can improve cooking consistency:** Heat can move more evenly
    through the meat because of the small channels created, although the
    effect is usually modest.

    There are a few trade-offs:

    * **Food safety:** If bacteria are present on the surface of the meat,
    blade or needle tenderizing can push them into the interior. That's
    why mechanically tenderized beef should generally be cooked to a
    higher internal temperature than an intact steak. In some countries, mechanically tenderized beef is labeled to inform consumers.
    * **Texture changes:** Over-tenderizing can make meat feel mushy or
    give it a slightly processed texture, particularly with repeated
    passes through a tenderizer.
    * **Appearance:** Needle or blade marks may be visible on the surface,
    and pounding can flatten and widen the cut.

    There are several common methods:

    * **Needle or blade tenderizing:** Uses many small blades or needles
    to cut through muscle fibers and connective tissue while largely
    preserving the meat's overall shape.
    * **Pounding:** A meat mallet physically flattens the meat and breaks
    down fibers.
    * **Cubing:** A machine with textured rollers produces the
    characteristic cube pattern seen on cube steak.

    Mechanical tenderizing is especially useful for naturally tougher
    cuts, such as chuck, round, or flank, while naturally tender cuts like tenderloin usually don't benefit much from it unless the goal is to
    create an even thickness for cooking.

    AND VOLUME?
    You're welcome! Mechanical tenderizing has a relatively small effect
    on the **overall volume** of meat, but the direction and magnitude
    depend on the method used.

    * **Needle or blade tenderizing:** The volume changes very little. The
    meat may become slightly more compressible because the muscle fibers
    and connective tissue have been cut, but its external dimensions
    remain almost the same.
    * **Pounding with a mallet:** The meat becomes **thinner and wider**.
    Its apparent surface area increases while its thickness decreases. The
    total volume stays close to the same because the meat is being
    reshaped rather than significantly compressed.
    * **Cubing machines:** These create indentations and stretch the meat slightly, so it may appear larger in surface area, but again the
    actual volume changes very little.

    One important indirect effect is on **water retention**:


    See, and now Rod Smith might proffer a belly-crawl retraction, like
    right now!

    +1

    nicely played

    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From squillage@yy@aba.et to rec.food.cooking,aus.politics,alt.food.vegan on Thu Jul 2 14:09:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Thu, 02 Jul 2026 07:29:47 +1000
    "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    squillage <yy@aba.et> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

    So killing is ok, provided you do it a certain way?

    Plants get killed too, do they have a "certain way"?

    Does having your feet chopped off and being put in a bag in the
    cold frig before being boiled alive sound human?

    What did broccoli ever do to you, trollass oztard?

    I feel your pain. Restaurants here are known to inflate pieces of
    meat, like steak, by mechanically tenderizing and so increasing
    its volume.

    Mechanically tenderizing meat actually reduces its volume

    Well no, it merely perforates it.

    Depends on how you do it, it you pound it with a meat tenderising
    hammer, it flattens it and it ends up spread out with lower volume

    The _only way_ to lose volume is to have the meat shed it to the
    cutting board or plastic wrap used when pounding it out.

    That's it.

    No volume loss.

    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From squillage@yy@aba.et to rec.food.cooking,aus.politics,alt.food.vegan on Thu Jul 2 14:11:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Thu, 02 Jul 2026 10:29:51 +1000
    "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    * **Pounding:** A meat mallet physically flattens the meat

    Which means it reduces the volume, fuckwit


    NO - FUCKNUTS!

    No volumetric change occurs, only a reshaping, period!

    OMFG this one is dense.

    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to rec.food.cooking,aus.politics,alt.food.vegan on Fri Jul 3 07:16:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    squillage <yy@aba.et> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    squillage <yy@aba.et> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

    So killing is ok, provided you do it a certain way?

    Plants get killed too, do they have a "certain way"?

    Does having your feet chopped off and being put in a bag in the
    cold frig before being boiled alive sound human?

    What did broccoli ever do to you, trollass oztard?

    I feel your pain. Restaurants here are known to inflate pieces of
    meat, like steak, by mechanically tenderizing and so increasing
    its volume.

    Mechanically tenderizing meat actually reduces its volume

    Well no, it merely perforates it.

    Depends on how you do it, it you pound it with a meat tenderising
    hammer, it flattens it and it ends up spread out with lower volume

    The _only way_ to lose volume is to have the meat shed it to the
    cutting board or plastic wrap used when pounding it out.

    And that is precisely what happens when pound it with a meat hammer

    Your 'merely perforates it' is just plain wrong in that case

    That's it.

    No volume loss.

    Wrong, as always when its flattened
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to rec.food.cooking,aus.politics,alt.food.vegan on Fri Jul 3 07:18:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    squillage <yy@aba.et> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

    * **Pounding:** A meat mallet physically flattens the meat

    Which means it reduces the volume, fuckwit

    NO - FUCKNUTS!

    No volumetric change occurs, only a reshaping, period!

    Wrong as always when the fluid and air is pounded out of it
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Peter Jason@pj@jostle.com to rec.food.cooking,aus.politics,alt.food.vegan on Fri Jul 3 09:07:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Fri, 03 Jul 2026 07:18:24 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    squillage <yy@aba.et> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

    * **Pounding:** A meat mallet physically flattens the meat

    Which means it reduces the volume, fuckwit

    NO - FUCKNUTS!

    No volumetric change occurs, only a reshaping, period!

    Wrong as always when the fluid and air is pounded out of it

    ....uh? These's no "fluid" nor "air" in the steaks I buy. Are you
    referring to road kill?
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to rec.food.cooking,aus.politics,alt.food.vegan on Fri Jul 3 09:37:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    squillage <yy@aba.et> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

    * **Pounding:** A meat mallet physically flattens the meat

    Which means it reduces the volume, fuckwit

    NO - FUCKNUTS!

    No volumetric change occurs, only a reshaping, period!

    Wrong as always when the fluid and air is pounded out of it

    ....uh? These's no "fluid" nor "air" in the steaks I buy.

    Bullshit with the blood and if there was no air,
    you couldnt pound it flat with a meat hammer

    And even someone as stupid as you
    should have noticed the air in a chicken
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Peter Jason@pj@jostle.com to rec.food.cooking,aus.politics,alt.food.vegan on Fri Jul 3 10:05:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    On Fri, 03 Jul 2026 09:37:59 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    squillage <yy@aba.et> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

    * **Pounding:** A meat mallet physically flattens the meat

    Which means it reduces the volume, fuckwit

    NO - FUCKNUTS!

    No volumetric change occurs, only a reshaping, period!

    Wrong as always when the fluid and air is pounded out of it

    ....uh? These's no "fluid" nor "air" in the steaks I buy.

    Bullshit with the blood and if there was no air,
    you couldnt pound it flat with a meat hammer

    And even someone as stupid as you
    should have noticed the air in a chicken

    Is the chicken a red herring? Chickens are tender always.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to rec.food.cooking,aus.politics,alt.food.vegan on Fri Jul 3 11:24:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.politics

    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    squillage <yy@aba.et> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

    * **Pounding:** A meat mallet physically flattens the meat

    Which means it reduces the volume, fuckwit

    NO - FUCKNUTS!

    No volumetric change occurs, only a reshaping, period!

    Wrong as always when the fluid and air is pounded out of it

    ....uh? These's no "fluid" nor "air" in the steaks I buy.

    Bullshit with the blood and if there was no air,
    you couldnt pound it flat with a meat hammer

    And even someone as stupid as you
    should have noticed the air in a chicken

    Is the chicken a red herring? Chickens are tender always.

    Bullshit they are when they are old chooks
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2