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Once more the Albanese government has made it clear that the interests
of Australia, its sovereignty and independence, are irrelevant. The
interests and security of the Australian people and the region come a
very poor second to the governmentAs commitment to the USA. There is
only one interest worth pursuing and that is the US aalliance.A

It has just been revealed that the Albanese government has given the
green light for American B-52H Stratofortress bombers to be based at
Tindal RAAF base in the Northern Territory. What is significant about
these bombers is that they are capable of carrying and deploying
strategic nuclear weapons.

The US-funded expansion of the Tindal base radically alters the status
quo. By hosting nuclear-weapons capable B-52 aircraft, and providing
extensive operational mission support, Australia will, for the first
time in history, be giving support for potential combat-missions using
nuclear weapons.

Any government that even pretends to have the interests of the people at
heart would demand the right to know whether the bombers are nuclear
armed or not. A statement from the Albanese government waived this
right, saying that it both ounderstands and respectso the US doctrine to neither confirm or deny the presence of nuclear weapons on US aircraft.

This revelation was made in a report for the Nautilus Institute, a
progressive public policy think tank that seeks to address critical
security and sustainability issues with a view to promoting a peaceful
future. The authors, academics Vince Scappatura and Richard Tanter have produced a detailed, reliable and transparent document. Their research
came from readily accessible open sources. The government, however,
failed to take advantage of these same sources. They owed it to the
people of this country to do so and to let us know where we are being
led.

Under current Australian law, there is no legal or even policy barrier
that might limit US aircraft carrying nuclear weapons from entering the country. The arespectA that our government gives the US for not feeling
any obligation to confirm that Australia is aiding and abetting
potential nuclear strikes from an Australian air-force base is out of
step with how things play out in other countries. To cite just one
important example, the USA, under the conditions of the New Start Treaty
that came into force in 2011, is obliged to provide Russia with just the
sort of information that our government feels it cannot ask for.

The report is particularly relevant because it takes away a degree of
the unknown that goes with a refusal to be astraightA with an ally.
Scappatura and Tanter offer an explanation of how nuclear capable
aircraft can be identified. The term aVisual GuideA is used. As the
report says, this oVisual Guide applies strict classification and
confidence criteria to open-source photography to identify each B-52H
bomber in the US Air Force active fleet as nuclear-capable or conventional-only.o This is important, but our government has wilfully
chosen to ignore and deny its significance. After all, if your valued
ofriend and allyo is not prepared to be open with you, it would seem
reasonable to make a few checks of your own. That is not about to
happen.

When Minister for Defence, Richard Marles, can fawningly and publicly
say to his American counterpart, Lloyd Austin, at the recent AUSMIN
meeting that owe could not be happier with the extent of your presence
in the Indo-Pacific. ItAs been wonderful u genuinely wonderful u and for
that, we thank you a but of course, your alliance with us is completely
central to our worldview, to our national security,o then we all know
just how craven our government has become.

Things were not always this way. In the 1970s, during the prime
ministership of the conservative Malcolm Fraser, a strong sense of
national sovereignty existed. The USA was welcome to use Australian
bases but a aFraser ModelA or code of conduct was put in place. It was a
simple case of the US being required to inform us about what sort of
armaments their aircraft were carrying. The protocol had a clause that
made it necessary for the government to them keep the people informed.
How scrupulous the atruth-tellingA might have been is another matter but
the intent was there.

The report points out that the Fraser government made it a condition of
the alliance that B-52 operations in Australia, including landings in
Darwin, were approved on the express condition that they be ounarmed and carried no bombs.o

The Albanese government in its subservience to the dictates of America
has made a stark choice. Scappatura and Tanter make it clear things need
not be that way. Their report provides essential information regarding
the nuclear capability of the B-52 bombers that will be using Tindal
base. The government should have made this information available to the
public. It should be obliged to share this with the other signatory
states of the Treaty of Rarotonga. These Pacific Island nations, so patronisingly referred to by Australia as the oPacific familyo along
with Australia, signed a treaty in 1985, committing each state and the
region to maintaining a nuclear-free status as part of a campaign for a nuclear-weapons free world.

Our government could have done what the authors of the report did, but
it pointedly failed to do so. It is one more damning indictment, not
merely of the subservience of our government to the USA, but shows of
just how far to the right mainstream Australian political structures
have moved.

https://cpa.org.au/guardian/issue-2116/us-nuclear-armed-b-52h-bombers-to- be-based-in-australia/
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On 5/10/25 2:12 AM, Cesar wrote:

Once more the Albanese government has made it clear that the interests
of Australia, its sovereignty and independence, are irrelevant. The
interests and security of the Australian people and the region come a
very poor second to the governmentrCOs commitment to the USA. There is
only one interest worth pursuing and that is the US rCyalliance.rCO

It has just been revealed that the Albanese government has given the
green light for American B-52H Stratofortress bombers to be based at
Tindal RAAF base in the Northern Territory. What is significant about
these bombers is that they are capable of carrying and deploying
strategic nuclear weapons.

. . .

Ummm ... how USEFUL are B52s these days ? They're
big and slow and not stealthy. Even Iran can shoot
them down easily. Missiles/drones are the functional
replacements.
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On Sat, 10 May 2025 17:48:44 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

On 5/10/25 2:12 AM, Cesar wrote:

Once more the Albanese government has made it clear that the interests
of Australia, its sovereignty and independence, are irrelevant. The
interests and security of the Australian people and the region come a
very poor second to the governmentAs commitment to the USA. There is
only one interest worth pursuing and that is the US aalliance.A

It has just been revealed that the Albanese government has given the
green light for American B-52H Stratofortress bombers to be based at
Tindal RAAF base in the Northern Territory. What is significant about
these bombers is that they are capable of carrying and deploying
strategic nuclear weapons.

. . .

Ummm ... how USEFUL are B52s these days ? They're
big and slow and not stealthy. Even Iran can shoot
them down easily. Missiles/drones are the functional
replacements.

On Sat, 10 May 2025 17:48:44 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

On 5/10/25 2:12 AM, Cesar wrote:

Once more the Albanese government has made it clear that the interests
of Australia, its sovereignty and independence, are irrelevant. The
interests and security of the Australian people and the region come a
very poor second to the governmentAs commitment to the USA. There is
only one interest worth pursuing and that is the US aalliance.A

It has just been revealed that the Albanese government has given the
green light for American B-52H Stratofortress bombers to be based at
Tindal RAAF base in the Northern Territory. What is significant about
these bombers is that they are capable of carrying and deploying
strategic nuclear weapons.

. . .

Ummm ... how USEFUL are B52s these days ? They're
big and slow and not stealthy. Even Iran can shoot
them down easily. Missiles/drones are the functional
replacements.

The nuclear multi-warhead missles fired from them are not
They are also escorted by superfast AI operated drones <https://www.perplexity.ai/search/superfast-ai-operated-drone-es-dR287tUiTUC1fNfPHHkfgQ>
https://tinyurl.Overview of Superfast AI-Operated Drone Escorts
Superfast AI-operated drone escorts represent a rapidly advancing
field in both military and civilian aviation, leveraging artificial intelligence to autonomously support, protect, or augment manned and
unmanned assets.

Key Features and Capabilities
High Speed and Maneuverability: Modern AI-operated combat drones, such
as those developed under the PentagonAs Collaborative Combat Aircraft
(CCA) program, are designed to reach speeds up to 900 km/h and perform
complex maneuvers to escort, protect, and attack alongside manned
aircraft.

Autonomous Operation: These drones are capable of flying and making
tactical decisions independently, with minimal human intervention. AI
agents can control flight, navigation, and mission execution,
including offensive and defensive actions.

Mission Flexibility: AI drone escorts can be equipped for various
roles, including surveillance, electronic warfare, direct attack, and communications relay. They can carry weapons, sensors, or jamming
equipment, acting as force multipliers for piloted aircraft.

Swarm Coordination: Advanced AI enables multiple drones to operate cooperatively as swarms, coordinating complex missions with limited
human oversight, significantly enhancing battlefield effectiveness.

Cost Efficiency: Compared to manned fighter jets, AI-operated drone
escorts like the XQ-58A Valkyrie are much less expensive and can be
considered oattritable,o meaning they are designed to be expendable if necessary.

Notable Programs and Examples
Drone Model/Program Top Speed Range Role/Capability
XQ-58A Valkyrie 1,050 km/h 3,941 km Autonomous escort,
strike, surveillance, team with fighters
CCA (Collaborative Combat Aircraft) ~900 km/h N/A Escort,
scout, attack, communication relay, expendable
V-Bat Teams (Shield AI) N/A N/A Swarm surveillance, autonomous multi-drone operationscom/3bspfzyz
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Petzl wrote:

On Sat, 10 May 2025 17:48:44 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

On 5/10/25 2:12 AM, Cesar wrote:

Once more the Albanese government has made it clear that the interests
of Australia, its sovereignty and independence, are irrelevant. The
interests and security of the Australian people and the region come a
very poor second to the governmentrCOs commitment to the USA. There is
only one interest worth pursuing and that is the US rCyalliance.rCO

It has just been revealed that the Albanese government has given the
green light for American B-52H Stratofortress bombers to be based at
Tindal RAAF base in the Northern Territory. What is significant about
these bombers is that they are capable of carrying and deploying
strategic nuclear weapons.

. . .

Ummm ... how USEFUL are B52s these days ? They're
big and slow and not stealthy. Even Iran can shoot
them down easily. Missiles/drones are the functional
replacements.

On Sat, 10 May 2025 17:48:44 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

On 5/10/25 2:12 AM, Cesar wrote:

Once more the Albanese government has made it clear that the interests
of Australia, its sovereignty and independence, are irrelevant. The
interests and security of the Australian people and the region come a
very poor second to the governmentrCOs commitment to the USA. There is
only one interest worth pursuing and that is the US rCyalliance.rCO

It has just been revealed that the Albanese government has given the
green light for American B-52H Stratofortress bombers to be based at
Tindal RAAF base in the Northern Territory. What is significant about
these bombers is that they are capable of carrying and deploying
strategic nuclear weapons.

. . .

Ummm ... how USEFUL are B52s these days ? They're
big and slow and not stealthy. Even Iran can shoot
them down easily. Missiles/drones are the functional
replacements.

The nuclear multi-warhead missles fired from them are not
They are also escorted by superfast AI operated drones <https://www.perplexity.ai/search/superfast-ai-operated-drone-es-dR287tUiTUC1fNfPHHkfgQ>
https://tinyurl.Overview of Superfast AI-Operated Drone Escorts Superfast AI-operated drone escorts represent a rapidly advancing
field in both military and civilian aviation, leveraging artificial intelligence to autonomously support, protect, or augment manned and
unmanned assets.

Key Features and Capabilities
High Speed and Maneuverability: Modern AI-operated combat drones, such
as those developed under the PentagonrCOs Collaborative Combat Aircraft
(CCA) program, are designed to reach speeds up to 900 km/h and perform complex maneuvers to escort, protect, and attack alongside manned
aircraft.

Autonomous Operation: These drones are capable of flying and making
tactical decisions independently, with minimal human intervention. AI
agents can control flight, navigation, and mission execution,
including offensive and defensive actions.

Mission Flexibility: AI drone escorts can be equipped for various
roles, including surveillance, electronic warfare, direct attack, and communications relay. They can carry weapons, sensors, or jamming
equipment, acting as force multipliers for piloted aircraft.

Swarm Coordination: Advanced AI enables multiple drones to operate cooperatively as swarms, coordinating complex missions with limited
human oversight, significantly enhancing battlefield effectiveness.

Cost Efficiency: Compared to manned fighter jets, AI-operated drone
escorts like the XQ-58A Valkyrie are much less expensive and can be considered rCLattritable,rCY meaning they are designed to be expendable if necessary.

Notable Programs and Examples
Drone Model/Program Top Speed Range Role/Capability
XQ-58A Valkyrie 1,050 km/h 3,941 km Autonomous escort, strike, surveillance, team with fighters
CCA (Collaborative Combat Aircraft) ~900 km/h N/A Escort,
scout, attack, communication relay, expendable
V-Bat Teams (Shield AI) N/A N/A Swarm surveillance, autonomous multi-drone operationscom/3bspfzyz

unmanned aircraft and drones are the way warfare is headed now
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On Thu, 15 May 2025 10:44:39 +1000, MightyMouse <squeak!@cheesefactory.com> wrote:

Petzl wrote:

On Sat, 10 May 2025 17:48:44 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

On 5/10/25 2:12 AM, Cesar wrote:

Once more the Albanese government has made it clear that the interests >>>> of Australia, its sovereignty and independence, are irrelevant. The>>>> interests and security of the Australian people and the region come a
very poor second to the governmentrCOs commitment to the USA. There is >>>> only one interest worth pursuing and that is the US rCyalliance.rCO

It has just been revealed that the Albanese government has given the
green light for American B-52H Stratofortress bombers to be based at
Tindal RAAF base in the Northern Territory. What is significant about
these bombers is that they are capable of carrying and deploying
strategic nuclear weapons.

. . .

Ummm ... how USEFUL are B52s these days ? They're
big and slow and not stealthy. Even Iran can shoot
them down easily. Missiles/drones are the functional
replacements.

On Sat, 10 May 2025 17:48:44 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

On 5/10/25 2:12 AM, Cesar wrote:

Once more the Albanese government has made it clear that the interests >>>> of Australia, its sovereignty and independence, are irrelevant. The>>>> interests and security of the Australian people and the region come a
very poor second to the governmentrCOs commitment to the USA. There is >>>> only one interest worth pursuing and that is the US rCyalliance.rCO

It has just been revealed that the Albanese government has given the
green light for American B-52H Stratofortress bombers to be based at
Tindal RAAF base in the Northern Territory. What is significant about
these bombers is that they are capable of carrying and deploying
strategic nuclear weapons.

. . .

Ummm ... how USEFUL are B52s these days ? They're
big and slow and not stealthy. Even Iran can shoot
them down easily. Missiles/drones are the functional
replacements.

The nuclear multi-warhead missles fired from them are not
They are also escorted by superfast AI operated drones
<https://www.perplexity.ai/search/superfast-ai-operated-drone-es-dR287tUiTUC1fNfPHHkfgQ>
https://tinyurl.Overview of Superfast AI-Operated Drone Escorts
Superfast AI-operated drone escorts represent a rapidly advancing
field in both military and civilian aviation, leveraging artificial
intelligence to autonomously support, protect, or augment manned and
unmanned assets.

Key Features and Capabilities
High Speed and Maneuverability: Modern AI-operated combat drones, such
as those developed under the PentagonrCOs Collaborative Combat Aircraft
(CCA) program, are designed to reach speeds up to 900 km/h and perform
complex maneuvers to escort, protect, and attack alongside manned
aircraft.

Autonomous Operation: These drones are capable of flying and making
tactical decisions independently, with minimal human intervention. AI>> agents can control flight, navigation, and mission execution,
including offensive and defensive actions.

Mission Flexibility: AI drone escorts can be equipped for various
roles, including surveillance, electronic warfare, direct attack, and>> communications relay. They can carry weapons, sensors, or jamming
equipment, acting as force multipliers for piloted aircraft.

Swarm Coordination: Advanced AI enables multiple drones to operate
cooperatively as swarms, coordinating complex missions with limited
human oversight, significantly enhancing battlefield effectiveness.

Cost Efficiency: Compared to manned fighter jets, AI-operated drone
escorts like the XQ-58A Valkyrie are much less expensive and can be
considered rCLattritable,rCY meaning they are designed to be expendable if >> necessary.

Notable Programs and Examples
Drone Model/Program Top Speed Range Role/Capability
XQ-58A Valkyrie 1,050 km/h 3,941 km Autonomous escort,
strike, surveillance, team with fighters
CCA (Collaborative Combat Aircraft) ~900 km/h N/A Escort,
scout, attack, communication relay, expendable
V-Bat Teams (Shield AI) N/A N/A Swarm surveillance, autonomous >> multi-drone operationscom/3bspfzyz

unmanned aircraft and drones are the way warfare is headed now

We'll see...
You can't seize territory using just those
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On 5/14/25 11:36 PM, Rod Speed wrote:

On Thu, 15 May 2025 10:44:39 +1000, MightyMouse
<squeak!@cheesefactory.com> wrote:

Petzl wrote:

On Sat, 10 May 2025 17:48:44 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

On 5/10/25 2:12 AM, Cesar wrote:

Once more the Albanese government has made it clear that the interests >>>>> of Australia, its sovereignty and independence, are irrelevant. The
interests and security of the Australian people and the region come a >>>>> very poor second to the governmentrCOs commitment to the USA. There is >>>>> only one interest worth pursuing and that is the US rCyalliance.rCO

It has just been revealed that the Albanese government has given the >>>>> green light for American B-52H Stratofortress bombers to be based at >>>>> Tindal RAAF base in the Northern Territory. What is significant about >>>>> these bombers is that they are capable of carrying and deploying
strategic nuclear weapons.

. . .

-a-a Ummm ... how USEFUL are B52s these days ? They're
-a-a big and slow and not stealthy. Even Iran can shoot
-a-a them down easily. Missiles/drones are the functional
-a-a replacements.

On Sat, 10 May 2025 17:48:44 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

On 5/10/25 2:12 AM, Cesar wrote:

Once more the Albanese government has made it clear that the interests >>>>> of Australia, its sovereignty and independence, are irrelevant. The
interests and security of the Australian people and the region come a >>>>> very poor second to the governmentrCOs commitment to the USA. There is >>>>> only one interest worth pursuing and that is the US rCyalliance.rCO

It has just been revealed that the Albanese government has given the >>>>> green light for American B-52H Stratofortress bombers to be based at >>>>> Tindal RAAF base in the Northern Territory. What is significant about >>>>> these bombers is that they are capable of carrying and deploying
strategic nuclear weapons.

. . .

-a-a Ummm ... how USEFUL are B52s these days ? They're
-a-a big and slow and not stealthy. Even Iran can shoot
-a-a them down easily. Missiles/drones are the functional
-a-a replacements.

The nuclear multi-warhead missles fired from them are not
They are also escorted by superfast AI operated drones
<https://www.perplexity.ai/search/superfast-ai-operated-drone-es-dR287tUiTUC1fNfPHHkfgQ>

-a-a-a-a-a-a https://tinyurl.Overview of Superfast AI-Operated Drone Escorts
Superfast AI-operated drone escorts represent a rapidly advancing
field in both military and civilian aviation, leveraging artificial
intelligence to autonomously support, protect, or augment manned and
unmanned assets.

Key Features and Capabilities
High Speed and Maneuverability: Modern AI-operated combat drones, such
as those developed under the PentagonrCOs Collaborative Combat Aircraft
(CCA) program, are designed to reach speeds up to 900 km/h and perform
complex maneuvers to escort, protect, and attack alongside manned
aircraft.

Autonomous Operation: These drones are capable of flying and making
tactical decisions independently, with minimal human intervention. AI
agents can control flight, navigation, and mission execution,
including offensive and defensive actions.

Mission Flexibility: AI drone escorts can be equipped for various
roles, including surveillance, electronic warfare, direct attack, and
communications relay. They can carry weapons, sensors, or jamming
equipment, acting as force multipliers for piloted aircraft.

Swarm Coordination: Advanced AI enables multiple drones to operate
cooperatively as swarms, coordinating complex missions with limited
human oversight, significantly enhancing battlefield effectiveness.

Cost Efficiency: Compared to manned fighter jets, AI-operated drone
escorts like the XQ-58A Valkyrie are much less expensive and can be
considered rCLattritable,rCY meaning they are designed to be expendable if >>> necessary.

Notable Programs and Examples
Drone Model/Program-a-a-a Top Speed-a-a-a Range-a-a-a Role/Capability
XQ-58A Valkyrie-a-a-a 1,050 km/h-a-a-a 3,941 km-a-a-a Autonomous escort, >>> strike, surveillance, team with fighters
CCA (Collaborative Combat Aircraft)-a-a-a ~900 km/h-a-a-a N/A Escort,
scout, attack, communication relay, expendable
V-Bat Teams (Shield AI)-a-a-a N/A-a-a-a N/A-a-a-a Swarm surveillance, autonomous
multi-drone operationscom/3bspfzyz

unmanned aircraft and drones are the way warfare is headed now

We'll see...

You can't seize territory using just those

Again ... I'm gonna say that B-52s are seriously
LAST CENTURY tech.

You can pretend drones are gonna protect them, but
I don't believe it - mostly fantasy shit there.

MODERN drones/cruise are the actually MODERN
military paradigm. FORGET the B-52s. They're
just BIG EASY TARGETS. Get REAL here folks !
Save the 52's for, like, Congo or something.
Soon not even that.

GREAT thing in the 50s ... but that was a LONG
time ago. Everything's changed.

Stealthy bombers/fighter-bombers/drones ARE
the New Thing.

Oh wait, do you want to build new 'DreadNauts',
"battle-ships" ?

TOTAL, deadly, waste and DELUSION.

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Rod Speed wrote:

On Thu, 15 May 2025 10:44:39 +1000, MightyMouse
<squeak!@cheesefactory.com> wrote:

Petzl wrote:

On Sat, 10 May 2025 17:48:44 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

On 5/10/25 2:12 AM, Cesar wrote:

Once more the Albanese government has made it clear that the interests >>>>> of Australia, its sovereignty and independence, are irrelevant. The
interests and security of the Australian people and the region come a >>>>> very poor second to the governmentrCOs commitment to the USA. There is >>>>> only one interest worth pursuing and that is the US rCyalliance.rCO

It has just been revealed that the Albanese government has given the >>>>> green light for American B-52H Stratofortress bombers to be based at >>>>> Tindal RAAF base in the Northern Territory. What is significant about >>>>> these bombers is that they are capable of carrying and deploying
strategic nuclear weapons.

. . .

-a-a Ummm ... how USEFUL are B52s these days ? They're
-a-a big and slow and not stealthy. Even Iran can shoot
-a-a them down easily. Missiles/drones are the functional
-a-a replacements.

On Sat, 10 May 2025 17:48:44 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

On 5/10/25 2:12 AM, Cesar wrote:

Once more the Albanese government has made it clear that the interests >>>>> of Australia, its sovereignty and independence, are irrelevant. The
interests and security of the Australian people and the region come a >>>>> very poor second to the governmentrCOs commitment to the USA. There is >>>>> only one interest worth pursuing and that is the US rCyalliance.rCO

It has just been revealed that the Albanese government has given the >>>>> green light for American B-52H Stratofortress bombers to be based at >>>>> Tindal RAAF base in the Northern Territory. What is significant about >>>>> these bombers is that they are capable of carrying and deploying
strategic nuclear weapons.

. . .

-a-a Ummm ... how USEFUL are B52s these days ? They're
-a-a big and slow and not stealthy. Even Iran can shoot
-a-a them down easily. Missiles/drones are the functional
-a-a replacements.

The nuclear multi-warhead missles fired from them are not
They are also escorted by superfast AI operated drones
<https://www.perplexity.ai/search/superfast-ai-operated-drone-es-dR287tUiTUC1fNfPHHkfgQ>

-a-a-a-a-a-a https://tinyurl.Overview of Superfast AI-Operated Drone Escorts
Superfast AI-operated drone escorts represent a rapidly advancing
field in both military and civilian aviation, leveraging artificial
intelligence to autonomously support, protect, or augment manned and
unmanned assets.

Key Features and Capabilities
High Speed and Maneuverability: Modern AI-operated combat drones, such
as those developed under the PentagonrCOs Collaborative Combat Aircraft
(CCA) program, are designed to reach speeds up to 900 km/h and perform
complex maneuvers to escort, protect, and attack alongside manned
aircraft.

Autonomous Operation: These drones are capable of flying and making
tactical decisions independently, with minimal human intervention. AI
agents can control flight, navigation, and mission execution,
including offensive and defensive actions.

Mission Flexibility: AI drone escorts can be equipped for various
roles, including surveillance, electronic warfare, direct attack, and
communications relay. They can carry weapons, sensors, or jamming
equipment, acting as force multipliers for piloted aircraft.

Swarm Coordination: Advanced AI enables multiple drones to operate
cooperatively as swarms, coordinating complex missions with limited
human oversight, significantly enhancing battlefield effectiveness.

Cost Efficiency: Compared to manned fighter jets, AI-operated drone
escorts like the XQ-58A Valkyrie are much less expensive and can be
considered rCLattritable,rCY meaning they are designed to be expendable if >>> necessary.

Notable Programs and Examples
Drone Model/Program-a-a-a Top Speed-a-a-a Range-a-a-a Role/Capability
XQ-58A Valkyrie-a-a-a 1,050 km/h-a-a-a 3,941 km-a-a-a Autonomous escort, >>> strike, surveillance, team with fighters
CCA (Collaborative Combat Aircraft)-a-a-a ~900 km/h-a-a-a N/A Escort,
scout, attack, communication relay, expendable
V-Bat Teams (Shield AI)-a-a-a N/A-a-a-a N/A-a-a-a Swarm surveillance, autonomous
multi-drone operationscom/3bspfzyz

unmanned aircraft and drones are the way warfare is headed now

We'll see...

You can't seize territory using just those

you can do anything with anything if you know how
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On Thu, 15 May 2025 23:34:05 +1000, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:

Rod Speed wrote:

On Thu, 15 May 2025 10:44:39 +1000, MightyMouse >> <squeak!@cheesefactory.com> wrote:

Petzl wrote:

On Sat, 10 May 2025 17:48:44 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >>>>

On 5/10/25 2:12 AM, Cesar wrote:

Once more the Albanese government has made it clear that the >>>>>> interests
of Australia, its sovereignty and independence, are irrelevant. The >>>>>> interests and security of the Australian people and the region come >>>>>> a
very poor second to the governmentrCOs commitment to the USA. There is >>>>>> only one interest worth pursuing and that is the US rCyalliance.rCO >>>>>>
It has just been revealed that the Albanese government has given the >>>>>> green light for American B-52H Stratofortress bombers to be based at >>>>>> Tindal RAAF base in the Northern Territory. What is significant >>>>>> about
these bombers is that they are capable of carrying and deploying
strategic nuclear weapons.

. . .

Ummm ... how USEFUL are B52s these days ? They're
big and slow and not stealthy. Even Iran can shoot
them down easily. Missiles/drones are the functional
replacements.

On Sat, 10 May 2025 17:48:44 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >>>>

On 5/10/25 2:12 AM, Cesar wrote:

Once more the Albanese government has made it clear that the >>>>>> interests
of Australia, its sovereignty and independence, are irrelevant. The >>>>>> interests and security of the Australian people and the region come >>>>>> a
very poor second to the governmentrCOs commitment to the USA. There is >>>>>> only one interest worth pursuing and that is the US rCyalliance.rCO >>>>>>
It has just been revealed that the Albanese government has given the >>>>>> green light for American B-52H Stratofortress bombers to be based at >>>>>> Tindal RAAF base in the Northern Territory. What is significant >>>>>> about
these bombers is that they are capable of carrying and deploying
strategic nuclear weapons.

. . .

Ummm ... how USEFUL are B52s these days ? They're
big and slow and not stealthy. Even Iran can shoot
them down easily. Missiles/drones are the functional
replacements.

The nuclear multi-warhead missles fired from them are not
They are also escorted by superfast AI operated drones
<https://www.perplexity.ai/search/superfast-ai-operated-drone-es-dR287tUiTUC1fNfPHHkfgQ> >>>> https://tinyurl.Overview of Superfast AI-Operated Drone Escorts
Superfast AI-operated drone escorts represent a rapidly advancing
field in both military and civilian aviation, leveraging artificial>>>> intelligence to autonomously support, protect, or augment manned and
unmanned assets.

Key Features and Capabilities
High Speed and Maneuverability: Modern AI-operated combat drones, such >>>> as those developed under the PentagonrCOs Collaborative Combat Aircraft >>>> (CCA) program, are designed to reach speeds up to 900 km/h and perform >>>> complex maneuvers to escort, protect, and attack alongside manned
aircraft.

Autonomous Operation: These drones are capable of flying and making>>>> tactical decisions independently, with minimal human intervention. AI
agents can control flight, navigation, and mission execution,
including offensive and defensive actions.

Mission Flexibility: AI drone escorts can be equipped for various
roles, including surveillance, electronic warfare, direct attack, and
communications relay. They can carry weapons, sensors, or jamming
equipment, acting as force multipliers for piloted aircraft.

Swarm Coordination: Advanced AI enables multiple drones to operate
cooperatively as swarms, coordinating complex missions with limited>>>> human oversight, significantly enhancing battlefield effectiveness.>>>>
Cost Efficiency: Compared to manned fighter jets, AI-operated drone>>>> escorts like the XQ-58A Valkyrie are much less expensive and can be>>>> considered rCLattritable,rCY meaning they are designed to be expendable if
necessary.

Notable Programs and Examples
Drone Model/Program Top Speed Range Role/Capability
XQ-58A Valkyrie 1,050 km/h 3,941 km Autonomous escort,
strike, surveillance, team with fighters
CCA (Collaborative Combat Aircraft) ~900 km/h N/A Escort,
scout, attack, communication relay, expendable
V-Bat Teams (Shield AI) N/A N/A Swarm surveillance, >>>> autonomous
multi-drone operationscom/3bspfzyz

unmanned aircraft and drones are the way warfare is headed now

We'll see...
You can't seize territory using just those

you can do anything with anything if you know how

Fantasy and you can't fart your way to the moon using your stash of beans in cans either
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MODERN drones/cruise are the actually MODERN
military paradigm. FORGET the B-52s. They're
just BIG EASY TARGETS. Get REAL here folks !
Save the 52's for, like, Congo or something.
Soon not even that.

GREAT thing in the 50s ... but that was a LONG
time ago. Everything's changed.

Stealthy bombers/fighter-bombers/drones ARE
the New Thing.

Oh wait, do you want to build new 'DreadNauts',
"battle-ships" ?

TOTAL, deadly, waste and DELUSION.

Yes, an "Assassination Bureau" being a department to facilitate the
wasting of critical figures would be all faster and cheaper. History
can and does change on the death of critical figures.
The failure of Putin (ex-KGB) to waste Ukrainian topdogs before the
his war was a monumental blunder.
A successful war requires:
1/ Intelligence about the victim.
2/ Causus Belli
3/ Guns, Bullets etc
4/ Winning the peace.
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Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

MODERN drones/cruise are the actually MODERN
military paradigm. FORGET the B-52s. They're
just BIG EASY TARGETS.

Mindless pig ignorant bullshit

Get REAL here folks !
Save the 52's for, like, Congo or something.
Soon not even that.

Mindless pig ignorant bullshit

GREAT thing in the 50s ... but that was a LONG
time ago. Everything's changed.

Mindless pig ignorant bullshit

Stealthy bombers/fighter-bombers/drones ARE
the New Thing.

Oh wait, do you want to build new 'DreadNauts',
"battle-ships" ?

TOTAL, deadly, waste and DELUSION.

Carrier battle groups are nothing even remotely like that
as the Japs discovered

Yes, an "Assassination Bureau" being a department to facilitate the
wasting of critical figures would be all faster and cheaper. History
can and does change on the death of critical figures.
The failure of Putin (ex-KGB) to waste Ukrainian topdogs before the
his war was a monumental blunder.
A successful war requires:
1/ Intelligence about the victim.
2/ Causus Belli
3/ Guns, Bullets etc
4/ Winning the peace.

Disnt work with any of Hitler, Stalin, FDR, Churchill, de Gaulle, Hirohito
and was useless with JFK
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On Fri, 16 May 2025 08:15:18 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

MODERN drones/cruise are the actually MODERN
military paradigm. FORGET the B-52s. They're
just BIG EASY TARGETS.

Mindless pig ignorant bullshit

Get REAL here folks !
Save the 52's for, like, Congo or something.
Soon not even that.

Mindless pig ignorant bullshit

GREAT thing in the 50s ... but that was a LONG
time ago. Everything's changed.

Mindless pig ignorant bullshit

Stealthy bombers/fighter-bombers/drones ARE
the New Thing.

Oh wait, do you want to build new 'DreadNauts',
"battle-ships" ?

TOTAL, deadly, waste and DELUSION.

Carrier battle groups are nothing even remotely like that
as the Japs discovered

Yes, an "Assassination Bureau" being a department to facilitate the
wasting of critical figures would be all faster and cheaper. History
can and does change on the death of critical figures.
The failure of Putin (ex-KGB) to waste Ukrainian topdogs before the
his war was a monumental blunder.
A successful war requires:
1/ Intelligence about the victim.
2/ Causus Belli
3/ Guns, Bullets etc
4/ Winning the peace.

Disnt work with any of Hitler, Stalin, FDR, Churchill, de Gaulle, Hirohito >and was useless with JFK

JFK was particularly useless; the efforts to assassinate Castro were
laughable. but Stalin was a master. Hitler consolidated his rise to
power by killing rivals.
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Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

MODERN drones/cruise are the actually MODERN
military paradigm. FORGET the B-52s. They're
just BIG EASY TARGETS.

Mindless pig ignorant bullshit

Get REAL here folks !

Save the 52's for, like, Congo or something.
Soon not even that.

Mindless pig ignorant bullshit

GREAT thing in the 50s ... but that was a LONG
time ago. Everything's changed.

Mindless pig ignorant bullshit

Stealthy bombers/fighter-bombers/drones ARE
the New Thing.

Oh wait, do you want to build new 'DreadNauts',
"battle-ships" ?

TOTAL, deadly, waste and DELUSION.

Carrier battle groups are nothing even remotely like that
as the Japs discovered

Yes, an "Assassination Bureau" being a department to facilitate the
wasting of critical figures would be all faster and cheaper. History
can and does change on the death of critical figures.
The failure of Putin (ex-KGB) to waste Ukrainian topdogs before the
his war was a monumental blunder.
A successful war requires:
1/ Intelligence about the victim.
2/ Causus Belli
3/ Guns, Bullets etc
4/ Winning the peace.

Disnt work with any of Hitler, Stalin, FDR, Churchill, de Gaulle,
Hirohito
and was useless with JFK

JFK was particularly useless; the efforts to assassinate Castro were laughable. but Stalin was a master. Hitler consolidated his rise to
power by killing rivals.

But no one succeeded in killing any I listed except JKF and killing him
did nothing useful what so ever
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On 5/15/25 9:34 AM, % wrote:

Rod Speed wrote:

On Thu, 15 May 2025 10:44:39 +1000, MightyMouse
<squeak!@cheesefactory.com> wrote:

Petzl wrote:

On Sat, 10 May 2025 17:48:44 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >>>>

On 5/10/25 2:12 AM, Cesar wrote:

Once more the Albanese government has made it clear that the
interests
of Australia, its sovereignty and independence, are irrelevant. The >>>>>> interests and security of the Australian people and the region come a >>>>>> very poor second to the governmentrCOs commitment to the USA. There is >>>>>> only one interest worth pursuing and that is the US rCyalliance.rCO >>>>>>
It has just been revealed that the Albanese government has given the >>>>>> green light for American B-52H Stratofortress bombers to be based at >>>>>> Tindal RAAF base in the Northern Territory. What is significant about >>>>>> these bombers is that they are capable of carrying and deploying
strategic nuclear weapons.

. . .

-a-a Ummm ... how USEFUL are B52s these days ? They're
-a-a big and slow and not stealthy. Even Iran can shoot
-a-a them down easily. Missiles/drones are the functional
-a-a replacements.

On Sat, 10 May 2025 17:48:44 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >>>>

On 5/10/25 2:12 AM, Cesar wrote:

Once more the Albanese government has made it clear that the
interests
of Australia, its sovereignty and independence, are irrelevant. The >>>>>> interests and security of the Australian people and the region come a >>>>>> very poor second to the governmentrCOs commitment to the USA. There is >>>>>> only one interest worth pursuing and that is the US rCyalliance.rCO >>>>>>
It has just been revealed that the Albanese government has given the >>>>>> green light for American B-52H Stratofortress bombers to be based at >>>>>> Tindal RAAF base in the Northern Territory. What is significant about >>>>>> these bombers is that they are capable of carrying and deploying
strategic nuclear weapons.

. . .

-a-a Ummm ... how USEFUL are B52s these days ? They're
-a-a big and slow and not stealthy. Even Iran can shoot
-a-a them down easily. Missiles/drones are the functional
-a-a replacements.

The nuclear multi-warhead missles fired from them are not
They are also escorted by superfast AI operated drones
<https://www.perplexity.ai/search/superfast-ai-operated-drone-es-dR287tUiTUC1fNfPHHkfgQ>

-a-a-a-a-a-a https://tinyurl.Overview of Superfast AI-Operated Drone Escorts
Superfast AI-operated drone escorts represent a rapidly advancing
field in both military and civilian aviation, leveraging artificial
intelligence to autonomously support, protect, or augment manned and
unmanned assets.

Key Features and Capabilities
High Speed and Maneuverability: Modern AI-operated combat drones, such >>>> as those developed under the PentagonrCOs Collaborative Combat Aircraft >>>> (CCA) program, are designed to reach speeds up to 900 km/h and perform >>>> complex maneuvers to escort, protect, and attack alongside manned
aircraft.

Autonomous Operation: These drones are capable of flying and making
tactical decisions independently, with minimal human intervention. AI
agents can control flight, navigation, and mission execution,
including offensive and defensive actions.

Mission Flexibility: AI drone escorts can be equipped for various
roles, including surveillance, electronic warfare, direct attack, and
communications relay. They can carry weapons, sensors, or jamming
equipment, acting as force multipliers for piloted aircraft.

Swarm Coordination: Advanced AI enables multiple drones to operate
cooperatively as swarms, coordinating complex missions with limited
human oversight, significantly enhancing battlefield effectiveness.

Cost Efficiency: Compared to manned fighter jets, AI-operated drone
escorts like the XQ-58A Valkyrie are much less expensive and can be
considered rCLattritable,rCY meaning they are designed to be expendable if >>>> necessary.

Notable Programs and Examples
Drone Model/Program-a-a-a Top Speed-a-a-a Range-a-a-a Role/Capability
XQ-58A Valkyrie-a-a-a 1,050 km/h-a-a-a 3,941 km-a-a-a Autonomous escort, >>>> strike, surveillance, team with fighters
CCA (Collaborative Combat Aircraft)-a-a-a ~900 km/h-a-a-a N/A Escort,
scout, attack, communication relay, expendable
V-Bat Teams (Shield AI)-a-a-a N/A-a-a-a N/A-a-a-a Swarm surveillance, autonomous
multi-drone operationscom/3bspfzyz

unmanned aircraft and drones are the way warfare is headed now

We'll see...

You can't seize territory using just those

you can do anything with anything if you know how

Nobody knows how ... or at least it's be
to 'Un-PC' ........

The previous poster keeps listing supposed FIXES
for the fault of the B-52s ... special add-on
defenses. Thing is, it just confirms that the
things are OBSOLETE ... need lots and LOTS of
"help" that may, or may not, be adequate.

Large sub-sonic un-stealthy aircraft are PRIME
TARGETS for even 3rd-world air defenses these
days. Shit, even the Houthi could take a lot
of them down.

50s tech was great in the 50s. These are NOT
the 50s anymore. Plan to bring back horse
soldiers with swords ???

B-52s and a number of other old solutions need
to be RETIRED immediately, the money sent elsewhere.
The FUTURE is drones and hyper-sonics and missiles
and 'AI' brains powering everything.

Russia knows it. China knows it. The USA/EU seems
to be lagging well behind the equation. This will
mean DECISIVE defeats in any new skirmish/wars.

THEY know it. Very bad.
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On Fri, 16 May 2025 00:36:55 -0400, c186282 wrote:

On 5/15/25 9:34 AM, % wrote:

<snip>

The previous poster keeps listing supposed FIXES
for the fault of the B-52s ... special add-on
defenses. Thing is, it just confirms that the
things are OBSOLETE ... need lots and LOTS of
"help" that may, or may not, be adequate.

Exactly. The B-52 is an expression of the first fifty years of
aviation. We're well over a century into it now and still using it?

Large sub-sonic un-stealthy aircraft are PRIME
TARGETS for even 3rd-world air defenses these
days. Shit, even the Houthi could take a lot
of them down.

I doubt the Houthi have the capability to take out a B-52.

It's advantage is payload. It's big so it can carry a *lot* of
ordnance.

50s tech was great in the 50s. These are NOT
the 50s anymore. Plan to bring back horse
soldiers with swords ???

Artillery is even older.

B-52s and a number of other old solutions need
to be RETIRED immediately, the money sent elsewhere.

The last one was built in October, 1952 . . . before even *I* was
born. Google AI says it averages 25M annually to maintain.

The FUTURE is drones and hyper-sonics and missiles
and 'AI' brains powering everything.

Yes. Skynet.

Russia knows it. China knows it. The USA/EU seems
to be lagging well behind the equation. This will
mean DECISIVE defeats in any new skirmish/wars.

I don't think they're lagging that much, but events have overtaken
them. The Europeans are being kicked out of the nest and the
Americans are skimming cream all over the place.

THEY know it. Very bad.

We ALL know it. Good.
--
https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_budget

What ARE we spending it on ... really?
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On 5/18/25 9:45 PM, Governor Swill wrote:

On Fri, 16 May 2025 00:36:55 -0400, c186282 wrote:

On 5/15/25 9:34 AM, % wrote:

<snip>

The previous poster keeps listing supposed FIXES
for the fault of the B-52s ... special add-on
defenses. Thing is, it just confirms that the
things are OBSOLETE ... need lots and LOTS of
"help" that may, or may not, be adequate.

Exactly. The B-52 is an expression of the first fifty years of
aviation. We're well over a century into it now and still using it?

The other poster does NOT want to admit it.
MAYbe old B-52 crew ?

However it's TRUE.

Large sub-sonic un-stealthy aircraft are PRIME
TARGETS for even 3rd-world air defenses these
days. Shit, even the Houthi could take a lot
of them down.

I doubt the Houthi have the capability to take out a B-52.

Iran MAY provide them with it however ...

It's advantage is payload. It's big so it can carry a *lot* of
ordnance.

Yea, but mostly STUPID ordinance. MIGHT hit within
a quarter mile ...

50s tech was great in the 50s. These are NOT
the 50s anymore. Plan to bring back horse
soldiers with swords ???

Artillery is even older.

THAT still seems to have a place, regardless of
age. Modern artillery can be VERY accurate.

B-52s and a number of other old solutions need
to be RETIRED immediately, the money sent elsewhere.

The last one was built in October, 1952 . . . before even *I* was
born. Google AI says it averages 25M annually to maintain.

The FUTURE is drones and hyper-sonics and missiles
and 'AI' brains powering everything.

Yes. Skynet.

Kinda ....

Russia knows it. China knows it. The USA/EU seems
to be lagging well behind the equation. This will
mean DECISIVE defeats in any new skirmish/wars.

I don't think they're lagging that much, but events have overtaken
them. The Europeans are being kicked out of the nest and the
Americans are skimming cream all over the place.

The USA relies TOO much on last-century mil-tech.

THEY know it. Very bad.

We ALL know it. Good.

But it seems NOTHING will be done ...

It'd be kind of like relying on horse cavalry to
win WW2. The old generals LOVE the pomp and WILL
hang on to it all for as long as possible Just
Because. That kind of thinking created the WW-1
"lost generation" ......... dread to think what
it will cause TOMORROW.


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On 18/5/25 23:11, c186282 wrote:

Exactly. The B-52 is an expression of the first fifty years of
aviation. We're well over a century into it now and still
using it?

The other poster does NOT want to admit it.
MAYbe old B-52 crew ?

However it's TRUE.

Large sub-sonic un-stealthy aircraft are PRIME
TARGETS for even 3rd-world air defenses these
days. Shit, even the Houthi could take a lot
of them down.

I doubt the Houthi have the capability to take out a B-52.

Iran MAY provide them with it however ...

It's advantage is payload. It's big so it can carry a *lot* of
ordnance.

Yea, but mostly STUPID ordinance. MIGHT hit within
a quarter mile ...

50s tech was great in the 50s. These are NOT
the 50s anymore. Plan to bring back horse
soldiers with swords ???

Artillery is even older.

THAT still seems to have a place, regardless of
age. Modern artillery can be VERY accurate.

B-52s and a number of other old solutions need
to be RETIRED immediately, the money sent elsewhere.

The last one was built in October, 1952 . . . before even *I* was
born. Google AI says it averages 25M annually to maintain.

The FUTURE is drones and hyper-sonics and missiles
and 'AI' brains powering everything.

Yes. Skynet.

Kinda ....

Russia knows it. China knows it. The USA/EU seems
to be lagging well behind the equation. This will
mean DECISIVE defeats in any new skirmish/wars.

I don't think they're lagging that much, but events have overtaken
them. The Europeans are being kicked out of the nest and the
Americans are skimming cream all over the place.

The USA relies TOO much on last-century mil-tech.

Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've
constructed. The ability to destroy a planet, or even a whole
system, is insignificant next to the power of the Force.
--
Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed
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In aus.legal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

On 5/18/25 9:45 PM, Governor Swill wrote:

On Fri, 16 May 2025 00:36:55 -0400, c186282 wrote:

On 5/15/25 9:34 AM, % wrote:

<snip>

The previous poster keeps listing supposed FIXES
for the fault of the B-52s ... special add-on
defenses. Thing is, it just confirms that the
things are OBSOLETE ... need lots and LOTS of
"help" that may, or may not, be adequate.

Exactly. The B-52 is an expression of the first fifty years of
aviation. We're well over a century into it now and still using it?

The other poster does NOT want to admit it.
MAYbe old B-52 crew ?

However it's TRUE.

In terms of usage you could argue that that B-52s do much more
active service than the other nuclear deterrents of nuclear subs
and ICBMs. You just need to read over the Wikipedia page to see
how the USA is able to use them fairly regularly for sub-doomsday
tasks where an ICBM might be rather inappropriate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-52_Stratofortress#21st_century_service

Large sub-sonic un-stealthy aircraft are PRIME
TARGETS for even 3rd-world air defenses these
days. Shit, even the Houthi could take a lot
of them down.

I doubt the Houthi have the capability to take out a B-52.

Iran MAY provide them with it however ...

Well their capacity for downing a B-52 might be unknown but the
Houthi's on their own have come close to hitting the latest F-35
fighters because their low-tech arms aren't detected by its
high-tech defences, so even fully modern tech isn't 100%:

https://www.twz.com/air/how-the-houthis-rickety-air-defenses-can-threaten-the-stealthy-f-35

B-52s and a number of other old solutions need
to be RETIRED immediately, the money sent elsewhere.

The last one was built in October, 1952 . . . before even *I* was
born. Google AI says it averages 25M annually to maintain.

Oh no, political arguments fuelled by AI BS are here! Wikipedia
isn't perfectly trustworthy either but they have a cited statement
that the last of the currently-operational B-52H model "B-52H AF
Serial No. 61-40, left the factory on 26 October 1962".

Now they're developing a new B-52J model "To be operational before
the end of the 2020s". So with the typical delays of modern US
military programmes I guess that means sometime this century.

The US airforce themselves say:
"The B-52A first flew in 1954, and the B model entered service in
1955. A total of 744 B-52s were built, with the last, a B-52H,
delivered in October 1962."
https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104465/b-52h-stratofortress/

That Air Force webpage also points out that they drop modern
weapons like cruise missiles from them which can be very precise
and useful in the wars they actually do fight, against ISIS and the
like.

The FUTURE is drones and hyper-sonics and missiles
and 'AI' brains powering everything.

Yes. Skynet.

Kinda ....

Maybe they'll start dropping AI drones from B-52s, that's similar
to modern cruise missiles they drop already anyway. Just think of
it as a massive high-altitude drone mothership with the capacity to
destroy a whole country. Seem modern again now?
--
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#_ < |\| |< _#
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Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote

c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote

Governor Swill wrote

c186282 wrote

% wrote

The previous poster keeps listing supposed FIXES
for the fault of the B-52s ... special add-on
defenses. Thing is, it just confirms that the
things are OBSOLETE ... need lots and LOTS of
"help" that may, or may not, be adequate.

Exactly. The B-52 is an expression of the first fifty years of
aviation. We're well over a century into it now and still using it?

Because they are still very useful in some scenarios like the Gulf Wars etc

The other poster does NOT want to admit it.
MAYbe old B-52 crew ?

However it's TRUE.

In terms of usage you could argue that that B-52s do much more
active service than the other nuclear deterrents of nuclear subs
and ICBMs.

The B52s are not nuclear deterrents

You just need to read over the Wikipedia page to see
how the USA is able to use them fairly regularly for sub-doomsday
tasks where an ICBM might be rather inappropriate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-52_Stratofortress#21st_century_service

Large sub-sonic un-stealthy aircraft are PRIME
TARGETS for even 3rd-world air defenses these
days. Shit, even the Houthi could take a lot
of them down.

I doubt the Houthi have the capability to take out a B-52.

Iran MAY provide them with it however ...

Iran doesnt have anything that can do that

Well their capacity for downing a B-52 might be unknown

But we do know that no one has managed to do that

but the Houthi's on their own have come close to hitting the latest F-35 fighters

Bullshit

because their low-tech arms aren't detected by its
high-tech defences,

More bullshit

so even fully modern tech isn't 100%:

Nothing is 100%

https://www.twz.com/air/how-the-houthis-rickety-air-defenses-can-threaten-the-stealthy-f-35

Just because some fool claims something...

B-52s and a number of other old solutions need
to be RETIRED immediately, the money sent elsewhere.

Mindlessly silly

The last one was built in October, 1952 . . . before even *I* was
born. Google AI says it averages 25M annually to maintain.

Oh no, political arguments fuelled by AI BS are here! Wikipedia
isn't perfectly trustworthy either but they have a cited statement
that the last of the currently-operational B-52H model "B-52H AF
Serial No. 61-40, left the factory on 26 October 1962".

Now they're developing a new B-52J model "To be operational before
the end of the 2020s". So with the typical delays of modern US
military programmes I guess that means sometime this century.

Guess again

The US airforce themselves say:
"The B-52A first flew in 1954, and the B model entered service in
1955. A total of 744 B-52s were built, with the last, a B-52H,
delivered in October 1962."
https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104465/b-52h-stratofortress/

That Air Force webpage also points out that they drop modern
weapons like cruise missiles from them which can be very precise
and useful in the wars they actually do fight, against ISIS and the
like.

The FUTURE is drones and hyper-sonics and missiles
and 'AI' brains powering everything.

Yes. Skynet.

Kinda ....

Maybe they'll start dropping AI drones from B-52s, that's similar
to modern cruise missiles they drop already anyway. Just think of
it as a massive high-altitude drone mothership with the capacity to
destroy a whole country. Seem modern again now?

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On Mon, 19 May 2025 02:11:20 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

On 5/18/25 9:45 PM, Governor Swill wrote:

On Fri, 16 May 2025 00:36:55 -0400, c186282 wrote:

On 5/15/25 9:34 AM, % wrote:

<snip>

The previous poster keeps listing supposed FIXES
for the fault of the B-52s ... special add-on
defenses. Thing is, it just confirms that the
things are OBSOLETE ... need lots and LOTS of
"help" that may, or may not, be adequate.

Exactly. The B-52 is an expression of the first fifty years of
aviation. We're well over a century into it now and still using it?

The other poster does NOT want to admit it.
MAYbe old B-52 crew ?

However it's TRUE.

Large sub-sonic un-stealthy aircraft are PRIME
TARGETS for even 3rd-world air defenses these
days. Shit, even the Houthi could take a lot
of them down.

I doubt the Houthi have the capability to take out a B-52.

Iran MAY provide them with it however ...

It's advantage is payload. It's big so it can carry a *lot* of
ordnance.

Yea, but mostly STUPID ordinance. MIGHT hit within
a quarter mile ...

Um, no. Keep up. The B-52 carries an array of smart weapons. It's
radar, avionics, computers and sensors have all been updated to modern standards. A B-52 could stick missile up a camel's ass from six miles
up.

50s tech was great in the 50s. These are NOT
the 50s anymore. Plan to bring back horse
soldiers with swords ???

Artillery is even older.

THAT still seems to have a place, regardless of
age. Modern artillery can be VERY accurate.

B-52s and a number of other old solutions need
to be RETIRED immediately, the money sent elsewhere.

The last one was built in October, 1952 . . . before even *I* was
born. Google AI says it averages 25M annually to maintain.

The FUTURE is drones and hyper-sonics and missiles
and 'AI' brains powering everything.

Yes. Skynet.

Kinda ....

Russia knows it. China knows it. The USA/EU seems
to be lagging well behind the equation. This will
mean DECISIVE defeats in any new skirmish/wars.

I don't think they're lagging that much, but events have overtaken
them. The Europeans are being kicked out of the nest and the
Americans are skimming cream all over the place.

The USA relies TOO much on last-century mil-tech.

The US is cutting edge. What planet are you on?

THEY know it. Very bad.

We ALL know it. Good.

But it seems NOTHING will be done ...

Just because the Pentagon isn't keeping you updated with the latest
military secrets doesn't mean they don't have a handle on it.

It'd be kind of like relying on horse cavalry to
win WW2. The old generals LOVE the pomp and WILL
hang on to it all for as long as possible Just
Because. That kind of thinking created the WW-1
"lost generation" ......... dread to think what
it will cause TOMORROW.

What color is the sky on your world?
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On 5/21/25 04:21, Governor Swill wrote:

On Mon, 19 May 2025 02:11:20 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

On 5/18/25 9:45 PM, Governor Swill wrote:

On Fri, 16 May 2025 00:36:55 -0400, c186282 wrote:

On 5/15/25 9:34 AM, % wrote:

<snip>

The previous poster keeps listing supposed FIXES
for the fault of the B-52s ... special add-on
defenses. Thing is, it just confirms that the
things are OBSOLETE ... need lots and LOTS of
"help" that may, or may not, be adequate.

Exactly. The B-52 is an expression of the first fifty years of
aviation. We're well over a century into it now and still using it?

The other poster does NOT want to admit it.
MAYbe old B-52 crew ?

However it's TRUE.

Large sub-sonic un-stealthy aircraft are PRIME
TARGETS for even 3rd-world air defenses these
days. Shit, even the Houthi could take a lot
of them down.

I doubt the Houthi have the capability to take out a B-52.

They have the capability.

Many have for decades, which is precisely why high standoff weapons (eg
cruise missiles) were developed for the B52 over thirty (30) Years ago.

Iran MAY provide them with it however ...

It's advantage is payload. It's big so it can carry a *lot* of
ordnance.

Yea, but mostly STUPID ordinance. MIGHT hit within
a quarter mile ...

Um, no. Keep up. The B-52 carries an array of smart weapons. It's
radar, avionics, computers and sensors have all been updated to modern standards. A B-52 could stick missile up a camel's ass from six miles
up.

Sure...if there's not GPS jamming /s

50s tech was great in the 50s. These are NOT
the 50s anymore. Plan to bring back horse
soldiers with swords ???

Artillery is even older.

THAT still seems to have a place, regardless of
age. Modern artillery can be VERY accurate.

B-52s and a number of other old solutions need
to be RETIRED immediately, the money sent elsewhere.

The last one was built in October, 1952 . . . before even *I* was
born. Google AI says it averages 25M annually to maintain.

The FUTURE is drones and hyper-sonics and missiles
and 'AI' brains powering everything.

Yes. Skynet.

Kinda ....

Russia knows it. China knows it. The USA/EU seems
to be lagging well behind the equation. This will
mean DECISIVE defeats in any new skirmish/wars.

I don't think they're lagging that much, but events have overtaken
them. The Europeans are being kicked out of the nest and the
Americans are skimming cream all over the place.

The USA relies TOO much on last-century mil-tech.

The US is cutting edge. What planet are you on?

The high costs tend to result in very long lifecycle durations.

For example, the Army's M109 self-propelled howitzer ended its actual production in 1969: every M109 "produced" since then has been upgrades & refurbs which have reused that original batch of hulls from the 1960s...

...and even then, the existence of upgrade programs doesn't mean that
the entire fleet has been upgraded to that latest specification.



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On 21/5/25 1:21, Governor Swill wrote:

Um, no. Keep up. The B-52 carries an array of smart weapons. It's
radar, avionics, computers and sensors have all been updated to modern standards. A B-52 could stick missile up a camel's ass from six miles
up.

It becomes a Ship of Theseus. Like an airliner every few years
the plane is completely disassembled and all parts are examined.
Those showing wear are replaced. Then the plane is reassembled.
And as above brand new bits and bobs can be added keeping it up
to date.

The B52 will continue to be used as long as it the best way to
drop stuff that goes bang on an enemy.

Navies use war ships that are a century old.
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Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote

Governor Swill wrote

Um, no. Keep up. The B-52 carries an array of smart weapons. It's
radar, avionics, computers and sensors have all been updated to modern
standards. A B-52 could stick missile up a camel's ass from six miles
up.

It becomes a Ship of Theseus. Like an airliner every few years theplane
is completely disassembled and all parts are examined.

Bullshit

Those showing wear are replaced.

More bullshit

Then the plane is reassembled. And as above brandnew bits and bobs can
be added keeping it up to date.

The B52 will continue to be used as long as it the bestway to drop
stuff that goes bang on an enemy.

Navies use war ships that are a century old.

More bullshit
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On 5/21/2025 10:17 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:

On 21/5/25 1:21, Governor Swill wrote:

Um, no.-a Keep up.-a The B-52 carries an array of smart weapons.-a It's
radar, avionics, computers and sensors have all been updated to modern
standards.-a A B-52 could stick missile up a camel's ass from six miles
up.

It becomes a Ship of Theseus. Like an airliner every few years the plane is completely disassembled and all parts are examined. Those showing wear are replaced. Then the plane is reassembled. And as above brand new bits and bobs
can be added keeping it up to date.

The B52 will continue to be used as long as it the best way to drop stuff that
goes bang on an enemy.

Navies use war ships that are a century old.

Cut the bullshit. There is not a deployed ship in any navy in the world that is
a century old.
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In aus.legal Gary Roselles <Yeowrghis@jurgis.net> wrote:

On 5/21/2025 10:17 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:

On 21/5/25 1:21, Governor Swill wrote:

Um, no. Keep up. The B-52 carries an array of smart weapons. It's
radar, avionics, computers and sensors have all been updated to modern
standards. A B-52 could stick missile up a camel's ass from six miles
up.

It becomes a Ship of Theseus. Like an airliner every few years the plane is >> completely disassembled and all parts are examined. Those showing wear are >> replaced. Then the plane is reassembled. And as above brand new bits and bobs
can be added keeping it up to date.

The B52 will continue to be used as long as it the best way to drop stuff that
goes bang on an enemy.

Navies use war ships that are a century old.

Cut the bullshit. There is not a deployed ship in any navy in the world that is
a century old.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_rescue_ship_Kommuna
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On 5/21/25 17:20, Gary Roselles wrote:

On 5/21/2025 10:17 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:

On 21/5/25 1:21, Governor Swill wrote:

Um, no.-a Keep up.-a The B-52 carries an array of smart weapons.-a It's
radar, avionics, computers and sensors have all been updated to modern
standards.-a A B-52 could stick missile up a camel's ass from six miles
up.

It becomes a Ship of Theseus. Like an airliner every few years the
plane is completely disassembled and all parts are examined. Those
showing wear are replaced. Then the plane is reassembled. And as above
brand new bits and bobs can be added keeping it up to date.

The B52 will continue to be used as long as it the best way to drop
stuff that goes bang on an enemy.

Navies use war ships that are a century old.

Cut the bullshit. There is not a deployed ship in any navy in the world
that is a century old.

The USS Constitution (1797) is still commissioned, so it is technically
still an active and deployable ship. They just had it out sailing in
Boston Harbor earlier this month.

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On 21/5/25 14:20, Gary Roselles wrote:

On 5/21/2025 10:17 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:

On 21/5/25 1:21, Governor Swill wrote:

Um, no. Keep up. The B-52 carries an array of smart
weapons. It's
radar, avionics, computers and sensors have all been updated
to modern
standards. A B-52 could stick missile up a camel's ass from
six miles
up.

It becomes a Ship of Theseus. Like an airliner every few years
the plane is completely disassembled and all parts are
examined. Those showing wear are replaced. Then the plane is
reassembled. And as above brand new bits and bobs can be added
keeping it up to date.

The B52 will continue to be used as long as it the best way to
drop stuff that goes bang on an enemy.

Navies use war ships that are a century old.

Cut the bullshit. There is not a deployed ship in any navy in the
world that is a century old.

Like the Constitution or Kommuna?
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On Thu, 22 May 2025 06:27:30 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote

Governor Swill wrote

Um, no. Keep up. The B-52 carries an array of smart weapons. It's
radar, avionics, computers and sensors have all been updated to modern
standards. A B-52 could stick missile up a camel's ass from six miles >>> up.

It becomes a Ship of Theseus. Like an airliner every few years theplane >> is completely disassembled and all parts are examined.

Bullshit

Cite?

Those showing wear are replaced.

More bullshit

Cite?

Then the plane is reassembled. And as above brandnew bits and bobs can
be added keeping it up to date.

The B52 will continue to be used as long as it the bestway to drop
stuff that goes bang on an enemy.

Navies use war ships that are a century old.

More bullshit

Cite?
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On Wed, 21 May 2025 19:03:13 -0400, -hh
<recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

On 5/21/25 17:20, Gary Roselles wrote:

On 5/21/2025 10:17 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:

On 21/5/25 1:21, Governor Swill wrote:

Um, no.a Keep up.a The B-52 carries an array of smart weapons.a It's
radar, avionics, computers and sensors have all been updated to modern >>>> standards.a A B-52 could stick missile up a camel's ass from six miles >>>> up.

It becomes a Ship of Theseus. Like an airliner every few years the
plane is completely disassembled and all parts are examined. Those
showing wear are replaced. Then the plane is reassembled. And as above
brand new bits and bobs can be added keeping it up to date.

The B52 will continue to be used as long as it the best way to drop
stuff that goes bang on an enemy.

Navies use war ships that are a century old.

Cut the bullshit. There is not a deployed ship in any navy in the world
that is a century old.

The USS Constitution (1797) is still commissioned, so it is technically >still an active and deployable ship. They just had it out sailing in
Boston Harbor earlier this month.

-hh

Doesn't count. It's a museum piece.

Anybody know of a ship over a century old still being used and
deployed by any navy?
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Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote

Governor Swill wrote

Um, no. Keep up. The B-52 carries an array of smart weapons. It's
radar, avionics, computers and sensors have all been updated to modern >>>> standards. A B-52 could stick missile up a camel's ass from six
miles up.

It becomes a Ship of Theseus. Like an airliner every few years the
plane is completely disassembled and all parts are examined.

Bullshit

Cite?

YOU made that stupid claim about completely disassembled

YOU get to do the citing

Those showing wear are replaced.

More bullshit

Cite?

YOU made that stupid claim that anything showing any wear is always
replaced

YOU get to do the citing

Then the plane is reassembled. And as above brandnew bits and bobs can
be added keeping it up to date.

The B52 will continue to be used as long as it the bestway to drop
stuff that goes bang on an enemy.

Navies use war ships that are a century old.

More bullshit

Cite?

YOU made that stupid claim

YOU get to do the citing
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On Fri, 23 May 2025 14:49:01 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote

Governor Swill wrote

Um, no. Keep up. The B-52 carries an array of smart weapons. It's >>>>> radar, avionics, computers and sensors have all been updated to modern >>>>> standards. A B-52 could stick missile up a camel's ass from six
miles up.

It becomes a Ship of Theseus. Like an airliner every few years the
plane is completely disassembled and all parts are examined.

Bullshit

Cite?

YOU made that stupid claim about completely disassembled

No, I didn't.

I'm asking for someone in this thread to cite something they wrote.

Evidently that isn't going to happen.

<snip>
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America is the richest, most powerful, most inflential most a
dmired nation that has ever existed in the whole of human history.

Why can't MAGAs be satisfied with that?

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Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote

Governor Swill wrote

Um, no. Keep up. The B-52 carries an array of smart weapons. It's >>>>>> radar, avionics, computers and sensors have all been updated to
modern standards. A B-52 could stick missile up a camel's ass
from six
miles up.

It becomes a Ship of Theseus. Like an airliner every few years the
plane is completely disassembled and all parts are examined.

Bullshit

Cite?

YOU made that stupid claim about completely disassembled

No, I didn't.

I'm asking for someone in this thread to cite something they wrote.

Then you should have said that immediately after where they wrote that

Evidently that isn't going to happen.

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On 5/23/25 1:40 AM, Rod Speed wrote:

Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote

Governor Swill wrote

Um, no.a Keep up.a The B-52 carries an array of smart weapons.a It's >>>>>>> radar, avionics, computers and sensors have all been updated to >>>>>>> moderna standards.a A B-52 could stick missile up a camel's ass >>>>>>> from six
milesa up.

It becomes a Ship of Theseus. Like an airliner every few years the >>>>>> planea is completely disassembled and all parts are examined.

Bullshit

Cite?

YOU made that stupid claim about completely disassembled

No, I didn't.

I'm asking for someone in this thread to cite something they wrote.

Then you should have said that immediately after where they wrote that

Who thinks Swill and friends are WORTH that
much effort ??? :-)

Hey, we don't get PAID to post here ...

OK, maybe the Hamas/Rus people .....
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On Fri, 23 May 2025 02:29:45 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

Who thinks Swill and friends are WORTH that
much effort ??? :-)

Iow, you're all posting bullshit so there's no point in anybody
reading what you write.

-
America is the richest, most powerful, most influential, most a
dmired nation that has ever existed in the whole of human history.

Why can't MAGAs be satisfied with that?

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In aus.legal Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2025 19:03:13 -0400, -hh
<recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

On 5/21/25 17:20, Gary Roselles wrote:

On 5/21/2025 10:17 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:

Navies use war ships that are a century old.

Cut the bullshit. There is not a deployed ship in any navy in the world >>> that is a century old.

The USS Constitution (1797) is still commissioned, so it is technically >>still an active and deployable ship. They just had it out sailing in >>Boston Harbor earlier this month.

Doesn't count. It's a museum piece.

Anybody know of a ship over a century old still being used and
deployed by any navy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_rescue_ship_Kommuna http://www.hisutton.com/Russian-Navy-Moskva-Cruiser-Wreck.html
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On 5/23/25 4:22 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

In aus.legal Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2025 19:03:13 -0400, -hh
<recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

On 5/21/25 17:20, Gary Roselles wrote:

On 5/21/2025 10:17 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:

Navies use war ships that are a century old.

Cut the bullshit. There is not a deployed ship in any navy in the world >>>> that is a century old.

The USS Constitution (1797) is still commissioned, so it is technically
still an active and deployable ship. They just had it out sailing in
Boston Harbor earlier this month.

Doesn't count. It's a museum piece.

Anybody know of a ship over a century old still being used and
deployed by any navy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_rescue_ship_Kommuna http://www.hisutton.com/Russian-Navy-Moskva-Cruiser-Wreck.html

It's MOSTLY a 'pride/historical' thing.

However after the giant solar flare or huge
EMP attack, these MAY be the only things still
floating - so .........

Don't be TOO critical of "low-tech backup
systems". I really HOPE the US Mil still has
old tube-based shortwave systems and a few
prop planes and such that still use magneto
ignition.
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c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote

Computer Nerd Kev wrote

Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote

Gary Roselles wrote

Siri Cruz wrote

Navies use war ships that are a century old.

Cut the bullshit. There is not a deployed shipin any navy in the
world that is a century old.

The USS Constitution (1797) is still commissioned,so it is
technically still an active and deployable ship. They just had it out >>>> sailing in Boston Harbor earlier this month.

Doesn't count. It's a museum piece.

Anybody know of a ship over a century oldstill being used and deployed >>> by any navy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_rescue_ship_Kommuna
http://www.hisutton.com/Russian-Navy-Moskva-Cruiser-Wreck.html

It's MOSTLY a 'pride/historical' thing.

However after the giant solar flare or huge
EMP attack, these MAY be the only things still
floating - so .........

Bullshit on the still floating and it won't be going
anywhere anyway and even if they can do that,
just one or two won't be any use anyway

Don't be TOO critical of "low-tech backup systems".

They aren't "low-tech backup systems".

I really HOPE the US Mil still has
old tube-based shortwave systems

They aren't that stupid

and a few prop planes

They aren't that stupid

and such that still use magneto ignition.

There are plenty of very small planes like that like the Cessna 172 but
there is a fat lot of use those would be to the military after a nuke holocaust

Celestial navigation when the ship aint going anywhere in spades
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On 5/24/25 1:38 AM, Rod Speed wrote:

c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote

Computer Nerd Kev wrote

Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote

Gary Roselles wrote

Siri Cruz wrote

Navies use war ships that are a century old.

Cut the bullshit. There is not a deployed shipin any navy in the >>>>>> worlda that is a century old.

The USS Constitution (1797) is still commissioned,so it is
technically still an active and deployable ship. They just had it
out sailing ina Boston Harbor earlier this month.

Doesn't count.a It's a museum piece.

Anybody know of a ship over a century oldstill being used and
deployed by any navy?

ahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_rescue_ship_Kommuna
http://www.hisutton.com/Russian-Navy-Moskva-Cruiser-Wreck.html

aa It's MOSTLY a 'pride/historical' thing.

aa However after the giant solar flare or huge
aa EMP attack, these MAY be the only things still
aa floating - so .........

Bullshit on the still floating and it won't be going
anywhere anyway and even if they can do that,
just one or two won't be any use anyway

aa Don't be TOO critical of "low-tech backupa systems".

They aren't "low-tech backupa systems".

Umm ... depends on the exact SITUATION, doesn't it ? :-)

aa I really HOPE the US Mil still has
aa old tube-based shortwave systems

They aren't that stupid

aa and a fewa prop planes

They aren't that stupid

Maybe they ARE ... your response WORRIES me.

ALWAYS keep some prev-gen stuff, Just In Case.

It should be hack-impervious, EMP impervious.

If the fecal matter impacts the rotating airfoil ...

and such that still use magnetoa ignition.

There are plenty of very small planes like that like the Cessna 172 but
there is a fat lot of use those would be to the military after a nuke holocaust

Yea, but they're pretty SMALL and SLOW - I know,
I've flown them.

Celestial navigation when the ship aint going anywhere in spades

Apollo crews used 'celestial navigation' - came in
esp useful for '13'.
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Because magats are so frickin' stupid...

https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104465/b-52h-stratofortress/

Mission
The B-52H Stratofortress is a long-range,
heavy bomber that can perform a variety of
missions. The bomber is capable of flying at
high subsonic speeds at altitudes of up to
50,000 feet (15,166.6 meters). It can carry
nuclear or precision guided conventional
ordnance with worldwide precision navigation
capability.

Features
In a conventional conflict, the B-52 can
perform strategic attack, close-air support,
air interdiction, offensive counter-air and
maritime operations.
...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-52_Stratofortress

Weapons upgrades include the 1760 Internal
Weapons Bay Upgrade (IWBU), which gives a
66 percent increase in weapons payload using
a digital interface (MIL-STD-1760) and rotary
launcher. IWBU is expected to cost roughly
US$313 million. The 1760 IWBU will allow the
B-52 to carry eight[80] JDAM 2,000-pound
(910 kg) bombs, AGM-158B JASSM-ER cruise
missiles and ADM-160C MALD-J decoy missiles
internally. All 1760 IWBUs should be operational
by October 2017. Two bombers will have the
ability to carry 40 weapons in place of the 36
that three B-52s can carry.[81] The 1760 IWBU
allows precision-guided missiles or bombs to be
deployed from inside the weapons bay; the
previous aircraft carried these munitions
externally on the wing hardpoints. This
increases the number of guided weapons (Joint
Direct Attack Munition or JDAM) a B-52 can carry
and reduces the need for guided bombs to be
carried on the wings. The first phase will allow
a B-52 to carry twenty-four GBU-38 500-pound
guided bombs or twenty GBU-31 2,000-pound bombs,
with later phases accommodating the JASSM and
MALD family of missiles.[82] In addition to
carrying more smart bombs, moving them internally
from the wings reduces drag and achieves a
15 percent reduction in fuel consumption.

The B-52 is due to receive a range of upgrades
alongside a planned engine retrofit. These
upgrades aim to modernize the sensors and
displays of the B-52.


ETC



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