https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-promises-80-000-pages-of-jfk-files-released-tomorrow/4b04e51f-9098-47d4-a352-6786a8e5fce3
or
https://tinyurl.com/yjre4ebb
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 12:47:11 +1100, MightyMouse
<"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-promises-80-000-pages-of-jfk-files-released-tomorrow/4b04e51f-9098-47d4-a352-6786a8e5fce3Great.,
or
https://tinyurl.com/yjre4ebb
We will now see how similar Kennedy is to Putin regarding sensitivity
to someone entering their respective "sphere of influence".
Kennedy put on a great hissy fit when the Russians moved weapons into
Cuba. Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to move
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-promises-80-000-pages-of-jfk-files-released-tomorrow/4b04e51f-9098-47d4-a352-6786a8e5fce3
or
https://tinyurl.com/yjre4ebb
We will now see how similar Kennedy is to Putin regarding sensitivityThe files are about the assassination of John F Kennedy in 1963. How
to someone entering their respective "sphere of influence".
Peter Jason wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 12:47:11 +1100, MightyMouse
<"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-promises-80-000-pages-of-jfk-files-released-tomorrow/4b04e51f-9098-47d4-a352-6786a8e5fce3Great.,
or
https://tinyurl.com/yjre4ebb
We will now see how similar Kennedy is to Putin regarding sensitivity
to someone entering their respective "sphere of influence".
Kennedy put on a great hissy fit when the Russians moved weapons into
Cuba. Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to move
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/the-real-reason-russia-invaded-ukraine-hint-its-not-nato-expansion/
or https://tinyurl.com/a2r4kwnf
On 18/03/2025 1:24 pm, Peter Jason wrote:Surely there's more to it than that?
We will now see how similar Kennedy is to Putin regarding sensitivityThe files are about the assassination of John F Kennedy in 1963. How
to someone entering their respective "sphere of influence".
does that relate to "how similar Kennedy is to Putin"?
Surely there's more to it than that?
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-promises-80-000-pages-of-jfk-files-released-tomorrow/4b04e51f-9098-47d4-a352-6786a8e5fce3
or
https://tinyurl.com/yjre4ebb
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-promises-80-000-pages-of-jfk-files-released-tomorrow/4b04e51f-9098-47d4-a352-6786a8e5fce3
or
https://tinyurl.com/yjre4ebb
MightyMouse wrote:
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-promises-80-000-pages-of-jfk-files-released-tomorrow/4b04e51f-9098-47d4-a352-6786a8e5fce3
or
https://tinyurl.com/yjre4ebb
I suspect RFK Junior demanded this in return for dropping out of race
and supporting Trump last year.
We will now see how similar Kennedy is to Putin regarding sensitivity
to someone entering their respective "sphere of influence".
Kennedy put on a great hissy fit when the Russians moved weapons into
Cuba. Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to move
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
We will now see how similar Kennedy is to Putin regarding sensitivity
to someone entering their respective "sphere of influence".
Kennedy put on a great hissy fit when the Russians moved weapons into
Cuba.
Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to moveExactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying to
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his
political failings domestically.
I'm not sure if there's more to be learnt about Kennedy during the
Cuban missile crisis, though the article does say:
"The releases have also contributed to the understanding of that
time period during the Cold War, researchers said."
The tide has turned in Latin America (even pre-Trump) according to
this article, with China showing more influence there than the USA.
It says "the United States remains the preferred defense partner",
but it looks like there's ground for a repeat of Cuba one day, with
the Chinese arming a US neighbour instead of the Russians.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/ending-strategic-vacuum-us-strategy-china-latin-america
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
We will now see how similar Kennedy is to Putin regarding sensitivity
to someone entering their respective "sphere of influence".
Kennedy put on a great hissy fit when the Russians moved weapons into
Cuba.
oh sure. nuclear weapons on your doorstep is nothing to be concerned
about, right?
Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to moveExactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying to
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his
political failings domestically.
what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect Zilensky
to just let him take over the country?
In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
We will now see how similar Kennedy is to Putin regarding sensitivity
to someone entering their respective "sphere of influence".
Kennedy put on a great hissy fit when the Russians moved weapons into
Cuba. Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to move
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
Exactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying to
tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his
political failings domestically.
I'm not sure if there's more to be learnt about Kennedy during the
Cuban missile crisis, though the article does say:
"The releases have also contributed to the understanding of that
time period during the Cold War, researchers said."
The tide has turned in Latin America (even pre-Trump) according to
this article, with China showing more influence there than the USA.
It says "the United States remains the preferred defense partner",
but it looks like there's ground for a repeat of Cuba one day, with
the Chinese arming a US neighbour instead of the Russians.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/ending-strategic-vacuum-us-strategy-china-latin-america
Ozix wrote:
MightyMouse wrote:
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-promises-80-000-pages-of-jfk-files-released-tomorrow/4b04e51f-9098-47d4-a352-6786a8e5fce3
or
https://tinyurl.com/yjre4ebb
I suspect RFK Junior demanded this in return for dropping out of race
and supporting Trump last year.
could be
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:The Russians got the same capability from nuclear subs not long
In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:oh sure. nuclear weapons on your doorstep is nothing to be concerned
We will now see how similar Kennedy is to Putin regarding sensitivity
to someone entering their respective "sphere of influence".
Kennedy put on a great hissy fit when the Russians moved weapons into
Cuba.
about, right?
afterwards anyway.
The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion.what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect ZilenskyPutin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to moveExactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying to
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his
political failings domestically.
to just let him take over the country?
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 01:00:05 +1100, MightyMouse
<"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Ozix wrote:Trump before his election stated he was going to release these
MightyMouse wrote:could be
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-promises-80-000-pages-of-jfk-files-released-tomorrow/4b04e51f-9098-47d4-a352-6786a8e5fce3I suspect RFK Junior demanded this in return for dropping out of race
or
https://tinyurl.com/yjre4ebb
and supporting Trump last year.
documents and a lot of others,
The new leaders of the so called Democrats are all former Democrats
Trump Musk JFK for instance--
Petzl wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 01:00:05 +1100, MightyMouse
<"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Ozix wrote:Trump before his election stated he was going to release these
MightyMouse wrote:could be
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-promises-80-000-pages-of-jfk-files-released-tomorrow/4b04e51f-9098-47d4-a352-6786a8e5fce3I suspect RFK Junior demanded this in return for dropping out of race
or
https://tinyurl.com/yjre4ebb
and supporting Trump last year.
documents and a lot of others,
yes he did. still could have been due to a deal with RFK tho.
The new leaders of the so called Republicans are all former Democrats
the new leaders of the Republicans you mean--
Trump Musk JFK for instance
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:The Russians got the same capability from nuclear subs not long
In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:oh sure. nuclear weapons on your doorstep is nothing to be concerned
We will now see how similar Kennedy is to Putin regarding sensitivity >>>>> to someone entering their respective "sphere of influence".
Kennedy put on a great hissy fit when the Russians moved weapons into >>>>> Cuba.
about, right?
afterwards anyway.
The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion.what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect ZilenskyPutin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to moveExactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying to
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his
political failings domestically.
to just let him take over the country?
but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it
MightyMouse wrote:
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-promises-80-000-pages-of-jfk-files-released-tomorrow/4b04e51f-9098-47d4-a352-6786a8e5fce3
or
https://tinyurl.com/yjre4ebb
no other President has had the balls to do it. it will be great if we finally get the truth about it. although we probably already know; it
was a Mafia hit. or at least there was some Mafia involvement.
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 14:07:20 +1100, MightyMouse
<"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Peter Jason wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 12:47:11 +1100, MightyMouse
<"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-promises-80-000-pages-of-jfk-files-released-tomorrow/4b04e51f-9098-47d4-a352-6786a8e5fce3Great.,
or
https://tinyurl.com/yjre4ebb
We will now see how similar Kennedy is to Putin regarding sensitivity
to someone entering their respective "sphere of influence".
Kennedy put on a great hissy fit when the Russians moved weapons into
Cuba. Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to move
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/the-real-reason-russia-invaded-ukraine-hint-its-not-nato-expansion/
or https://tinyurl.com/a2r4kwnf
The only hope now is to waste Zelinsky, then the West and Putin take advantage of the subsequent Ukrainian power struggle.
A little
mutual back scratching between Donald and Vladimir might put some
Ukrainian satrap in power
with that country gradually absorbed into
Russia, where it has been for centuries.
MightyMouse wrote:
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-promises-80-000-pages-of-jfk-files-released-tomorrow/4b04e51f-9098-47d4-a352-6786a8e5fce3
or
https://tinyurl.com/yjre4ebb
I suspect RFK Junior demanded this in return for dropping out of race
and supporting Trump last year.
In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
We will now see how similar Kennedy is to Putin regarding sensitivity
to someone entering their respective "sphere of influence".
Kennedy put on a great hissy fit when the Russians moved weapons into
Cuba. Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to move
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
Exactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying to
tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his
political failings domestically.
I'm not sure if there's more to be learnt about Kennedy during the
Cuban missile crisis, though the article does say:
"The releases have also contributed to the understanding of that
time period during the Cold War, researchers said."
The tide has turned in Latin America (even pre-Trump) according to
this article, with China showing more influence there than the USA.
It says "the United States remains the preferred defense partner",
but it looks like there's ground for a repeat of Cuba one day, with
the Chinese arming a US neighbour instead of the Russians.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/ending-strategic-vacuum-us-strategy-china-latin-america--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
Petzl wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 01:00:05 +1100, MightyMouse
<"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Ozix wrote:Trump before his election stated he was going to release these
MightyMouse wrote:could be
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-promises-80-000-pages-of-jfk-files-released-tomorrow/4b04e51f-9098-47d4-a352-6786a8e5fce3I suspect RFK Junior demanded this in return for dropping out of race
or
https://tinyurl.com/yjre4ebb
and supporting Trump last year.
documents and a lot of others,
yes he did. still could have been due to a deal with RFK tho.
The new leaders of the so called Democrats are all former Democrats
the new leaders of the Republicans you mean
Trump Musk JFK for instance
On 19/3/2025 1:35 pm, MightyMouse wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:The Russians got the same capability from nuclear subs not long
In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:oh sure. nuclear weapons on your doorstep is nothing to be concerned
We will now see how similar Kennedy is to Putin regarding
sensitivity
to someone entering their respective "sphere of influence".
Kennedy put on a great hissy fit when the Russians moved weapons >>>>>> into
Cuba.
about, right?
afterwards anyway.
The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion.what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect Zilensky >>>> to just let him take over the country?Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to moveExactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying to
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his
political failings domestically.
FWIW, It is impossible for a country with *disputed borders* to become a member of NATO.
No matter what was said by Zelensky, Putin or others, Ukraine wasn't
able to be a candidate for membership to NATO.
What's more, Putin's *invasion* of Ukraine in 2014 guaranteed it - makes you think there might have been much more behind that little invasion
than taking a few provinces.
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:42:50 +1100, MightyMouse
<squeak!@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Petzl wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 01:00:05 +1100, MightyMouse
<"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Ozix wrote:Trump before his election stated he was going to release these
MightyMouse wrote:could be
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-promises-80-000-pages-of-jfk-files-released-tomorrow/4b04e51f-9098-47d4-a352-6786a8e5fce3I suspect RFK Junior demanded this in return for dropping out of race >>>>> and supporting Trump last year.
or
https://tinyurl.com/yjre4ebb
documents and a lot of others,
yes he did. still could have been due to a deal with RFK tho.
Bullshit. RFK never had any chance of being prez
--The new leaders of the so called Democrats are all former Democrats
the new leaders of the Republicans you mean
Trump Musk JFK for instance
Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:42:50 +1100, MightyMouse
<squeak!@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Petzl wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 01:00:05 +1100, MightyMouse
<"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Ozix wrote:Trump before his election stated he was going to release these
MightyMouse wrote:could be
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-promises-80-000-pages-of-jfk-files-released-tomorrow/4b04e51f-9098-47d4-a352-6786a8e5fce3I suspect RFK Junior demanded this in return for dropping out of >>>>>> race
or
https://tinyurl.com/yjre4ebb
and supporting Trump last year.
documents and a lot of others,
yes he did. still could have been due to a deal with RFK tho.
Bullshit. RFK never had any chance of being prez
I never said he did. you misread, obviously
The new leaders of the so called Democrats are all former Democrats
the new leaders of the Republicans you mean
Trump Musk JFK for instance
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion.
In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect Zilensky
Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to moveExactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying to
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his
political failings domestically.
to just let him take over the country?
but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion.
In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect Zilensky >>>> to just let him take over the country?
Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to moveExactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying to
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his
political failings domestically.
but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it
Sure, doesn't mean we have to fund his defence.
The sanctions against Russia hurt them plenty
without rewarding Ukraine for trying to publicly wave NATO in Putin's face.
Especially when the door to NATO wasn't even open to them to begin with.
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 22:09:46 +1100, MightyMouse
<squeak!@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:42:50 +1100, MightyMouse
<squeak!@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Petzl wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 01:00:05 +1100, MightyMouse
<"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Ozix wrote:Trump before his election stated he was going to release these
MightyMouse wrote:could be
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-promises-80-000-pages-of-jfk-files-released-tomorrow/4b04e51f-9098-47d4-a352-6786a8e5fce3I suspect RFK Junior demanded this in return for dropping out of >>>>>>> race
or
https://tinyurl.com/yjre4ebb
and supporting Trump last year.
documents and a lot of others,
yes he did. still could have been due to a deal with RFK tho.
Bullshit. RFK never had any chance of being prez
I never said he did. you misread, obviously
There is no point in buying him off if he had no chance of becoming prez
--
The new leaders of the so called Democrats are all former Democrats
the new leaders of the Republicans you mean
Trump Musk JFK for instance
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:Sure, doesn't mean we have to fund his defence. The sanctions
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion.
In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect Zilensky >>>> to just let him take over the country?
Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to moveExactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying to
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his
political failings domestically.
against Russia hurt them plenty without rewarding Ukraine for
trying to publicly wave NATO in Putin's face. Especially when
the door to NATO wasn't even open to them to begin with.
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 14:51:50 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:Balls! You don't know much about history. Bismarck had 3 wars to
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 14:07:20 +1100, MightyMouse
<"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Peter Jason wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 12:47:11 +1100, MightyMouse
<"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-promises-80-000-pages-of-jfk-files-released-tomorrow/4b04e51f-9098-47d4-a352-6786a8e5fce3Great.,
or
https://tinyurl.com/yjre4ebb
We will now see how similar Kennedy is to Putin regarding sensitivity
to someone entering their respective "sphere of influence".
Kennedy put on a great hissy fit when the Russians moved weapons into
Cuba. Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to move
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/the-real-reason-russia-invaded-ukraine-hint-its-not-nato-expansion/
or https://tinyurl.com/a2r4kwnf
The only hope now is to waste Zelinsky, then the West and Putin take
advantage of the subsequent Ukrainian power struggle.
Even silier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2A little
mutual back scratching between Donald and Vladimir might put some
Ukrainian satrap in power
They get no say what so ever on who replaces Zelinskyy
with that country gradually absorbed into
Russia, where it has been for centuries.
No chance of that
Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 22:09:46 +1100, MightyMouse
<squeak!@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:42:50 +1100, MightyMouse
<squeak!@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Petzl wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 01:00:05 +1100, MightyMouse
<"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Ozix wrote:Trump before his election stated he was going to release these
MightyMouse wrote:could be
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-promises-80-000-pages-of-jfk-files-released-tomorrow/4b04e51f-9098-47d4-a352-6786a8e5fce3I suspect RFK Junior demanded this in return for dropping out of >>>>>>>> race
or
https://tinyurl.com/yjre4ebb
and supporting Trump last year.
documents and a lot of others,
yes he did. still could have been due to a deal with RFK tho.
Bullshit. RFK never had any chance of being prez
I never said he did. you misread, obviously
There is no point in buying him off if he had no chance of becoming prez
my bad. I forgot he was running for pres as a demoncrap, just thinking
of him supporting Trump as Ozik said
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2The new leaders of the so called Democrats are all former Democrats >>>>>the new leaders of the Republicans you mean
Trump Musk JFK for instance
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 17:24:01 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 14:51:50 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 14:07:20 +1100, MightyMouse
<"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Peter Jason wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 12:47:11 +1100, MightyMouse
<"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-promises-80-000-pages-of-jfk-files-released-tomorrow/4b04e51f-9098-47d4-a352-6786a8e5fce3Great.,
or
https://tinyurl.com/yjre4ebb
We will now see how similar Kennedy is to Putin regarding sensitivity >>>>> to someone entering their respective "sphere of influence".
Kennedy put on a great hissy fit when the Russians moved weapons into >>>>> Cuba. Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to move
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/the-real-reason-russia-invaded-ukraine-hint-its-not-nato-expansion/
or https://tinyurl.com/a2r4kwnf
The only hope now is to waste Zelinsky, then the West and Putin take
advantage of the subsequent Ukrainian power struggle.
Even silier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
Balls! You don't know much about history.
Bismarck had 3 wars to unify Germany in the 1800s.
It's still unified.
Frederick II used the Austrian interregnumto seize Silesia, and Germany still has it.
The USA seized part of Mexico and still has it. Etc. But don't
despair, history books are still all there for the reading.
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2A little
mutual back scratching between Donald and Vladimir might put some
Ukrainian satrap in power
They get no say what so ever on who replaces Zelinskyy
with that country gradually absorbed into
Russia, where it has been for centuries.
No chance of that
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:Sure, doesn't mean we have to fund his defence. The sanctions
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion.
In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect Zilensky >>>>> to just let him take over the country?
Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to moveExactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying to
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his
political failings domestically.
against Russia hurt them plenty without rewarding Ukraine for
trying to publicly wave NATO in Putin's face. Especially when
the door to NATO wasn't even open to them to begin with.
but international support for Ukraine was about preventing Russia from annexing Ukraine and expanding further West
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:Sure, doesn't mean we have to fund his defence. The sanctions
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion.
In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect
Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to moveExactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying to >>>>>>> tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
political failings domestically.
Zilensky
to just let him take over the country?
against Russia hurt them plenty without rewarding Ukraine for
trying to publicly wave NATO in Putin's face. Especially when
the door to NATO wasn't even open to them to begin with.
but international support for Ukraine was about preventing Russia from
annexing Ukraine and expanding further West
Which is silly because Russia wasn't about to take over Europe.
Plus Zelenskiy and Putin are both corrupt,
nationalist,
and prone to banning/imprisoning their political opposition,
so one is no better than the other anyway.
Zelenskiy is just a chosen hero to justifya proxy war between Russia
and the west,
which Putin-haters wanted so much theydidn't care who they backed to achieve it.
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:Sure, doesn't mean we have to fund his defence. The sanctions
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion.
In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect Zilensky >>>>>> to just let him take over the country?
Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to moveExactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying to >>>>>>> tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
political failings domestically.
against Russia hurt them plenty without rewarding Ukraine for
trying to publicly wave NATO in Putin's face. Especially when
the door to NATO wasn't even open to them to begin with.
but international support for Ukraine was about preventing Russia from
annexing Ukraine and expanding further West
Which is silly because Russia wasn't about to take over Europe.
Plus Zelenskiy and Putin are both corrupt, nationalist, and prone
to banning/imprisoning their political opposition, so one is no
better than the other anyway. Zelenskiy is just a chosen hero to
justify a proxy war between Russia and the west, which Putin-haters
wanted so much they didn't care who they backed to achieve it.
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 17:18:36 +1100, Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:Sure, doesn't mean we have to fund his defence. The sanctions
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion.
In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect
Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to moveExactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying to >>>>>>>> tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
political failings domestically.
Zilensky
to just let him take over the country?
against Russia hurt them plenty without rewarding Ukraine for
trying to publicly wave NATO in Putin's face. Especially when
the door to NATO wasn't even open to them to begin with.
but international support for Ukraine was about preventing Russia from
annexing Ukraine and expanding further West
Which is silly because Russia wasn't about to take over Europe.
No one said anything about taking over Europe.
We are talking about EXPANDING FURTHER WEST
Plus Zelenskiy and Putin are both corrupt,
Not a shred of evidence of any corruption by Zelenskyy, and
that isnt a reason to allow russia to grab the Ukraine anyway.
nationalist,
Hardly a crime
and prone-a to banning/imprisoning their political opposition,
That is a bare faced lie with Zelenskyy
so one is no-a better than the other anyway.
You have never had a fucking clue.
Zelenskiy is just a chosen hero to-a justifya-a proxy war between Russia
and the west,
More mindless shit.
which Putin-haters-a wanted so much theydidn't-a care who they backed to
achieve it.
So you are seriously claiming that they organised the
takeover of the Crimea and the russian troops who
pretended to not be russians before the full invasion ?
You are a terminal fuckwit.
On 20/3/2025 5:18 pm, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:Sure, doesn't mean we have to fund his defence. The sanctions
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion.
In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect
Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to moveExactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying to >>>>>>>> tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
political failings domestically.
Zilensky
to just let him take over the country?
against Russia hurt them plenty without rewarding Ukraine for
trying to publicly wave NATO in Putin's face. Especially when
the door to NATO wasn't even open to them to begin with.
but international support for Ukraine was about preventing Russia from
annexing Ukraine and expanding further West
Which is silly because Russia wasn't about to take over Europe.
Of course not, it no longer had the resources to achieve that - but it
did want the countries of the former USSR back within the fold.
Plus Zelenskiy and Putin are both corrupt, nationalist, and prone
to banning/imprisoning their political opposition, so one is no
better than the other anyway. Zelenskiy is just a chosen hero to
justify a proxy war between Russia and the west, which Putin-haters
wanted so much they didn't care who they backed to achieve it.
On 20/3/2025 5:31 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 17:18:36 +1100, Computer Nerd Kev
<not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:No one said anything about taking over Europe.
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:Sure, doesn't mean we have to fund his defence. The sanctions
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion.
In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect >>>>>>>> Zilensky
Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to move >>>>>>>>>> towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.Exactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying to >>>>>>>>> tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his
political failings domestically.
to just let him take over the country?
against Russia hurt them plenty without rewarding Ukraine for
trying to publicly wave NATO in Putin's face. Especially when
the door to NATO wasn't even open to them to begin with.
but international support for Ukraine was about preventing Russia from >>>> annexing Ukraine and expanding further West
Which is silly because Russia wasn't about to take over Europe.
We are talking about EXPANDING FURTHER WEST
Russia wanted Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, Belarus,
Moldova et al.
Plus Zelenskiy and Putin are both corrupt,Not a shred of evidence of any corruption by Zelenskyy, and
that isnt a reason to allow russia to grab the Ukraine anyway.
Zelensky isn't corrupt but Putin definitely is.
nationalist,Hardly a crime
and prone to banning/imprisoning their political opposition,That is a bare faced lie with Zelenskyy
Zelensky isn't corrupt but Putin definitely is.
so one is no better than the other anyway.You have never had a fucking clue.
Zelenskiy is just a chosen hero to justifya proxy war between Russia >>> and the west,More mindless shit.
Definitely.
which Putin-haters wanted so much theydidn't care who they backed to >>> achieve it.So you are seriously claiming that they organised the
takeover of the Crimea and the russian troops who
pretended to not be russians before the full invasion ?
You are a terminal fuckwit.
He's sucking on the Soviet sauce bottle!
Xeno wrote:
On 20/3/2025 5:18 pm, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:Sure, doesn't mean we have to fund his defence. The sanctions
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion.
In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect >>>>>>>> Zilensky
Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to move >>>>>>>>>> towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.Exactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying to >>>>>>>>> tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his
political failings domestically.
to just let him take over the country?
against Russia hurt them plenty without rewarding Ukraine for
trying to publicly wave NATO in Putin's face. Especially when
the door to NATO wasn't even open to them to begin with.
but international support for Ukraine was about preventing Russia from >>>> annexing Ukraine and expanding further West
Which is silly because Russia wasn't about to take over Europe.
Of course not, it no longer had the resources to achieve that - but it
did want the countries of the former USSR back within the fold.
exactly
MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Xeno wrote:
On 20/3/2025 5:18 pm, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:Sure, doesn't mean we have to fund his defence. The sanctions
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it
The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion.In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect >>>>>>>>> Zilensky
Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to move >>>>>>>>>>> towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.Exactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying to >>>>>>>>>> tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his >>>>>>>>>> political failings domestically.
to just let him take over the country?
against Russia hurt them plenty without rewarding Ukraine for
trying to publicly wave NATO in Putin's face. Especially when
the door to NATO wasn't even open to them to begin with.
but international support for Ukraine was about preventing Russia
from
annexing Ukraine and expanding further West
Which is silly because Russia wasn't about to take over Europe.
Of course not, it no longer had the resources to achieve that - but it
did want the countries of the former USSR back within the fold.
exactly
The primary reason Russia no longer has the *capability* to take over
Europe, or even all the former Soviet states, is the demographic collapse
it is suffering.
Also a health and education collapse since 92 and now a
wartime aggravated economic collapse.
A far cry from what Putin expected--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
when he ordered troops into Ukraine in 2022.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 14:02:58 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Xeno wrote:
On 20/3/2025 5:18 pm, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:Sure, doesn't mean we have to fund his defence. The sanctions
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion. >>>>>>>> but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend itIn aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect >>>>>>>>>> Zilensky
Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to move >>>>>>>>>>>> towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.Exactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying to >>>>>>>>>>> tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his >>>>>>>>>>> political failings domestically.
to just let him take over the country?
against Russia hurt them plenty without rewarding Ukraine for
trying to publicly wave NATO in Putin's face. Especially when
the door to NATO wasn't even open to them to begin with.
but international support for Ukraine was about preventing Russia >>>>>> from
annexing Ukraine and expanding further West
Which is silly because Russia wasn't about to take over Europe.
Of course not, it no longer had the resources to achieve that - but it >>>> did want the countries of the former USSR back within the fold.
exactly
The primary reason Russia no longer has the *capability* to take over
Europe, or even all the former Soviet states, is the demographic collapse
it is suffering.
Modern warfare isnt about grunts in boots.
Also a health and education collapse since 92 and now a
wartime aggravated economic collapse.
There has been no economic collapse
--A far cry from what Putin expected
when he ordered troops into Ukraine in 2022.
On 21/3/2025 5:23 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 14:02:58 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Xeno wrote:
On 20/3/2025 5:18 pm, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
against Russia hurt them plenty without rewarding Ukraine forIn aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion. >>>>>>>>> but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it >>>>>>>> Sure, doesn't mean we have to fund his defence. The sanctionsIn aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect >>>>>>>>>>> Zilensky
Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to move >>>>>>>>>>>>> towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.Exactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying >>>>>>>>>>>> to
tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his >>>>>>>>>>>> political failings domestically.
to just let him take over the country?
trying to publicly wave NATO in Putin's face. Especially when
the door to NATO wasn't even open to them to begin with.
but international support for Ukraine was about preventing Russia >>>>>>> from
annexing Ukraine and expanding further West
Which is silly because Russia wasn't about to take over Europe.
Of course not, it no longer had the resources to achieve that - but >>>>> it
did want the countries of the former USSR back within the fold.
exactly
The primary reason Russia no longer has the *capability* to take over
Europe, or even all the former Soviet states, is the demographic
collapse it is suffering.
Modern warfare isnt about grunts in boots.
Modern warfare is *still* about people - whether those people are
driving a tank or driving a drone.
Also a health and education collapse since 92 and now a
wartime aggravated economic collapse.
There has been no economic collapse
When you have a *war economy* and no longer have sufficient people to
man said economy - you have an economic collapse.
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2A far cry from what Putin expected
when he ordered troops into Ukraine in 2022.
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:Sure, doesn't mean we have to fund his defence. The sanctions
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion.
In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect Zilensky >>>>>> to just let him take over the country?
Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to moveExactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying to >>>>>>> tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
political failings domestically.
against Russia hurt them plenty without rewarding Ukraine for
trying to publicly wave NATO in Putin's face. Especially when
the door to NATO wasn't even open to them to begin with.
but international support for Ukraine was about preventing Russia from
annexing Ukraine and expanding further West
Which is silly because Russia wasn't about to take over Europe.
Plus Zelenskiy and Putin are both corrupt, nationalist, and prone
to banning/imprisoning their political opposition, so one is no
better than the other anyway. Zelenskiy is just a chosen hero to
justify a proxy war between Russia and the west, which Putin-haters
wanted so much they didn't care who they backed to achieve it.
On 21/3/2025 5:23 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 14:02:58 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>
MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Xeno wrote:
On 20/3/2025 5:18 pm, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
against Russia hurt them plenty without rewarding Ukraine forIn aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion. >>>>>>>>> but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it >>>>>>>> Sure, doesn't mean we have to fund his defence. The sanctionsIn aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect >>>>>>>>>>> Zilensky
Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to move >>>>>>>>>>>>> towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.Exactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying to >>>>>>>>>>>> tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his >>>>>>>>>>>> political failings domestically.
to just let him take over the country?
trying to publicly wave NATO in Putin's face. Especially when
the door to NATO wasn't even open to them to begin with.
but international support for Ukraine was about preventing Russia >>>>>>> from
annexing Ukraine and expanding further West
Which is silly because Russia wasn't about to take over Europe.
Of course not, it no longer had the resources to achieve that - but it >>>>> did want the countries of the former USSR back within the fold.
exactly
The primary reason Russia no longer has the *capability* to take over
Europe, or even all the former Soviet states, is the demographic collapse >>> it is suffering.
Modern warfare isnt about grunts in boots.
Modern warfare is *still* about people - whether those people are
driving a tank or driving a drone.
Both Europe and Biden's US want war with Russia
Also a health and education collapse since 92 and now a
wartime aggravated economic collapse.
There has been no economic collapse
When you have a *war economy* and no longer have sufficient people to
man said economy - you have an economic collapse.
--A far cry from what Putin expected
when he ordered troops into Ukraine in 2022.
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 17:18:36 +1100, Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:Sure, doesn't mean we have to fund his defence. The sanctions
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion.
In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect
Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to moveExactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying to >>>>>>>> tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
political failings domestically.
Zilensky
to just let him take over the country?
against Russia hurt them plenty without rewarding Ukraine for
trying to publicly wave NATO in Putin's face. Especially when
the door to NATO wasn't even open to them to begin with.
but international support for Ukraine was about preventing Russia from
annexing Ukraine and expanding further West
Which is silly because Russia wasn't about to take over Europe.
No one said anything about taking over Europe.
We are talking about EXPANDING FURTHER WEST
Plus Zelenskiy and Putin are both corrupt,
Not a shred of evidence of any corruption by Zelenskyy, and
that isnt a reason to allow russia to grab the Ukraine anyway.
nationalist,
Hardly a crime
and prone to banning/imprisoning their political opposition,
That is a bare faced lie with Zelenskyy
so one is no better than the other anyway.
You have never had a fucking clue.
Zelenskiy is just a chosen hero to justifya proxy war between Russia
and the west,
More mindless shit.
which Putin-haters wanted so much theydidn't care who they backed to
achieve it.
So you are seriously claiming that they organised the
takeover of the Crimea and the russian troops who
pretended to not be russians before the full invasion ?
On 20 Mar 2025 16:18:36 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev
<not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:Sure, doesn't mean we have to fund his defence. The sanctions
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion.
In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect
Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to moveExactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying to >>>>>>>> tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
political failings domestically.
Zilensky
to just let him take over the country?
against Russia hurt them plenty without rewarding Ukraine for
trying to publicly wave NATO in Putin's face. Especially when
the door to NATO wasn't even open to them to begin with.
but international support for Ukraine was about preventing Russia from
annexing Ukraine and expanding further West
Which is silly because Russia wasn't about to take over Europe.
Plus Zelenskiy and Putin are both corrupt, nationalist, and prone
to banning/imprisoning their political opposition, so one is no
better than the other anyway. Zelenskiy is just a chosen hero to
justify a proxy war between Russia and the west, which Putin-haters
wanted so much they didn't care who they backed to achieve it.
My take on this also
The Euro includeing UK branchs of NATO want war
looks like Australia is wit them not the US
Australia's prime minister Albanese has just amended the Conscription
Act dated 21 February 2025 to include Australians up to 60 years of
age to go off and fight in his globalist war.
Remember this when you vote...
Part IV Liability to serve in the Defence Force in time of war
Division 1 Liability to serve
Section 59
Part IV-Liability to serve in the Defence Force in time of war
Division 1-Liability to serve
59 Persons liable to serve in Defence Force in time of war
All persons (except those who are exempt from service under this Part
or to whom this Part does not apply) who:
(a) have resided in Australia for not less than 6 months; and (c) have attained the age of
**18 years but have not attained the age of 60** years;
are liable, when called upon under section 60, to serve in the Defence
Force.
60 Proclamation calling upon persons to serve in time of war
(1) In time of war the Governor-General may, by proclamation, call
upon persons specified in section 59 to serve in the Defence Force in accordance with this Act for the duration of the time of war.
(2) A Proclamation under this section must call on persons in the
order in which they are included in classes established for the
purposes of this subsection under subsection (3).
(3) The regulations may establish a series of classes of persons for
the purposes of subsection (2).
(4) A Proclamation must be laid before each House of the Parliament
before, but not more than 90 days before, the day on which it is
expressed to come into effect.
(5) A Proclamation does not come into effect unless, within the period
of 90 days before it is expressed to come into effect, it is approved,
by resolution, by each House of the Parliament.
104--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
Defence Act 1903
Compilation No. 82
Compilation date: 21/02/2025
Authorised Version C2025C00176 registered 01/03/2025
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 21:45:43 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 21/3/2025 5:23 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 14:02:58 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Xeno wrote:
On 20/3/2025 5:18 pm, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion. >>>>>>>>>> but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it >>>>>>>>> Sure, doesn't mean we have to fund his defence. The sanctions >>>>>>>>> against Russia hurt them plenty without rewarding Ukraine for >>>>>>>>> trying to publicly wave NATO in Putin's face. Especially when >>>>>>>>> the door to NATO wasn't even open to them to begin with.In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect >>>>>>>>>>>> Zilensky
Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to move >>>>>>>>>>>>>> towards the West with a probability of joining NATO. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy >>>>>>>>>>>>> trying totickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his >>>>>>>>>>>>> political failings domestically.
to just let him take over the country?
but international support for Ukraine was about preventing Russia >>>>>>>> from
annexing Ukraine and expanding further West
Which is silly because Russia wasn't about to take over Europe.
Of course not, it no longer had the resources to achieve that - but >>>>>> it
did want the countries of the former USSR back within the fold.
exactly
The primary reason Russia no longer has the *capability* to take over
Europe, or even all the former Soviet states, is the demographic
collapse
it is suffering.
Modern warfare isnt about grunts in boots.
Modern warfare is *still* about people - whether those people are
driving a tank or driving a drone.
Yes but it is not Ukrainians launching Drones to deep inside Russia
The Drones are supplied by NATO
as well as the Soldiers who target and launch and maintain them!
<https://www.msn.com/en-us/public-safety-and-emergencies/health-and-safety-alerts/huge-blast-rocks-engels-airbase-as-ukraine-launches-major-drone-assault/ar-AA1Bil7M>
https://t.ly/lGIOe
Huge Blast Rocks Engels Airbase as Ukraine Launches Major Drone
Assault
Also a health and education collapse since 92 and now a
wartime aggravated economic collapse.
There has been no economic collapse
When you have a *war economy* and no longer have sufficient people to
man said economy - you have an economic collapse.
Both Europe and Biden's US want war with Russia
Trump does not
PEACE!
That's why the DOW is dropping.
When Europe believed it's on a war
footing the DOW 500 goes up
because Euro's look to the U.S for a safe
haven for their cash and gold.
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2A far cry from what Putin expected
when he ordered troops into Ukraine in 2022.
In aus.legal Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 17:18:36 +1100, Computer Nerd Kev
<not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:Sure, doesn't mean we have to fund his defence. The sanctions
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion.
In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect
Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to move >>>>>>>>>> towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.Exactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying to >>>>>>>>> tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his
political failings domestically.
Zilensky
to just let him take over the country?
against Russia hurt them plenty without rewarding Ukraine for
trying to publicly wave NATO in Putin's face. Especially when
the door to NATO wasn't even open to them to begin with.
but international support for Ukraine was about preventing Russia from >>>> annexing Ukraine and expanding further West
Which is silly because Russia wasn't about to take over Europe.
No one said anything about taking over Europe.
We are talking about EXPANDING FURTHER WEST
Plus Zelenskiy and Putin are both corrupt,
Not a shred of evidence of any corruption by Zelenskyy, and
that isnt a reason to allow russia to grab the Ukraine anyway.
nationalist,
Hardly a crime
and prone to banning/imprisoning their political opposition,
That is a bare faced lie with Zelenskyy
so one is no better than the other anyway.
You have never had a fucking clue.
You clearly haven't. There's ample evidence for all of that,
including from western reporting before Zelenskiysuddenly became good
just by annoying Putin.
Ukraine opposition blasts president ascourt freezes predecessor's assets
Reuters - January 6, 2022
https://www.reuters.com/markets/rates-bonds/ukrainian-court-freezes-property-ex-president-poroshenko-2022-01-06/
Why did Ukraine suspend 11 'pro-Russia' parties?
Al-Jazeera - 21 Mar 2022
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/21/why-did-ukraine-suspend-11-pro-russia-parties
Revealed: 'anti-oligarch' Ukrainian president's offshore connections
The Guardian - 4 Oct 2021
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/oct/03/revealed-anti-oligarch-ukrainian-president-offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy
Journalists See Specter of Censorship in Ukraine's Proposed Media Laws
Voice of America - February 05, 2020
https://www.voanews.com/a/press-freedom_journalists-see-specter-censorship-ukraines-proposed-media-laws/6183766.html
The oligarch who owns the TV station which ran his TV show,
and funded his political party of the same name, waseven labeled as a corrupt oligarch by the US government:
Public Designation of Oligarch and Former Ukrainian Public Official
Ihor Kolomoyskyy Due to Involvement in Significant Corruption
Antony J. Blinken - March 5, 2021.
https://www.state.gov/public-designation-of-oligarch-and-former-ukrainian-public-official-ihor-kolomoyskyy-due-to-involvement-in-significant-corruption/
Zelenskiy was dumped in office by corrupt oligarchs with the best
control over the media, just the same as Putin at the start of the
century. It took the west years to figure out what had happened
with Putin, but at least without funding a war for him in the mean
time, triggered by Zelenskiy trying to whip up support from his
nationalist base by pushing harder to join NATO.
Zelenskiy is just a chosen hero to justifya proxy war between Russia
and the west,
More mindless shit.
which Putin-haters wanted so much theydidn't care who they backed
to achieve it.
So you are seriously claiming that they organised the
takeover of the Crimea and the russian troops who
pretended to not be russians before the full invasion ?
That was their problem, and peace agreements stalled over the NATO
issue with that as well, even though they weren't getting into NATO
then either. It should still be their problem.
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 09:18:23 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
On 20 Mar 2025 16:18:36 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev
<not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:Sure, doesn't mean we have to fund his defence. The sanctions
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion.
In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect >>>>>>>> Zilensky
Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to move >>>>>>>>>> towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.Exactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying to >>>>>>>>> tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his
political failings domestically.
to just let him take over the country?
against Russia hurt them plenty without rewarding Ukraine for
trying to publicly wave NATO in Putin's face. Especially when
the door to NATO wasn't even open to them to begin with.
but international support for Ukraine was about preventing Russia from >>>> annexing Ukraine and expanding further West
Which is silly because Russia wasn't about to take over Europe.
Plus Zelenskiy and Putin are both corrupt, nationalist, and prone
to banning/imprisoning their political opposition, so one is no
better than the other anyway. Zelenskiy is just a chosen hero to
justify a proxy war between Russia and the west, which Putin-haters
wanted so much they didn't care who they backed to achieve it.
My take on this also
More fool you.
The Euro includeing UK branchs of NATO want war
More mindless bullshit. Why would they want war, its stupidly expensive.
looks like Australia is wit them not the US
We don't want war either.
Australia's prime minister Albanese has just amended the Conscription
Act dated 21 February 2025 to include Australians up to 60 years of
age to go off and fight in his globalist war.
Another bar faced pig ignorant lie.
Remember this when you vote...
Part IV Liability to serve in the Defence Force in time of war
Division 1 Liability to serve
Section 59
Part IV-Liability to serve in the Defence Force in time of war
Division 1-Liability to serve
59 Persons liable to serve in Defence Force in time of war
All persons (except those who are exempt from service under this Part
or to whom this Part does not apply) who:
(a) have resided in Australia for not less than 6 months; and (c) have
attained the age of
**18 years but have not attained the age of 60** years;
are liable, when called upon under section 60, to serve in the Defence
Force.
Conscription is not automatic at time of war.
60 Proclamation calling upon persons to serve in time of war
(1) In time of war the Governor-General may, by proclamation, call
upon persons specified in section 59 to serve in the Defence Force in
accordance with this Act for the duration of the time of war.
(2) A Proclamation under this section must call on persons in the
order in which they are included in classes established for the
purposes of this subsection under subsection (3).
(3) The regulations may establish a series of classes of persons for
the purposes of subsection (2).
(4) A Proclamation must be laid before each House of the Parliament
before, but not more than 90 days before, the day on which it is
expressed to come into effect.
(5) A Proclamation does not come into effect unless, within the period
of 90 days before it is expressed to come into effect, it is approved,
by resolution, by each House of the Parliament.
Funny that. That aint gunna happen.
--104
Defence Act 1903
Compilation No. 82
Compilation date: 21/02/2025
Authorised Version C2025C00176 registered 01/03/2025
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 21:45:43 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 21/3/2025 5:23 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 14:02:58 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Xeno wrote:
On 20/3/2025 5:18 pm, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion. >>>>>>>>>> but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it >>>>>>>>> Sure, doesn't mean we have to fund his defence. The sanctions >>>>>>>>> against Russia hurt them plenty without rewarding Ukraine for >>>>>>>>> trying to publicly wave NATO in Putin's face. Especially when >>>>>>>>> the door to NATO wasn't even open to them to begin with.In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect >>>>>>>>>>>> Zilensky
Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to move >>>>>>>>>>>>>> towards the West with a probability of joining NATO. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy >>>>>>>>>>>>> trying totickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his >>>>>>>>>>>>> political failings domestically.
to just let him take over the country?
but international support for Ukraine was about preventing
Russia from
annexing Ukraine and expanding further West
Which is silly because Russia wasn't about to take over Europe.
Of course not, it no longer had the resources to achieve that -
but it
did want the countries of the former USSR back within the fold.
exactly
The primary reason Russia no longer has the *capability* to take over
Europe, or even all the former Soviet states, is the demographic
collapse-a it is suffering.
-aModern warfare isnt about grunts in boots.
Modern warfare is *still* about people - whether those people are
driving a tank or driving a drone.
But nothing like it used to be. And Russia is using its
prison polulation as cannon fodder, so you claim about
demographics is mindless ignorant bullshit.
Also a health and education collapse since 92 and now a
wartime aggravated economic collapse.
-aThere has been no economic collapse
When you have a *war economy* and no longer have sufficient people to
man said economy - you have an economic collapse.
There has been no economic collapse
--A far cry from what Putin expected
when he ordered troops into Ukraine in 2022.
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 12:26:48 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 09:18:23 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
On 20 Mar 2025 16:18:36 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev
<not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:Sure, doesn't mean we have to fund his defence. The sanctions
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it
The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion.In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect >>>>>>>>> Zilensky
Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to move >>>>>>>>>>> towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.Exactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy trying to >>>>>>>>>> tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his >>>>>>>>>> political failings domestically.
to just let him take over the country?
against Russia hurt them plenty without rewarding Ukraine for
trying to publicly wave NATO in Putin's face. Especially when
the door to NATO wasn't even open to them to begin with.
but international support for Ukraine was about preventing Russia
from
annexing Ukraine and expanding further West
Which is silly because Russia wasn't about to take over Europe.
Plus Zelenskiy and Putin are both corrupt, nationalist, and prone
to banning/imprisoning their political opposition, so one is no
better than the other anyway. Zelenskiy is just a chosen hero to
justify a proxy war between Russia and the west, which Putin-haters
wanted so much they didn't care who they backed to achieve it.
My take on this also
More fool you.
The Euro includeing UK branchs of NATO want war
More mindless bullshit. Why would they want war, its stupidly expensive.
looks like Australia is wit them not the US
We don't want war either.
Australia's prime minister Albanese has just amended the Conscription
Act dated 21 February 2025 to include Australians up to 60 years of
age to go off and fight in his globalist war.
Another bear faced pig ignorant lie.
Remember this when you vote...
Part IV Liability to serve in the Defence Force in time of war
Division 1 Liability to serve
Section 59
Part IV-Liability to serve in the Defence Force in time of war
Division 1-Liability to serve
59 Persons liable to serve in Defence Force in time of war
All persons (except those who are exempt from service under this Part
or to whom this Part does not apply) who:
(a) have resided in Australia for not less than 6 months; and (c) have
attained the age of
**18 years but have not attained the age of 60** years;
are liable, when called upon under section 60, to serve in the Defence
Force.
Conscription is not automatic at time of war.
I believe it is unless one is not on the voting roll
<https://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdb/au/legis/cth/consol_act/da190356/>
https://t.ly/Cwr5P
59 Persons liable to serve in Defence Force in time of war
All persons (except those who are exempt from service under this Part
or to whom this Part does not apply) who:
(a) have resided in Australia for not less than 6 months; and (c) have attained the age of 18 years but have not attained the age of 60
years;
are liable, when called upon under section 60, to serve in the Defence
Force.
60 Proclamation calling upon persons to serve in time of war
The price of wool going up???
60 Proclamation calling upon persons to serve in time of war
(1) In time of war the Governor-General may, by proclamation, call
upon persons specified in section 59 to serve in the Defence Force in
accordance with this Act for the duration of the time of war.
(2) A Proclamation under this section must call on persons in the
order in which they are included in classes established for the
purposes of this subsection under subsection (3).
(3) The regulations may establish a series of classes of persons for
the purposes of subsection (2).
(4) A Proclamation must be laid before each House of the Parliament
before, but not more than 90 days before, the day on which it is
expressed to come into effect.
(5) A Proclamation does not come into effect unless, within the period
of 90 days before it is expressed to come into effect, it is approved,
by resolution, by each House of the Parliament.
Funny that. That aint gunna happen.
<https://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=WTWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.weeklytimesnow.com.au%2Flivestock%2Fwool-prices-have-gained-ground-over-eight-days-of-selling%2Fnews-story%2Fef9b7700776840453570be174c9fdbf8&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium>
https://t.ly/ZrLgi
Wool prices still on the rise
Seems something is up. <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13491345/Australian-Defence-Force-offers-citizenship-fast-track-foreign-recruits-struggles-hire.html>
https://t.ly/5U0mJ
Australian Defence Force offers citizenship fast-track for foreign
recruits as it struggles to hire
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2104
Defence Act 1903
Compilation No. 82
Compilation date: 21/02/2025
Authorised Version C2025C00176 registered 01/03/2025
On 22/3/2025 3:24 am, Rod Speed wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 21:45:43 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 21/3/2025 5:23 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 14:02:58 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Xeno wrote:
On 20/3/2025 5:18 pm, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:Of course not, it no longer had the resources to achieve that - >>>>>>> but it
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion. >>>>>>>>>>> but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it >>>>>>>>>> Sure, doesn't mean we have to fund his defence. The sanctions >>>>>>>>>> against Russia hurt them plenty without rewarding Ukraine for >>>>>>>>>> trying to publicly wave NATO in Putin's face. Especially when >>>>>>>>>> the door to NATO wasn't even open to them to begin with.In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:what a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect >>>>>>>>>>>>> Zilensky
Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to move >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> towards the West with a probability of joining NATO. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying totickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his >>>>>>>>>>>>>> political failings domestically.
to just let him take over the country?
but international support for Ukraine was about preventing >>>>>>>>> Russia from
annexing Ukraine and expanding further West
Which is silly because Russia wasn't about to take over Europe. >>>>>>>
did want the countries of the former USSR back within the fold.
exactly
The primary reason Russia no longer has the *capability* to take over >>>>> Europe, or even all the former Soviet states, is the demographic
collapse it is suffering.
Modern warfare isnt about grunts in boots.
Modern warfare is *still* about people - whether those people are
driving a tank or driving a drone.
But nothing like it used to be. And Russia is using its
prison polulation as cannon fodder, so you claim about
demographics is mindless ignorant bullshit.
Russian demographics *are* collapsing, of that there is no argument.
Website
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/content-series/russia-tomorrow/a-russia-without-russians-putins-disastrous-demographics/
PDF download link
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/A-Russia-without-Russians-Putins-disastrous-demographics.pdf
Pages 2 and 3 give sufficient insight into the demographic collapse of Russia.
Also a health and education collapse since 92 and now a
wartime aggravated economic collapse.
There has been no economic collapse
When you have a *war economy* and no longer have sufficient people toThere has been no economic collapse
man said economy - you have an economic collapse.
Please explain then why the prices of basicsin Russia are going through the roof.
The economic collapse of Russia is an on-going process.
A *war economy* places all the emphasis on war equipment and munitions production
thereby sapping the labour force away from general economic production.
It explains why wages in Russia are shooting skywards as everyone is desperate to secure *workers*, something that is becoming increasingly fraught as mobilisation robs the economy of trained workers.
That's not even accounting for the millions of skilled workers who fled Russia at the outset of *current* hostilities in 2022.
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2A far cry from what Putin expected
when he ordered troops into Ukraine in 2022.
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 14:18:13 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 22/3/2025 3:24 am, Rod Speed wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 21:45:43 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 21/3/2025 5:23 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 14:02:58 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> >>>>> wrote:
MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Xeno wrote:
On 20/3/2025 5:18 pm, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:Of course not, it no longer had the resources to achieve that - >>>>>>>> but it
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current invasion. >>>>>>>>>>>> but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it >>>>>>>>>>> Sure, doesn't mean we have to fund his defence. The sanctions >>>>>>>>>>> against Russia hurt them plenty without rewarding Ukraine for >>>>>>>>>>> trying to publicly wave NATO in Putin's face. Especially when >>>>>>>>>>> the door to NATO wasn't even open to them to begin with.In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to move >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> towards the West with a probability of joining NATO. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying towhat a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you expect >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zilensky
tickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political failings domestically.
to just let him take over the country?
but international support for Ukraine was about preventing >>>>>>>>>> Russia from
annexing Ukraine and expanding further West
Which is silly because Russia wasn't about to take over Europe. >>>>>>>>
did want the countries of the former USSR back within the fold. >>>>>>>>
exactly
The primary reason Russia no longer has the *capability* to take over >>>>>> Europe, or even all the former Soviet states, is the demographic
collapse-a it is suffering.
-aModern warfare isnt about grunts in boots.
Modern warfare is *still* about people - whether those people are
driving a tank or driving a drone.
-aBut nothing like it used to be. And Russia is using its
prison polulation as cannon fodder, so you claim about
demographics is mindless ignorant bullshit.
Russian demographics *are* collapsing, of that there is no argument.
Yes, but that clearly is having no effect on what
they can do about fucking over the Ukraine.
They aren't even using conscripts in the Ukraine.
Website
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/content-series/russia-tomorrow/a-
russia-without-russians-putins-disastrous-demographics/
PDF download link
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/A-Russia-
without-Russians-Putins-disastrous-demographics.pdf
Pages 2 and 3 give sufficient insight into the demographic collapse of
Russia.
Also a health and education collapse since 92 and now a
wartime aggravated economic collapse.
-aThere has been no economic collapse
When you have a *war economy* and no longer have sufficient people-aThere has been no economic collapse
to man said economy - you have an economic collapse.
Please explain then why the prices of basicsin Russia are going
through-a the roof.
Another stupid lie.
The economic collapse of Russia is an on-going process.
Its actually just another of your pathetic little fantasys
A *war economy* places all the emphasis on war equipment and munitions
production
Bullshit with agriculture.
thereby sapping the labour force away from general economic production.
In fact it actually provides lots of employment and higher wages for those involved in the production of war equipment and munitions production
It explains why wages in Russia are shooting skywards as everyone is
desperate to secure *workers*, something that is becoming increasingly
fraught as mobilisation robs the economy of trained workers.
More mindless pig ignorant bullshit and isnt anything
even remotely like economic collapse.
--That's not even accounting for the millions of skilled workers who
fled Russia at the outset of *current* hostilities in 2022.
More mindless bullshit.
A far cry from what Putin expected
when he ordered troops into Ukraine in 2022.
On 22/3/2025 3:03 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 14:18:13 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 22/3/2025 3:24 am, Rod Speed wrote:Yes, but that clearly is having no effect on what
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 21:45:43 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 21/3/2025 5:23 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 14:02:58 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>> wrote:
MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Xeno wrote:
On 20/3/2025 5:18 pm, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:Of course not, it no longer had the resources to achieve that - >>>>>>>>> but it
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:but international support for Ukraine was about preventing >>>>>>>>>>> Russia from
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it >>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, doesn't mean we have to fund his defence. The sanctions >>>>>>>>>>>> against Russia hurt them plenty without rewarding Ukraine for >>>>>>>>>>>> trying to publicly wave NATO in Putin's face. Especially when >>>>>>>>>>>> the door to NATO wasn't even open to them to begin with. >>>>>>>>>>>
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current >>>>>>>>>>>>>> invasion.
In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movewhat a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expect
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying totickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political failings domestically.
Zilensky
to just let him take over the country?
annexing Ukraine and expanding further West
Which is silly because Russia wasn't about to take over Europe. >>>>>>>>>
did want the countries of the former USSR back within the fold. >>>>>>>>>
exactly
The primary reason Russia no longer has the *capability* to take >>>>>>> over
Europe, or even all the former Soviet states, is the demographic >>>>>>> collapse it is suffering.
Modern warfare isnt about grunts in boots.
Modern warfare is *still* about people - whether those people are
driving a tank or driving a drone.
But nothing like it used to be. And Russia is using its
prison polulation as cannon fodder, so you claim about
demographics is mindless ignorant bullshit.
Russian demographics *are* collapsing, of that there is no argument.
they can do about fucking over the Ukraine.
They aren't even using conscripts in the Ukraine.
Um, they are.
conscripts wouldn't be sent to Ukraine but, strangely enough, they are ending up there anyway - and dying.
Website
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/content-series/russia-tomorrow/a-
russia-without-russians-putins-disastrous-demographics/
PDF download link
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/A-Russia-
without-Russians-Putins-disastrous-demographics.pdf
Pages 2 and 3 give sufficient insight into the demographic collapse of >>> Russia.
Also a health and education collapse since 92 and now a
wartime aggravated economic collapse.
There has been no economic collapse
When you have a *war economy* and no longer have sufficient people >>>>> to man said economy - you have an economic collapse.There has been no economic collapse
Please explain then why the prices of basicsin Russia are going
through the roof.
Another stupid lie.
You need to broaden your information sourcing.
The economic collapse of Russia is an on-going process.Its actually just another of your pathetic little fantasys
I leave the fantasies to you Rod.
A *war economy* places all the emphasis on war equipment and munitions >>> productionBullshit with agriculture.
Yeah, the *mobilisation* (read: conscription) took those workers away.
thereby sapping the labour force away from general economic production.In fact it actually provides lots of employment and higher wages for
those
involved in the production of war equipment and munitions production
It explains why wages in Russia are shooting skywards as everyone isMore mindless pig ignorant bullshit and isnt anything
desperate to secure *workers*, something that is becoming increasingly >>> fraught as mobilisation robs the economy of trained workers.
even remotely like economic collapse.
Economic collapse will be at the end of it all, the final swansong.
That's not even accounting for the millions of skilled workers whoMore mindless bullshit.
fled Russia at the outset of *current* hostilities in 2022.
A far cry from what Putin expected
when he ordered troops into Ukraine in 2022.
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 15:53:08 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 22/3/2025 3:03 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 14:18:13 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 22/3/2025 3:24 am, Rod Speed wrote:-aYes, but that clearly is having no effect on what
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 21:45:43 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> >>>>> wrote:
On 21/3/2025 5:23 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 14:02:58 +1100, Xeno
<xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Xeno wrote:
On 20/3/2025 5:18 pm, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:Of course not, it no longer had the resources to achieve that >>>>>>>>>> - but it
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:but international support for Ukraine was about preventing >>>>>>>>>>>> Russia from
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend it >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, doesn't mean we have to fund his defence. The sanctions >>>>>>>>>>>>> against Russia hurt them plenty without rewarding Ukraine for >>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to publicly wave NATO in Putin's face. Especially when >>>>>>>>>>>>> the door to NATO wasn't even open to them to begin with. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> invasion.
In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movewhat a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expect
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying totickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political failings domestically.
Zilensky
to just let him take over the country?
annexing Ukraine and expanding further West
Which is silly because Russia wasn't about to take over Europe. >>>>>>>>>>
did want the countries of the former USSR back within the fold. >>>>>>>>>>
exactly
The primary reason Russia no longer has the *capability* to take >>>>>>>> over
Europe, or even all the former Soviet states, is the demographic >>>>>>>> collapse-a it is suffering.
-aModern warfare isnt about grunts in boots.
Modern warfare is *still* about people - whether those people are >>>>>> driving a tank or driving a drone.
-aBut nothing like it used to be. And Russia is using its
prison polulation as cannon fodder, so you claim about
demographics is mindless ignorant bullshit.
Russian demographics *are* collapsing, of that there is no argument.
they can do about fucking over the Ukraine.
They aren't even using conscripts in the Ukraine.
Um, they are.
No evidence of that
Yeah, the *mobilisation* (read: conscription) stated that
conscripts wouldn't be sent to Ukraine but, strangely enough, they are
ending up there anyway - and dying.
No evidence of that
Website
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/content-series/russia-tomorrow/a-
russia-without-russians-putins-disastrous-demographics/
PDF download link
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/A-Russia-
without-Russians-Putins-disastrous-demographics.pdf
Pages 2 and 3 give sufficient insight into the demographic collapse
of Russia.
Also a health and education collapse since 92 and now a
wartime aggravated economic collapse.
-aThere has been no economic collapse
When you have a *war economy* and no longer have sufficient people >>>>>> to man said economy - you have an economic collapse.-aThere has been no economic collapse
Please explain then why the prices of basicsin Russia are going
through-a the roof.
-aAnother stupid lie.
You need to broaden your information sourcing.
Nope, you need to get a clue
The economic collapse of Russia is an on-going process.-aIts actually just another of your pathetic little fantasys
I leave the fantasies to you Rod.
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
A *war economy* places all the emphasis on war equipment and-aBullshit with agriculture.
munitions production
Yeah, the *mobilisation* (read: conscription) took those workers away.
Bullshit it did
thereby sapping the labour force away from general economic production. >>> -aIn fact it actually provides lots of employment and higher wages forthose
involved in the production of war equipment and munitions production
It explains why wages in Russia are shooting skywards as everyone is-aMore mindless pig ignorant bullshit and isnt anything
desperate to secure *workers*, something that is becoming
increasingly fraught as mobilisation robs the economy of trained
workers.
even remotely like economic collapse.
Economic collapse will be at the end of it all, the final swansong.
Just another of your pathetic little fantasys
--That's not even accounting for the millions of skilled workers who-aMore mindless bullshit.
fled Russia at the outset of *current* hostilities in 2022.
A far cry from what Putin expected
when he ordered troops into Ukraine in 2022.
The price of wool going up???
What the fuck has this to do with what we are discussing ?'
You are clearly blind drunk already
<https://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=WTWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.weeklytimesnow.com.au%2Flivestock%2Fwool-prices-have-gained-ground-over-eight-days-of-selling%2Fnews-story%2Fef9b7700776840453570be174c9fdbf8&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium>
https://t.ly/ZrLgi
Wool prices still on the rise
Just because those buying wool are buying more fuckwit
Wool isnt used in war
Seems something is up.
<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13491345/Australian-Defence-Force-offers-citizenship-fast-track-foreign-recruits-struggles-hire.html>
https://t.ly/5U0mJ
Australian Defence Force offers citizenship fast-track for foreign
recruits as it struggles to hire
Just the fact that the unemployment rate is at historic lows
and so fewer locals choose to join the military, stupid.
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 14:56:57 +1100, "Rod Speed"Ignorant lie.
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Not produtive jobs just Government onesSeems something is up.
<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13491345/Australian-Defence-Force-offers-citizenship-fast-track-foreign-recruits-struggles-hire.html>
https://t.ly/5U0mJ
Australian Defence Force offers citizenship fast-track for foreign
recruits as it struggles to hire
Just the fact that the unemployment rate is at historic lows
and so fewer locals choose to join the military, stupid.
There have been 36,000 new public servant roles created under Albanese> Labor, None of them real jobs, all *non-productive tax payers*!There have been a lot more new jobs than that, liar.
It is clear the non-government sector of the economy,the private > sector, is in contractionAnother ignorant lie
and you could then argue it is in recession!Only if you are an ignorant liar.
There is aAnother ignorant lie
big transfer between the private sector and the public sector at the
moment.
The private sector is shedding jobs to the public sector,Another ignorant lie
which is picking up jobs.
But are they the productive jobs we want?Plenty of them are
Unproductive tax payers,The NBN is replacing FTTN with fiber. While that
NGO's, welfare, government departments
Productive taxpayers,Doesnt matter if they are profit making or not, they are still jobs
profit taking private enterprise
The problem with Unproductive tax payers, is that governmentsMindless bullshit.
eventually run out of Productive taxpayers money!
whatshot9reactionsreply1replyTry that again in english when not completely blotto and drug crazed
<https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2025/01/australias-private-sector-economy-stuck-in-recession/>Just because some fool claims something...
https://t.ly/sN_JT
AustraliarCOs private sector economy stuck in recession
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 14:56:57 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
The price of wool going up???
What the fuck has this to do with what we are discussing ?'
You are clearly blind drunk already
<https://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=WTWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.weeklytimesnow.com.au%2Flivestock%2Fwool-prices-have-gained-ground-over-eight-days-of-selling%2Fnews-story%2Fef9b7700776840453570be174c9fdbf8&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium>
https://t.ly/ZrLgi
Wool prices still on the rise
Just because those buying wool are buying more fuckwit
Wool isnt used in war
Soldiers uniforms are
Always a good indicator of a coming war
Even a existing one
On 22/3/2025 7:58 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 15:53:08 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 22/3/2025 3:03 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 14:18:13 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 22/3/2025 3:24 am, Rod Speed wrote:Yes, but that clearly is having no effect on what
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 21:45:43 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>> wrote:
On 21/3/2025 5:23 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 14:02:58 +1100, Xeno
<xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Xeno wrote:
On 20/3/2025 5:18 pm, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:but international support for Ukraine was about preventing >>>>>>>>>>>>> Russia from
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:Sure, doesn't mean we have to fund his defence. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sanctions
In aus.legal MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:but still, his country is attacked so he's going to defend >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
Computer Nerd Kev wrote:The NATO talk from Zelenskiy came before the current >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> invasion.
In aus.legal Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movewhat a stupid comment. Russia invaded Ukraine. did you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expect
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly, it was inevitable with that nutcase Zelenskiy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying totickle the Russian tiger just to look tough and offset >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
political failings domestically.
Zilensky
to just let him take over the country?
against Russia hurt them plenty without rewarding Ukraine >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
trying to publicly wave NATO in Putin's face. Especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
the door to NATO wasn't even open to them to begin with. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
annexing Ukraine and expanding further West
Which is silly because Russia wasn't about to take over >>>>>>>>>>>> Europe.
Of course not, it no longer had the resources to achieve that >>>>>>>>>>> - but it
did want the countries of the former USSR back within the fold. >>>>>>>>>>>
exactly
The primary reason Russia no longer has the *capability* to take >>>>>>>>> over
Europe, or even all the former Soviet states, is the demographic >>>>>>>>> collapse it is suffering.
Modern warfare isnt about grunts in boots.
Modern warfare is *still* about people - whether those people are >>>>>>> driving a tank or driving a drone.
But nothing like it used to be. And Russia is using its
prison polulation as cannon fodder, so you claim about
demographics is mindless ignorant bullshit.
Russian demographics *are* collapsing, of that there is no argument.
they can do about fucking over the Ukraine.
They aren't even using conscripts in the Ukraine.
Um, they are.
No evidence of that
Plenty! You just need to look in the right places.
Yeah, the *mobilisation* (read: conscription) stated that
conscripts wouldn't be sent to Ukraine but, strangely enough, they are >>> ending up there anyway - and dying.
No evidence of that
Plenty! You just need to look in the right places.
Website
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/content-series/russia-tomorrow/a-
russia-without-russians-putins-disastrous-demographics/
PDF download link
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/A-Russia- >>>>> without-Russians-Putins-disastrous-demographics.pdf
Pages 2 and 3 give sufficient insight into the demographic collapse >>>>> of Russia.
Also a health and education collapse since 92 and now a
wartime aggravated economic collapse.
There has been no economic collapse
When you have a *war economy* and no longer have sufficient people >>>>>>> to man said economy - you have an economic collapse.There has been no economic collapse
Please explain then why the prices of basicsin Russia are going
through the roof.
Another stupid lie.
You need to broaden your information sourcing.
Nope, you need to get a clue
Got plenty of clues - they were out there in a field full of clues.
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.The economic collapse of Russia is an on-going process.Its actually just another of your pathetic little fantasys
I leave the fantasies to you Rod.
When that become your retort, you know you've lost.
Bullshit it didA *war economy* places all the emphasis on war equipment andBullshit with agriculture.
munitions production
Yeah, the *mobilisation* (read: conscription) took those workers away.
You *do know* what mobilisation is, surely?
thereby sapping the labour force away from general economicIn fact it actually provides lots of employment and higher wages for >>>> those
production.
involved in the production of war equipment and munitions production
It explains why wages in Russia are shooting skywards as everyone is >>>>> desperate to secure *workers*, something that is becomingMore mindless pig ignorant bullshit and isnt anything
increasingly fraught as mobilisation robs the economy of trained
workers.
even remotely like economic collapse.
Economic collapse will be at the end of it all, the final swansong.
Just another of your pathetic little fantasys
Time will tell. Actually, it's telling now - if you look.
That's not even accounting for the millions of skilled workers who >>>>> fled Russia at the outset of *current* hostilities in 2022.More mindless bullshit.
A far cry from what Putin expected
when he ordered troops into Ukraine in 2022.
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 12:04:32 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:Unlikely. I read only 3 types of books. 1/History. 2/ Biography
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 17:24:01 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 14:51:50 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 14:07:20 +1100, MightyMouse
<"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Peter Jason wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 12:47:11 +1100, MightyMouse
<"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-promises-80-000-pages-of-jfk-files-released-tomorrow/4b04e51f-9098-47d4-a352-6786a8e5fce3Great.,
or
https://tinyurl.com/yjre4ebb
We will now see how similar Kennedy is to Putin regarding sensitivity >>>>>> to someone entering their respective "sphere of influence".
Kennedy put on a great hissy fit when the Russians moved weapons into >>>>>> Cuba. Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to move >>>>>> towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/the-real-reason-russia-invaded-ukraine-hint-its-not-nato-expansion/
or https://tinyurl.com/a2r4kwnf
The only hope now is to waste Zelinsky, then the West and Putin take
advantage of the subsequent Ukrainian power struggle.
Even silier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
Balls! You don't know much about history.
I know a lot more about history than you do thanks.
No, wars can pay offBismarck had 3 wars to unify Germany in the 1800s.
Irrelevant to the situation with Putin and the Ukraine
It's still unified.
But wasnt after WW2 had ended
Frederick II used the Austrian interregnumto seize Silesia, and Germany >> still has it.
All completely irrelevant to what Putin is up to.
Irrelevant to the situation with Putin and the Ukraine.The USA seized part of Mexico and still has it. Etc. But don't
despair, history books are still all there for the reading.
Read a lot more of them than you have thanks and have enough
still viable to have noticed that while western europe used to
furiously rip each others throats out in almost ever single
generation, they have come to their senses and hsve stopped
doing that now.
Its taking longer for eastern europe and the middle east
to come to their senses.
Nonsense. This sort of thing has been going on forever. LikeA little
mutual back scratching between Donald and Vladimir might put some
Ukrainian satrap in power
They get no say what so ever on who replaces Zelinskyy
Wait and see. You're gonna eat crow!
with that country gradually absorbed into
Russia, where it has been for centuries.
No chance of that
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 12:52:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 12:04:32 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 17:24:01 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 14:51:50 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote: >>>>
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 14:07:20 +1100, MightyMouse
<"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Peter Jason wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 12:47:11 +1100, MightyMouse
<"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-promises-80-000-pages-of-jfk-files-released-tomorrow/4b04e51f-9098-47d4-a352-6786a8e5fce3Great.,
or
https://tinyurl.com/yjre4ebb
We will now see how similar Kennedy is to Putin regarding
sensitivity
to someone entering their respective "sphere of influence".
Kennedy put on a great hissy fit when the Russians moved weapons >>>>>>> into
Cuba. Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to move >>>>>>> towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/the-real-reason-russia-invaded-ukraine-hint-its-not-nato-expansion/
or https://tinyurl.com/a2r4kwnf
The only hope now is to waste Zelinsky, then the West and Putin take >>>>> advantage of the subsequent Ukrainian power struggle.
Even silier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
Balls! You don't know much about history.
I know a lot more about history than you do thanks.
Unlikely.
I read only 3 types of books. 1/History. 2/ Biography 3/Technical.
Bismarck had 3 wars to unify Germany in the 1800s.
Irrelevant to the situation with Putin and the Ukraine
No,
wars can pay off
It's still unified.
But wasnt after WW2 had ended
Frederick II used the Austrian interregnumto seize Silesia, and
Germany still has it.
All completely irrelevant to what Putin is up to.
The USA seized part of Mexico and still has it. Etc. But don't
despair, history books are still all there for the reading.
Read a lot more of them than you have thanks and have enough
still viable to have noticed that while western europe used to
furiously rip each others throats out in almost ever single
generation, they have come to their senses and hsve stopped
doing that now.
Its taking longer for eastern europe and the middle east
to come to their senses.
Irrelevant to the situation with Putin and the Ukraine.
A little
mutual back scratching between Donald and Vladimir might put some
Ukrainian satrap in power
They get no say what so ever on who replaces Zelinskyy
Nonsense. This sort of thing has been going on forever.
Like Quisling?
with that country gradually absorbed into
Russia, where it has been for centuries.
No chance of that
Wait and see. You're gonna eat crow!
On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 06:54:35 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 12:52:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 12:04:32 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 17:24:01 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 14:51:50 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote: >>>>>
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 14:07:20 +1100, MightyMouse
<"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Peter Jason wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 12:47:11 +1100, MightyMouse
<"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-promises-80-000-pages-of-jfk-files-released-tomorrow/4b04e51f-9098-47d4-a352-6786a8e5fce3Great.,
or
https://tinyurl.com/yjre4ebb
We will now see how similar Kennedy is to Putin regarding
sensitivity
to someone entering their respective "sphere of influence".
Kennedy put on a great hissy fit when the Russians moved weapons >>>>>>>> into
Cuba. Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to move >>>>>>>> towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/the-real-reason-russia-invaded-ukraine-hint-its-not-nato-expansion/
or https://tinyurl.com/a2r4kwnf
The only hope now is to waste Zelinsky, then the West and Putin take >>>>>> advantage of the subsequent Ukrainian power struggle.
Even silier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
Balls! You don't know much about history.
I know a lot more about history than you do thanks.
Unlikely.
But true anyway
I read only 3 types of books. 1/History. 2/ Biography 3/Technical.
Me too and I also read memoirs but never of film stars or sports animals
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2Bismarck had 3 wars to unify Germany in the 1800s.
Irrelevant to the situation with Putin and the Ukraine
No,
Fraid so, what Putin is doing in the Ukraine is invasion, not unification.
wars can pay off
Yep, most obviously with the colonial wars and the US war of independence.
So can wars driving off the invaders, most obviously with WW2
It's still unified.
But wasnt after WW2 had ended
Frederick II used the Austrian interregnumto seize Silesia, and
Germany still has it.
All completely irrelevant to what Putin is up to.
The USA seized part of Mexico and still has it. Etc. But don't
despair, history books are still all there for the reading.
Read a lot more of them than you have thanks and have enough
still viable to have noticed that while western europe used to
furiously rip each others throats out in almost ever single
generation, they have come to their senses and hsve stopped
doing that now.
Its taking longer for eastern europe and the middle east
to come to their senses.
Irrelevant to the situation with Putin and the Ukraine.
A little
mutual back scratching between Donald and Vladimir might put some
Ukrainian satrap in power
They get no say what so ever on who replaces Zelinskyy
Nonsense. This sort of thing has been going on forever.
Not in western europe anymore
Like Quisling?
Nothing to do with Zelinskyy
with that country gradually absorbed into
Russia, where it has been for centuries.
No chance of that
Wait and see. You're gonna eat crow!
Nope, you are.
On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 08:52:05 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 06:54:35 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 12:52:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 12:04:32 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote: >>>>
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 17:24:01 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 14:51:50 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 14:07:20 +1100, MightyMouse
<"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
Peter Jason wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 12:47:11 +1100, MightyMouse
<"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote:
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-promises-80-000-pages-of-jfk-files-released-tomorrow/4b04e51f-9098-47d4-a352-6786a8e5fce3Great.,
or
https://tinyurl.com/yjre4ebb
We will now see how similar Kennedy is to Putin regarding
sensitivity
to someone entering their respective "sphere of influence".
Kennedy put on a great hissy fit when the Russians moved weapons >>>>>>>>> into
Cuba. Putin has done the same when the Ukrainians started to >>>>>>>>> move
towards the West with a probability of joining NATO.
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/the-real-reason-russia-invaded-ukraine-hint-its-not-nato-expansion/
or https://tinyurl.com/a2r4kwnf
The only hope now is to waste Zelinsky, then the West and Putin >>>>>>> take
advantage of the subsequent Ukrainian power struggle.
Even silier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
Balls! You don't know much about history.
I know a lot more about history than you do thanks.
Unlikely.
But true anyway
I read only 3 types of books. 1/History. 2/ Biography 3/Technical.
Me too and I also read memoirs but never of film stars or sports animals
Well, you're usually wrong, but here you're right. Memoirs are very valuable, but then, who ever tells the WHOLE story?
But. If reading the bio of a particular individual, any references to
his contempoaries might then be chased up thru their bios to get a
diffwerent perspective from which the truth emerges.
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2Bismarck had 3 wars to unify Germany in the 1800s.
Irrelevant to the situation with Putin and the Ukraine
No,
Fraid so, what Putin is doing in the Ukraine is invasion, not
unification.
wars can pay off
Yep, most obviously with the colonial wars and the US war of
independence.
So can wars driving off the invaders, most obviously with WW2
It's still unified.
But wasnt after WW2 had ended
Frederick II used the Austrian interregnumto seize Silesia, and
Germany still has it.
All completely irrelevant to what Putin is up to.
The USA seized part of Mexico and still has it. Etc. But don't
despair, history books are still all there for the reading.
Read a lot more of them than you have thanks and have enough
still viable to have noticed that while western europe used to
furiously rip each others throats out in almost ever single
generation, they have come to their senses and hsve stopped
doing that now.
Its taking longer for eastern europe and the middle east
to come to their senses.
Irrelevant to the situation with Putin and the Ukraine.
A little
mutual back scratching between Donald and Vladimir might put some >>>>>>> Ukrainian satrap in power
They get no say what so ever on who replaces Zelinskyy
Nonsense. This sort of thing has been going on forever.
Not in western europe anymore
Like Quisling?
Nothing to do with Zelinskyy
with that country gradually absorbed into
Russia, where it has been for centuries.
No chance of that
Wait and see. You're gonna eat crow!
Nope, you are.
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