Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
Phil Allison wrote
Sylvia Else wrote
The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to
the door telling them to use the doorbell.
ROTFL-a !
I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
Nevertheless, most knock on the door instead.
I guess they just don't see it.
SNAP! Same here. I wouldn't "most", but I reckon 50% still knock on
the door, despite the faux antique finish Ring doorbell button, which
has this neat illuminated ring around the button. It is impossible to
miss. Yet they still knock.
ThatrCOs because plenty of the fancy systems donrCOt
work anymore. Knocking on the door avoids that.
I have in fact done that myself, tho I usually do both.
Certainly that is the big advantage of the movement
detector approach, that works regardless of what the
delivery monkey chooses to do, even just drop the
parcel at the door and not even knock on the door
because thatrCOs the quickest way to do things.
BTW
there have been four occasions where a recording camera covering my
door at a previous address would have been invaluable. On one such it
would have avoided my being falsely charged with a crime.
Recommended.
OUCH! I am chuffed with the Ring doorbell. Before I purchased it, I
consulted a guy who spends his working days installing professional
video intercoms (stuff that costs between $2k ~ $10k+). He told me
that he had installed a few Ring devices and found them to work
flawlessly.
Wonder how many get stolen or vandalised ?
Phil Allison wrote on 9/9/21 9:34 am:
Sylvia Else wrote:
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The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the >>> door telling them to use the doorbell.
** ROTFL-a !
I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
Why would anyone use the door bell system installed if the door is being burned ('flame') all the time?? ;-P
On 9/09/2021 5:08 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
Phil Allison wrote on 9/9/21 9:34 am:
Sylvia Else wrote:
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The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the >>>> door telling them to use the doorbell.
** ROTFL-a !
I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
Why would anyone use the door bell system installed if the door is being
burned ('flame') all the time?? ;-P
**Typo. After all, the 'L' and the 'F' keys are close together.
Oh, wait a sec.... Looks at keyboard.
On 2021-09-09, Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
On 9/09/2021 5:08 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
Phil Allison wrote on 9/9/21 9:34 am:
Sylvia Else wrote:
------------------------------
The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the >>>>> door telling them to use the doorbell.
** ROTFL-a !
I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
Why would anyone use the door bell system installed if the door is being >>> burned ('flame') all the time?? ;-P
**Typo. After all, the 'L' and the 'F' keys are close together.
Oh, wait a sec.... Looks at keyboard.
"R" and "F"
Sylvia Else wrote:
------------------------------
The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the
door telling them to use the doorbell.
** ROTFL !
I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
On 09-Sep-21 9:34 am, Phil Allison wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
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The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to the >>> door telling them to use the doorbell.
** ROTFL-a !
I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
The sign turns out not to be fool-proof.
A UPS driver misread "Please use the doorbell" as "Please use the door".
So he knocked and said that he could not see the door that the arrow was pointing to. <sigh>
I'll make a new sign: "Ring the God-damned bell."
Sylvia.
I'm thinking of sourcing one of these:
<https://www.digikey.com.au/en/products/detail/ATP16-SL1-612-M4SA-04G/CKN12300-ND/10059238>
and installing it in a 3D-printed housing.
Sylvia.
A UPS driver misread "Please use the doorbell" as "Please use the door".
So he knocked and said that he could not see the door that the arrow was pointing to. <sigh>
I'll make a new sign: "Ring the God-damned bell."
On 9/09/2021 5:08 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
Phil Allison wrote on 9/9/21 9:34 am:
Sylvia Else wrote:
------------------------------
The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to
the
door telling them to use the doorbell.
** ROTFL !
I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
Why would anyone use the door bell system installed if the door is being
burned ('flame') all the time?? ;-P
**Typo. After all, the 'L' and the 'F' keys are close together.
Oh, wait a sec.... Looks at keyboard.
Sylvia Else wrote
A UPS driver misread "Please use the doorbell" as "Please use the door".
So he knocked and said that he could not see the door that the arrow was
pointing to. <sigh>
I'll make a new sign: "Ring the God-damned bell."
Shops often use simple IR beams to detect customers at the entry.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/232135538477
On 9/09/2021 5:08 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
Phil Allison wrote on 9/9/21 9:34 am:
Sylvia Else wrote:
------------------------------
The not using the doorbell has been addressed by fitting a notice to
the
door telling them to use the doorbell.
** ROTFL-a !
I have a wireless doorbell with the push-button on the door flame.
Why would anyone use the door bell system installed if the door is
being burned ('flame') all the time?? ;-P
**Typo. After all, the 'L' and the 'F' keys are close together.
Oh, wait a sec.... Looks at keyboard.
On 6/09/2021 7:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it
showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the
guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not
loud enough.
So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on
position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with delivery
drivers in mind.
Why is this so hard?
**It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I
found this:
https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It
even comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two
extension bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's
the two really nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things)
about the system:
* You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to your
cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
* The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at
around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home.
It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery
guy to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the
allegedly long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent
and the system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at
night and very well during the day. IR sensitive.
It's not immediately apparent whether any part of it works without
access so a specific set of internet servers. Depending on the
continued existence of a company to fund the servers doesn't give me
comfort.
Sylvia.
**I already explained that all it wants to see is a wi-fi network. It
can be disconnected from the internet (which mine has once or twice) and
it works just fine. The only time it needs to be connected to the
internet, is if you want to use the (pay as you go) feature of storing
video on the company's server. Which I don't.
IOW: It doesn't matter if the company goes belly-up tomorrow. My
doorbell will work just fine.
When Bunnings opens up, go and have a look at one. Pretty nifty thing
and it neatly addresses ALL your problems. The thing is waterproof and
quite nicely constructed.
On 6/09/2021 7:55 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/09/2021 7:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it
showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the >>>>> guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not
loud enough.
So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the
on position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with
delivery drivers in mind.
Why is this so hard?
**It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I
found this:
https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It
even comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two
extension bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's
the two really nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice
things) about the system:
* You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to
your cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
* The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors
at around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was
in Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my
home. It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the
delivery guy to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the
allegedly long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent
and the system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at
night and very well during the day. IR sensitive.
It's not immediately apparent whether any part of it works without
access so a specific set of internet servers. Depending on the
continued existence of a company to fund the servers doesn't give me
comfort.
Sylvia.
**I already explained that all it wants to see is a wi-fi network. It
can be disconnected from the internet (which mine has once or twice)
and it works just fine. The only time it needs to be connected to the
internet, is if you want to use the (pay as you go) feature of storing
video on the company's server. Which I don't.
IOW: It doesn't matter if the company goes belly-up tomorrow. My
doorbell will work just fine.
When Bunnings opens up, go and have a look at one. Pretty nifty thing
and it neatly addresses ALL your problems. The thing is waterproof and
quite nicely constructed.
Of course you are all missing the most obvious option, get a dog.
Anybody coming close to the door will provoke an immediate response.
It's a good deterrence to burglars too.
keithr0 wrote on 11/9/21 7:37 pm:
On 6/09/2021 7:55 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/09/2021 7:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just >>>>>> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed >>>>>> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it
showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure,
the guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but >>>>>> not loud enough.
So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the >>>>>> on position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with
delivery drivers in mind.
Why is this so hard?
**It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I
found this:
https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It
even comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two
extension bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's
the two really nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice
things) about the system:
* You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to
your cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
* The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors
at around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I
was in Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to >>>>> my home. It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the
delivery guy to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the
allegedly long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent >>>>> and the system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well
at night and very well during the day. IR sensitive.
It's not immediately apparent whether any part of it works without
access so a specific set of internet servers. Depending on the
continued existence of a company to fund the servers doesn't give me
comfort.
Sylvia.
**I already explained that all it wants to see is a wi-fi network. It
can be disconnected from the internet (which mine has once or twice)
and it works just fine. The only time it needs to be connected to the
internet, is if you want to use the (pay as you go) feature of
storing video on the company's server. Which I don't.
IOW: It doesn't matter if the company goes belly-up tomorrow. My
doorbell will work just fine.
When Bunnings opens up, go and have a look at one. Pretty nifty thing
and it neatly addresses ALL your problems. The thing is waterproof
and quite nicely constructed.
Of course you are all missing the most obvious option, get a dog.
Anybody coming close to the door will provoke an immediate response.
It's a good deterrence to burglars too.
Wellll!! Not with my 15y.o. Foxxie!! People can walk in behind her and
she would be totally unaware!! Guard dog ... not so much, but good
company none the less!!
On 6/09/2021 7:55 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/09/2021 7:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it
showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the >>>>> guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not
loud enough.
So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the
on position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with
delivery drivers in mind.
Why is this so hard?
**It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I
found this:
https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It
even comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two
extension bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's
the two really nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice
things) about the system:
* You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to
your cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
* The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors
at around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was
in Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my
home. It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the
delivery guy to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the
allegedly long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent
and the system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at
night and very well during the day. IR sensitive.
It's not immediately apparent whether any part of it works without
access so a specific set of internet servers. Depending on the
continued existence of a company to fund the servers doesn't give me
comfort.
Sylvia.
**I already explained that all it wants to see is a wi-fi network. It
can be disconnected from the internet (which mine has once or twice)
and it works just fine. The only time it needs to be connected to the
internet, is if you want to use the (pay as you go) feature of storing
video on the company's server. Which I don't.
IOW: It doesn't matter if the company goes belly-up tomorrow. My
doorbell will work just fine.
When Bunnings opens up, go and have a look at one. Pretty nifty thing
and it neatly addresses ALL your problems. The thing is waterproof and
quite nicely constructed.
Of course you are all missing the most obvious option, get a dog.
Anybody coming close to the door will provoke an immediate response.
It's a good deterrence to burglars too.
On 6/09/2021 7:55 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/09/2021 7:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just
knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed
delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it
showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the >>>>> guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not
loud enough.
So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on >>>>> position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with delivery
drivers in mind.
Why is this so hard?
**It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found >>>> this:
https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It even >>>> comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two extension >>>> bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's the two really >>>> nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things) about the
system:
* You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to your >>>> cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
* The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at >>>> around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in
Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home. >>>> It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy >>>> to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the allegedly >>>> long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the
system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and >>>> very well during the day. IR sensitive.
It's not immediately apparent whether any part of it works without
access so a specific set of internet servers. Depending on the continued >>> existence of a company to fund the servers doesn't give me comfort.
Sylvia.
**I already explained that all it wants to see is a wi-fi network. It can >> be disconnected from the internet (which mine has once or twice) and it
works just fine. The only time it needs to be connected to the internet,
is if you want to use the (pay as you go) feature of storing video on the >> company's server. Which I don't.
IOW: It doesn't matter if the company goes belly-up tomorrow. My doorbell >> will work just fine.
When Bunnings opens up, go and have a look at one. Pretty nifty thing and >> it neatly addresses ALL your problems. The thing is waterproof and quite
nicely constructed.
Of course you are all missing the most obvious option, get a dog. Anybody coming close to the door will provoke an immediate response.
It's a good deterrence to burglars too.
On 11/09/2021 9:22 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
keithr0 wrote on 11/9/21 7:37 pm:
On 6/09/2021 7:55 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/09/2021 7:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just >>>>>>> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed >>>>>>> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it >>>>>>> showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the >>>>>>> guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not >>>>>>> loud enough.
So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on >>>>>>> position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with delivery >>>>>>> drivers in mind.
Why is this so hard?
**It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I
found this:
https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2 >>>>>>
It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It >>>>>> even comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two >>>>>> extension bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's >>>>>> the two really nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things) >>>>>> about the system:
* You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to your >>>>>> cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
* The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at >>>>>> around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in >>>>>> Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home. >>>>>> It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery >>>>>> guy to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the
allegedly long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent >>>>>> and the system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at >>>>>> night and very well during the day. IR sensitive.
It's not immediately apparent whether any part of it works without
access so a specific set of internet servers. Depending on the
continued existence of a company to fund the servers doesn't give me >>>>> comfort.
Sylvia.
**I already explained that all it wants to see is a wi-fi network. It >>>> can be disconnected from the internet (which mine has once or twice)
and it works just fine. The only time it needs to be connected to the >>>> internet, is if you want to use the (pay as you go) feature of storing >>>> video on the company's server. Which I don't.
IOW: It doesn't matter if the company goes belly-up tomorrow. My
doorbell will work just fine.
When Bunnings opens up, go and have a look at one. Pretty nifty thing >>>> and it neatly addresses ALL your problems. The thing is waterproof and >>>> quite nicely constructed.
Of course you are all missing the most obvious option, get a dog.
Anybody coming close to the door will provoke an immediate response.
It's a good deterrence to burglars too.
Wellll!! Not with my 15y.o. Foxxie!! People can walk in behind her and
she would be totally unaware!! Guard dog ... not so much, but good
company none the less!!
Our cocker would let us know if anybody came into the front garden,
and he disrupted a burglary attempt (it was dark and the burglars couldn't see that it was just a little cocker)
it to 15.
On 11/09/2021 7:37 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 6/09/2021 7:55 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/09/2021 7:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just >>>>>> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed >>>>>> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it
showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, the >>>>>> guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but not >>>>>> loud enough.
So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the on >>>>>> position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with delivery >>>>>> drivers in mind.
Why is this so hard?
**It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I found >>>>> this:
https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It
even comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two
extension bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's the >>>>> two really nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice things)
about the system:
* You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to your >>>>> cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
* The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors at >>>>> around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I was in >>>>> Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to my home. >>>>> It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the delivery guy >>>>> to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the allegedly >>>>> long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent and the
system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well at night and >>>>> very well during the day. IR sensitive.
It's not immediately apparent whether any part of it works without
access so a specific set of internet servers. Depending on the
continued existence of a company to fund the servers doesn't give me
comfort.
Sylvia.
**I already explained that all it wants to see is a wi-fi network. It
can be disconnected from the internet (which mine has once or twice) and >>> it works just fine. The only time it needs to be connected to the
internet, is if you want to use the (pay as you go) feature of storing
video on the company's server. Which I don't.
IOW: It doesn't matter if the company goes belly-up tomorrow. My
doorbell will work just fine.
When Bunnings opens up, go and have a look at one. Pretty nifty thing
and it neatly addresses ALL your problems. The thing is waterproof and
quite nicely constructed.
Of course you are all missing the most obvious option, get a dog. Anybody >> coming close to the door will provoke an immediate response.
It's a good deterrence to burglars too.
**All good points. except:
https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/are-our-pets-bad-for-the-environment/
And:
https://www.thesprucepets.com/the-cost-of-dog-ownership-1117321
Don't get me wrong: I've owned dogs. Fabulous companion animals. And it is true that mine alerted me to visitors. However, for _me_, the cost was too great, so when my last one was put down (at age 15 and it was the most gut-wrenching thing I've ever done), I decided that I would not own
another.
The Ring is cheaper, 100% reliable. My old girl got to the point where she could no longer hear the visitors,
could barely see them
and mostly couldn't be bothered hopping out of her bed.
That was not why I had her put down BTW. She had Cushings Syndrome and it finally impacted on her brain. The last couple of days of her life were extremely unpleasant and very distressing for my partner and me.
As for burglar deterrence, I find that the following seems to be
effective:
* An obviously placed (high) alarm siren box, with a nice 1 Watt, red LED mounted on it.
* An obviously placed camera (which Sylvia already has).
I had a successful burglary at my last home and a couple of attempted burglaries. After I installed an alarm (with a nice red LED, that was visible during the day) and camera system, I never had a problem.
I've done the same here, but, in truth, my suburb is, according to
official stats, the lowest crime suburb in Sydney metro. My neighbour
leaves his garage door unlocked. so we (his immediate neighbours) have
easy access to his extensive and expensive range of tools. I reckon he is nuts, but he has lived here for something like 40 years and never had a problem. Hell, until two years ago, he left the key in the front door
24/7!
"keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message news:iq3bmlFhnd0U1@mid.individual.net...
On 6/09/2021 7:55 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/09/2021 7:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just >>>>>> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed >>>>>> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it
showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure,
the guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but >>>>>> not loud enough.
So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the >>>>>> on position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with
delivery drivers in mind.
Why is this so hard?
**It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I
found this:
https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2
It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It
even comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two
extension bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's
the two really nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice
things) about the system:
* You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to
your cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
* The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors
at around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I
was in Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to >>>>> my home. It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the
delivery guy to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell.
I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the
allegedly long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent >>>>> and the system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well
at night and very well during the day. IR sensitive.
It's not immediately apparent whether any part of it works without
access so a specific set of internet servers. Depending on the
continued existence of a company to fund the servers doesn't give me
comfort.
Sylvia.
**I already explained that all it wants to see is a wi-fi network. It
can be disconnected from the internet (which mine has once or twice)
and it works just fine. The only time it needs to be connected to the
internet, is if you want to use the (pay as you go) feature of
storing video on the company's server. Which I don't.
IOW: It doesn't matter if the company goes belly-up tomorrow. My
doorbell will work just fine.
When Bunnings opens up, go and have a look at one. Pretty nifty thing
and it neatly addresses ALL your problems. The thing is waterproof
and quite nicely constructed.
Of course you are all missing the most obvious option, get a dog.
Anybody coming close to the door will provoke an immediate response.
The ring system works a lot better, it lets you
see who it is so you can ignore the joveys etc
and lets you see that the delivery monkey has
dropped the parcel outside the door so you
can retrieve it before someone nicks it.
Rod Speed wrote
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On 6/09/2021 7:55 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/09/2021 7:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 06-Sep-21 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/09/2021 12:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
My house didn't have a door bell when I moved in, and people just >>>>>>> knocked. That seemed OK, until recently when I had repeated failed >>>>>>> delivery attempts. After I'd installed a surveillance camera, it >>>>>>> showed that, rather to my surprise, on the most recent failure, >>>>>>> the guy had actually come to the door. Presumably, he knocked, but >>>>>>> not loud enough.
So I installed a door bell. Tested it. It worked fine.
Then the very first time a delivery guy used it, it jammed in the >>>>>>> on position. Apparently, the bell push wasn't designed with
delivery drivers in mind.
Why is this so hard?
**It's not. After trying several different doorbell solutions, I
found this:
https://ring.com/au/en/products/video-doorbell-with-chime-pro-gen2 >>>>>>
It is fucking brilliant. Quality is excellent. Easy to install. It >>>>>> even comes with a teeny tiny spirit level. I ordered mine with two >>>>>> extension bells (one in the house and one in the workshop). Here's >>>>>> the two really nice things (and a whole bunch of regular nice
things) about the system:
* You connect it to your home wi-fi network and it can 'talk' to
your cell phone or tablet anywhere on the planet.
* The camera senses movement, day or night, and announces visitors >>>>>> at around 5 ~ 6 Metres, BEFORE the button is pushed. Last time I
was in Newcastle I spoke to a mate who popped around unannounced to >>>>>> my home. It was pretty cool. You could, for instance, instruct the >>>>>> delivery guy to leave the parcel, via the speaker in the doorbell. >>>>>>
I wired mine into a full time supply, so I don't rely on the
allegedly long pasting internal battery. Instructions are excellent >>>>>> and the system just works flawlessly. The camera works quite well >>>>>> at night and very well during the day. IR sensitive.
It's not immediately apparent whether any part of it works without
access so a specific set of internet servers. Depending on the
continued existence of a company to fund the servers doesn't give me >>>>> comfort.
Sylvia.
**I already explained that all it wants to see is a wi-fi network. It >>>> can be disconnected from the internet (which mine has once or twice)
and it works just fine. The only time it needs to be connected to the >>>> internet, is if you want to use the (pay as you go) feature of
storing video on the company's server. Which I don't.
IOW: It doesn't matter if the company goes belly-up tomorrow. My
doorbell will work just fine.
When Bunnings opens up, go and have a look at one. Pretty nifty thing >>>> and it neatly addresses ALL your problems. The thing is waterproof
and quite nicely constructed.
Of course you are all missing the most obvious option, get a dog.
Anybody coming close to the door will provoke an immediate response.
The ring system works a lot better, it lets you
see who it is so you can ignore the joveys etc
and lets you see that the delivery monkey has
dropped the parcel outside the door so you
can retrieve it before someone nicks it.
AND you can speak to anyone at your front door, from anyplace on
the planet. I've used that facility once. BLD (Before Lock Down).
As for burglar deterrence, I find that the following seems to be effective:
* An obviously placed (high) alarm siren box, with a nice 1 Watt, red
LED mounted on it.
* An obviously placed camera (which Sylvia already has).
Trevor Wilson wrote:
=================
As for burglar deterrence, I find that the following seems to be effective: >>
* An obviously placed (high) alarm siren box, with a nice 1 Watt, red
LED mounted on it.
* An obviously placed camera (which Sylvia already has).
** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.
1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic of a total stranger.
2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.
3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera about - others don't even care.
** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.
1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic of a total stranger.
2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.
3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera about - others don't even care.
**The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field is surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face,
before getting into camera range.
Trevor Wilson believes in fantasies wrote: ---------------------------------------------------------------
** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.**The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field is
1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic of a total stranger.
2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.
3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera about - others don't even care.
surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face,
before getting into camera range.
** What for?
Try reading point 1 for its actual meaning.
** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.**The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field is
1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic of a total stranger.
2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.
3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera about - others don't even care.
surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face,
before getting into camera range.
** What for?
Try reading point 1 for its actual meaning.
**True enough. For me anyway, since I don't save vision. Others may
choose to. If they do, then supplying that vision may be helpful to the cops, as they prolly know all the dodgy drug addicts in their area.
Trevor Wilson believes in fantasies wrote:
---------------------------------------------------------------
** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.**The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field is >>>> surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face,
1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic of a total stranger.
2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.
3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera about - others don't even care.
before getting into camera range.
** What for?
Try reading point 1 for its actual meaning.
**True enough. For me anyway, since I don't save vision. Others may
choose to. If they do, then supplying that vision may be helpful to the
cops, as they prolly know all the dodgy drug addicts in their area.
** Massive, silly fantasy.
1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.
2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.
3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as police.
Trevor Wilson wrote
As for burglar deterrence, I find that the following seems to be
effective:
* An obviously placed (high) alarm siren box, with a nice 1 Watt, red
LED mounted on it.
* An obviously placed camera (which Sylvia already has).
Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.
1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic
of a total stranger.
2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of
the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.
3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera
about
- others don't even care.
On 12/09/2021 10:21 am, Phil Allison wrote:
Trevor Wilson believes in fantasies wrote: ---------------------------------------------------------------
** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.**The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field is >>>> surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face, >>>> before getting into camera range.
1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic of a total stranger.
2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.
3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera about - others don't even care.
** What for?
Try reading point 1 for its actual meaning.
**True enough. For me anyway, since I don't save vision. Others may
choose to. If they do, then supplying that vision may be helpful to the >> cops, as they prolly know all the dodgy drug addicts in their area.
** Massive, silly fantasy.
1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.**Don't they? They did when I got done 40 years ago. I guess I'm out of
the loop. Really? They don't investigate burglaries? Wow.
2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.
3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as police.
** Sure, but I bet they all the dodgy drug addicts by sight.
Trevor Wilson wrote
** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.**The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field is
1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic
of a total stranger.
2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon as >> >>> they arrive and it's game over.
3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera
about - others don't even care.
surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face,
before getting into camera range.
** What for?
Try reading point 1 for its actual meaning.
**True enough. For me anyway, since I don't save vision. Others may
choose to. If they do, then supplying that vision may be helpful to the
cops, as they prolly know all the dodgy drug addicts in their area.
Massive, silly fantasy.
1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.
2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.
3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as police.
Phil Allison wrote
Trevor Wilson wrote
---------------------------------------------------------------
** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.**The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field is >>>>> surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face, >>>>> before getting into camera range.
1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic >>>>>> of a total stranger.
2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon as >>>>>> they arrive and it's game over.
3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera >>>>>> about - others don't even care.
** What for?
Try reading point 1 for its actual meaning.
**True enough. For me anyway, since I don't save vision. Others may
choose to. If they do, then supplying that vision may be helpful to the
cops, as they prolly know all the dodgy drug addicts in their area.
** Massive, silly fantasy.
1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.
Don't they? They did when I got done 40 years ago. I guess I'm out of the loop. Really? They don't investigate burglaries? Wow.
2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.
See, I didn't know that, but it makes perfect sense.
I had one guy who lived 500m from my home who tried once. The bars on the workshop windows stopped him. I know who it was, because I saw him run
off, when I arrived home. I confronted him later (I knew him) and told him to never return, as there would be repercussions.
3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as
police.
Sure, but I bet they all the dodgy drug addicts by sight.
It may be a total stranger of yours but not necessarily of everyone.** ROTFL
The high school recognised one of my burglars and told** Rod lives in a small town.
the cops who it was. The cops recognised another of mine.
** Nope. Just wear sun glass and a put one hand over your mouth.2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens ofThatrCOs bullshit too with the footage before its covered
the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.
and easy to put it where it cant be covered too.** Not so easy at all in reality.
** Not so easy & has no deterrent value if you are stupid enough to do that - areshole.3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible cameraSo donrCOt have it visible, stupid.
about
And will be recognised by the cops.** Fat chance.
1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.That is a pig ignorant lie. They have investigated 4 of mine and my neighbours' too.
3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as police.More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.
Not only did they investigate the stolen twin cab
Trevor Wilson believes in fantasies wrote:They still do in Victoria.
---------------------------------------------------------------
** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.**The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field is >>>> surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face,
1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry pic of a total stranger.
2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.
3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera about - others don't even care.
before getting into camera range.
** What for?
Try reading point 1 for its actual meaning.
**True enough. For me anyway, since I don't save vision. Others may
choose to. If they do, then supplying that vision may be helpful to the
cops, as they prolly know all the dodgy drug addicts in their area.
** Massive, silly fantasy.
1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.
2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.Well, yes, but coppers talk to other coppers.
3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as police.Some do, some don't.
** Massive, silly fantasy.
1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.They still do in Victoria.
2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.
Well, yes, but coppers talk to other coppers.
3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as police.
Some do, some don't.
Trevor Wilson wrote
Phil Allison wrote
Trevor Wilson believes in fantasies wrote:**Don't they? They did when I got done 40 years ago. I guess I'm out of
---------------------------------------------------------------
** Cameras are a waste of money against intruders.**The Ring camera is VERY clear. 1080p picture (HD). Depth of field
1. Unless you actually know the burglar, all you get is a blurry
pic of a total stranger.
2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of the camera soon
as they arrive and it's game over.
3. Most burglars will cover their face if there is a visible camera >> >>>>> about - others don't even care.
is
surprisingly decent too. Any burglar would need to cover their face,
before getting into camera range.
** What for?
Try reading point 1 for its actual meaning.
**True enough. For me anyway, since I don't save vision. Others may
choose to. If they do, then supplying that vision may be helpful to
the
cops, as they prolly know all the dodgy drug addicts in their area.
** Massive, silly fantasy.
1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.
the loop. Really? They don't investigate burglaries? Wow.
All you will get is a case number for insurance purposes.
2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.
3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as
police.
** Sure, but I bet they all the dodgy drug addicts by sight.
You would lose that bet, big time.
My part of Sydney is full of methadone clinics, half way
houses for ex convicts and very cheap boarding houses.
PLUS the Rev Bill Cruise refuge center for druggies.
There is a constantly changing flow of clients for all of the above.
Druggies have no regular address.
Rod wrote
It may be a total stranger of yours but not necessarily of everyone.
The high school recognised one of my burglars and told
the cops who it was. The cops recognised another of mine.
Rod lives in a small town.
2. All any stranger has to do is cover the lens of
the camera soon as they arrive and it's game over.
ThatrCOs bullshit too with the footage before its covered
Nope. Just wear sun glass and a put one hand over your mouth.
and easy to put it where it cant be covered too.
Not so easy at all in reality.
3. Most burglars will cover their face if
there is a visible camera about
So donrCOt have it visible, stupid.
Not so easy
& has no deterrent value if you are stupid enough to do that
And will be recognised by the cops.
Fat chance.
Gary R. Schmidt wrote
======================
They still do in Victoria.
** Massive, silly fantasy.
1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.
** Nonsense.
Take finger prints, crime scene photos, send detectives around doing interviews for a lost laptop ??
2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.
Well, yes, but coppers talk to other coppers.
** Meaningless drivel.
3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as
police.
Some do, some don't.
** Not in big cities.
Gary R. Schmidt bullshitted:
======================
They still do in Victoria.
** Massive, silly fantasy.
1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.
** Nonsense.
Take finger prints, crime scene photos, send detectives around doing interviews for a lost laptop ??
2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.
Well, yes, but coppers talk to other coppers.
** Meaningless drivel.
3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as police.
Some do, some don't.
** Not in big cities.
** Massive, silly fantasy.
1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.
They still do in Victoria.
** Nonsense.
Take finger prints, crime scene photos, send detectives around doing interviews for a lost laptop ??
A lost laptop, no, but a proper burglary, yes.
2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.
Well, yes, but coppers talk to other coppers.
** Meaningless drivel.
No, it's how things get done.
3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as police.
Some do, some don't.
** Not in big cities.
Well, I live in Mentone, a suburb of Melbourne - which even you would
have to acknowledge is a big city - and I know of two coppers who live within a klick of me who work out of Mordialloc, which covers Mentone.
Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
========================
A lost laptop, no, but a proper burglary, yes.
** Massive, silly fantasy.
1. The police do not investigate home burglaries.
They still do in Victoria.
** Nonsense.
Take finger prints, crime scene photos, send detectives around doing interviews for a lost laptop ??
** I see no answer to my Q - cos there was no investigation.
No, it's how things get done.2. Burglars avoid their local area when active.
Well, yes, but coppers talk to other coppers.
** Meaningless drivel.
** Absurd, meaningless drivel & purest bullshit.
Well, I live in Mentone, a suburb of Melbourne - which even you would3. Police officers do not live in the same area where they operate as police.
Some do, some don't.
** Not in big cities.
have to acknowledge is a big city - and I know of two coppers who live
within a klick of me who work out of Mordialloc, which covers Mentone.
** You live in a Mental Hospital for insane autistics.
The high school recognised one of my burglars and told
the cops who it was. The cops recognised another of mine.
** You live in a Mental Hospital for insane autistics.
But, just like him, you're so wrong that you couldn't be wronger if you wrapped yourself in wrong, poured a jerry-can full of wrong over
yourself, and set yourself on fire.
Actually, why don't you do that with a jerry-can full of petrol, it
would improve the world in so many, many ways.
For a start it would put you out of your misery, and, indeed, out of ours.
Such a massive improvement to the universe from so simple a task, don't
you think?
But then, you don't think, do you?
About time you go back in the kill-file with the other anencephalic lusers.
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