I bought an Arlec pedestal fan yesterday. When I got it home I noticed
that it claimed "DC motor technology". Turns out that instead of a mains lead, it has a plug-pack that connects to it.
Anyway, I assume their motive for this change is cost, so we may see it
in other models/brands. Something to watch out for.
As it happened, a part was missing, and I was able to return it for a refund.
Sylvia.
On 7/12/2023 9:58 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
I bought an Arlec pedestal fan yesterday. When I got it home I noticed
that it claimed "DC motor technology". Turns out that instead of a
mains lead, it has a plug-pack that connects to it.
Was that one of those remote controlled ones?
On 07-Dec-23 10:05 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 7/12/2023 9:58 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
I bought an Arlec pedestal fan yesterday. When I got it home I
noticed that it claimed "DC motor technology". Turns out that instead
of a mains lead, it has a plug-pack that connects to it.
Was that one of those remote controlled ones?
Yes, though that wasn't why I bought it.
Sylvia.
I bought an Arlec pedestal fan yesterday. When I got it home I noticed
that it claimed "DC motor technology". Turns out that instead of a mains lead, it has a plug-pack that connects to it.
Anyway, I assume their motive for this change is cost,
so we may see it in other models/brands.
Something to watch out for.
As it happened, a part was missing, and I was able to return it for a refund.
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
I bought an Arlec pedestal fan yesterday. When I got it home I
noticed that it claimed "DC motor technology". Turns out that instead
of a mains lead, it has a plug-pack that connects to it.
Anyway, I assume their motive for this change is cost,
Can't see that.
so we may see ita in other models/brands.
Something to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
--As it happened, a part was missing, and I was able to return it for a
refund.
You can with the best sellers if it turns out you don't like something
about it.
On 07-Dec-23 10:05 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 7/12/2023 9:58 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
I bought an Arlec pedestal fan yesterday. When I got it home I noticed
that it claimed "DC motor technology". Turns out that instead of a
mains lead, it has a plug-pack that connects to it.
Was that one of those remote controlled ones?
Yes, though that wasn't why I bought it.
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
I bought an Arlec pedestal fan yesterday. When I got it home I noticed
that it claimed "DC motor technology". Turns out that instead of a
mains lead, it has a plug-pack that connects to it.
Anyway, I assume their motive for this change is cost,
Can't see that.
so we may see it-a in other models/brands.
Something to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
On 08-Dec-23 4:09 am, Rod Speed wrote:
Something to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
In aus.cars Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
On 08-Dec-23 4:09 am, Rod Speed wrote:
Something to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan,
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
which a fan could often be used with.
In aus.electronics Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
On 07-Dec-23 10:05 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 7/12/2023 9:58 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
I bought an Arlec pedestal fan yesterday. When I got it home I noticed >>>> that it claimed "DC motor technology". Turns out that instead of a
mains lead, it has a plug-pack that connects to it.
Was that one of those remote controlled ones?
Yes, though that wasn't why I bought it.
Perhaps the speed is continuously variable instead of in fixed
steps? Personally I prefer old-fashioned ones with a physical speed
switch, but if people demand blinky lights and remote controls
then this is what they'll get. Unfortunately there's far more to go
wrong as a result, and probably far more power wasted too.
On 8/12/2023 8:26 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.cars Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:Wall Warts are a PITA. The company buys in a heap of wall warts that are already Aus certified for 230V so they don't need to have the fan itself certified. Cheaping out is all it is.
On 08-Dec-23 4:09 am, Rod Speed wrote:
Something to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan,
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
which a fan could often be used with.
In aus.cars Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
On 08-Dec-23 4:09 am, Rod Speed wrote:
Something to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan,
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
which a fan could often be used with.
On 08-Dec-23 10:59 am, Xeno wrote:
On 8/12/2023 8:26 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.cars Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:Wall Warts are a PITA. The company buys in a heap of wall warts that
On 08-Dec-23 4:09 am, Rod Speed wrote:
Something to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan,
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
which a fan could often be used with.
are already Aus certified for 230V so they don't need to have the fan
itself certified. Cheaping out is all it is.
What puzzles me is how quickly the models change, which presumably means they have to be re-certified.
Are consumers really so shallow that
they'll refuse to buy something that was already available a year ago?
Sylvia.
On 08-Dec-23 8:26 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.cars Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
On 08-Dec-23 4:09 am, Rod Speed wrote:
Something to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan,
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
which a fan could often be used with.
I find that plug packs, especially the higher power ones, often take up
more than their fair share of space on a power socket, and render the adjacent socket unusable.
Sylvia.
On 8/12/2023 8:26 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.cars Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:Wall Warts are a PITA. The company buys in a heap of wall warts that
On 08-Dec-23 4:09 am, Rod Speed wrote:
Something to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan,
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
which a fan could often be used with.
are already Aus certified for 230V so they don't need to have the fan
itself certified. Cheaping out is all it is.
On 08-Dec-23 10:59 am, Xeno wrote:
On 8/12/2023 8:26 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.cars Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:Wall Warts are a PITA. The company buys in a heap of wall warts that are
On 08-Dec-23 4:09 am, Rod Speed wrote:
Something to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan,
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
which a fan could often be used with.
already Aus certified for 230V so they don't need to have the fan itself
certified. Cheaping out is all it is.
What puzzles me is how quickly the models change, which presumably means >they have to be re-certified. Are consumers really so shallow that
they'll refuse to buy something that was already available a year ago?
Sylvia.
Xeno wrote:
On 8/12/2023 8:26 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.cars Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:Wall Warts are a PITA. The company buys in a heap of wall warts that
On 08-Dec-23 4:09 am, Rod Speed wrote:
Something to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan,
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
which a fan could often be used with.
are already Aus certified for 230V so they don't need to have the fan
itself certified. Cheaping out is all it is.
but they would have to remake the fan to run on DC, so false economy
On 08-Dec-23 8:26 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.cars Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
On 08-Dec-23 4:09 am, Rod Speed wrote:
Something to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan,
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
which a fan could often be used with.
I find that plug packs, especially the higher power ones, often take up
more than their fair share of space on a power socket, and render the adjacent socket unusable.
On 8/12/2023 8:26 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.cars Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:Wall Warts are a PITA. The company buys in a heap of wall warts that are already Aus certified for 230V so they don't need to have the fan itself certified. Cheaping out is all it is.
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan,
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
which a fan could often be used with.
On 08-Dec-23 8:26 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan,
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
which a fan could often be used with.
I find that plug packs, especially the higher power ones, often take up
more than their fair share of space on a power socket, and render the adjacent socket unusable.
On 8/12/2023 11:07 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 08-Dec-23 8:26 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.cars Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
On 08-Dec-23 4:09 am, Rod Speed wrote:
Something to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan,
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
which a fan could often be used with.
I find that plug packs, especially the higher power ones, often take
up more than their fair share of space on a power socket, and render
the adjacent socket unusable.
That can be a problem, I've put up lots of Christmas lights and
finding space in a power board for the power supplies can be a problem
which is why I end with a string of power boards.
I control the lights with smart plugs and earlier versions were quite
big, so big that you can't fit 2 on a double power point but the manufacturers must have figured that out because today I bought 2 tapo "mini" smart plugs and they will fit side by side in a double power
point.
Daryl wrote:
On 8/12/2023 11:07 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 08-Dec-23 8:26 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.cars Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
On 08-Dec-23 4:09 am, Rod Speed wrote:
Something to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan,
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
which a fan could often be used with.
I find that plug packs, especially the higher power ones, often take
up more than their fair share of space on a power socket, and render
the adjacent socket unusable.
That can be a problem, I've put up lots of Christmas lights and
finding space in a power board for the power supplies can be a problem
which is why I end with a string of power boards.
I control the lights with smart plugs and earlier versions were quite
big, so big that you can't fit 2 on a double power point but the
manufacturers must have figured that out because today I bought 2 tapo
"mini" smart plugs and they will fit side by side in a double power
point.
what's happened to your BFF? strange for him to be MIA for three days
In aus.electronics Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 8/12/2023 8:26 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.cars Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:Wall Warts are a PITA. The company buys in a heap of wall warts that are
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan,
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
which a fan could often be used with.
already Aus certified for 230V so they don't need to have the fan itself
certified. Cheaping out is all it is.
Sure, my fans are all AC ones with chunky knobs to turn, so the
idea of DC seems like extra complication to me wherever the PSU is.
Besides the certification issue, plugpacks also allow them to use a
cheap low-voltage cable running to the fan.
Rod Speed wrote
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
I bought an Arlec pedestal fan yesterday. When I got it home I noticed >>> that it claimed "DC motor technology". Turns out that instead of a
mains lead, it has a plug-pack that connects to it.
Anyway, I assume their motive for this change is cost,
Can't see that.
so we may see it in other models/brands.
Something to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan,Something to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
which a fan could often be used with.
Wall Warts are a PITA.
The company buys in a heap of wall warts that are already Aus certified
for 230V so they don't need tohave the fan itself certified. Cheaping
out is all it is.
Xeno wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Wall Warts are a PITA. The company buys in a heap of wall warts thatSomething to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan,
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
which a fan could often be used with.
are already Aus certified for 230V so they don't need to have the fan
itself certified. Cheaping out is all it is.
What puzzles me is how quickly the models change, which presumablymeans they have to be re-certified. Are consumers really so shallow that
they'll refuse to buy something that was already available a year ago?
On 08-Dec-23 8:26 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.cars Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
On 08-Dec-23 4:09 am, Rod Speed wrote:Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan,
Something to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
which a fan could often be used with.
I find that plug packs, especially the higher power ones, often take up more than their fair share of space on a power socket, and render the adjacent socket unusable.
On 08-Dec-23 5:18 pm, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.electronics Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 8/12/2023 8:26 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.cars Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:Wall Warts are a PITA. The company buys in a heap of wall warts that are >>> already Aus certified for 230V so they don't need to have the fan itself >>> certified. Cheaping out is all it is.
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan,
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
which a fan could often be used with.
Sure, my fans are all AC ones with chunky knobs to turn, so the
idea of DC seems like extra complication to me wherever the PSU is.
Besides the certification issue, plugpacks also allow them to use a
cheap low-voltage cable running to the fan.
But the cable has to handle a higher current, and will use more metal,
even if it uses less plastic. It's not clear that there's a saving there.
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
-aHuh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan,Something to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
-aI suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
which a fan could often be used with.
Wall Warts are a PITA.
Don't buy that.
The company buys in a heap of wall warts that are already Aus
certified for 230V so they don't need tohave the fan itself
certified. Cheaping out is all it is.
Its bullshit to claim that that's all it is.
On 9/12/2023 4:55 am, Rod Speed wrote:
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
-aHuh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan,Something to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
-aI suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
which a fan could often be used with.
Wall Warts are a PITA.
Don't buy that.
Yeah, I don't buy anything with wall warts either if there's an
alternative.
The company buys in a heap of wall warts that are already Aus
certified for 230V so they don't need tohave the fan itself-a
certified. Cheaping out is all it is.
Its bullshit to claim that that's all it is.
Ok, you enlighten us on *your* reasoning behind the wall wart plague!
On 8/12/2023 9:43 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 08-Dec-23 5:18 pm, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.electronics Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:But the cable has to handle a higher current, and will use more metal,
On 8/12/2023 8:26 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.cars Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:Wall Warts are a PITA. The company buys in a heap of wall warts that >>>> are
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan,
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
which a fan could often be used with.
already Aus certified for 230V so they don't need to have the fan
itself
certified. Cheaping out is all it is.
Sure, my fans are all AC ones with chunky knobs to turn, so the
idea of DC seems like extra complication to me wherever the PSU is.
Besides the certification issue, plugpacks also allow them to use a
cheap low-voltage cable running to the fan.
even if it uses less plastic. It's not clear that there's a saving
there.
Could be to do with a Govt regulation somewherethat states that
appliances must use less power,
its that way in the automotive world,
some of the changes that manufacturers make don't seem to makeany sense
at all until you look at the regulations they must comply with.
Xeno wrote:
On 9/12/2023 4:55 am, Rod Speed wrote:
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
-aHuh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan, >>>>> but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by theSomething to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
-aI suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
which a fan could often be used with.
Wall Warts are a PITA.
Don't buy that.
Yeah, I don't buy anything with wall warts either if there's an
alternative.
The company buys in a heap of wall warts that are already Aus
certified for 230V so they don't need tohave the fan itself
certified. Cheaping out is all it is.
Its bullshit to claim that that's all it is.
Ok, you enlighten us on *your* reasoning behind the wall wart plague!
industry requirements?
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan,Something to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
which a fan could often be used with.
Wall Warts are a PITA.
Don't buy that.
Yeah, I don't buy anything with wall warts either if there's an alternative.
The company buys in a heap of wall warts that are already Aus
certified for 230V so they don't need tohave the fan itself
certified. Cheaping out is all it is.
Its bullshit to claim that that's all it is.
Ok, you enlighten us on *your* reasoning behind the wall wart plague!
Xeno wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan, >>>>> but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by theSomething to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
which a fan could often be used with.
Wall Warts are a PITA.
Don't buy that.
Yeah, I don't buy anything with wall warts either if there's an
alternative.
The company buys in a heap of wall warts that are already Aus
certified for 230V so they don't need tohave the fan itself
certified. Cheaping out is all it is.
Its bullshit to claim that that's all it is.
Ok, you enlighten us on *your* reasoning behind the wall wart plague!
industry requirements?
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
-aHuh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan, >>>>> but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by theSomething to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
-aI suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
which a fan could often be used with.
Wall Warts are a PITA.
-aDon't buy that.
Yeah, I don't buy anything with wall warts either if there's an
alternative.
More fool you, and that's not what I meant.
The company buys in a heap of wall warts that are already Aus
certified for 230V so they don't need tohave the fan itself
certified. Cheaping out is all it is.
-aIts bullshit to claim that that's all it is.
Ok, you enlighten us on *your* reasoning behind the wall wart plague!
There is no plague.
Its the sensible way to do things.
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
More fool you, and that's not what I meant.Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan, >>>>>> but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by theSomething to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
which a fan could often be used with.
Wall Warts are a PITA.
Don't buy that.
Yeah, I don't buy anything with wall warts either if there's an
alternative.
There is no plague.The company buys in a heap of wall warts that are already Aus
certified for 230V so they don't need tohave the fan itself
certified. Cheaping out is all it is.
Its bullshit to claim that that's all it is.
Ok, you enlighten us on *your* reasoning behind the wall wart plague!
Its the sensible way to do things.
There's a wall wart plague here.
Damn near everything has a wall wart these days.
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
-aMore fool you, and that's not what I meant.-aHuh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan, >>>>>>> but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the >>>>>>> meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.Something to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
-aI suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though, >>>>>>> which a fan could often be used with.
Wall Warts are a PITA.
-aDon't buy that.
Yeah, I don't buy anything with wall warts either if there's an
alternative.
-aThere is no plague.The company buys in a heap of wall warts that are already Aus
certified for 230V so they don't need tohave the fan itself
certified. Cheaping out is all it is.
-aIts bullshit to claim that that's all it is.
Ok, you enlighten us on *your* reasoning behind the wall wart plague!
-aIts the sensible way to do things.
There's a wall wart plague here.
Nope. The same number of plugged in devices regardless
of whether there are powered with a wall wart or not.
Damn near everything has a wall wart these days.
The same number of plugged in devices regardless
of whether there are powered with a wall wart or not.
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
More fool you, and that's not what I meant.Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal >>>>>>>> fan,Something to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the >>>>>>>> meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though, >>>>>>>> which a fan could often be used with.
Wall Warts are a PITA.
Don't buy that.
Yeah, I don't buy anything with wall warts either if there's an
alternative.
Its the sensible way to do things.The company buys in a heap of wall warts that are already Aus
certified for 230V so they don't need tohave the fan itself
certified. Cheaping out is all it is.
Its bullshit to claim that that's all it is.
Ok, you enlighten us on *your* reasoning behind the wall wart plague! >>>> There is no plague.
There's a wall wart plague here.
Nope. The same number of plugged in devices regardless
of whether there are powered with a wall wart or not.
Damn near everything has a wall wart these days.
The same number of plugged in devices regardless
of whether there are powered with a wall wart or not.
Your avoidance of the question noted!
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
-aMore fool you, and that's not what I meant.-aHuh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal >>>>>>>>> fan,Something to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the >>>>>>>>> meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
-aI suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though, >>>>>>>>> which a fan could often be used with.
Wall Warts are a PITA.
-aDon't buy that.
Yeah, I don't buy anything with wall warts either if there's an
alternative.
-aIts the sensible way to do things.The company buys in a heap of wall warts that are already Aus >>>>>>>> certified for 230V so they don't need tohave the fan itself
certified. Cheaping out is all it is.
-aIts bullshit to claim that that's all it is.
Ok, you enlighten us on *your* reasoning behind the wall wart plague! >>>>> -aThere is no plague.
There's a wall wart plague here.
-aNope. The same number of plugged in devices regardless
of whether there are powered with a wall wart or not.
Damn near everything has a wall wart these days.
-aThe same number of plugged in devices regardless
of whether there are powered with a wall wart or not.
Your avoidance of the question noted!
No question was avoided, fuckwit.
On 10/12/2023 7:14 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
-aMore fool you, and that's not what I meant.-aHuh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DCSomething to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
pedestal fan,
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the >>>>>>>>>> meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
-aI suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though, >>>>>>>>>> which a fan could often be used with.
Wall Warts are a PITA.
-aDon't buy that.
Yeah, I don't buy anything with wall warts either if there's an >>>>>>> alternative.
-aThere is no plague.The company buys in a heap of wall warts that are already Aus >>>>>>>>> certified for 230V so they don't need tohave the fan itself >>>>>>>>> certified. Cheaping out is all it is.
-aIts bullshit to claim that that's all it is.
Ok, you enlighten us on *your* reasoning behind the wall wart
plague!
-aIts the sensible way to do things.
There's a wall wart plague here.
-aNope. The same number of plugged in devices regardless
of whether there are powered with a wall wart or not.
Damn near everything has a wall wart these days.
-aThe same number of plugged in devices regardless
of whether there are powered with a wall wart or not.
Your avoidance of the question noted!
No question was avoided, fuckwit.
I see Rod is back into Rod mode.
On 10-Dec-23 7:30 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 10/12/2023 7:14 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
-aMore fool you, and that's not what I meant.-aHuh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC >>>>>>>>>>> pedestal fan,Something to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by >>>>>>>>>>> the
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
-aI suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead >>>>>>>>>>> though,
which a fan could often be used with.
Wall Warts are a PITA.
-aDon't buy that.
Yeah, I don't buy anything with wall warts either if there's an >>>>>>>> alternative.
-aThere is no plague.The company buys in a heap of wall warts that are already Aus >>>>>>>>>> certified for 230V so they don't need tohave the fan itself >>>>>>>>>> certified. Cheaping out is all it is.
-aIts bullshit to claim that that's all it is.
Ok, you enlighten us on *your* reasoning behind the wall wart >>>>>>>> plague!
-aIts the sensible way to do things.
There's a wall wart plague here.
-aNope. The same number of plugged in devices regardless
of whether there are powered with a wall wart or not.
Damn near everything has a wall wart these days.
-aThe same number of plugged in devices regardless
of whether there are powered with a wall wart or not.
Your avoidance of the question noted!
No question was avoided, fuckwit.
I see Rod is back into Rod mode.
No, wait, he hasn't mentioned any flushing yet.
Sylvia.
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
More fool you, and that's not what I meant.Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal >>>>>>>>>> fan,Something to watch out for.
Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by >>>>>>>>>> the
meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead >>>>>>>>>> though,
which a fan could often be used with.
Wall Warts are a PITA.
Don't buy that.
Yeah, I don't buy anything with wall warts either if there's an >>>>>>> alternative.
There is no plague.The company buys in a heap of wall warts that are already Aus >>>>>>>>> certified for 230V so they don't need tohave the fan itself >>>>>>>>> certified. Cheaping out is all it is.
Its bullshit to claim that that's all it is.
Ok, you enlighten us on *your* reasoning behind the wall wart
plague!
Its the sensible way to do things.
There's a wall wart plague here.
Nope. The same number of plugged in devices regardless
of whether there are powered with a wall wart or not.
Damn near everything has a wall wart these days.
The same number of plugged in devices regardless
of whether there are powered with a wall wart or not.
Your avoidance of the question noted!
No question was avoided, fuckwit.
I see Rod is back into Rod mode.
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