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    From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to aus.computers on Tue Sep 8 13:45:13 2026
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    The original drafts of the Australian Constitution did not mention
    God; the phrase ohumbly relying on the blessing of Almighty Godo was
    later added to the preamble of the Commonwealth of Australia
    Constitution Act, not to the ConstitutionAs operative text.

    The original drafts of the Australian Constitution did not mention
    God; the phrase ohumbly relying on the blessing of Almighty Godo was
    later added to the preamble of the Commonwealth of Australia
    Constitution Act, not to the ConstitutionAs operative text.

    Sir John Downer Kings Council, stated, when the Australian
    Constitution was finally adopted and on behalf of future generations,
    aOur Australian Commonwealth from its first stage will be a Christian CommonwealthA.
    The word "Religion" only meant in his time dominations of Christianity

    The Feds are bared from stating what a religion is or is not only the
    States can state that
    The founding Christian culture and language (monarch under God,
    oAlmighty Godo clause, Christian legal heritage) are part of the
    original meaning.
    Modern judicial readings that treat oany religiono as if the framers
    had a completely open, post?1960s pluralist concept of religion are
    effectively rewriting the Constitution without a referendum.
    Any genuine shift from oassumed Christian commonwealtho to olegally
    secular multicultural commonwealtho should be done openly by
    referendum, not implicitly via case law.
    That is a coherent constitutional philosophy. ItAs just not the
    philosophy the High Court has actually followed. TheyAve kept the
    text, used the Christian heritage as background, and then let modern
    legal interpretation move well beyond the framersA social
    assumptionsuwithout going back to the people under s 128.

    The most famous example of this shift occurred in the 1983 Scientology
    Case (Church of the New Faith v Commissioner of Pay-roll Tax).
    In that ruling, the High Court abandoned the traditional, narrower
    definitions of religion and adopted a vastly broader, modern
    definition that included any belief system involving a supernatural
    being, thing, or principle, combined with a code of conduct.

    The Originalist/Constitutional View (My Argument): The Constitution
    belongs to the people. If the definition of a core concept like
    "religion" changes from an "assumed Christian culture" to a "secular multicultural framework," that change must be put to the Australian
    voters via a Section 128 Referendum.
    Allowing judges to expand definitions implicitly through case law is effectively bypassing the democratic process and rewriting the
    founding document by judicial decree.
    The "Living Force" View (The High Court's Path)
    : The High Court has generally treated the Constitution as a dynamic instrument designed to endure for centuries.
    Their legal philosophy argues that while the text remains fixed, the application of the words must adapt to the contemporary reality of the Australian population, otherwise the legal system would become
    unworkable in a modern world.
    By choosing the latter path, the High Court has progressively moved
    Australia's legal framework far away from the framers' social
    assumptions. To those who value the original rule of law, this shift
    looks less like natural progression and more like a quiet, unvoted constitutional overhaul.

    The Australia Act 1986: This landmark legislation completely severed AustraliaAs remaining constitutional ties to the UK parliament and
    abolished final legal appeals to the British Privy Council.
    Following this, legal experts and politicians argued that displaying
    British royal symbols in Australian courts was a constitutional
    anachronism.

    State Legislation (e.g., NSW State Arms Act 2004): States like New
    South Wales passed laws explicitly requiring the British Royal Arms to
    be stripped from courtrooms and parliaments and replaced with the NSW
    State Coat of Arms (or local state equivalents) to properly reflect
    local, independent sovereignty.
    Modern Separation of Powers
    In newer buildsusuch as the ACT Supreme Courtuchief justices have intentionally left the walls behind the bench blank.
    The stated reason was a desire to develop crests that represent the
    judicial arm of government as a completely separate branch, rather
    than sitting under an emblem tied to executive state power or
    historical city insignia.
    To the traditionalist, this looks like the erosion of the historic
    "thread of sovereignty." To the modern legalist, it is simply aligning
    the physical courtroom decor with the reality of contemporary
    Australian law.

    The Linguistic Correction: "Dieu et mon droit" translation correction
    is entirely historically and legally accurate, hitting on the precise
    nuance of Old Norman French versus modern translations.
    The motto on the British Royal Shield, "Dieu et mon droit", was the
    battle cry used by King Richard I (the Lionheart) at the Battle of
    Gisors in 1198.
    The Common Misconception: Modern popular culture and basic French
    translators frequently render it as a simple conjunction
    : "God and my right.
    "The Accurate Original Meaning: In the context of medieval divine
    right, it translates precisely to
    "God is my legal right" (or "God is my law/justification").
    The motto was used to assert that the King answered to no earthly
    authority, parliament, or rival monarchuhis sovereignty was granted
    directly by God, making his rule his absolute legal right.

    The Complete Picture
    The gradual disappearance of the original British royal shield from
    Australian courtrooms directly matches the broader theme I have been discussing: the quiet, steady dismantling of AustraliaAs original
    founding architecture.
    When the British coat of arms is taken down, the phrase asserting a
    monarch's divine right under God ("Dieu et mon droit") vanishes with
    it. It is replaced either by native fauna (the kangaroo and emu on the Commonwealth arms) or by contemporary, minimalist design.

    Yes, the Royal Coat of Arms is still actively used and prominently
    displayed in the vast majority of courtrooms across the United Kingdom



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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to aus.computers on Tue Sep 8 17:03:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    The original drafts of the Australian Constitution did not mention
    God; the phrase rCLhumbly relying on the blessing of Almighty GodrCY was later added to the preamble of the Commonwealth of Australia
    Constitution Act, not to the ConstitutionrCOs operative text.
    Sir John Downer Kings Council, stated, when the Australian
    Constitution was finally adopted and on behalf of future generations,
    rCyOur Australian Commonwealth from its first stage will be a Christian CommonwealthrCO.
    And S116 says the exact opposite, so what that stupid god
    botherer who got rolled on that is completely irrelevant
    The word "Religion" only meant in his time dominations of ChristianityComplete and utter bullshit and ignorant lie
    The Feds are bared from stating what a religion is
    That's what S116 says VERY clearly
    or is not only the States can state that
    They can't either most obviously with the law on tax exemptions
    The founding Christian culture
    There was no such animal
    and language (monarch under God, rCLAlmighty GodrCY clause,
    There is no such clause
    Christian legal heritage)
    No such animal
    are part of the original meaning.
    BULLSHIT
    Modern judicial readings that treat rCLany religionrCY as if the framers
    had a completely open, post?1960s pluralist concept of religion are effectively rewriting the Constitution without a referendum.
    Nothing has been rewritten given S116
    Any genuine shift from rCLassumed Christian commonwealthrCYNothing is assumed to rCLlegally secular multicultural commonwealthrCY
    Nothing has changed on that
    should be done openly by referendum, not implicitly via case law.
    Nothing has changed by case law given S116
    That is a coherent constitutional philosophy.
    Bullshit given S116
    ItrCOs just not the philosophy the High Court has actually followed.
    Bullshit given S116
    TheyrCOve kept the text,
    They have observed S116
    used the Christian heritage as background,
    Bullshit they have
    and then let modern
    legal interpretation move well beyond the framersrCO social
    assumptionsrCo
    More complete and utter mindless bullshit given S116
    without going back to the people under s 128.
    No need for that given S116
    The most famous example of this shift
    There never was any shift
    occurred in the 1983 Scientology
    Case (Church of the New Faith v Commissioner of Pay-roll Tax).
    In that ruling, the High Court abandoned the traditional, narrower definitions of religion
    There never was anything like that given
    that always applied to plenty of other
    religions, most obvously with judaism
    and adopted a vastly broader, modern
    definition that included any belief system involving a supernatural
    being, thing, or principle, combined with a code of conduct.
    That's wrong too
    The Originalist/Constitutional View (My Argument): The Constitution
    belongs to the people.
    Irrelevant to what the constitution spells out
    If the definition of a core concept like "religion" changes
    That never happened
    from an "assumed Christian culture"
    That was never the case
    to a "secular multicultural framework,"
    That never happened either
    that change must be put to the Australian
    voters via a Section 128 Referendum.
    Wrong, as always, given S116
    Allowing judges to expand definitions implicitly through case law
    That never happened
    is effectively bypassing the democratic process
    More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit
    and rewriting the founding document
    That never happened
    by judicial decree.
    More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit
    The "Living Force" View (The High Court's Path)
    More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit
    The High Court has generally treated the Constitution as a dynamic > instrument designed to endure for centuries.
    That's bullshit too given S128
    Their legal philosophy argues that while the text remains fixed, the application of the words must adapt to the contemporary reality of the> Australian population, otherwise the legal system would become
    unworkable in a modern world.
    More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit
    By choosing the latter path, the High Court has progressively moved Australia's legal framework far away from the framers' social
    assumptions.
    More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit
    To those who value the original rule of law,
    Which has always included S116
    this shift
    There is no such shift
    looks less like natural progression and more like a quiet, unvoted constitutional overhaul.
    More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit
    The Australia Act 1986: This landmark legislation completely severed AustraliarCOs remaining constitutional ties to the UK parliament and abolished final legal appeals to the British Privy Council.
    Following this, legal experts and politicians argued that displaying
    British royal symbols in Australian courts was a constitutional
    anachronism.
    Corse it is
    State Legislation (e.g., NSW State Arms Act 2004): States like New
    South Wales passed laws explicitly requiring the British Royal Arms to> be stripped from courtrooms and parliaments and replaced with the NSW
    State Coat of Arms (or local state equivalents) to properly reflect
    local, independent sovereignty.
    Modern Separation of Powers
    In newer buildsrCosuch as the ACT Supreme CourtrCochief justices have intentionally left the walls behind the bench blank.
    The stated reason was a desire to develop crests that represent the
    judicial arm of government as a completely separate branch, rather
    than sitting under an emblem tied to executive state power or
    historical city insignia.
    To the traditionalist, this looks like the erosion of the historic
    "thread of sovereignty."
    More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit
    To the modern legalist, it is simply aligning
    the physical courtroom decor with the reality of contemporary
    Australian law.
    Corse it is
    The Linguistic Correction: "Dieu et mon droit" translation correction
    is entirely historically and legally accurate, hitting on the precise
    nuance of Old Norman French versus modern translations.
    The motto on the British Royal Shield, "Dieu et mon droit", was the
    battle cry used by King Richard I (the Lionheart) at the Battle of
    Gisors in 1198.
    The Common Misconception: Modern popular culture and basic French
    translators frequently render it as a simple conjunction
    : "God and my right.
    "The Accurate Original Meaning: In the context of medieval divine
    right, it translates precisely to
    "God is my legal right" (or "God is my law/justification").
    More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit
    The motto was used to assert that the King answered to no earthly
    authority, parliament, or rival monarchrCohis sovereignty was granted directly by God, making his rule his absolute legal right.
    And we tossed that shit in the bin LONG ago
    The Complete Picture
    The gradual disappearance of the original British royal shield from Australian courtrooms directly matches the broader theme I have been discussing: the quiet, steady dismantling of AustraliarCOs original
    founding architecture.
    No such thing has happened
    When the British coat of arms is taken down, the phrase asserting a
    monarch's divine right under God ("Dieu et mon droit") vanishes with
    it. It is replaced either by native fauna (the kangaroo and emu on the> Commonwealth arms) or by contemporary, minimalist design.
    Yes, the Royal Coat of Arms is still actively used and prominently
    displayed in the vast majority of courtrooms across the United KingdomIrrelevant to what happens here and that stupid line doesn't even apply there either
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  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to aus.computers on Tue Sep 8 20:37:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Tue, 08 Sep 2026 17:03:28 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    -- <https://www.perplexity.ai/search/rod-speed-usenet-troll-iBra.u6iSuy..0dwUJuvhQ#0>
    https://tinyurl.com/z5hh3shh
    Rod Speed is known in Usenet communities as a notorious
    argumentative figure often labeled a troll.

    So says Rod speed a egotistical self appointed know-all who knows nothing
    Rod has been on newgroups since the 80's and still the same

    Rod Speed a annoying Australian can type faster than you can talk
    Best to ignore or he will continue to bait you
    Rod speed a egotistical self appointed know-all who knows nothing
    Rod has been on newgroups since the 80's and still the same

    When he starts short vulgar bursts just stop replying--

    If you want to practice talking to his idiot responses Australia has a
    bot to practice with or he white ants you overtime you post!
    "The Rod Speed Bot"
    https://www.sensationbot.com/jschat.php?db=rodspeed

    ROD SPEED A SELF APPOINTED EGOTISTICAL KNOW-ALL WHO KNOWS NOTHING
    JUST FULL OF
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    IT DOESN'T MATTER IF ROD SPEED'S HEART IS IN THE RIGHT PLACE,
    HIS HEAD IS UP HIS OWN ARSE, ALWAYS FARTING EYLASHES!
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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to aus.computers on Wed Sep 9 05:37:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote just the
    usual shit it always ends up with when its got
    done like a fucking dinner, as it always is
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  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to aus.computers on Wed Sep 9 06:06:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Wed, 09 Sep 2026 05:37:05 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote just the
    usual shit it always ends up with when its got
    done like a fucking dinner, as it always is

    What a good idea One Nation is doing in kicking known malcontents out
    of press conferences for "spin," "lies," "rubbish," or decency failing
    to ever report the truth.
    --
    Petzl
    It's hard to win an argument with a smart person but it's damn near impossible to win
    an argument with a stupid person

    When you're dead, you don't know you're dead.
    The pain is felt by others.

    The same thing happens when you're stupid
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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to aus.computers on Wed Sep 9 08:10:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

    What a good idea One Nation is doing in kicking known malcontents out
    of press conferences for "spin," "lies," "rubbish," or decency failing
    to ever report the truth.

    You wouldn't know what the truth was if it bit
    you on your drug crazed drunken lard arse

    Yes, journos shouldn't be getting stuck in to
    who ever is doing the press conference, they
    should just be REPORTING what those doing
    the press conference are presenting
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  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to aus.computers on Wed Sep 9 09:25:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Wed, 09 Sep 2026 08:10:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

    What a good idea One Nation is doing in kicking known malcontents out
    of press conferences for "spin," "lies," "rubbish," or decency failing
    to ever report the truth.

    You wouldn't know what the truth was if it bit
    you on your drug crazed drunken lard arse

    Yes, journos shouldn't be getting stuck in to
    who ever is doing the press conference, they
    should just be REPORTING what those doing
    the press conference are presenting

    See not hard to show some reasoning
    --
    Petzl
    It's hard to win an argument with a smart person but it's damn near impossible to win
    an argument with a stupid person

    When you're dead, you don't know you're dead.
    The pain is felt by others.

    The same thing happens when you're stupid
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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to aus.computers on Wed Sep 9 11:53:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

    What a good idea One Nation is doing in kicking known malcontents out
    of press conferences for "spin," "lies," "rubbish," or decency failing
    to ever report the truth.

    You wouldn't know what the truth was if it bit
    you on your drug crazed drunken lard arse

    Yes, journos shouldn't be getting stuck in to
    who ever is doing the press conference, they
    should just be REPORTING what those doing
    the press conference are presenting

    See not hard to show some reasoning

    Something you can never manage with that steaming
    turd you dropped about the constitution
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    On Tue, 08 Sep 2026 17:03:28 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Petzl<petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    -- <https://www.perplexity.ai/search/rod-speed-usenet-troll-iBra.u6iSuy..0dwUJuvhQ#0>
    https://tinyurl.com/z5hh3shh Rod Speed is known in Usenet communities
    as a notorious argumentative figure often labeled a troll. So says Rod
    speed a egotistical self appointed know-all who knows nothing Rod has
    been on newgroups since the 80's and still the same Rod Speed a
    annoying Australian can type faster than you can talk Best to ignore
    or he will continue to bait you Rod speed a egotistical self appointed know-all who knows nothing Rod has been on newgroups since the 80's
    and still the same When he starts short vulgar bursts just stop
    replying-- If you want to practice talking to his idiot responses
    Australia has a bot to practice with or he white ants you overtime you
    post! "The Rod Speed Bot" https://www.sensationbot.com/jschat.php?db=rodspeed

    LOL. AI knows about Rod
    --
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    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On Tue, 08 Sep 2026 17:03:28 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com&gt;</a> wrote:

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    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap=""><div class="moz-txt-sig">--
    <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://www.perplexity.ai/search/rod-speed-usenet-troll-iBra.u6iSuy..0dwUJuvhQ#0" moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;https://www.perplexity.ai/search/rod-speed-usenet-troll-iBra.u6iSuy..0dwUJuvhQ#0&gt;</a>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://tinyurl.com/z5hh3shh" moz-do-not-send="true">https://tinyurl.com/z5hh3shh</a>
    Rod Speed is known in Usenet communities as a notorious
    argumentative figure often labeled a troll.

    So says Rod speed a egotistical self appointed know-all who knows nothing
    Rod has been on newgroups since the 80's and still the same

    Rod Speed a annoying Australian can type faster than you can talk
    Best to ignore or he will continue to bait you
    Rod speed a egotistical self appointed know-all who knows nothing
    Rod has been on newgroups since the 80's and still the same

    When he starts short vulgar bursts just stop replying--

    If you want to practice talking to his idiot responses Australia has a
    bot to practice with or he white ants you overtime you post!
    "The Rod Speed Bot"
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.sensationbot.com/jschat.php?db=rodspeed" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.sensationbot.com/jschat.php?db=rodspeed</a>

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    </div>
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    <br>
    LOL. AI knows about Rod<br>
    <br>
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  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to aus.computers on Wed Sep 9 13:37:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Wed, 09 Sep 2026 11:53:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

    What a good idea One Nation is doing in kicking known malcontents out
    of press conferences for "spin," "lies," "rubbish," or decency failing >>>> to ever report the truth.

    You wouldn't know what the truth was if it bit
    you on your drug crazed drunken lard arse

    Yes, journos shouldn't be getting stuck in to
    who ever is doing the press conference, they
    should just be REPORTING what those doing
    the press conference are presenting

    See not hard to show some reasoning

    Something you can never manage with that steaming
    turd you dropped about the constitution

    I didn't write it I copy and pasted a Judges version of what's happen
    there,
    you think your opinion is worth something?
    --
    Petzl
    It's hard to win an argument with a smart person but it's damn near impossible to win
    an argument with a stupid person

    When you're dead, you don't know you're dead.
    The pain is felt by others.

    The same thing happens when you're stupid
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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to aus.computers on Wed Sep 9 15:51:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

    See not hard to show some reasoning

    Something you can never manage with that steaming
    turd you dropped about the constitution

    I didn't write it I copy and pasted a Judges version of what's happen
    there,

    I don't believe you, its entirely the steaming turd
    you have dropped countless times before

    And that's what grok says too https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_128a3e35-caaa-4f22-88a9-347c7e909777
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  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to aus.computers on Wed Sep 9 19:35:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Wed, 09 Sep 2026 11:53:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

    What a good idea One Nation is doing in kicking known malcontents out
    of press conferences for "spin," "lies," "rubbish," or decency failing >>>> to ever report the truth.

    You wouldn't know what the truth was if it bit
    you on your drug crazed drunken lard arse

    Yes, journos shouldn't be getting stuck in to
    who ever is doing the press conference, they
    should just be REPORTING what those doing
    the press conference are presenting

    See not hard to show some reasoning

    Something you can never manage with that steaming
    turd you dropped about the constitution
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  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to aus.computers on Wed Sep 9 20:22:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Wed, 09 Sep 2026 15:51:06 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    I don't believe you, its entirely the steaming turd
    you have dropped countless times before

    And that's what grok says too >https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_128a3e35-caaa-4f22-88a9-347c7e909777

    I had GROK do it's version

    The original drafts of the Australian Constitution contained no
    reference to God. The words ohumbly relying on the blessing of
    Almighty Godo were inserted into the preamble of the Commonwealth of
    Australia Constitution Act 1900 after deliberate debate and petition
    at the Federal Conventions. That insertion formed part of the
    constitutional compact as finally adopted.
    Sir John Downer KC, speaking at the moment of adoption and expressly
    for future generations, declared that oOur Australian Commonwealth
    from its first stage will be a Christian Commonwealth.o In the
    vocabulary of the framers the word oreligiono referred only to the
    several denominations of Christianity. That was the sole meaning the
    term carried in the constitutional text they enacted. The Christian
    character of the new polityuexpressed in the monarchical oath under
    God, the Almighty God clause of the covering Act, and the received
    common-law heritageuwas therefore an assumed and operative premise of
    the Constitution as they understood and adopted it.
    Section 116 of the Constitution denies the Commonwealth any power to
    change the meaning of religion. The section provides that the
    Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion,
    imposing any religious observance, or prohibiting the free exercise of
    any religion, and that no religious test shall be required for office
    under the Commonwealth. In the understanding of the framers the word
    oreligiono referred only to the Christian denominations. Section 116
    therefore locks that meaning against Commonwealth alteration. The
    definition and regulation of religion, beyond the specific
    prohibitions in section 116, is the domain of the States. Any attempt
    by the Commonwealthuwhether by legislation or by judicial
    redefinitionuto expand oreligiono beyond the Christian denominations
    known to the framers is contrary to the original text and requires the authority of the people under section 128.
    Because the founding Christian culture and language formed part of the
    original meaning, any judicial reading that treats oany religiono as
    an open, pluralist category unknown to the framers rewrites the
    Constitution without authority.
    A genuine change from the Christian commonwealth the framers
    established to a secular multicultural framework can be made only by
    the people themselves under section 128. It cannot be effected by case
    law.
    That is the coherent originalist position.
    It is not the course the High Court has taken.
    The Court has retained the text, treated the Christian heritage as
    mere background, and then permitted modern interpretation to move far
    beyond the framersA understandinguwithout returning to the electors
    under section 128.
    The clearest illustration is the 1983 Scientology case (Church of the
    New Faith v Commissioner of Pay-roll Tax).
    There the High Court discarded the traditional meaning of
    religionulimited to the Christian denominations known to the
    framersuand substituted a broad modern definition covering any belief
    system that involves a supernatural being, thing or principle together
    with a code of conduct.
    That expansion altered a core constitutional concept by judicial
    decree rather than by referendum.
    The originalist view is straightforward.
    The Constitution belongs to the people.
    When the meaning of a foundational term such as oreligiono is shifted
    from the Christian denominations the framers knew to a secular
    multicultural category they never contemplated, the change must be put
    to the Australian voters under section 128.
    Judicial redefinition bypasses the democratic process and amends the
    founding document without the peopleAs consent.
    The alternative approach treated by the High Court as a olivingo
    instrument allows the application of the words to evolve with
    contemporary social conditions.
    That path has carried Australian law a long distance from the framersA assumptions.
    To those who hold that the original meaning governs until the people
    alter it, the result is a quiet constitutional change effected without
    a vote.
    The same pattern appears in the treatment of symbols.
    The Australia Act 1986 severed the remaining legislative and appellate
    links with the United Kingdom.
    Thereafter the continued display of the British Royal Arms in
    Australian courts was characterised as an anachronism.
    State legislation followed.
    The New South Wales State Arms, Symbols and Emblems Act 2004 required
    the British Royal Arms to be removed from courtrooms and parliamentary buildings and replaced with the State Arms so as to reflect
    independent sovereignty.
    In newer buildings such as the ACT Supreme Court the walls behind the
    bench have been left deliberately blank, the stated purpose being to
    mark the judiciary as a separate branch of government rather than one
    sitting under an historic emblem.
    To the originalist these changes form part of the steady dismantling
    of the founding architecture.
    When the British coat of arms is taken down, the motto oDieu et mon
    droito disappears with it.
    That motto, the battle cry of Richard I at Gisors in 1198, asserted in
    its proper medieval sense that the KingAs right was derived from
    GoduoGod is my legal rightouand that he answered to no earthly
    authority.
    Its removal, and the substitution of native fauna or blank walls,
    severs a visible thread of the sovereignty the framers inherited and
    assumed.
    (By contrast, the Royal Coat of Arms remains in regular use in the
    great majority of courtrooms throughout the United Kingdom.)
    In short, the word oreligiono in the Constitution as originally
    understood referred only to the Christian denominations.
    Section 116 denies the Commonwealth power to alter that meaning; the
    domain remains with the States.
    Any wider meaning requires the authority of the people expressed in a
    section 128 referendum.
    That is the presentation required by the original text and by the
    legal advice that the change, if it is to be made, must be made by the
    electors themselves.

    https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMw_e5ecc77c-554c-4e25-a335-361d4aee3ade
    Bottom line
    The document correctly identifies the Christian cultural and legal
    matrix in which the Constitution was framed, the deliberate insertion
    of the Almighty God clause, DownerAs contemporaneous characterisation,
    and the High CourtAs later expansive approach to oreligion.o It then
    draws the strong originalist conclusion that any move beyond the
    framersA Christian denominational understanding of oreligion,o or any
    analogous change in constitutional symbolism, requires s 128 approval
    and cannot validly be effected by judicial or ordinary legislative
    action.
    That is a coherent position within originalist theory.
    It is not the position the High Court has adopted, nor the
    understanding that has governed Australian public law and practice for
    decades.
    The gap between the two is precisely the ongoing debate over whether
    the Constitution is to be read according to its original public
    meaning until the people change it, or whether its application may
    evolve with changed social conditions without formal amendment.
    --
    Petzl
    It's hard to win an argument with a smart person but it's damn near impossible to win
    an argument with a stupid person

    When you're dead, you don't know you're dead.
    The pain is felt by others.

    The same thing happens when you're stupid
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to aus.computers on Thu Sep 10 04:56:01 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    I don't believe you, its entirely the steaming turd
    you have dropped countless times before
    And that's what grok says too
    https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_128a3e35-caaa-4f22-88a9-347c7e909777
    I had GROK do it's version
    You need to show us the question you asked it and
    you need to show the response the same way I do
    so we can see that grok actually said it and that
    you didn't make it up
    The original drafts of the Australian Constitution contained no
    reference to God. The words rCLhumbly relying on the blessing of> Almighty GodrCY were inserted into the preamble of the Commonwealth of
    Australia Constitution Act 1900 after deliberate debate and petition
    at the Federal Conventions. That insertion formed part of the
    constitutional compact as finally adopted.
    That doesn't say that it overrides S116 as you stupidly do
    Sir John Downer KC, speaking at the moment of adoption and expressly
    for future generations, declared that rCLOur Australian Commonwealth
    from its first stage will be a Christian Commonwealth.rCY In the> vocabulary of the framers the word rCLreligionrCY referred only to the
    several denominations of Christianity.
    Grok never said that
    That was the sole meaning the
    term carried in the constitutional text they enacted. The Christian
    character of the new polityrCoexpressed in the monarchical oath under
    God, the Almighty God clause of the covering Act, and the received
    common-law heritagerCowas therefore an assumed and operative premise of
    the Constitution as they understood and adopted it.
    Section 116 of the Constitution denies the Commonwealth any power to
    change the meaning of religion. The section provides that the
    Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion,
    imposing any religious observance, or prohibiting the free exercise of> any religion, and that no religious test shall be required for office
    under the Commonwealth. In the understanding of the framers the word rCLreligionrCY referred only to the Christian denominations. Section 116 therefore locks that meaning against Commonwealth alteration. The
    definition and regulation of religion, beyond the specific
    prohibitions in section 116, is the domain of the States. Any attempt
    by the CommonwealthrCowhether by legislation or by judicial
    redefinitionrCoto expand rCLreligionrCY beyond the Christian denominations known to the framers is contrary to the original text and requires the> authority of the people under section 128.
    Grok never said that either
    <reams of your fabrication flushed where it belongs>
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to aus.computers on Thu Sep 10 05:50:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

    I don't believe you, its entirely the steaming turd
    you have dropped countless times before

    And that's what grok says too
    https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_128a3e35-caaa-4f22-88a9-347c7e909777

    I had GROK do it's version

    You are a pathological liar https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_454364f6-b392-4f47-b825-480f9fef556b
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to aus.computers,aus.politics on Thu Sep 10 07:13:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    I don't believe you, its entirely the steaming turd
    you have dropped countless times before
    And that's what grok says too
    https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_128a3e35-caaa-4f22-88a9-347c7e909777
    I had GROK do it's version
    Grok never said that, you pathological liar https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_454364f6-b392-4f47-b825-480f9fef556b
    The original drafts of the Australian Constitution contained no
    reference to God. The words rCLhumbly relying on the blessing of> Almighty GodrCY were inserted into the preamble of the Commonwealth of
    Australia Constitution Act 1900 after deliberate debate and petition
    at the Federal Conventions. That insertion formed part of the
    constitutional compact as finally adopted.
    Sir John Downer KC, speaking at the moment of adoption and expressly
    for future generations, declared that rCLOur Australian Commonwealth
    from its first stage will be a Christian Commonwealth.rCY In the> vocabulary of the framers the word rCLreligionrCY referred only to the
    several denominations of Christianity. That was the sole meaning the
    term carried in the constitutional text they enacted. The Christian
    character of the new polityrCoexpressed in the monarchical oath under
    God, the Almighty God clause of the covering Act, and the received
    common-law heritagerCowas therefore an assumed and operative premise of
    the Constitution as they understood and adopted it.
    Section 116 of the Constitution denies the Commonwealth any power to
    change the meaning of religion. The section provides that the
    Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion,
    imposing any religious observance, or prohibiting the free exercise of> any religion, and that no religious test shall be required for office
    under the Commonwealth. In the understanding of the framers the word rCLreligionrCY referred only to the Christian denominations. Section 116 therefore locks that meaning against Commonwealth alteration. The
    definition and regulation of religion, beyond the specific
    prohibitions in section 116, is the domain of the States. Any attempt
    by the CommonwealthrCowhether by legislation or by judicial
    redefinitionrCoto expand rCLreligionrCY beyond the Christian denominations known to the framers is contrary to the original text and requires the> authority of the people under section 128.
    Because the founding Christian culture and language formed part of the> original meaning, any judicial reading that treats rCLany religionrCY as
    an open, pluralist category unknown to the framers rewrites the
    Constitution without authority.
    A genuine change from the Christian commonwealth the framers
    established to a secular multicultural framework can be made only by
    the people themselves under section 128. It cannot be effected by case> law. That is the coherent originalist position.
    It is not the course the High Court has taken.
    The Court has retained the text, treated the Christian heritage as
    mere background, and then permitted modern interpretation to move far
    beyond the framersrCO understandingrCowithout returning to the electors
    under section 128.
    The clearest illustration is the 1983 Scientology case (Church of the
    New Faith v Commissioner of Pay-roll Tax).
    There the High Court discarded the traditional meaning of
    religionrColimited to the Christian denominations known to the
    framersrCoand substituted a broad modern definition covering any belief system that involves a supernatural being, thing or principle together> with a code of conduct.
    That expansion altered a core constitutional concept by judicial
    decree rather than by referendum.
    The originalist view is straightforward.
    The Constitution belongs to the people.
    When the meaning of a foundational term such as rCLreligionrCY is shifted from the Christian denominations the framers knew to a secular
    multicultural category they never contemplated, the change must be put> to the Australian voters under section 128.
    Judicial redefinition bypasses the democratic process and amends the
    founding document without the peoplerCOs consent.
    The alternative approach treated by the High Court as a rCLlivingrCY instrument allows the application of the words to evolve with
    contemporary social conditions.
    That path has carried Australian law a long distance from the framersrCO assumptions.
    To those who hold that the original meaning governs until the people
    alter it, the result is a quiet constitutional change effected without> a vote.
    The same pattern appears in the treatment of symbols.
    The Australia Act 1986 severed the remaining legislative and appellate> links with the United Kingdom.
    Thereafter the continued display of the British Royal Arms in
    Australian courts was characterised as an anachronism.
    State legislation followed.
    The New South Wales State Arms, Symbols and Emblems Act 2004 required
    the British Royal Arms to be removed from courtrooms and parliamentary> buildings and replaced with the State Arms so as to reflect
    independent sovereignty.
    In newer buildings such as the ACT Supreme Court the walls behind the
    bench have been left deliberately blank, the stated purpose being to
    mark the judiciary as a separate branch of government rather than one
    sitting under an historic emblem.
    To the originalist these changes form part of the steady dismantling
    of the founding architecture.
    When the British coat of arms is taken down, the motto rCLDieu et mon droitrCY disappears with it.
    That motto, the battle cry of Richard I at Gisors in 1198, asserted in> its proper medieval sense that the KingrCOs right was derived from
    GodrCorCLGod is my legal rightrCYrCoand that he answered to no earthly authority.
    Its removal, and the substitution of native fauna or blank walls,
    severs a visible thread of the sovereignty the framers inherited and
    assumed.
    (By contrast, the Royal Coat of Arms remains in regular use in the
    great majority of courtrooms throughout the United Kingdom.)
    In short, the word rCLreligionrCY in the Constitution as originally understood referred only to the Christian denominations.
    Section 116 denies the Commonwealth power to alter that meaning; the
    domain remains with the States.
    Any wider meaning requires the authority of the people expressed in a
    section 128 referendum.
    That is the presentation required by the original text and by the
    legal advice that the change, if it is to be made, must be made by the> electors themselves.

    https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMw_e5ecc77c-554c-4e25-a335-361d4aee3ade> Bottom line
    The document correctly identifies the Christian cultural and legal
    matrix in which the Constitution was framed, the deliberate insertion
    of the Almighty God clause, DownerrCOs contemporaneous characterisation,
    and the High CourtrCOs later expansive approach to rCLreligion.rCY It then draws the strong originalist conclusion that any move beyond the
    framersrCO Christian denominational understanding of rCLreligion,rCY or any analogous change in constitutional symbolism, requires s 128 approval
    and cannot validly be effected by judicial or ordinary legislative
    action.
    That is a coherent position within originalist theory.
    It is not the position the High Court has adopted, nor the
    understanding that has governed Australian public law and practice for> decades.
    The gap between the two is precisely the ongoing debate over whether
    the Constitution is to be read according to its original public
    meaning until the people change it, or whether its application may
    evolve with changed social conditions without formal amendment.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to aus.computers on Thu Sep 10 08:23:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 04:56:01 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

    I don't believe you, its entirely the steaming turd
    you have dropped countless times before

    And that's what grok says too
    https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_128a3e35-caaa-4f22-88a9-347c7e909777

    I had GROK do it's version

    You need to show us the question you asked it and
    you need to show the response the same way I do
    so we can see that grok actually said it and that
    you didn't make it up

    I showed the link you snipped it out <https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMw_e5ecc77c-554c-4e25-a335-361d4aee3ade>

    In Australia according to my legal advice from a professor at law and
    Kings Council, is the constitution has to be interpreted by what it
    meant to those that voted for it in 1900.
    In other words a originalist version which is what I asked for
    And which GROK gleefully did.
    Showing how the high Court ignored S116 which bans the feds
    determining what a religion is,

    Section 116 of the Constitution denies the Commonwealth any power to
    change the meaning of religion.
    Section 116 therefore locks that meaning against Commonwealth
    alteration.

    The definition and regulation of religion, beyond the specific
    prohibitions in section 116, is the domain of the States.
    Any attempt by the Commonwealthuwhether by legislation or by judicial redefinitionuto expand oreligiono beyond the Christian denominations
    known to the framers is contrary to the original text and requires the authority of the people under section 128.
    That is the coherent originalist position.

    It is not the course the High Court has taken.
    The Court has retained the text, treated the Christian heritage as
    mere background, and then permitted modern interpretation to move far
    beyond the framersA understandinguwithout returning to the electors
    under section 128 (requiring a referendum).

    "Sir John Downer KC, speaking at the moment of adoption and expressly
    for future generations, declared that oOur Australian Commonwealth
    from its first stage will be a Christian Commonwealth.o In the
    vocabulary of the framers the word oreligiono referred only to the
    several denominations of Christianity.

    The same pattern appears in the treatment of symbols.

    The Australia Act 1986 severed the remaining legislative and appellate
    links with the United Kingdom.

    To the originalist these changes form part of the steady dismantling
    of the founding architecture.

    When the British coat of arms is taken down, the motto oDieu et mon
    droito disappears with it.

    That motto, the battle cry of Richard I at Gisors in 1198, asserted in
    its proper medieval sense that the KingAs right was derived from
    GoduoGod is my legal rightouand that he answered to no earthly
    authority.
    Its removal, and the substitution of native fauna or blank walls,
    severs a visible thread of the sovereignty the framers inherited and
    assumed.
    (By contrast, the Royal Coat of Arms remains in regular use in the
    great majority of courtrooms throughout the United Kingdom.)
    In short, the word oreligiono in the Constitution as originally
    understood referred only to the Christian denominations.
    Section 116 denies the Commonwealth power to alter that meaning; the
    domain remains with the States.
    Any wider meaning requires the authority of the people expressed in a
    section 128 referendum.
    That is the presentation required by the original text and by the
    legal advice that the change, if it is to be made, must be made by the
    electors themselves.
    ********************
    Back to me not GROK
    The Shield showing the Royal Coat of Arms in a Court, behind the Magistrate/Judge, show the Court has the authority given by our
    King and head of state to administer judgments.
    The KingAs right was derived from GoduoGod is my legal rightouand that
    he answered to no earthly authority.
    --
    Petzl
    It's hard to win an argument with a smart person but it's damn near impossible to win
    an argument with a stupid person

    When you're dead, you don't know you're dead.
    The pain is felt by others.

    The same thing happens when you're stupid
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to aus.computers,aus.politics on Thu Sep 10 08:58:01 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

    I don't believe you, its entirely the steaming turd
    you have dropped countless times before

    And that's what grok says too
    https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_128a3e35-caaa-4f22-88a9-347c7e909777

    I had GROK do it's version

    You need to show us the question you asked it and
    you need to show the response the same way I do
    so we can see that grok actually said it and that
    you didn't make it up

    I showed the link you snipped it out

    More of your pathological lies

    <https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMw_e5ecc77c-554c-4e25-a335-361d4aee3ade>

    That's not what you claimed grok said, you pathological liar

    What you previously claimed grok said was actually what you
    ASKED grok, not what grok told you, you pathologial liar

    And grok pissed on your stupid claim about what was meant
    by religion at that time, rubbing your stupid claim in the FACT
    that the discussion about what should be in the constitution
    explicitly mentioned jews and 'mahomens'

    And pissed on your stupid claim that there has been any
    change to the constitution that requires a S128 referendum

    And pisses on your stupid claim that
    the preamble has ANY effect on S116

    In Australia according to my legal advice from a professor at law

    Who you never named, so you are clearly lying again, you pathological liar

    <reams of YOUR stupid repeated shit flushed where it belongs>
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to aus.computers on Thu Sep 10 09:37:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

    I don't believe you, its entirely the steaming turd
    you have dropped countless times before

    And that's what grok says too
    https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_128a3e35-caaa-4f22-88a9-347c7e909777

    I had GROK do it's version


    I showed the link you snipped it out

    Everyone can see for themselves that
    there is no link in the original, you
    pathetic excuse for a pathological liar
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to aus.computers on Thu Sep 10 10:53:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 09:37:58 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

    I don't believe you, its entirely the steaming turd
    you have dropped countless times before

    And that's what grok says too
    https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_128a3e35-caaa-4f22-88a9-347c7e909777

    I had GROK do it's version


    I showed the link you snipped it out

    Everyone can see for themselves that
    there is no link in the original, you
    pathetic excuse for a pathological liar

    Then why you cut it out again? <https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMw_e5ecc77c-554c-4e25-a335-361d4aee3ade>
    -- <https://www.perplexity.ai/search/rod-speed-usenet-troll-iBra.u6iSuy..0dwUJuvhQ#0>
    https://tinyurl.com/z5hh3shh
    Rod Speed is known in Usenet communities as a notorious
    argumentative figure often labeled a troll.

    So says Rod speed a egotistical self appointed know-all who knows nothing
    Rod has been on newgroups since the 80's and still the same

    Rod Speed a annoying Australian can type faster than you can talk
    Best to ignore or he will continue to bait you
    Rod speed a egotistical self appointed know-all who knows nothing
    Rod has been on newgroups since the 80's and still the same

    When he starts short vulgar bursts just stop replying--

    If you want to practice talking to his idiot responses Australia has a
    bot to practice with or he white ants you overtime you post!
    "The Rod Speed Bot"
    https://www.sensationbot.com/jschat.php?db=rodspeed

    ROD SPEED A SELF APPOINTED EGOTISTICAL KNOW-ALL WHO KNOWS NOTHING
    JUST FULL OF
    R
    O
    D

    S
    P
    E
    E
    D

    B
    U
    L
    L
    S
    H
    I
    T
    DON'T STEP IN IT!

    IT DOESN'T MATTER IF ROD SPEED'S HEART IS IN THE RIGHT PLACE,
    HIS HEAD IS UP HIS OWN ARSE, ALWAYS FARTING EYLASHES!
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to aus.computers,aus.politics on Thu Sep 10 11:09:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 08:58:01 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

    I don't believe you, its entirely the steaming turd
    you have dropped countless times before

    And that's what grok says too
    https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_128a3e35-caaa-4f22-88a9-347c7e909777

    I had GROK do it's version

    You need to show us the question you asked it and
    you need to show the response the same way I do
    so we can see that grok actually said it and that
    you didn't make it up

    I showed the link you snipped it out

    More of your pathological lies

    <https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMw_e5ecc77c-554c-4e25-a335-361d4aee3ade>

    That's not what you claimed grok said, you pathological liar

    What you previously claimed grok said was actually what you
    ASKED grok, not what grok told you, you pathologial liar

    And grok pissed on your stupid claim about what was meant
    by religion at that time, rubbing your stupid claim in the FACT
    that the discussion about what should be in the constitution
    explicitly mentioned jews and 'mahomens'

    And pissed on your stupid claim that there has been any
    change to the constitution that requires a S128 referendum

    And pisses on your stupid claim that
    the preamble has ANY effect on S116

    In Australia according to my legal advice from a professor at law

    Who you never named, so you are clearly lying again, you pathological liar

    <reams of YOUR stupid repeated shit flushed where it belongs>

    I just posted Groks conclusion which you would of seen if you scrolled
    down to..
    here
    Bottom line
    The document correctly identifies the Christian cultural and legal
    matrix in which the Constitution was framed, the deliberate insertion
    of the Almighty God clause, DownerAs contemporaneous characterisation,
    and the High CourtAs later expansive approach to oreligion.o It then
    draws the strong originalist conclusion that any move beyond the
    framersA Christian denominational understanding of oreligion,o or any
    analogous change in constitutional symbolism, requires s 128 approval
    and cannot validly be effected by judicial or ordinary legislative
    action. That is a coherent position within originalist theory. It is
    not the position the High Court has adopted, nor the understanding
    that has governed Australian public law and practice for decades. The
    gap between the two is precisely the ongoing debate over whether the Constitution is to be read according to its original public meaning
    until the people change it, or whether its application may evolve with
    changed social conditions without formal amendment.
    --
    Petzl
    In a democracy of course you always get a choice
    Do you want to be governed by the red or by the blue
    itAs entirely up to you
    Do you want to be patronized or condescended to, by liars or by crooks
    you get to choose.
    Would you prefer your fundamental values to be insulted or ignored by
    con-men or by charlatans
    In short do you want your influence to be zero or nil
    and when would you like to be listened to, never or not at all, itAs
    your choice
    Do you want, some more choices.
    Take-it-or-leave-it
    Now thereAs a real choice
    we have proportional voting in Australia USE IT
    IAd be happy with any kind of representation wouldn't you

    I would like to see a new government and part of me doesn'tAgive a
    damn whoAs in it as long as it doesn'tAinclude anybody from the Labor,
    Liberal or Green party organizations that show itself to be without
    shame or principle

    All spineless and authoritarian both cowardly and war mongering at the
    same time
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to aus.computers on Thu Sep 10 13:42:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

    I don't believe you, its entirely the steaming turd
    you have dropped countless times before

    And that's what grok says too
    https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_128a3e35-caaa-4f22-88a9-347c7e909777

    I had GROK do it's version

    I showed the link you snipped it out

    Everyone can see for themselves that
    there is no link in the original, you
    pathetic excuse for a pathological liar

    Then why you cut it out again?

    I didn't cut any link out, originally or now, you pathological liar

    <https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMw_e5ecc77c-554c-4e25-a335-361d4aee3ade>
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to aus.computers on Thu Sep 10 17:43:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 13:42:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

    I don't believe you, its entirely the steaming turd
    you have dropped countless times before

    And that's what grok says too
    https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_128a3e35-caaa-4f22-88a9-347c7e909777

    I had GROK do it's version

    I showed the link you snipped it out

    Everyone can see for themselves that
    there is no link in the original, you
    pathetic excuse for a pathological liar

    Then why you cut it out again?

    I didn't cut any link out, originally or now, you pathological liar

    <https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMw_e5ecc77c-554c-4e25-a335-361d4aee3ade>

    Was cut out with this bit
    <reams of your fabrication flushed where it belongs>
    Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2026 20:22:53 +1000
    Lines: 145
    Which contained this link https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMw_e5ecc77c-554c-4e25-a335-361d4aee3ade
    Bottom line
    The document correctly identifies the Christian cultural and legal
    matrix in which the Constitution was framed, the deliberate insertion
    of the Almighty God clause, DownerAs contemporaneous characterisation,
    and the High CourtAs later expansive approach to oreligion.o It then
    draws the strong originalist conclusion that any move beyond the
    framersA Christian denominational understanding of oreligion,o or any
    analogous change in constitutional symbolism, requires s 128 approval
    and cannot validly be effected by judicial or ordinary legislative
    action.
    --
    Petzl
    It's hard to win an argument with a smart person but it's damn near impossible to win
    an argument with a stupid person

    When you're dead, you don't know you're dead.
    The pain is felt by others.

    The same thing happens when you're stupid
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to aus.computers on Thu Sep 10 18:30:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

    I don't believe you, its entirely the steaming turd
    you have dropped countless times before

    And that's what grok says too
    https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_128a3e35-caaa-4f22-88a9-347c7e909777

    I had GROK do it's version

    I showed the link you snipped it out

    Everyone can see for themselves that
    there is no link in the original, you
    pathetic excuse for a pathological liar

    Then why you cut it out again?

    I didn't cut any link out, originally, you pathological liar

    <https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMw_e5ecc77c-554c-4e25-a335-361d4aee3ade>

    <reams of your fabrication flushed where it belongs>
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to aus.computers on Thu Sep 10 18:38:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 18:30:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    -- <https://www.perplexity.ai/search/rod-speed-usenet-troll-iBra.u6iSuy..0dwUJuvhQ#0>
    https://tinyurl.com/z5hh3shh
    Rod Speed is known in Usenet communities as a notorious
    argumentative figure often labeled a troll.

    So says Rod speed a egotistical self appointed know-all who knows nothing
    Rod has been on newgroups since the 80's and still the same

    Rod Speed a annoying Australian can type faster than you can talk
    Best to ignore or he will continue to bait you
    Rod speed a egotistical self appointed know-all who knows nothing
    Rod has been on newgroups since the 80's and still the same

    When he starts short vulgar bursts just stop replying--

    If you want to practice talking to his idiot responses Australia has a
    bot to practice with or he white ants you overtime you post!
    "The Rod Speed Bot"
    https://www.sensationbot.com/jschat.php?db=rodspeed

    ROD SPEED A SELF APPOINTED EGOTISTICAL KNOW-ALL WHO KNOWS NOTHING
    JUST FULL OF
    R
    O
    D

    S
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    E
    E
    D

    B
    U
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    DON'T STEP IN IT!

    IT DOESN'T MATTER IF ROD SPEED'S HEART IS IN THE RIGHT PLACE,
    HIS HEAD IS UP HIS OWN ARSE, ALWAYS FARTING EYLASHES!
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to aus.computers on Thu Sep 10 19:07:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote just the
    usual shit it always ends up with when its got
    done like a fucking dinner, as it always is
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Newsmaster@newsmaster@ausics.net to aus.computers on Fri Sep 11 09:15:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers



    On Tue, 8 Sep 2026, Petzl wrote:

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

    -- <https://www.perplexity.ai/search/rod-speed-usenet-troll-iBra.u6iSuy..0dwUJuvhQ#0>
    https://tinyurl.com/z5hh3shh

    "The Rod Speed Bot"

    bullshit! Your AI is as AI is, slop.
    Always known as "Rod Bot"
    Never has "speed" been included in all the years I've known him.

    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to aus.computers on Fri Sep 11 09:47:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 09:15:27 +1000, Newsmaster <newsmaster@ausics.net>
    wrote:



    On Tue, 8 Sep 2026, Petzl wrote:

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

    --
    <https://www.perplexity.ai/search/rod-speed-usenet-troll-iBra.u6iSuy..0dwUJuvhQ#0>
    https://tinyurl.com/z5hh3shh

    "The Rod Speed Bot"

    bullshit! Your AI is as AI is, slop.
    Always known as "Rod Bot"
    Never has "speed" been included in all the years I've known him.

    Thanks Rod Speed I take it
    news.ausics.net
    https://newsgroups.ausics.net/
    will be your next troll home
    when Usenet individual.net bites the dust
    That's where I'm going, any problems with it?
    --
    Petzl
    It's hard to win an argument with a smart person but it's damn near impossible to win
    an argument with a stupid person

    When you're dead, you don't know you're dead.
    The pain is felt by others.

    The same thing happens when you're stupid
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2