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I love it. just ask a question, any question, and you get a detailed
answer. no more searching multiple links, FAQ's, or product websites.
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Axel <none@not.here> wrote:

I love it. just ask a question, any question, and you get a detailed
answer. no more searching multiple links, FAQ's, or product websites.

Amazing, people like you post clear examples of useless AI waffle
then say it's great. I don't understand how people find it better
than reading factual information from a reliable source, when it
can easily be feeding you BS.
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Axel <none@not.here> wrote

I love it. just ask a question, any question, and you get a detailed answer. no more searching multiple links, FAQ's, or product websites.

Yeah, I love it too and always use it

One minor quirk is that the full AI can give
a slightly different answer to the automatic
first one, I got that result today when checking
the pretzel's claim that 80% of recent new jobs
were govt related. The automatic one didnt
say yes or no, but the full one said it is correct
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Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote

Axel <none@not.here> wrote

I love it. just ask a question, any question, and you get a detailed
answer. no more searching multiple links, FAQ's, or product websites.

Amazing, people like you post clear examples of useless AI waffle

Nothing useless about it with the right question

then say it's great. I don't understand how people find it better
than reading factual information from a reliable source,

Takes a lot more work to find that and that's what the AI is doing

when it can easily be feeding you BS.

The pretzel's certainly does that, but the google AI doesnt
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Axel wrote:

I love it. just ask a question, any question, and you get a detailed
answer. no more searching multiple links, FAQ's, or product websites.

I don't trust it. I found Claude better.
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Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

Axel <none@not.here> wrote:

I love it. just ask a question, any question, and you get a detailed
answer. no more searching multiple links, FAQ's, or product websites.

Amazing, people like you post clear examples of useless AI waffle
then say it's great.

it's not 'useless waffle' when it gives you the answer(s) you're seeking
in a matter of seconds, which is exactly what it does

I don't understand how people find it better
than reading factual information from a reliable source,

time is valuable. if I can get information I need just by typing into
google, why wouldn't I do that, rather than wading thru pages online?

when it can easily be feeding you BS.

or not.
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Rod Speed wrote:

Axel <none@not.here> wrote

I love it. just ask a question, any question, and you get a detailed
answer. no more searching multiple links, FAQ's, or product websites.

Yeah, I love it too and always use it

One minor quirk is that the full AI can give
a slightly different answer to the automatic
first one, I got that result today when checking
the pretzel's claim that 80% of recent new jobs
were govt related. The automatic one didnt
say yes or no, but the full one said it is correct

I usually get the info I want from the first reply, especially since it
gives the source links. maybe only used the 'in depth' mode once or twice
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On 5/02/2026 9:52 am, Axel wrote:

I love it. just ask a question, any question, and you get a detailed
answer. no more searching multiple links, FAQ's, or product websites.

It is stealing traffic from the web sites who's information it is using. That's reducing the income that the sites need to cover their costs.
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Ozix <ozix@xizo.am> wrote

Axel wrote

I love it. just ask a question, any question, and you get a detailed
answer. no more searching multiple links, FAQ's, or product websites.

I don't trust it. I found Claude better.

But you are the one that has mindlessly decided that google is evil
incarnate
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Axel <none@not.here> wrote

Rod Speed wrote

Axel <none@not.here> wrote

I love it. just ask a question, any question, and you get a detailed
answer. no more searching multiple links, FAQ's, or product websites.

Yeah, I love it too and always use it

One minor quirk is that the full AI can give
a slightly different answer to the automatic
first one, I got that result today when checking
the pretzel's claim that 80% of recent new jobs
were govt related. The automatic one didnt
say yes or no, but the full one said it is correct

I usually get the info I want from the first reply,

Yeah, me too. That was the first example of what didnt

especially since it gives the source links.

maybe only used the 'in depth' mode once or twice

That's the only time I have actually needed to rather
than adding it to see if it added anything more I needed
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keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote

Axel wrote

I love it. just ask a question, any question, and you get a detailed
answer. no more searching multiple links, FAQ's, or product websites.

It is stealing traffic from the web sites who's information it is using.

That's not theft

That's reducing the income that the sites need to cover their costs.

That is very far from clear with any except wikipedia
which wikipedia keeps telling me that few donate to

Reduces the income of dinosaur newspapers. stiff shit

I havent been stupid enough pay newpapers for decades now
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On Thu, 5 Feb 2026 10:52:17 +1100, Axel <none@not.here> wrote:

I love it. just ask a question, any question, and you get a detailed
answer. no more searching multiple links, FAQ's, or product websites.

I use the copilot and chatbot, and I'm careful to store all the
answers. The love letters and sonnet-insults are to die for.
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Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

Axel <none@not.here> wrote

I love it. just ask a question, any question, and you get a detailed
answer. no more searching multiple links, FAQ's, or product websites.

I use the copilot and chatbot, and I'm careful to store all the
answers. The love letters and sonnet-insults are to die for.

Then do the decent thing and top yourself, soon
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Axel <none@not.here> wrote:

Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

Axel <none@not.here> wrote:

I love it. just ask a question, any question, and you get a detailed
answer. no more searching multiple links, FAQ's, or product websites.

Amazing, people like you post clear examples of useless AI waffle
then say it's great.

it's not 'useless waffle' when it gives you the answer(s) you're seeking
in a matter of seconds, which is exactly what it does

That's what I use web searches for. Except AI is ruining that too
now since for some topics results are now just get a wall of
obviously AI-generated slop on fake blogs which rabbit on repeating
themselves with obvious statements and restatements like some
salesman guessing answers off the top of his head (and on the
topic of salesmen - the AI generated descriptions Ebay offers
sellers now are incredibly bad, it's amazing that some sellers
actually use that nonsense). The only thing that works to get some
practical answers is to look for results from web forums, which is
a shortcut for still getting some concise answers from real humans,
with actually useful facts that the Artificial Idiots haven't
picked up, and with the all-important context around them.

I don't understand how people find it better
than reading factual information from a reliable source,

time is valuable. if I can get information I need just by typing into google, why wouldn't I do that, rather than wading thru pages online?

But it's quicker to type in a few keywords to a search engine than
to type in a full question anyway, and you get a real answer rather
than a mash up of answers done by something with no understanding of
their context. I tried one of these chatbots with questions that
got irrelevent search results and just got irrelevent waffle that,
since you no longer see the irrelevence of its source material like
you do with poor web search results, can be completely misleading.
Reports from others show the same thing - they're only good when
search results are good anyway, and then why not read the sources
yourself and get some measure of their trustworthyness?

Mind you I'm also suspicious about Wikipedia pages without good
references, and I actually check the references sometimes
(sometimes finding the Wikipedia writer has interpreted them
very differently to me), which nobody else seems to care about
either. Maybe truth is a niche topic?

when it can easily be feeding you BS.

or not.

The only way to know is to read the AI's source material yourself
anyway.
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Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

Axel <none@not.here> wrote

I love it. just ask a question, any question, and you get a detailed
answer. no more searching multiple links, FAQ's, or product websites.

Yeah, I love it too and always use it

One minor quirk is that the full AI can give
a slightly different answer to the automatic
first one, I got that result today when checking
the pretzel's claim that 80% of recent new jobs
were govt related. The automatic one didnt
say yes or no, but the full one said it is correct

Interesting, when you ask it which is the town
which produces more chicken and turkey in the
entire southern hemisphere, the default says a
town in Brazil but the full AI says its Griffith in NSW
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On Fri, 06 Feb 2026 07:39:59 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

Axel <none@not.here> wrote

I love it. just ask a question, any question, and you get a detailed
answer. no more searching multiple links, FAQ's, or product websites.

I use the copilot and chatbot, and I'm careful to store all the
answers. The love letters and sonnet-insults are to die for.

Then do the decent thing and top yourself, soon

......uh?

cop this...

Rod, once you cast your barbs with careless glee,
Your words like pebbles hurled at passing minds;
They splash, then sink, yet ripple through the sea
Of days, unsettling the gentler kinds.

What sport is found in jabs that leave a bruise,
Or wit that sharpens only to belittle?
A louder sneer is still a weaker muse;
True strength speaks firm, yet keeps its compass little.

Consider paths where quieter hearts roamu
Where breath is taught to listen, not to fight;
In TibetAs heights, contemplative rites call home
The scattered self to patience, depth, and light.

So trade the trollAs quick spark for kinder range;
In tending calm, you may yet find your change.
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Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote

Axel <none@not.here> wrote

Computer Nerd Kev wrote

Axel <none@not.here> wrote

I love it. just ask a question, any question, and you get a detailed
answer. no more searching multiple links, FAQ's, or product websites.

Amazing, people like you post clear examples of useless AI waffle
then say it's great.

it's not 'useless waffle' when it gives you the answer(s) you're seeking
in a matter of seconds, which is exactly what it does

That's what I use web searches for.

Because you are a dinosaur

Except AI is ruining that too now

Bullshit

since for some topics results are now just get a wall of
obviously AI-generated slop on fake blogs which rabbit on repeating themselves with obvious statements and restatements like some
salesman guessing answers off the top of his head

You are completely off with the fucking fairys

(and on the
topic of salesmen - the AI generated descriptions Ebay offers
sellers now are incredibly bad, it's amazing that some sellers
actually use that nonsense).

And with that in spades

The only thing that works to get some
practical answers is to look for results from web forums, which is
a shortcut for still getting some concise answers from real humans,
with actually useful facts that the Artificial Idiots haven't
picked up, and with the all-important context around them.

And with that in spades

I don't understand how people find it better
than reading factual information from a reliable source,

time is valuable. if I can get information I need just by typing into
google, why wouldn't I do that, rather than wading thru pages online?

But it's quicker to type in a few keywords to a search engine than
to type in a full question anyway,

AI works fine with those keywords

and you get a real answer rather
than a mash up of answers done by something with no understanding of
their context.

More of your mindless bullshit

I tried one of these chatbots with questions that
got irrelevent search results and just got irrelevent waffle that,
since you no longer see the irrelevence of its source material like
you do with poor web search results, can be completely misleading.

Have fun listing which one you used and what you asked it that got that result

Reports from others show the same thing - they're only good when
search results are good anyway, and then why not read the sources
yourself and get some measure of their trustworthyness?

Because that's a lot more farting around

Mind you I'm also suspicious about Wikipedia pages without good
references, and I actually check the references sometimes
(sometimes finding the Wikipedia writer has interpreted them
very differently to me), which nobody else seems to care about
either. Maybe truth is a niche topic?

More of your mindless bullshit

when it can easily be feeding you BS.

or not.

The only way to know is to read the AI's source material yourself
anyway.

And when you do that and find that the AI has
accurately stated what its sources say, only a
fool keeps obscessively keeping on doing that.
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Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

Axel <none@not.here> wrote

I love it. just ask a question, any question, and you get a detailed
answer. no more searching multiple links, FAQ's, or product websites.

I use the copilot and chatbot, and I'm careful to store all the
answers. The love letters and sonnet-insults are to die for.

Then do the decent thing and top yourself, soon

......uh?

cop this...

Get fucked...
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Rod Speed wrote:

keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote

Axel wrote

aI love it. just ask a question, any question, and you get a
detailed answer. no more searching multiple links, FAQ's, or product
websites.

It is stealing traffic from the web sites who's information it is using.

That's not theft

That's reducing the income that the sites need to cover their costs.

That is very far from clear with any except wikipedia
which wikipedia keeps telling me that few donate to

Reduces the income of dinosaur newspapers. stiff shit

I havent been stupid enough pay newpapers for decades now

some ppl like to read a newspaper tho, and some don't have internet or
even a computer
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Axel <none@not.here> wrote

Rod Speed wrote

keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote

Axel wrote

I love it. just ask a question, any question, and you get a detailed >>>> answer. no more searching multiple links, FAQ's, or product websites.

It is stealing traffic from the web sites who's information it is
using.

That's not theft

That's reducing the income that the sites need to cover their costs.

That is very far from clear with any except wikipedia
which wikipedia keeps telling me that few donate to

Reduces the income of dinosaur newspapers. stiff shit

I havent been stupid enough pay newpapers for decades now

some ppl like to read a newspaper tho,

Sure. there will always be dinosaurs with anything

and some don't have internet or even a computer

Some refused to ever have a phone, or TV etc too
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2026 18:05:51 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote

Axel <none@not.here> wrote

I love it. just ask a question, any question, and you get a detailed
answer. no more searching multiple links, FAQ's, or product websites.

Amazing, people like you post clear examples of useless AI waffle

Nothing useless about it with the right question

then say it's great. I don't understand how people find it better
than reading factual information from a reliable source,

Takes a lot more work to find that and that's what the AI is doing

when it can easily be feeding you BS.

The pretzel's certainly does that, but the google AI doesnt

I use more than one AI
They all agree "Rod Speed usenet troll". So do I

"The Rod Speed Bot"
https://www.sensationbot.com/jschat.php?db=rodspeed

Rod Speed is known in Usenet communities as a notorious argumentative
figure often labeled a troll. Participants in various newsgroups,
particularly UK-based ones like uk.d-i-y, frequently describe him as
an Australian poster who engages in persistent, provocative debates,
leading to killfiles and strong backlash.

Reputation in Usenet
Rod Speed gained notoriety for posting under multiple names to evade
filters, sparking endless arguments rather than genuine discussion.
While some defend him as merely "argumentative" rather than a
deliberate troll, others call him a "senile sociopath" or "arsehole"
for derailing threads. This aligns with classic Usenet trolling traits
like long, miscontextualized replies that drain productive
conversation.

Context of Usenet Trolling
Usenet trolls like those referenced thrive by provoking flames,
ignoring reason, and forcing off-topic focus, with Speed cited as a
prime example from the era before modern moderation. His activity
highlights early internet culture where anonymity fueled such
behavior, distinct from spammers or flamers. Pages and threads
debating "Who or what is Rod Speed" emerged due to his persistence.
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Petzl
An evil enemy will from within,
burn his own nation to then rule over the ashes.
Chinese military strategist Sun Tzu
(author of The Art of War), 5th century BC.
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Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

Axel <none@not.here> wrote:

Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

Axel <none@not.here> wrote:

I love it. just ask a question, any question, and you get a detailed
answer. no more searching multiple links, FAQ's, or product websites.

Amazing, people like you post clear examples of useless AI waffle
then say it's great.

it's not 'useless waffle' when it gives you the answer(s) you're seeking
in a matter of seconds, which is exactly what it does

That's what I use web searches for. Except AI is ruining that too

AI is wrecking social media since so many videos are AI generated fakes.
we can't tell what is real or not. so much so there are calls for all AI content to be labeled as such. there's a funny series showing Queen
Elizabeth running foul of the law, to mention just one.

now since for some topics results are now just get a wall of
obviously AI-generated slop on fake blogs which rabbit on repeating themselves with obvious statements and restatements like some
salesman guessing answers off the top of his head (and on the
topic of salesmen - the AI generated descriptions Ebay offers
sellers now are incredibly bad, it's amazing that some sellers
actually use that nonsense). The only thing that works to get some
practical answers is to look for results from web forums, which is
a shortcut for still getting some concise answers from real humans,

of course humans never give wrong answers, do they..

with actually useful facts that the Artificial Idiots haven't
picked up, and with the all-important context around them.

AI answers provide context

I don't understand how people find it better
than reading factual information from a reliable source,

time is valuable. if I can get information I need just by typing into
google, why wouldn't I do that, rather than wading thru pages online?

But it's quicker to type in a few keywords to a search engine

that's all you do with google AI. sometimes I just type one word, and
still get all the info I need

than
to type in a full question anyway, and you get a real answer rather
than a mash up of answers done by something with no understanding of
their context.

if you get an answer that's correct and provides all the info you need,
that's all that matters

I tried one of these chatbots with questions that
got irrelevent search results and just got irrelevent waffle that,
since you no longer see the irrelevence of its source material like
you do with poor web search results, can be completely misleading.
Reports from others show the same thing - they're only good when
search results are good anyway, and then why not read the sources
yourself and get some measure of their trustworthyness?

because it's time consuming, and unnecessary now that AI does it for you

Mind you I'm also suspicious about Wikipedia pages without good
references, and I actually check the references sometimes
(sometimes finding the Wikipedia writer has interpreted them
very differently to me), which nobody else seems to care about
either. Maybe truth is a niche topic?

when it can easily be feeding you BS.

or not.

The only way to know is to read the AI's source material yourself
anyway.

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Some gutless drug crazed drunken
fuckwit desperately cowering behind
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> spewed
all that that gutless drug crazed drunken
desperately cowering fuckwit can ever
manage when its got done like a fucking
dinner, as it always is
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Axel <none@not.here> wrote

Computer Nerd Kev wrote

Axel <none@not.here> wrote

Computer Nerd Kev wrote

Axel <none@not.here> wrote

I love it. just ask a question, any question, and you get a detailed >>>>> answer. no more searching multiple links, FAQ's, or product websites.

Amazing, people like you post clear examples of useless AI waffle
then say it's great.

it's not 'useless waffle' when it gives you the answer(s) you're
seeking

in a matter of seconds, which is exactly what it does

That's what I use web searches for. Except AI is ruining that too

AI is wrecking social media

That's very arguable

since so many videos are AI generated fakes.

Plenty of them are quite funny

we can't tell what is real or not.

Corse we can with the talking animals
and the little kids that talk so clearly

so much so there are calls for allAI content to be labeled as such.

Sure, but very difficult to enforce

there's a funny series showing Queen Elizabethrunning foul of the law,
to mention just one.

now since for some topics results are now just get a wall of
obviously AI-generated slop on fake blogs which rabbit on repeating
themselves with obvious statements and restatements like some
salesman guessing answers off the top of his head (and on the
topic of salesmen - the AI generated descriptions Ebay offers
sellers now are incredibly bad, it's amazing that some sellers
actually use that nonsense). The only thing that works to get some
practical answers is to look for results from web forums, which is
a shortcut for still getting some concise answers from real humans,

of course humans never give wrong answers, do they..

Yeah, he is completely off with the fucking fairys

with actually useful facts that the Artificial Idiots haven't
picked up, and with the all-important context around them.

AI answers provide context

Yep

I don't understand how people find it better
than reading factual information from a reliable source,

time is valuable. if I can get information I need just by typing into
google, why wouldn't I do that, rather than wading thru pages online?

But it's quicker to type in a few keywords to a search engine

that's all you do with google AI. sometimes I just type one word, and
still get all the info I need

Me too

than
to type in a full question anyway, and you get a real answer rather
than a mash up of answers done by something with no understanding of
their context.

if you get an answer that's correct and provides all the info you need, that's all that matters

Yep

I tried one of these chatbots with questions that
got irrelevent search results and just got irrelevent waffle that,
since you no longer see the irrelevence of its source material like
you do with poor web search results, can be completely misleading.
Reports from others show the same thing - they're only good when
search results are good anyway, and then why not read the sources
yourself and get some measure of their trustworthyness?

because it's time consuming, and unnecessary now that AI does it for you

Yep

Mind you I'm also suspicious about Wikipedia pages without good
references, and I actually check the references sometimes
(sometimes finding the Wikipedia writer has interpreted them
very differently to me), which nobody else seems to care about
either. Maybe truth is a niche topic?

when it can easily be feeding you BS.

or not.

The only way to know is to read the AI's source material yourself
anyway.

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On Fri, 06 Feb 2026 14:50:47 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

By the way Rod I found out Amysim have 90 day accounts for $30
***************
Thank you for ordering Unlimited 4GB. Your next renewal date is April
15, 2026.

Make sure you have enough funds in your amaysim account on April 15,
2026 to pay for it.

Your amaysim plan:
Your renewal cycle is 90 days.
Renew your plan early at any time.
If you switch to a bigger plan, the switch is immediate as are your
new data inclusions.
If you switch to a smaller plan, the switch will happen at the end of
your current plan cycle.
--
Petzl
An evil enemy will from within,
burn his own nation to then rule over the ashes.
Chinese military strategist Sun Tzu
(author of The Art of War), 5th century BC.
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Axel <none@not.here> wrote:

Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

Axel <none@not.here> wrote:

Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

Axel <none@not.here> wrote:

I love it. just ask a question, any question, and you get a detailed >>>>> answer. no more searching multiple links, FAQ's, or product websites. >>>> Amazing, people like you post clear examples of useless AI waffle

then say it's great.

it's not 'useless waffle' when it gives you the answer(s) you're seeking >>> in a matter of seconds, which is exactly what it does

That's what I use web searches for. Except AI is ruining that too

AI is wrecking social media since so many videos are AI generated fakes.
we can't tell what is real or not. so much so there are calls for all AI content to be labeled as such. there's a funny series showing Queen Elizabeth running foul of the law, to mention just one.

I don't really care about that since I don't use social media in
the first place, but all these fake blogs that flood search results
now are a real menace.

now since for some topics results are now just get a wall of
obviously AI-generated slop on fake blogs which rabbit on repeating
themselves with obvious statements and restatements like some
salesman guessing answers off the top of his head (and on the
topic of salesmen - the AI generated descriptions Ebay offers
sellers now are incredibly bad, it's amazing that some sellers
actually use that nonsense). The only thing that works to get some
practical answers is to look for results from web forums, which is
a shortcut for still getting some concise answers from real humans,

of course humans never give wrong answers, do they..

Rarely when, for example, it's the person who made something
who'se describing it on their website. Search engines already allow
you to find that accurate information (when there's not too much AI
slop in the way of it), AI chatbots are step backwards - adding in
a third party again.

with actually useful facts that the Artificial Idiots haven't
picked up, and with the all-important context around them.

AI answers provide context

They make up context, but they don't provide the context of the
original text they've ripped the facts from, which is what I was
talking about. Hence you get innaccurate facts wrapped in context
for something else entirely, which is more misleading than what you
usually get from a human who doesn't know the answer.

I don't understand how people find it better
than reading factual information from a reliable source,

time is valuable. if I can get information I need just by typing into
google, why wouldn't I do that, rather than wading thru pages online?

But it's quicker to type in a few keywords to a search engine

that's all you do with google AI. sometimes I just type one word, and
still get all the info I need

than
to type in a full question anyway, and you get a real answer rather
than a mash up of answers done by something with no understanding of
their context.

if you get an answer that's correct and provides all the info you need, that's all that matters

But it might not be correct. OK, seeing as I tried ChatGPT last
time, I'll try this Google Gemini with an example of a question
that's difficult to find relevent results for in a search engine:

Summary (since I doubt anyone will bother reading all its waffle):
Exactly the same sort of misleading nonsense (except more verbose)
as when I asked ChatGPT other questions that aren't easy to answer
with a search engine already.

Attempt 1 (first question I've ever asked Google Gemini):

Trying a quick query like I'd type into a search engine:

QUESTION:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
winter landscape by Joseph Jahn release year

ANSWER:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
While there isn't a single famous "Winter Landscape" by an artist
named Joseph Jahn that has a widely cited release date, the details
depend on which Joseph Jahn you are looking for.

The most likely candidate is Joseph M. Jahn, a contemporary
American-Danish painter.

1. Joseph M. Jahn (Born 1945)

Joseph M. Jahn is a Postwar & Contemporary artist known for Abstract Expressionist oil paintings.

Release Year/Timeline: He has been a professional painter since
1983.

Winter Themes: While he doesn't have one definitive "Winter
Landscape," he frequently paints abstract compositions. Many of his
works have been sold at auction since 2019, but they are often
titled "Composition" or specific themes like "Viking Raid" (2008).

Style: Thick oil paint, often applied with palette knives.

2. Potential Confusion with Similar Names

It's common for titles like "Winter Landscape" to be
misattributed or confused with other artists. You might be looking
for:

Jan van Goyen (Jan Josephsz. van Goyen): A famous 17th-century
Dutch painter. His famous Winter Landscape with Figures on Ice was
released in 1643.

Joseph Whalen: An American artist who created a notable Winter
Landscape in the 1970s.

Joseph Edward Hennah: A British artist whose Winter Landscape with
Town in the Valley was released around 1963.

Would you like me to generate an image in the style of Joseph M.
Jahn's abstract landscapes, or should I look for a specific
gallery catalog to find a match for the painting you're thinking of? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Not what I wanted. I was asking about a musical work, not a
painting. However I did misspell the name Josef Jahn as "Joseph
Jahn". It did provide lots of references for the artists, which are
useless to me.

Attempt 2:

Try again with the correct spelling and more specific details in
the form of a question:

QUESTION:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
what year was the tracker module Winter Landscape by Josef Jahn
released?

ANSWER:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The tracker module "Winter Landscape" by Josef Jahn was released in
1996.

Josef Jahn is a composer known within the "tracker" and demoscene
community for his work using formats like .IT (Impulse Tracker) and
.XM (FastTracker II). This specific track is often celebrated for
its atmospheric, melodic quality, which was a hallmark of the
mid-90s PC tracking scene.
Track Details:

Composer: Josef Jahn

Release Year: 1996

Format: Typically found as an .IT (Impulse Tracker) module.

Genre: Chiptune / Atmospheric / Melodic

Context in the Demoscene

During the mid-to-late 90s, Josef Jahn was a productive member of
the tracking community, contributing to various music disks and
archives. "Winter Landscape" is frequently included in "best of"
tracker music compilations because of its ability to create a cold,
vast, and cinematic atmosphere using very limited sample
sizes a feat of technical and artistic skill common in that era
of digital music.

Would you like me to find a link to a tracker archive where you can
download or stream the module, or are you looking for other tracks
by Josef Jahn? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Lots of semi-accurate waffle surrounding a complete stuff up! The
info in the module file itself says:
Winter Landscape
(C) 2001 Josef Jahn
http://www.playspoon.com

And if you view the author's long-dead website on the Wayback
Machine it confirms that it was: "written by Josef Jahn 31 December
2001":
http://web.archive.org/web/20060130235039/http://www.playspoon.com/awf/index.php?id=137

The correct info is also on the modern web at The Mod Archive,
where their news talks about struggling to keep the site online
against the waves of AI bots recently scraping it to death. Not
that it did this AI any good apparantly. Searching "winter
landscape" there quickly brings it up a single correct result:

https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=171297

Where you can see "(C) 2001 Josef Jahn" under "Internal Texts". But
I guess that's above the intelligence of the Artificial Idiot that
also got other facts in its waffle wrong, and provided no
references to check with that response.

Attempt 3:

Just for fun I tried the first, search-engine-like, query with the
correct spelling:

QUESTION:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
winter landscape by Josef Jahn release year

ANSWER:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Actually, there appears to be a slight mix-up with the name. The
famous tracker module titled "Winter Landscape" was actually
composed by Jogeir Liljedahl, not Josef Jahn.

It was released in 1995 (specifically around November) as part of
the Amiga demoscene.
Track Details:

Composer: Jogeir Liljedahl

Release Year: 1995

Format: .MOD (ProTracker) / .XM (FastTracker II)

File Name: winter_landscape.mod or winter_landscape.xm

Why the Confusion?

The name Josef Jahn is very similar to Jogeir, and in the early
digital music archives (like The Mod Archive or Aminet), metadata
could sometimes be misspelled or attributed to "J. Jahn" in error.
However, Jogeir Liljedahl is the definitive composer he is a
legend in the scene, known for his incredibly melodic and
professional-sounding tracker music that pushed the limits of the
Amiga's hardware.

"Winter Landscape" is widely considered a masterpiece of the genre
for its sweeping, cinematic pads and melancholic atmosphere.

Would you like me to find a link to the original module file or a
high-quality recording of the track for you? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Well now it's gone off the deep end entirely. It's gone the wrong
way with the date, and it's claiming a different composer (_now_ it
tries to correct me on that!). Jogeir Liljedahl exists as a Mod
composer but there's nothing like winter_landscape.mod or
winter_landscape.xm attributed to him on lists of his modules.
Again no references at all even though it suggests correctly that
it's contradicting lists on The Mod Archive and Aminet. What a load
of BS!

So exactly like I concluded before, if some information's not easy
to find using search engines (unless you know a specific site to
search within like The Mod Archive), the Artificial Idiots will
only feed you unreferenced, completely misleading, BS to make up
for the fact. Of course if you're happy with BS, like many people
seem to be, I guess it's the tool for you!

And yes I'm sure it would have found the correct year of something
like Love Me Do by the Beatles. But it's as quick and easy to do
that with a search engine too, and probably still more reliable.
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Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

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Thank you for ordering Unlimited 4GB. Your next renewal date is April
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Make sure you have enough funds in your amaysim account on April 15,
2026 to pay for it.

Your amaysim plan:
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Renew your plan early at any time.
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No sign of that on their web site, presumably its grandfathered for you

I'll ring them today

Thanks for that
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On Sat, 07 Feb 2026 02:36:04 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

By the way Rod I found out Amysim have 90 day accounts for $30
***************
Thank you for ordering Unlimited 4GB. Your next renewal date is April
15, 2026.

Make sure you have enough funds in your amaysim account on April 15,
2026 to pay for it.

Your amaysim plan:
Your renewal cycle is 90 days.
Renew your plan early at any time.
If you switch to a bigger plan, the switch is immediate as are your
new data inclusions.
If you switch to a smaller plan, the switch will happen at the end of
your current plan cycle.

No sign of that on their web site, presumably its grandfathered for you

I'll ring them today

Thanks for that

I rang them when they were trying to scam me for a $25 28 "deal"
ALDI had same deal but for 30 days and with Telstra.
So I were going to tell them to get knotted
Thats when they came out wit a deal better tham my $10, 28 day one
Good luck
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burn his own nation to then rule over the ashes.
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