5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-denzas-set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
Keithr0 wrote:
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-denzas-
set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
and the pollies have been told to not discuss any government matters
when traveling in them
On 2/06/2026 10:46 pm, Axel wrote:
Keithr0 wrote:I think that the advice encompassed any car that has continuous connectivity, no matter it's origin.
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-
denzas- set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
and the pollies have been told to not discuss any government matters
when traveling in them
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in 2016 and
it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as he drove in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn off and
on but I don't know if that can be done.
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-denzas- set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be listening on a continuous basis for voice commands.Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in 2016
and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as he drove in
his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn off
and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the things to
do live updates, which it checks for in my case every day at 2am.
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be listening on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in 2016
and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as he drove
in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn off
and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the things
to do live updates, which it checks for in my case every day at 2am.
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in 2016
and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as he drove
in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn off
and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the things
to do live updates, which it checks for in my case every day at 2am.
If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be listening on a continuous basis for voice commands.
On 3/6/2026 8:05 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 2/06/2026 10:46 pm, Axel wrote:
Keithr0 wrote:I think that the advice encompassed any car that has continuous
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-
denzas- set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
and the pollies have been told to not discuss any government matters
when traveling in them
connectivity, no matter it's origin.
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in 2016
and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as he drove in
his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn off
and on but I don't know if that can be done.
Daryl wrote:
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in 2016
and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as he drove in
his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn off
and on but I don't know if that can be done.
the issue with Chinese cars is spying
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be listening on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in 2016
and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as he drove
in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn off
and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the things
to do live updates, which it checks for in my case every day at 2am.
On 3/06/2026 11:17 am, Axel wrote:
Daryl wrote:
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in 2016
and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as he drove
in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn off
and on but I don't know if that can be done.
the issue with Chinese cars is spying
Spying on what, Felix? What does the average person say or do in this country that the Chinese would be even remotely interested in?
On 3/6/2026 8:05 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 2/06/2026 10:46 pm, Axel wrote:
Keithr0 wrote:I think that the advice encompassed any car that has continuous
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-
denzas- set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
and the pollies have been told to not discuss any government matters
when traveling in them
connectivity, no matter it's origin.
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in 2016 and
it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as he drove in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn off and
on but I don't know if that can be done.
On 3/06/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in 2016
and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as he drove
in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn off
and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the things
to do live updates, which it checks for in my case every day at 2am.
If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be listening on
a continuous basis for voice commands.
It does, but I'm not sure how that could be considered a bad thing.
About all it's likely to hear is me calling some arsehole a fucking
retard :)
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:My Chevy Blazer had it, and it was the greatest thing since sliced
On 3/6/2026 8:05 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 2/06/2026 10:46 pm, Axel wrote:
Keithr0 wrote:I think that the advice encompassed any car that has continuous
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-
denzas- set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
and the pollies have been told to not discuss any government matters
when traveling in them
connectivity, no matter it's origin.
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in 2016
and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as he drove in
his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn off
and on but I don't know if that can be done.
Called Fordpass. Was a bit of a gimmick (able to remote start from the bedroom on a cold morning etc) I used it for a year, got a new phone and never bothered setting it up again.
On 3/06/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in 2016
and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as he drove
in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn off
and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the things
to do live updates, which it checks for in my case every day at 2am.
If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be listening on
a continuous basis for voice commands.
It does, but I'm not sure how that could be considered a bad thing.
About all it's likely to hear is me calling some arsehole a fucking
retard :)
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be listening on
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in 2016
and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as he drove
in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn off
and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the things
to do live updates, which it checks for in my case every day at 2am.
a continuous basis for voice commands.
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to the internet.
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are.
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be listening
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in 2016 >>>>> and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as he drove >>>>> in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn
off and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the
things to do live updates, which it checks for in my case every day
at 2am.
on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to the internet.
On 3/06/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in 2016
and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as he drove
in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn off
and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the things
to do live updates, which it checks for in my case every day at 2am.
If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be listening on
a continuous basis for voice commands.
It does, but I'm not sure how that could be considered a bad thing.
About all it's likely to hear is me calling some arsehole a fucking
retard :)
On 3/06/2026 11:04 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:"Alexa, shut the fuck up" works. :-)
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in 2016 >>>>> and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as he drove >>>>> in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn
off and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the
things to do live updates, which it checks for in my case every day
at 2am.
If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be listening
on a continuous basis for voice commands.
It does, but I'm not sure how that could be considered a bad thing.
About all it's likely to hear is me calling some arsehole a fucking
retard :)
On 3/06/2026 9:04 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in 2016 >>>>> and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as he drove >>>>> in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn
off and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the
things to do live updates, which it checks for in my case every day
at 2am.
If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be listening
on a continuous basis for voice commands.
It does, but I'm not sure how that could be considered a bad thing.
About all it's likely to hear is me calling some arsehole a fucking
retard :)
So you talk to yourself in the car...
On 3/06/2026 11:17 am, Axel wrote:
Daryl wrote:
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in 2016
and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as he drove
in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn off
and on but I don't know if that can be done.
the issue with Chinese cars is spying
Spying on what, Felix? What does the average person say or do in this country that the Chinese would be even remotely interested in?
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are.
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be listening
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in 2016 >>>>> and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as he drove >>>>> in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn
off and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the
things to do live updates, which it checks for in my case every day
at 2am.
on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to the internet.
On 3/06/2026 7:25 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 3/06/2026 9:04 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in
2016 and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as he >>>>>> drove in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn
off and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the
things to do live updates, which it checks for in my case every day >>>>> at 2am.
If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be listening
on a continuous basis for voice commands.
It does, but I'm not sure how that could be considered a bad thing.
About all it's likely to hear is me calling some arsehole a fucking
retard :)
So you talk to yourself in the car...
It doesn't matter what the conversation. You and your mental mate just
can't help yourselves....
On 3/06/2026 9:04 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in 2016 >>>>> and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as he drove >>>>> in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn
off and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the
things to do live updates, which it checks for in my case every day
at 2am.
If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be listening
on a continuous basis for voice commands.
It does, but I'm not sure how that could be considered a bad thing.
About all it's likely to hear is me calling some arsehole a fucking
retard :)
So you talk to yourself in the car...
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are.
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be listening
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in
2016 and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as he >>>>>> drove in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn
off and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the
things to do live updates, which it checks for in my case every day >>>>> at 2am.
on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to the internet. >>>
Yes but does it still collect data like a fully connected car?
No doubt that it collects some data, I know Google maps has a feature
that stores everywhere you go, that feature is turned off on my phone.
All this nonsense is making me want to keep my old cars forever.
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are.
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be listening
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in
2016 and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as he >>>>>> drove in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn
off and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the
things to do live updates, which it checks for in my case every day >>>>> at 2am.
on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to the internet. >>>
If you have a phone connected, the car can use its cellular connection.
On 3/6/2026 3:10 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are.
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be listening >>>>> on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in
2016 and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as >>>>>>> he drove in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn >>>>>>> off and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the
things to do live updates, which it checks for in my case every
day at 2am..
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to the
internet.
Yes but does it still collect data like a fully connected car?
You have no idea what data is collected nor are you likely to even know unless a movement against personal data theft begins.
No doubt that it collects some data, I know Google maps has a feature
that stores everywhere you go, that feature is turned off on my phone.
All this nonsense is making me want to keep my old cars forever.
Any company that operates in China has an obligation, under the terms
they signed, are legally obliged to hand over all data on request.
Remember the TickTock saga, that's what all that was about
On 4/06/2026 12:10 am, Xeno wrote:
On 3/6/2026 3:10 pm, Daryl wrote:Last I heard, Google, who also own Waze, is actually an American company.
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are.
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be listening >>>>>> on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in >>>>>>>> 2016 and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as >>>>>>>> he drove in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn >>>>>>>> off and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the
things to do live updates, which it checks for in my case every >>>>>>> day at 2am..
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to the
internet.
Yes but does it still collect data like a fully connected car?
You have no idea what data is collected nor are you likely to even know
unless a movement against personal data theft begins.
No doubt that it collects some data, I know Google maps has a feature
that stores everywhere you go, that feature is turned off on my phone.
All this nonsense is making me want to keep my old cars forever.
Any company that operates in China has an obligation, under the terms
they signed, are legally obliged to hand over all data on request.
Remember the TickTock saga, that's what all that was about
On 3/06/2026 7:25 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 3/06/2026 9:04 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in
2016 and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as he >>>>>> drove in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn
off and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the
things to do live updates, which it checks for in my case every day >>>>> at 2am.
If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be listening
on a continuous basis for voice commands.
It does, but I'm not sure how that could be considered a bad thing.
About all it's likely to hear is me calling some arsehole a fucking
retard :)
So you talk to yourself in the car...
It doesn't matter what the conversation. You and your mental mate just
can't help yourselves....
Keithr0 <nothing.to.see@here.com.au> wrote:
On 4/06/2026 12:10 am, Xeno wrote:I could have sworn I said any company that operates in China.
On 3/6/2026 3:10 pm, Daryl wrote:Last I heard, Google, who also own Waze, is actually an American company.
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are.
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be listening >>>>>>> on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in >>>>>>>>> 2016 and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as >>>>>>>>> he drove in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn >>>>>>>>> off and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the >>>>>>>> things to do live updates, which it checks for in my case every >>>>>>>> day at 2am..
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to the
internet.
Yes but does it still collect data like a fully connected car?
You have no idea what data is collected nor are you likely to even know
unless a movement against personal data theft begins.
No doubt that it collects some data, I know Google maps has a feature
that stores everywhere you go, that feature is turned off on my phone. >>>> All this nonsense is making me want to keep my old cars forever.
Any company that operates in China has an obligation, under the terms
they signed, are legally obliged to hand over all data on request.
Remember the TickTock saga, that's what all that was about
Ownership is irrelevant. Also any Chinese company that operates outside of China is also legally obliged to hand over data at the request of the CCP.
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are.
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be listening
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in
2016 and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as he >>>>>> drove in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn
off and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the
things to do live updates, which it checks for in my case every day >>>>> at 2am.
on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to the internet. >>>
Yes but does it still collect data like a fully connected car?
No doubt that it collects some data, I know Google maps has a feature
that stores everywhere you go, that feature is turned off on my phone.
All this nonsense is making me want to keep my old cars forever.
On 3/06/2026 10:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Yes?
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are.
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be listening >>>>> on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in
2016 and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as >>>>>>> he drove in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn >>>>>>> off and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the
things to do live updates, which it checks for in my case every
day at 2am.
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to the
internet.
If you have a phone connected, the car can use its cellular connection.
On 4/06/2026 1:26 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 3/06/2026 6:27 pm, Noddy wrote:
So you talk to yourself in the car...
It doesn't matter what the conversation. You and your mental mate
just can't help yourselves....
Since you're both an arsehole and a retard it's only logical that
you're talking to yourself in the car.
Uh-huh.....
On 4/6/2026 8:23 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 4/06/2026 1:26 pm, Clocky wrote:That's deep Darren, really deep!
On 3/06/2026 6:27 pm, Noddy wrote:
So you talk to yourself in the car...
It doesn't matter what the conversation. You and your mental mate
just can't help yourselves....
Since you're both an arsehole and a retard it's only logical that
you're talking to yourself in the car.
Uh-huh.....
On 4/06/2026 9:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 8:23 pm, Noddy wrote:That's trite xeno, really trite!
On 4/06/2026 1:26 pm, Clocky wrote:That's deep Darren, really deep!
On 3/06/2026 6:27 pm, Noddy wrote:
So you talk to yourself in the car...
It doesn't matter what the conversation. You and your mental mate
just can't help yourselves....
Since you're both an arsehole and a retard it's only logical that
you're talking to yourself in the car.
Uh-huh.....
On 4/6/2026 9:41 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 10:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Yes?
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are.
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in >>>>>>>> 2016 and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as >>>>>>>> he drove in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to turn >>>>>>>> off and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the
things to do live updates, which it checks for in my case every >>>>>>> day at 2am.
listening on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to the
internet.
If you have a phone connected, the car can use its cellular connection.
Yes.
From Toyota
The Toyota Corolla uses satellite connections and standard terrestrial mobile networks (4G/5G) in three primary ways:
Satellite Radio (SiriusXM): Corolla models equipped with premium audio packages support SiriusXM, which receives live audio entertainment
directly from satellites.GPS
Navigation: The Corolla's in-car navigation system uses the GPS (Global Positioning System) satellite network to pinpoint your exact location
for turn-by-turn routing.
Connected Services (4G/5G Cellular): For connected features like dynamic cloud navigation, live traffic updates, SOS emergency calling, and
remote start/lock via the myToyota app, the vehicle relies on a built-in Data Communication Module (DCM). This relies on terrestrial 4G/5G
cellular networks, not satellites
If you are thinking about music or podcasts, you can access satellite
radio directly.
bypass the car's built-in system entirely by using Apple CarPlay or
Android Auto.
My Toyota software updates fail when the car is in the garage - poor satellite and cellular reception in there.
On 4/6/2026 9:50 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 4/06/2026 9:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 8:23 pm, Noddy wrote:That's trite xeno, really trite!
On 4/06/2026 1:26 pm, Clocky wrote:That's deep Darren, really deep!
On 3/06/2026 6:27 pm, Noddy wrote:
So you talk to yourself in the car...
It doesn't matter what the conversation. You and your mental mate >>>>>> just can't help yourselves....
Since you're both an arsehole and a retard it's only logical that
you're talking to yourself in the car.
Uh-huh.....
Shallow Keith, you're being shallow.
Shallow Keith, you're being shallow.You're still trite xeno, really trite!
On 4/06/2026 7:54 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:41 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 10:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Yes?
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are.
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in >>>>>>>>> 2016 and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as >>>>>>>>> he drove in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to >>>>>>>>> turn off and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the >>>>>>>> things to do live updates, which it checks for in my case every >>>>>>>> day at 2am.
listening on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to the
internet.
If you have a phone connected, the car can use its cellular connection. >>>>
Yes.
-aFrom Toyota
The Toyota Corolla uses satellite connections and standard terrestrial
mobile networks (4G/5G) in three primary ways:
Satellite Radio (SiriusXM): Corolla models equipped with premium audio
packages support SiriusXM, which receives live audio entertainment
directly from satellites.GPS
Not in Australia
Navigation: The Corolla's in-car navigation system uses the GPS
(Global Positioning System) satellite network to pinpoint your exact
location for turn-by-turn routing.
How else?
Connected Services (4G/5G Cellular): For connected features like
dynamic cloud navigation, live traffic updates, SOS emergency calling,
and remote start/lock via the myToyota app, the vehicle relies on a
built-in Data Communication Module (DCM). This relies on terrestrial
4G/5G cellular networks, not satellites
If you are thinking about music or podcasts, you can access satellite
radio directly.
Not in Australia
If you want to use your smartphone's navigation, you can
bypass the car's built-in system entirely by using Apple CarPlay or
Android Auto.
As I do.
My Toyota software updates fail when the car is in the garage - poorOh dear.
satellite and cellular reception in there.
On 4/6/2026 10:02 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 4/06/2026 9:51 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:50 pm, Keithr0 wrote:You're still trite xeno, really trite!
On 4/06/2026 9:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 8:23 pm, Noddy wrote:That's trite xeno, really trite!
On 4/06/2026 1:26 pm, Clocky wrote:That's deep Darren, really deep!
On 3/06/2026 6:27 pm, Noddy wrote:
So you talk to yourself in the car...
It doesn't matter what the conversation. You and your mental
mate just can't help yourselves....
Since you're both an arsehole and a retard it's only logical that >>>>>>> you're talking to yourself in the car.
Uh-huh.....
Shallow Keith, you're being shallow.
And you are predictable ...-a-a HTH
On 4/6/2026 9:59 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 4/06/2026 7:54 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:41 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 10:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Yes?
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are.
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in >>>>>>>>>> 2016 and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon >>>>>>>>>> as he drove in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to >>>>>>>>>> turn off and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the >>>>>>>>> things to do live updates, which it checks for in my case every >>>>>>>>> day at 2am.
listening on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to the
internet.
If you have a phone connected, the car can use its cellular
connection.
Yes.
-aFrom Toyota
The Toyota Corolla uses satellite connections and standard
terrestrial mobile networks (4G/5G) in three primary ways:
Satellite Radio (SiriusXM): Corolla models equipped with premium
audio packages support SiriusXM, which receives live audio
entertainment directly from satellites.GPS
Not in Australia
One of the many OS arrangements we don't get. I have never missed it. ;-)>
Navigation: The Corolla's in-car navigation system uses the GPS
(Global Positioning System) satellite network to pinpoint your exact
location for turn-by-turn routing.
How else?
Connected Services (4G/5G Cellular): For connected features like
dynamic cloud navigation, live traffic updates, SOS emergency
calling, and remote start/lock via the myToyota app, the vehicle
relies on a built-in Data Communication Module (DCM). This relies on
terrestrial 4G/5G cellular networks, not satellites
Toyota has a long term arrangement with Telstra that will expire when 4G
and 5G cellular arrangements cease. The satellites are one way here,
receive only as far as the car is concerned.>>
If you are thinking about music or podcasts, you can access satellite
radio directly.
Not in Australia
Not a bummer for me. I don't think we ever had satellite radio in this country. >
If you want to use your smartphone's navigation, you can
bypass the car's built-in system entirely by using Apple CarPlay or
Android Auto.
As I do.
As most people do.>
My Toyota software updates fail when the car is in the garage - poorOh dear.
satellite and cellular reception in there.
Yes, when I go outside the garage, and I get more than a single bar, the updates happen, likely due to the arrangement Toyota Australia has with Telstra 4G/5G.
On 4/06/2026 10:40 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:59 pm, Keithr0 wrote:In the 6 months that I have had the car, I'm yet to see an update.
On 4/06/2026 7:54 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:41 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 10:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Yes?
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are.
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger >>>>>>>>>>> in 2016 and it automatically connected to his home wifi as >>>>>>>>>>> soon as he drove in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to >>>>>>>>>>> turn off and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the >>>>>>>>>> things to do live updates, which it checks for in my case >>>>>>>>>> every day at 2am.
listening on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to the >>>>>>>> internet.
If you have a phone connected, the car can use its cellular
connection.
Yes.
-aFrom Toyota
The Toyota Corolla uses satellite connections and standard
terrestrial mobile networks (4G/5G) in three primary ways:
Satellite Radio (SiriusXM): Corolla models equipped with premium
audio packages support SiriusXM, which receives live audio
entertainment directly from satellites.GPS
Not in Australia
One of the many OS arrangements we don't get. I have never missed
it. ;-)>
Navigation: The Corolla's in-car navigation system uses the GPS
(Global Positioning System) satellite network to pinpoint your exact
location for turn-by-turn routing.
How else?
Connected Services (4G/5G Cellular): For connected features like
dynamic cloud navigation, live traffic updates, SOS emergency
calling, and remote start/lock via the myToyota app, the vehicle
relies on a built-in Data Communication Module (DCM). This relies on
terrestrial 4G/5G cellular networks, not satellites
Toyota has a long term arrangement with Telstra that will expire when
4G and 5G cellular arrangements cease. The satellites are one way
here, receive only as far as the car is concerned.>>
If you are thinking about music or podcasts, you can access
satellite radio directly.
Not in Australia
Not a bummer for me. I don't think we ever had satellite radio in this
country. >
If you want to use your smartphone's navigation, you can
bypass the car's built-in system entirely by using Apple CarPlay or
Android Auto.
As I do.
As most people do.>
My Toyota software updates fail when the car is in the garage - poorOh dear.
satellite and cellular reception in there.
Yes, when I go outside the garage, and I get more than a single bar,
the updates happen, likely due to the arrangement Toyota Australia has
with Telstra 4G/5G.
On 4/6/2026 9:41 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 10:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Yes?
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are.
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in >>>>>>>> 2016 and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as >>>>>>>> he drove in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to
turn off and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the
things to do live updates, which it checks for in my case every >>>>>>> day at 2am.
listening on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to the
internet.
If you have a phone connected, the car can use its cellular connection.
Yes.
From Toyota
The Toyota Corolla uses satellite connections and standard terrestrial mobile networks (4G/5G) in three primary ways:
Satellite Radio (SiriusXM): Corolla models equipped with premium audio packages support SiriusXM, which receives live audio entertainment
directly from satellites.GPS
Navigation: The Corolla's in-car navigation system uses the GPS
(Global Positioning System) satellite network to pinpoint your exact location for turn-by-turn routing.
Connected Services (4G/5G Cellular): For connected features like
dynamic cloud navigation, live traffic updates, SOS emergency calling,
and remote start/lock via the myToyota app, the vehicle relies on a
built-in Data Communication Module (DCM). This relies on terrestrial
4G/5G cellular networks, not satellites
If you are thinking about music or podcasts, you can access satellite
radio directly. If you want to use your smartphone's navigation, you
can bypass the car's built-in system entirely by using Apple CarPlay
or Android Auto.
My Toyota software updates fail when the car is in the garage - poor satellite and cellular reception in there.
On 4/06/2026 10:40 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:59 pm, Keithr0 wrote:In the 6 months that I have had the car, I'm yet to see an update.
On 4/06/2026 7:54 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:41 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 10:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Yes?
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are.
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger >>>>>>>>>>> in 2016 and it automatically connected to his home wifi as >>>>>>>>>>> soon as he drove in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to >>>>>>>>>>> turn off and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for >>>>>>>>>> the things to do live updates, which it checks for in my case >>>>>>>>>> every day at 2am.
listening on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to the >>>>>>>> internet.
If you have a phone connected, the car can use its cellular
connection.
Yes.
-aFrom Toyota
The Toyota Corolla uses satellite connections and standard
terrestrial mobile networks (4G/5G) in three primary ways:
Satellite Radio (SiriusXM): Corolla models equipped with premium
audio packages support SiriusXM, which receives live audio
entertainment directly from satellites.GPS
Not in Australia
One of the many OS arrangements we don't get. I have never missed it.
Navigation: The Corolla's in-car navigation system uses the GPS
(Global Positioning System) satellite network to pinpoint your
exact location for turn-by-turn routing.
How else?
Connected Services (4G/5G Cellular): For connected features like
dynamic cloud navigation, live traffic updates, SOS emergency
calling, and remote start/lock via the myToyota app, the vehicle
relies on a built-in Data Communication Module (DCM). This relies
on terrestrial 4G/5G cellular networks, not satellites
Toyota has a long term arrangement with Telstra that will expire when
4G and 5G cellular arrangements cease. The satellites are one way
here, receive only as far as the car is concerned.>>
If you are thinking about music or podcasts, you can access
satellite radio directly.
Not in Australia
Not a bummer for me. I don't think we ever had satellite radio in
this country. >
If you want to use your smartphone's navigation, you can
bypass the car's built-in system entirely by using Apple CarPlay or
Android Auto.
As I do.
As most people do.>
My Toyota software updates fail when the car is in the garage -Oh dear.
poor satellite and cellular reception in there.
Yes, when I go outside the garage, and I get more than a single bar,
the updates happen, likely due to the arrangement Toyota Australia
has with Telstra 4G/5G.
Keithr0 wrote:
On 4/06/2026 10:40 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:59 pm, Keithr0 wrote:In the 6 months that I have had the car, I'm yet to see an update.
On 4/06/2026 7:54 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:41 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 10:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Yes?
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are.
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be >>>>>>>>>> listening on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger >>>>>>>>>>>> in 2016 and it automatically connected to his home wifi as >>>>>>>>>>>> soon as he drove in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to >>>>>>>>>>>> turn off and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for >>>>>>>>>>> the things to do live updates, which it checks for in my case >>>>>>>>>>> every day at 2am.
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to the >>>>>>>>> internet.
If you have a phone connected, the car can use its cellular
connection.
Yes.
-aFrom Toyota
The Toyota Corolla uses satellite connections and standard
terrestrial mobile networks (4G/5G) in three primary ways:
Satellite Radio (SiriusXM): Corolla models equipped with premium
audio packages support SiriusXM, which receives live audio
entertainment directly from satellites.GPS
Not in Australia
One of the many OS arrangements we don't get. I have never missed
it. ;-)>
Navigation: The Corolla's in-car navigation system uses the GPS
(Global Positioning System) satellite network to pinpoint your
exact location for turn-by-turn routing.
How else?
Connected Services (4G/5G Cellular): For connected features like
dynamic cloud navigation, live traffic updates, SOS emergency
calling, and remote start/lock via the myToyota app, the vehicle
relies on a built-in Data Communication Module (DCM). This relies
on terrestrial 4G/5G cellular networks, not satellites
Toyota has a long term arrangement with Telstra that will expire when
4G and 5G cellular arrangements cease. The satellites are one way
here, receive only as far as the car is concerned.>>
If you are thinking about music or podcasts, you can access
satellite radio directly.
Not in Australia
Not a bummer for me. I don't think we ever had satellite radio in
this country. >
If you want to use your smartphone's navigation, you can
bypass the car's built-in system entirely by using Apple CarPlay or >>>>> Android Auto.
As I do.
As most people do.>
My Toyota software updates fail when the car is in the garage -Oh dear.
poor satellite and cellular reception in there.
Yes, when I go outside the garage, and I get more than a single bar,
the updates happen, likely due to the arrangement Toyota Australia
has with Telstra 4G/5G.
what car?
On 5/06/2026 11:13 am, Axel wrote:
Keithr0 wrote:RAV 4 Cruiser
On 4/06/2026 10:40 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:59 pm, Keithr0 wrote:In the 6 months that I have had the car, I'm yet to see an update.
On 4/06/2026 7:54 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:41 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 10:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Yes?
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are.
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be >>>>>>>>>>> listening on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ranger in 2016 and it automatically connected to his home >>>>>>>>>>>>> wifi as soon as he drove in his driveway.It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for >>>>>>>>>>>> the things to do live updates, which it checks for in my >>>>>>>>>>>> case every day at 2am.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy >>>>>>>>>>>>> to turn off and on but I don't know if that can be done. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to >>>>>>>>>> the internet.
If you have a phone connected, the car can use its cellular
connection.
Yes.
-aFrom Toyota
The Toyota Corolla uses satellite connections and standard
terrestrial mobile networks (4G/5G) in three primary ways:
Satellite Radio (SiriusXM): Corolla models equipped with premium
audio packages support SiriusXM, which receives live audio
entertainment directly from satellites.GPS
Not in Australia
One of the many OS arrangements we don't get. I have never missed
it. ;-)>
Navigation: The Corolla's in-car navigation system uses the GPS
(Global Positioning System) satellite network to pinpoint your
exact location for turn-by-turn routing.
How else?
Connected Services (4G/5G Cellular): For connected features like
dynamic cloud navigation, live traffic updates, SOS emergency
calling, and remote start/lock via the myToyota app, the vehicle
relies on a built-in Data Communication Module (DCM). This relies >>>>>> on terrestrial 4G/5G cellular networks, not satellites
Toyota has a long term arrangement with Telstra that will expire
when 4G and 5G cellular arrangements cease. The satellites are one
way here, receive only as far as the car is concerned.>>
If you are thinking about music or podcasts, you can access
satellite radio directly.
Not in Australia
Not a bummer for me. I don't think we ever had satellite radio in
this country. >
If you want to use your smartphone's navigation, you can
bypass the car's built-in system entirely by using Apple CarPlay
or Android Auto.
As I do.
As most people do.>
My Toyota software updates fail when the car is in the garage -Oh dear.
poor satellite and cellular reception in there.
Yes, when I go outside the garage, and I get more than a single
bar, the updates happen, likely due to the arrangement Toyota
Australia has with Telstra 4G/5G.
what car?
Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:41 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 10:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Yes?
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are.
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger in >>>>>>>>> 2016 and it automatically connected to his home wifi as soon as >>>>>>>>> he drove in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to >>>>>>>>> turn off and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the >>>>>>>> things to do live updates, which it checks for in my case every >>>>>>>> day at 2am.
listening on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to the
internet.
If you have a phone connected, the car can use its cellular connection. >>>>
Yes.
From Toyota
The Toyota Corolla uses satellite connections and standard terrestrial
mobile networks (4G/5G) in three primary ways:
Satellite Radio (SiriusXM): Corolla models equipped with premium audio
packages support SiriusXM, which receives live audio entertainment
directly from satellites.GPS
Navigation: The Corolla's in-car navigation system uses the GPS
(Global Positioning System) satellite network to pinpoint your exact
location for turn-by-turn routing.
Connected Services (4G/5G Cellular): For connected features like
dynamic cloud navigation, live traffic updates, SOS emergency calling,
and remote start/lock via the myToyota app, the vehicle relies on a
built-in Data Communication Module (DCM). This relies on terrestrial
4G/5G cellular networks, not satellites
If you are thinking about music or podcasts, you can access satellite
radio directly. If you want to use your smartphone's navigation, you
can bypass the car's built-in system entirely by using Apple CarPlay
or Android Auto.
My Toyota software updates fail when the car is in the garage - poor
satellite and cellular reception in there.
I remember the days when cars were just cars..
Keithr0 wrote:
On 5/06/2026 11:13 am, Axel wrote:
Keithr0 wrote:RAV 4 Cruiser
On 4/06/2026 10:40 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:59 pm, Keithr0 wrote:In the 6 months that I have had the car, I'm yet to see an update.
On 4/06/2026 7:54 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:41 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 10:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Yes?
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:If you have a phone connected, the car can use its cellular >>>>>>>>> connection.
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are. >>>>>>>>>
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be >>>>>>>>>>>> listening on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ranger in 2016 and it automatically connected to his home >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wifi as soon as he drove in his driveway.It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for >>>>>>>>>>>>> the things to do live updates, which it checks for in my >>>>>>>>>>>>> case every day at 2am.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to turn off and on but I don't know if that can be done. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to >>>>>>>>>>> the internet.
Yes.
-aFrom Toyota
The Toyota Corolla uses satellite connections and standard
terrestrial mobile networks (4G/5G) in three primary ways:
Satellite Radio (SiriusXM): Corolla models equipped with premium >>>>>>> audio packages support SiriusXM, which receives live audio
entertainment directly from satellites.GPS
Not in Australia
One of the many OS arrangements we don't get. I have never missed
it. ;-)>
Navigation: The Corolla's in-car navigation system uses the GPS >>>>>>> (Global Positioning System) satellite network to pinpoint your
exact location for turn-by-turn routing.
How else?
Connected Services (4G/5G Cellular): For connected features like >>>>>>> dynamic cloud navigation, live traffic updates, SOS emergency
calling, and remote start/lock via the myToyota app, the vehicle >>>>>>> relies on a built-in Data Communication Module (DCM). This relies >>>>>>> on terrestrial 4G/5G cellular networks, not satellites
Toyota has a long term arrangement with Telstra that will expire
when 4G and 5G cellular arrangements cease. The satellites are one
way here, receive only as far as the car is concerned.>>
If you are thinking about music or podcasts, you can access
satellite radio directly.
Not in Australia
Not a bummer for me. I don't think we ever had satellite radio in
this country. >
If you want to use your smartphone's navigation, you can
bypass the car's built-in system entirely by using Apple CarPlay >>>>>>> or Android Auto.
As I do.
As most people do.>
My Toyota software updates fail when the car is in the garage - >>>>>>> poor satellite and cellular reception in there.Oh dear.
Yes, when I go outside the garage, and I get more than a single
bar, the updates happen, likely due to the arrangement Toyota
Australia has with Telstra 4G/5G.
what car?
current model?
On 5/6/2026 11:04 am, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:They were the days when frauds like Darren could get away with calling themselves a mechanic without ever having any training or qualifications.
On 4/6/2026 9:41 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 10:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Yes?
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are.
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger >>>>>>>>>> in 2016 and it automatically connected to his home wifi as >>>>>>>>>> soon as he drove in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to >>>>>>>>>> turn off and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the >>>>>>>>> things to do live updates, which it checks for in my case
every day at 2am.
listening on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to the
internet.
If you have a phone connected, the car can use its cellular
connection.
Yes.
From Toyota
The Toyota Corolla uses satellite connections and standard
terrestrial mobile networks (4G/5G) in three primary ways:
Satellite Radio (SiriusXM): Corolla models equipped with premium
audio packages support SiriusXM, which receives live audio
entertainment directly from satellites.GPS
Navigation: The Corolla's in-car navigation system uses the GPS
(Global Positioning System) satellite network to pinpoint your exact
location for turn-by-turn routing.
Connected Services (4G/5G Cellular): For connected features like
dynamic cloud navigation, live traffic updates, SOS emergency
calling, and remote start/lock via the myToyota app, the vehicle
relies on a built-in Data Communication Module (DCM). This relies on
terrestrial 4G/5G cellular networks, not satellites
If you are thinking about music or podcasts, you can access
satellite radio directly. If you want to use your smartphone's
navigation, you can bypass the car's built-in system entirely by
using Apple CarPlay or Android Auto.
My Toyota software updates fail when the car is in the garage - poor
satellite and cellular reception in there.
I remember the days when cars were just cars..
Those days are fast disappearing, especially with Hybrids and EVs
since there *needs* to be training with those, especially given the
high voltages present, and that will also push the need for licencing
as well.
On 5/6/2026 11:58 am, Axel wrote:
Keithr0 wrote:He recently bought it new..
On 5/06/2026 11:13 am, Axel wrote:
Keithr0 wrote:RAV 4 Cruiser
On 4/06/2026 10:40 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:59 pm, Keithr0 wrote:In the 6 months that I have had the car, I'm yet to see an update.
On 4/06/2026 7:54 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:41 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 10:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Yes?
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:If you have a phone connected, the car can use its cellular >>>>>>>>>> connection.
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are. >>>>>>>>>>
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be >>>>>>>>>>>>> listening on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ranger in 2016 and it automatically connected to his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home wifi as soon as he drove in his driveway.It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the things to do live updates, which it checks for in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my case every day at 2am.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to turn off and on but I don't know if that can be done. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to >>>>>>>>>>>> the internet.
Yes.
-aFrom Toyota
The Toyota Corolla uses satellite connections and standard
terrestrial mobile networks (4G/5G) in three primary ways:
Satellite Radio (SiriusXM): Corolla models equipped with
premium audio packages support SiriusXM, which receives live
audio entertainment directly from satellites.GPS
Not in Australia
One of the many OS arrangements we don't get. I have never missed >>>>>> it. ;-)>
Navigation: The Corolla's in-car navigation system uses the GPS >>>>>>>> (Global Positioning System) satellite network to pinpoint your >>>>>>>> exact location for turn-by-turn routing.
How else?
Connected Services (4G/5G Cellular): For connected features
like dynamic cloud navigation, live traffic updates, SOS
emergency calling, and remote start/lock via the myToyota app, >>>>>>>> the vehicle relies on a built-in Data Communication Module
(DCM). This relies on terrestrial 4G/5G cellular networks, not >>>>>>>> satellites
Toyota has a long term arrangement with Telstra that will expire
when 4G and 5G cellular arrangements cease. The satellites are
one way here, receive only as far as the car is concerned.>>
If you are thinking about music or podcasts, you can access
satellite radio directly.
Not in Australia
Not a bummer for me. I don't think we ever had satellite radio in >>>>>> this country. >
If you want to use your smartphone's navigation, you can
bypass the car's built-in system entirely by using Apple
CarPlay or Android Auto.
As I do.
As most people do.>
My Toyota software updates fail when the car is in the garage - >>>>>>>> poor satellite and cellular reception in there.Oh dear.
Yes, when I go outside the garage, and I get more than a single
bar, the updates happen, likely due to the arrangement Toyota
Australia has with Telstra 4G/5G.
what car?
current model?
Xeno wrote:
On 5/6/2026 11:58 am, Axel wrote:
Keithr0 wrote:He recently bought it new..
On 5/06/2026 11:13 am, Axel wrote:
Keithr0 wrote:RAV 4 Cruiser
On 4/06/2026 10:40 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:59 pm, Keithr0 wrote:In the 6 months that I have had the car, I'm yet to see an update.
On 4/06/2026 7:54 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:41 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 10:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Yes?
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:If you have a phone connected, the car can use its cellular >>>>>>>>>>> connection.
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are. >>>>>>>>>>>
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> listening on a continuous basis for voice commands. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ranger in 2016 and it automatically connected to his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home wifi as soon as he drove in his driveway. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy to turn off and on but I don't know if that can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the things to do live updates, which it checks for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my case every day at 2am.
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to >>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet.
Yes.
-aFrom Toyota
The Toyota Corolla uses satellite connections and standard
terrestrial mobile networks (4G/5G) in three primary ways:
Satellite Radio (SiriusXM): Corolla models equipped with
premium audio packages support SiriusXM, which receives live >>>>>>>>> audio entertainment directly from satellites.GPS
Not in Australia
One of the many OS arrangements we don't get. I have never
missed it. ;-)>
Navigation: The Corolla's in-car navigation system uses the >>>>>>>>> GPS (Global Positioning System) satellite network to pinpoint >>>>>>>>> your exact location for turn-by-turn routing.
How else?
Connected Services (4G/5G Cellular): For connected features >>>>>>>>> like dynamic cloud navigation, live traffic updates, SOS
emergency calling, and remote start/lock via the myToyota app, >>>>>>>>> the vehicle relies on a built-in Data Communication Module
(DCM). This relies on terrestrial 4G/5G cellular networks, not >>>>>>>>> satellites
Toyota has a long term arrangement with Telstra that will expire >>>>>>> when 4G and 5G cellular arrangements cease. The satellites are
one way here, receive only as far as the car is concerned.>>
If you are thinking about music or podcasts, you can access >>>>>>>>> satellite radio directly.
Not in Australia
Not a bummer for me. I don't think we ever had satellite radio
in this country. >
If you want to use your smartphone's navigation, you can
bypass the car's built-in system entirely by using Apple
CarPlay or Android Auto.
As I do.
As most people do.>
My Toyota software updates fail when the car is in the garage >>>>>>>>> - poor satellite and cellular reception in there.Oh dear.
Yes, when I go outside the garage, and I get more than a single >>>>>>> bar, the updates happen, likely due to the arrangement Toyota
Australia has with Telstra 4G/5G.
what car?
current model?
so yes is the answer then
Xeno wrote:
On 5/6/2026 11:04 am, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:They were the days when frauds like Darren could get away with calling
On 4/6/2026 9:41 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 10:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Yes?
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are.
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger >>>>>>>>>>> in 2016 and it automatically connected to his home wifi as >>>>>>>>>>> soon as he drove in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to >>>>>>>>>>> turn off and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for the >>>>>>>>>> things to do live updates, which it checks for in my case >>>>>>>>>> every day at 2am.
listening on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to the >>>>>>>> internet.
If you have a phone connected, the car can use its cellular
connection.
Yes.
From Toyota
The Toyota Corolla uses satellite connections and standard
terrestrial mobile networks (4G/5G) in three primary ways:
Satellite Radio (SiriusXM): Corolla models equipped with premium
audio packages support SiriusXM, which receives live audio
entertainment directly from satellites.GPS
Navigation: The Corolla's in-car navigation system uses the GPS
(Global Positioning System) satellite network to pinpoint your exact
location for turn-by-turn routing.
Connected Services (4G/5G Cellular): For connected features like
dynamic cloud navigation, live traffic updates, SOS emergency
calling, and remote start/lock via the myToyota app, the vehicle
relies on a built-in Data Communication Module (DCM). This relies on
terrestrial 4G/5G cellular networks, not satellites
If you are thinking about music or podcasts, you can access
satellite radio directly. If you want to use your smartphone's
navigation, you can bypass the car's built-in system entirely by
using Apple CarPlay or Android Auto.
My Toyota software updates fail when the car is in the garage - poor
satellite and cellular reception in there.
I remember the days when cars were just cars..
themselves a mechanic without ever having any training or qualifications.
they were the days when you could fix your car with a screwdriver and a
pair of pliers (almost)
Those days are fast disappearing, especially with Hybrids and EVs
since there *needs* to be training with those, especially given the
high voltages present, and that will also push the need for licencing
as well.
is electrocution possible from working on them?
On 4/06/2026 10:02 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
Shallow Keith, you're being shallow.You're still trite xeno, really trite!
I would tripe would be a better description of shit-fer-brains
Keithr0 wrote:
On 5/06/2026 11:13 am, Axel wrote:
Keithr0 wrote:RAV 4 Cruiser
On 4/06/2026 10:40 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:59 pm, Keithr0 wrote:In the 6 months that I have had the car, I'm yet to see an update.
On 4/06/2026 7:54 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:41 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 10:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Yes?
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:If you have a phone connected, the car can use its cellular >>>>>>>>> connection.
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are. >>>>>>>>>
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be >>>>>>>>>>>> listening on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ranger in 2016 and it automatically connected to his home >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wifi as soon as he drove in his driveway.It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for >>>>>>>>>>>>> the things to do live updates, which it checks for in my >>>>>>>>>>>>> case every day at 2am.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to turn off and on but I don't know if that can be done. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to >>>>>>>>>>> the internet.
Yes.
-aFrom Toyota
The Toyota Corolla uses satellite connections and standard
terrestrial mobile networks (4G/5G) in three primary ways:
Satellite Radio (SiriusXM): Corolla models equipped with premium >>>>>>> audio packages support SiriusXM, which receives live audio
entertainment directly from satellites.GPS
Not in Australia
One of the many OS arrangements we don't get. I have never missed
it. ;-)>
Navigation: The Corolla's in-car navigation system uses the GPS >>>>>>> (Global Positioning System) satellite network to pinpoint your
exact location for turn-by-turn routing.
How else?
Connected Services (4G/5G Cellular): For connected features like >>>>>>> dynamic cloud navigation, live traffic updates, SOS emergency
calling, and remote start/lock via the myToyota app, the vehicle >>>>>>> relies on a built-in Data Communication Module (DCM). This relies >>>>>>> on terrestrial 4G/5G cellular networks, not satellites
Toyota has a long term arrangement with Telstra that will expire
when 4G and 5G cellular arrangements cease. The satellites are one
way here, receive only as far as the car is concerned.>>
If you are thinking about music or podcasts, you can access
satellite radio directly.
Not in Australia
Not a bummer for me. I don't think we ever had satellite radio in
this country. >
If you want to use your smartphone's navigation, you can
bypass the car's built-in system entirely by using Apple CarPlay >>>>>>> or Android Auto.
As I do.
As most people do.>
My Toyota software updates fail when the car is in the garage - >>>>>>> poor satellite and cellular reception in there.Oh dear.
Yes, when I go outside the garage, and I get more than a single
bar, the updates happen, likely due to the arrangement Toyota
Australia has with Telstra 4G/5G.
what car?
current model?
Xeno wrote:
On 5/6/2026 11:58 am, Axel wrote:
Keithr0 wrote:He recently bought it new..
On 5/06/2026 11:13 am, Axel wrote:
Keithr0 wrote:RAV 4 Cruiser
On 4/06/2026 10:40 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:59 pm, Keithr0 wrote:In the 6 months that I have had the car, I'm yet to see an update.
On 4/06/2026 7:54 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:41 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 10:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Yes?
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:If you have a phone connected, the car can use its cellular >>>>>>>>>>> connection.
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are. >>>>>>>>>>>
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> listening on a continuous basis for voice commands. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ranger in 2016 and it automatically connected to his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home wifi as soon as he drove in his driveway. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to turn off and on but I don't know if that can be done. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the things to do live updates, which it checks for in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my case every day at 2am.
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to >>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet.
Yes.
-aFrom Toyota
The Toyota Corolla uses satellite connections and standard
terrestrial mobile networks (4G/5G) in three primary ways:
Satellite Radio (SiriusXM): Corolla models equipped with
premium audio packages support SiriusXM, which receives live >>>>>>>>> audio entertainment directly from satellites.GPS
Not in Australia
One of the many OS arrangements we don't get. I have never missed >>>>>>> it. ;-)>
Navigation: The Corolla's in-car navigation system uses the GPS >>>>>>>>> (Global Positioning System) satellite network to pinpoint your >>>>>>>>> exact location for turn-by-turn routing.
How else?
Connected Services (4G/5G Cellular): For connected features >>>>>>>>> like dynamic cloud navigation, live traffic updates, SOS
emergency calling, and remote start/lock via the myToyota app, >>>>>>>>> the vehicle relies on a built-in Data Communication Module
(DCM). This relies on terrestrial 4G/5G cellular networks, not >>>>>>>>> satellites
Toyota has a long term arrangement with Telstra that will expire >>>>>>> when 4G and 5G cellular arrangements cease. The satellites are
one way here, receive only as far as the car is concerned.>>
If you are thinking about music or podcasts, you can access >>>>>>>>> satellite radio directly.
Not in Australia
Not a bummer for me. I don't think we ever had satellite radio in >>>>>>> this country. >
If you want to use your smartphone's navigation, you can
bypass the car's built-in system entirely by using Apple
CarPlay or Android Auto.
As I do.
As most people do.>
My Toyota software updates fail when the car is in the garage - >>>>>>>>> poor satellite and cellular reception in there.Oh dear.
Yes, when I go outside the garage, and I get more than a single >>>>>>> bar, the updates happen, likely due to the arrangement Toyota
Australia has with Telstra 4G/5G.
what car?
current model?
so yes is the answer then
On 5/6/2026 12:17 pm, Axel wrote:I've worked on such voltages without any of that gear, back in the day,
Xeno wrote:
On 5/6/2026 11:04 am, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:They were the days when frauds like Darren could get away with
On 4/6/2026 9:41 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 10:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Yes?
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are.
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be >>>>>>>>>> listening on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger >>>>>>>>>>>> in 2016 and it automatically connected to his home wifi as >>>>>>>>>>>> soon as he drove in his driveway.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to >>>>>>>>>>>> turn off and on but I don't know if that can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for >>>>>>>>>>> the things to do live updates, which it checks for in my case >>>>>>>>>>> every day at 2am.
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to the >>>>>>>>> internet.
If you have a phone connected, the car can use its cellular
connection.
Yes.
From Toyota
The Toyota Corolla uses satellite connections and standard
terrestrial mobile networks (4G/5G) in three primary ways:
Satellite Radio (SiriusXM): Corolla models equipped with premium
audio packages support SiriusXM, which receives live audio
entertainment directly from satellites.GPS
Navigation: The Corolla's in-car navigation system uses the GPS
(Global Positioning System) satellite network to pinpoint your
exact location for turn-by-turn routing.
Connected Services (4G/5G Cellular): For connected features like
dynamic cloud navigation, live traffic updates, SOS emergency
calling, and remote start/lock via the myToyota app, the vehicle
relies on a built-in Data Communication Module (DCM). This relies
on terrestrial 4G/5G cellular networks, not satellites
If you are thinking about music or podcasts, you can access
satellite radio directly. If you want to use your smartphone's
navigation, you can bypass the car's built-in system entirely by
using Apple CarPlay or Android Auto.
My Toyota software updates fail when the car is in the garage -
poor satellite and cellular reception in there.
I remember the days when cars were just cars..
calling themselves a mechanic without ever having any training or
qualifications.
they were the days when you could fix your car with a screwdriver and
a pair of pliers (almost)
Indeed.>
With 200-800 Volts *DC* or *AC* floating around in all those *orange* coloured wires, I'd give that a distinct yes vote. Especially DC volts.Those days are fast disappearing, especially with Hybrids and EVs
since there *needs* to be training with those, especially given the
high voltages present, and that will also push the need for licencing
as well.
is electrocution possible from working on them?
In Australia, an unlicensed person is generally prohibited from doing anything with any fixed wiring or electrical work connected to the grid.
The absolute limit for unregulated DIY interaction is Extra Low Voltage (ELV) - up to 50V AC or 120V ripple-free DC. Anything above this is
legally defined as Low Voltage (up to 1,000 AC/1,500DC and requires a licensed electrician. The blurring here is that the legal definition
clearly states "connected to the grid". My hybrid is never connected to
the grid and EVs only whilst charging. That said, in Australia, instead
of electrical licensing, automotive mechanics must hold a specific high voltage) automotive qualification or a manufacturer specific
certification. A mechanic I know here has the Toyota Certification. My
mate used to take his Prius there before he got too old to drive and
gave his car to his daughter.
Basically, there's a whole lot of new technology to learn about and new ways/tools to deal with it. Like this;
https://voltsafety.com.au/product/volt-safety-electrical-insulated- glove-kit-class-0-1000v
from 3 pages of electric vehicle safety gear;
https://voltsafety.com.au/product-category/electrical-vehicle-ev-ppe
lindsay wrote:Congratulation alvey! You spotted a typo, demonstrating both your
On 4/06/2026 10:02 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
Shallow Keith, you're being shallow.You're still trite xeno, really trite!
I would tripe would be a better description of shit-fer-brains
lol
Anybody who publishes, "I would tripe would..." is a competitor in the
Best Tripe battle, *not* a commentator.
Xeno wrote:
Those days are fast disappearing, especially with Hybrids and EVs
since there *needs* to be training with those, especially given the
high voltages present, and that will also push the need for licencing
as well.
is electrocution possible from working on them?
On 5/06/2026 11:58 am, Axel wrote:
current model?No 2025 model, the current model is $6k more expensive, 20Kw less power,
and the front end is even more hideous.
On 5/06/2026 12:57 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 5/6/2026 12:17 pm, Axel wrote:I've worked on such voltages without any of that gear, back in the day,
Xeno wrote:
On 5/6/2026 11:04 am, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:They were the days when frauds like Darren could get away with
On 4/6/2026 9:41 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 10:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Yes?
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are.
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be >>>>>>>>>>> listening on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new Ranger >>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2016 and it automatically connected to his home wifi as >>>>>>>>>>>>> soon as he drove in his driveway.It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for >>>>>>>>>>>> the things to do live updates, which it checks for in my >>>>>>>>>>>> case every day at 2am.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy to >>>>>>>>>>>>> turn off and on but I don't know if that can be done. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to the >>>>>>>>>> internet.
If you have a phone connected, the car can use its cellular
connection.
Yes.
From Toyota
The Toyota Corolla uses satellite connections and standard
terrestrial mobile networks (4G/5G) in three primary ways:
Satellite Radio (SiriusXM): Corolla models equipped with premium
audio packages support SiriusXM, which receives live audio
entertainment directly from satellites.GPS
Navigation: The Corolla's in-car navigation system uses the GPS
(Global Positioning System) satellite network to pinpoint your
exact location for turn-by-turn routing.
Connected Services (4G/5G Cellular): For connected features like
dynamic cloud navigation, live traffic updates, SOS emergency
calling, and remote start/lock via the myToyota app, the vehicle
relies on a built-in Data Communication Module (DCM). This relies >>>>>> on terrestrial 4G/5G cellular networks, not satellites
If you are thinking about music or podcasts, you can access
satellite radio directly. If you want to use your smartphone's
navigation, you can bypass the car's built-in system entirely by
using Apple CarPlay or Android Auto.
My Toyota software updates fail when the car is in the garage -
poor satellite and cellular reception in there.
I remember the days when cars were just cars..
calling themselves a mechanic without ever having any training or
qualifications.
they were the days when you could fix your car with a screwdriver and
a pair of pliers (almost)
Indeed.>
With 200-800 Volts *DC* or *AC* floating around in all those *orange*Those days are fast disappearing, especially with Hybrids and EVs
since there *needs* to be training with those, especially given the
high voltages present, and that will also push the need for
licencing as well.
is electrocution possible from working on them?
coloured wires, I'd give that a distinct yes vote. Especially DC volts.
In Australia, an unlicensed person is generally prohibited from doing
anything with any fixed wiring or electrical work connected to the
grid. The absolute limit for unregulated DIY interaction is Extra Low
Voltage (ELV) - up to 50V AC or 120V ripple-free DC. Anything above
this is legally defined as Low Voltage (up to 1,000 AC/1,500DC and
requires a licensed electrician. The blurring here is that the legal
definition clearly states "connected to the grid". My hybrid is never
connected to the grid and EVs only whilst charging. That said, in
Australia, instead of electrical licensing, automotive mechanics must
hold a specific high voltage) automotive qualification or a
manufacturer specific certification. A mechanic I know here has the
Toyota Certification. My mate used to take his Prius there before he
got too old to drive and gave his car to his daughter.
Basically, there's a whole lot of new technology to learn about and
new ways/tools to deal with it. Like this;
https://voltsafety.com.au/product/volt-safety-electrical-insulated-
glove-kit-class-0-1000v
from 3 pages of electric vehicle safety gear;
https://voltsafety.com.au/product-category/electrical-vehicle-ev-ppe
you just had to be careful and use you brain. DC is worse than AC,
depending on the polarity, it may cause you to be thrown away, or, in
the worse case, it can make your muscles contract, causing you to grab
the live point and unable to let go.
on the site were I did my apprenticeship, some idiot had disabled the
safety interlock on the door to a radar modulator cabinet. He walked in,
and the 15Kv arced over to the steel rule in his leg pocket. He was
lucky not to lose that leg (and stay alive).
On 5/06/2026 12:17 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
Those days are fast disappearing, especially with Hybrids and EVs
since there *needs* to be training with those, especially given the
high voltages present, and that will also push the need for licencing
as well.
is electrocution possible from working on them?
Why are you asking him, Felix? He knows exactly as much about them as
you do, which is whatever Google tells you :)
Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
On 5/6/2026 11:58 am, Axel wrote:
Keithr0 wrote:He recently bought it new..
On 5/06/2026 11:13 am, Axel wrote:
Keithr0 wrote:RAV 4 Cruiser
On 4/06/2026 10:40 pm, Xeno wrote:what car?
On 4/6/2026 9:59 pm, Keithr0 wrote:In the 6 months that I have had the car, I'm yet to see an update. >>>>>>
On 4/06/2026 7:54 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:41 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 10:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Yes?
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:If you have a phone connected, the car can use its cellular >>>>>>>>>>>> connection.
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are. >>>>>>>>>>>>
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listening on a continuous basis for voice commands. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ranger in 2016 and it automatically connected to his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home wifi as soon as he drove in his driveway. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy to turn off and on but I don't know if that can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the things to do live updates, which it checks for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my case every day at 2am.
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet.
Yes.
-aFrom Toyota
The Toyota Corolla uses satellite connections and standard >>>>>>>>>> terrestrial mobile networks (4G/5G) in three primary ways: >>>>>>>>>>
Satellite Radio (SiriusXM): Corolla models equipped with
premium audio packages support SiriusXM, which receives live >>>>>>>>>> audio entertainment directly from satellites.GPS
Not in Australia
One of the many OS arrangements we don't get. I have never
missed it. ;-)>
Navigation: The Corolla's in-car navigation system uses the >>>>>>>>>> GPS (Global Positioning System) satellite network to pinpoint >>>>>>>>>> your exact location for turn-by-turn routing.
How else?
Connected Services (4G/5G Cellular): For connected features >>>>>>>>>> like dynamic cloud navigation, live traffic updates, SOS
emergency calling, and remote start/lock via the myToyota app, >>>>>>>>>> the vehicle relies on a built-in Data Communication Module >>>>>>>>>> (DCM). This relies on terrestrial 4G/5G cellular networks, not >>>>>>>>>> satellites
Toyota has a long term arrangement with Telstra that will expire >>>>>>>> when 4G and 5G cellular arrangements cease. The satellites are >>>>>>>> one way here, receive only as far as the car is concerned.>> >>>>>>>>>> If you are thinking about music or podcasts, you can access >>>>>>>>>> satellite radio directly.
Not in Australia
Not a bummer for me. I don't think we ever had satellite radio >>>>>>>> in this country. >
If you want to use your smartphone's navigation, you can
bypass the car's built-in system entirely by using Apple
CarPlay or Android Auto.
As I do.
As most people do.>
My Toyota software updates fail when the car is in the garage >>>>>>>>>> - poor satellite and cellular reception in there.Oh dear.
Yes, when I go outside the garage, and I get more than a single >>>>>>>> bar, the updates happen, likely due to the arrangement Toyota >>>>>>>> Australia has with Telstra 4G/5G.
current model?
so yes is the answer then
https://www.toyota.com.au/rav4
nice
On 5/06/2026 12:17 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
Those days are fast disappearing, especially with Hybrids and EVs
since there *needs* to be training with those, especially given the
high voltages present, and that will also push the need for licencing
as well.
is electrocution possible from working on them?
Why are you asking him, Felix? He knows exactly as much about them as
you do, which is whatever Google tells you :)
On 5/06/2026 3:26 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 5/06/2026 11:58 am, Axel wrote:
current model?No 2025 model, the current model is $6k more expensive, 20Kw less
power, and the front end is even more hideous.
It's certainly not pretty. Toyota seems to be on an "ugly" bent at the moment....
On 5/06/2026 3:08 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 5/06/2026 12:17 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
Those days are fast disappearing, especially with Hybrids and EVs
since there *needs* to be training with those, especially given the
high voltages present, and that will also push the need for
licencing as well.
is electrocution possible from working on them?
Why are you asking him, Felix? He knows exactly as much about them as
you do, which is whatever Google tells you :)
You can't even comprehend what Google tells you boy so insults are all
you have left.
On 5/06/2026 6:32 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 5/06/2026 3:08 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 5/06/2026 12:17 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
Those days are fast disappearing, especially with Hybrids and EVs
since there *needs* to be training with those, especially given the >>>>> high voltages present, and that will also push the need for
licencing as well.
is electrocution possible from working on them?
Why are you asking him, Felix? He knows exactly as much about them as
you do, which is whatever Google tells you :)
You can't even comprehend what Google tells you boy so insults are all
you have left.
And yet here you are responding to comment that isn't even directed at
you. So what's the story? Desperate for attention, or just no one else
to play with?
Fucking idiot.....
On 5/06/2026 6:32 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 5/06/2026 3:08 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 5/06/2026 12:17 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
Those days are fast disappearing, especially with Hybrids and EVs
since there *needs* to be training with those, especially given the >>>>> high voltages present, and that will also push the need for
licencing as well.
is electrocution possible from working on them?
Why are you asking him, Felix? He knows exactly as much about them as
you do, which is whatever Google tells you :)
You can't even comprehend what Google tells you boy so insults are all
you have left.
And yet here you are responding to comment that isn't even directed at
you. So what's the story? Desperate for attention, or just no one else
to play with?
Fucking idiot.....
On 5/06/2026 12:17 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
Those days are fast disappearing, especially with Hybrids and EVs
since there *needs* to be training with those, especially given the
high voltages present, and that will also push the need for
licencing as well.
is electrocution possible from working on them?
Why are you asking him, Felix? He knows exactly as much about them as
you do, which is whatever Google tells you :)
On 5/6/2026 8:04 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 5/06/2026 5:10 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 5/06/2026 3:26 pm, Keithr0 wrote:There aren't many pretty cars around.
On 5/06/2026 11:58 am, Axel wrote:
current model?No 2025 model, the current model is $6k more expensive, 20Kw less
power, and the front end is even more hideous.
It's certainly not pretty. Toyota seems to be on an "ugly" bent at
the moment....
Very true.
Ferrari just released their first EV, saying that the styling is controversial is an understatement.
Noddy wrote:
On 5/06/2026 12:17 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
Those days are fast disappearing, especially with Hybrids and EVs
since there *needs* to be training with those, especially given the
high voltages present, and that will also push the need for
licencing as well.
is electrocution possible from working on them?
Why are you asking him, Felix? He knows exactly as much about them as
you do, which is whatever Google tells you :)
I'm pretty sure he knows more than I. anyhow, it's a public forum.
comments are addressed to everyone
Noddy wrote:
Why are you asking him, Felix? He knows exactly as much about them as
you do, which is whatever Google tells you :)
I'm pretty sure he knows more than I.
anyhow, it's a public forum. comments are addressed to everyone
On 5/6/2026 8:04 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
There aren't many pretty cars around.
Very true.
Ferrari just released their first EV, saying that the styling is controversial is an understatement.
On 5/06/2026 5:10 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 5/06/2026 3:26 pm, Keithr0 wrote:There aren't many pretty cars around.
On 5/06/2026 11:58 am, Axel wrote:
current model?No 2025 model, the current model is $6k more expensive, 20Kw less
power, and the front end is even more hideous.
It's certainly not pretty. Toyota seems to be on an "ugly" bent at the
moment....
On 5/06/2026 8:36 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 5/6/2026 8:04 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
There aren't many pretty cars around.
Very true.
Ferrari just released their first EV, saying that the styling is
controversial is an understatement.
It's fucking hideous. It looks like a toy :)
On 5/06/2026 9:45 pm, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
Why are you asking him, Felix? He knows exactly as much about them as
you do, which is whatever Google tells you :)
I'm pretty sure he knows more than I.
You'd be wrong Felix. He doesn't know any more about them than you can discover yourself. Did you not get the "google" part?
anyhow, it's a public forum. comments are addressed to everyone
Yeah, no they're not. You were replying to him directly. Not asking a
broad general question to everyone :)
Clocky wrote:
On 5/06/2026 10:29 am, Axel wrote:
Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
On 5/6/2026 11:58 am, Axel wrote:
Keithr0 wrote:He recently bought it new..
On 5/06/2026 11:13 am, Axel wrote:
Keithr0 wrote:RAV 4 Cruiser
On 4/06/2026 10:40 pm, Xeno wrote:what car?
On 4/6/2026 9:59 pm, Keithr0 wrote:In the 6 months that I have had the car, I'm yet to see an update. >>>>>>>>
On 4/06/2026 7:54 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:41 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 10:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Yes?
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:If you have a phone connected, the car can use its >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cellular connection.
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be listening on a continuous basis for voice commands. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ranger in 2016 and it automatically connected to his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home wifi as soon as he drove in his driveway. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy to turn off and on but I don't know if that can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the things to do live updates, which it checks for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my case every day at 2am.
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the internet.
Yes.
-aFrom Toyota
The Toyota Corolla uses satellite connections and standard >>>>>>>>>>>> terrestrial mobile networks (4G/5G) in three primary ways: >>>>>>>>>>>>
Satellite Radio (SiriusXM): Corolla models equipped with >>>>>>>>>>>> premium audio packages support SiriusXM, which receives live >>>>>>>>>>>> audio entertainment directly from satellites.GPS
Not in Australia
One of the many OS arrangements we don't get. I have never >>>>>>>>>> missed it. ;-)>
Navigation: The Corolla's in-car navigation system uses the >>>>>>>>>>>> GPS (Global Positioning System) satellite network to
pinpoint your exact location for turn-by-turn routing.
How else?
Connected Services (4G/5G Cellular): For connected features >>>>>>>>>>>> like dynamic cloud navigation, live traffic updates, SOS >>>>>>>>>>>> emergency calling, and remote start/lock via the myToyota >>>>>>>>>>>> app, the vehicle relies on a built-in Data Communication >>>>>>>>>>>> Module (DCM). This relies on terrestrial 4G/5G cellular >>>>>>>>>>>> networks, not satellites
Toyota has a long term arrangement with Telstra that will >>>>>>>>>> expire when 4G and 5G cellular arrangements cease. The
satellites are one way here, receive only as far as the car is >>>>>>>>>> concerned.>>
If you are thinking about music or podcasts, you can access >>>>>>>>>>>> satellite radio directly.
Not in Australia
Not a bummer for me. I don't think we ever had satellite radio >>>>>>>>>> in this country. >
If you want to use your smartphone's navigation, you can >>>>>>>>>>>> bypass the car's built-in system entirely by using Apple >>>>>>>>>>>> CarPlay or Android Auto.
As I do.
As most people do.>
My Toyota software updates fail when the car is in the >>>>>>>>>>>> garage - poor satellite and cellular reception in there. >>>>>>>>>>>>Oh dear.
Yes, when I go outside the garage, and I get more than a
single bar, the updates happen, likely due to the arrangement >>>>>>>>>> Toyota Australia has with Telstra 4G/5G.
current model?
so yes is the answer then
https://www.toyota.com.au/rav4
nice
Looks like everything else in that market segment, boring. At least it
should be fairly reliable and retain decent resale value being a
Toyota so that is a plus.
actually it's this one.. https://www.drive.com.au/cars-for-sale/car/970184784
On 5/06/2026 6:32 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 5/06/2026 3:08 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 5/06/2026 12:17 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
Those days are fast disappearing, especially with Hybrids and EVs
since there *needs* to be training with those, especially given the >>>>> high voltages present, and that will also push the need for
licencing as well.
is electrocution possible from working on them?
Why are you asking him, Felix? He knows exactly as much about them as
you do, which is whatever Google tells you :)
You can't even comprehend what Google tells you boy so insults are all
you have left.
And yet here you are responding to comment that isn't even directed at
you. So what's the story? Desperate for attention, or just no one else
to play with?
Fucking idiot.....
On 5/06/2026 9:45 pm, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
Why are you asking him, Felix? He knows exactly as much about them as
you do, which is whatever Google tells you :)
I'm pretty sure he knows more than I.
You'd be wrong Felix. He doesn't know any more about them than you can discover yourself. Did you not get the "google" part?
anyhow, it's a public forum. comments are addressed to everyone
Yeah, no they're not.
On 5/06/2026 6:07 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 5/06/2026 6:32 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 5/06/2026 3:08 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 5/06/2026 12:17 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
Those days are fast disappearing, especially with Hybrids and EVs >>>>>> since there *needs* to be training with those, especially given
the high voltages present, and that will also push the need for
licencing as well.
is electrocution possible from working on them?
Why are you asking him, Felix? He knows exactly as much about them
as you do, which is whatever Google tells you :)
You can't even comprehend what Google tells you boy so insults are
all you have left.
And yet here you are responding to comment that isn't even directed at
you. So what's the story? Desperate for attention, or just no one else
to play with?
Fucking idiot.....
Since you have no standing here your opinion is wholly irrelevant.
On 5/06/2026 8:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 5/06/2026 9:45 pm, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
Why are you asking him, Felix? He knows exactly as much about them
as you do, which is whatever Google tells you :)
I'm pretty sure he knows more than I.
You'd be wrong Felix. He doesn't know any more about them than you can
discover yourself. Did you not get the "google" part?
anyhow, it's a public forum. comments are addressed to everyone
Yeah, no they're not.
Oh yes they are. That's how *public* forums work. That you still fail to
grasp this after so many decades just points to a lifelong learning disability which would, of course, explain why you never completed
schooling or an apprenticeship.
On 6/06/2026 1:17 am, Clocky wrote:
On 5/06/2026 8:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
No one was asking you, so shut the fuck up.
anyhow, it's a public forum. comments are addressed to everyone
Yeah, no they're not.
Oh yes they are.
*That's* how it works.
----
Regards,
Noddy.
On 5/6/2026 10:48 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 5/06/2026 8:36 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 5/6/2026 8:04 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
There aren't many pretty cars around.
Very true.
Ferrari just released their first EV, saying that the styling is
controversial is an understatement.
It's fucking hideous. It looks like a toy :)
Beauty, as always, is in the eye of the beholder.
On 5/06/2026 7:51 pm, Axel wrote:
Clocky wrote:
On 5/06/2026 10:29 am, Axel wrote:
Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
On 5/6/2026 11:58 am, Axel wrote:
Keithr0 wrote:He recently bought it new..
On 5/06/2026 11:13 am, Axel wrote:
Keithr0 wrote:RAV 4 Cruiser
On 4/06/2026 10:40 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:59 pm, Keithr0 wrote:In the 6 months that I have had the car, I'm yet to see an >>>>>>>>>> update.
On 4/06/2026 7:54 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:41 am, Keithr0 wrote:Not in Australia
On 3/06/2026 10:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Yes?
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are.
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be listening on a continuous basis for voice commands. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ranger in 2016 and it automatically connected to his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home wifi as soon as he drove in his driveway. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy to turn off and on but I don't know if that can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exists for the things to do live updates, which it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checks for in my case every day at 2am.
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the internet.
If you have a phone connected, the car can use its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cellular connection.
Yes.
-aFrom Toyota
The Toyota Corolla uses satellite connections and standard >>>>>>>>>>>>> terrestrial mobile networks (4G/5G) in three primary ways: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Satellite Radio (SiriusXM): Corolla models equipped with >>>>>>>>>>>>> premium audio packages support SiriusXM, which receives >>>>>>>>>>>>> live audio entertainment directly from satellites.GPS >>>>>>>>>>>>
One of the many OS arrangements we don't get. I have never >>>>>>>>>>> missed it. ;-)>
Navigation: The Corolla's in-car navigation system uses the >>>>>>>>>>>>> GPS (Global Positioning System) satellite network to >>>>>>>>>>>>> pinpoint your exact location for turn-by-turn routing. >>>>>>>>>>>>How else?
Connected Services (4G/5G Cellular): For connected features >>>>>>>>>>>>> like dynamic cloud navigation, live traffic updates, SOS >>>>>>>>>>>>> emergency calling, and remote start/lock via the myToyota >>>>>>>>>>>>> app, the vehicle relies on a built-in Data Communication >>>>>>>>>>>>> Module (DCM). This relies on terrestrial 4G/5G cellular >>>>>>>>>>>>> networks, not satellites
Toyota has a long term arrangement with Telstra that will >>>>>>>>>>> expire when 4G and 5G cellular arrangements cease. The
satellites are one way here, receive only as far as the car >>>>>>>>>>> is concerned.>>
If you are thinking about music or podcasts, you can access >>>>>>>>>>>>> satellite radio directly.
Not in Australia
Not a bummer for me. I don't think we ever had satellite >>>>>>>>>>> radio in this country. >
If you want to use your smartphone's navigation, you can >>>>>>>>>>>>> bypass the car's built-in system entirely by using Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>> CarPlay or Android Auto.
As I do.
As most people do.>
My Toyota software updates fail when the car is in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> garage - poor satellite and cellular reception in there. >>>>>>>>>>>>>Oh dear.
Yes, when I go outside the garage, and I get more than a >>>>>>>>>>> single bar, the updates happen, likely due to the arrangement >>>>>>>>>>> Toyota Australia has with Telstra 4G/5G.
what car?
current model?
so yes is the answer then
https://www.toyota.com.au/rav4
nice
Looks like everything else in that market segment, boring. At least
it should be fairly reliable and retain decent resale value being a
Toyota so that is a plus.
actually it's this one.. https://www.drive.com.au/cars-for-sale/
car/970184784
Seems to be a race to mediocrity, they all look like they were stamped
out at the same factory.
On 5/06/2026 8:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 5/06/2026 9:45 pm, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
Why are you asking him, Felix? He knows exactly as much about them
as you do, which is whatever Google tells you :)
I'm pretty sure he knows more than I.
You'd be wrong Felix. He doesn't know any more about them than you
can discover yourself. Did you not get the "google" part?
anyhow, it's a public forum. comments are addressed to everyone
Yeah, no they're not.
Oh yes they are.
That's how *public* forums work. That you still fail to grasp this
after so many decades just points to a lifelong learning disability
which would, of course, explain why you never completed schooling or
an apprenticeship.
On 5/06/2026 10:50 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 5/6/2026 10:48 pm, Noddy wrote:In this case, the vast majority of beholders say ugly.
On 5/06/2026 8:36 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 5/6/2026 8:04 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
There aren't many pretty cars around.
Very true.
Ferrari just released their first EV, saying that the styling is
controversial is an understatement.
It's fucking hideous. It looks like a toy :)
Beauty, as always, is in the eye of the beholder.
On 6/06/2026 1:17 am, Clocky wrote:
On 5/06/2026 8:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
No one was asking you, so shut the fuck up.
anyhow, it's a public forum. comments are addressed to everyone
Yeah, no they're not.
Oh yes they are.
*That's* how it works.
On 5/6/2026 10:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 5/06/2026 9:45 pm, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
Why are you asking him, Felix? He knows exactly as much about them
as you do, which is whatever Google tells you :)
I'm pretty sure he knows more than I.
You'd be wrong Felix. He doesn't know any more about them than you
can discover yourself. Did you not get the "google" part?
anyhow, it's a public forum. comments are addressed to everyone
Yeah, no they're not. You were replying to him directly. Not asking a
broad general question to everyone :)
There is no such an animal as a one on one private conversation in
usenet. You post, ergo you are *inviting comment* and *participation*
from the world at large. You, the poster, do not get to choose the participants and, importantly, you don't even get to *exclude*
participants - as you have discovered to your eternal chagrin.
Clocky wrote:
On 5/06/2026 8:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 5/06/2026 9:45 pm, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
Why are you asking him, Felix? He knows exactly as much about them
as you do, which is whatever Google tells you :)
I'm pretty sure he knows more than I.
You'd be wrong Felix. He doesn't know any more about them than you
can discover yourself. Did you not get the "google" part?
anyhow, it's a public forum. comments are addressed to everyone
Yeah, no they're not.
Oh yes they are.
of course they are, as everyone on usenet knows, except him apparently, subject to below comment
That's how *public* forums work. That you still fail to grasp this
after so many decades just points to a lifelong learning disability
which would, of course, explain why you never completed schooling or
an apprenticeship.
learning disability, or stupidity, or he's being dishonest and contentious
On 5/06/2026 8:36 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 5/6/2026 8:04 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
There aren't many pretty cars around.
Very true.
Ferrari just released their first EV, saying that the styling is
controversial is an understatement.
It's fucking hideous. It looks like a toy :)
On 5/06/2026 10:50 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 5/6/2026 10:48 pm, Noddy wrote:In this case, the vast majority of beholders say ugly.
On 5/06/2026 8:36 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 5/6/2026 8:04 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
There aren't many pretty cars around.
Very true.
Ferrari just released their first EV, saying that the styling is
controversial is an understatement.
It's fucking hideous. It looks like a toy :)
Beauty, as always, is in the eye of the beholder.
Xeno wrote:
On 5/6/2026 10:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 5/06/2026 9:45 pm, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
Why are you asking him, Felix? He knows exactly as much about them
as you do, which is whatever Google tells you :)
I'm pretty sure he knows more than I.
You'd be wrong Felix. He doesn't know any more about them than you
can discover yourself. Did you not get the "google" part?
anyhow, it's a public forum. comments are addressed to everyone
Yeah, no they're not. You were replying to him directly. Not asking a
broad general question to everyone :)
There is no such an animal as a one on one private conversation in
usenet. You post, ergo you are *inviting comment* and *participation*
from the world at large. You, the poster, do not get to choose the
participants and, importantly, you don't even get to *exclude*
participants - as you have discovered to your eternal chagrin.
you can exclude by blocking, of course
On 5/6/2026 10:48 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 5/06/2026 8:36 pm, Daryl wrote:I don't mind the basic shape but the wheels make it look stupid, 23"
On 5/6/2026 8:04 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
There aren't many pretty cars around.
Very true.
Ferrari just released their first EV, saying that the styling is
controversial is an understatement.
It's fucking hideous. It looks like a toy :)
front and 24" rear looks hideous, semis only have 22" so WTF were they thinking.
On 6/6/2026 10:57 am, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:Yes but that doesn't stop the *message* getting out onto usenet.
On 5/6/2026 10:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 5/06/2026 9:45 pm, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
Why are you asking him, Felix? He knows exactly as much about
them as you do, which is whatever Google tells you :)
I'm pretty sure he knows more than I.
You'd be wrong Felix. He doesn't know any more about them than you
can discover yourself. Did you not get the "google" part?
anyhow, it's a public forum. comments are addressed to everyone
Yeah, no they're not. You were replying to him directly. Not asking
a broad general question to everyone :)
There is no such an animal as a one on one private conversation in
usenet. You post, ergo you are *inviting comment* and
*participation* from the world at large. You, the poster, do not get
to choose the participants and, importantly, you don't even get to
*exclude* participants - as you have discovered to your eternal
chagrin.
you can exclude by blocking, of course
Blocking is the equivalent of sticking fingers into one's ears and childishly singing la la la la!
On 6/6/2026 8:52 am, Noddy wrote:
On 6/06/2026 1:17 am, Clocky wrote:No it doesn't and both *Clocky* and *I* just proved it.
On 5/06/2026 8:46 pm, Noddy wrote:No one was asking you, so shut the fuck up.
anyhow, it's a public forum. comments are addressed to everyone
Yeah, no they're not.
Oh yes they are.
*That's* how it works.
All you managed to prove is that you have no idea on proper and
meaningful discourse. That, however, has been patently obvious from the
get go!>
Noddy wrote:
third things: if opinions are factual they become relevant. noddy's
rarely are
On 5/6/2026 10:48 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 5/06/2026 8:36 pm, Daryl wrote:I don't mind the basic shape but the wheels make it look stupid, 23"
On 5/6/2026 8:04 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
There aren't many pretty cars around.
Very true.
Ferrari just released their first EV, saying that the styling is
controversial is an understatement.
It's fucking hideous. It looks like a toy :)
front and 24" rear looks hideous, semis only have 22" so WTF were they thinking.
There is no such an animal as a one on one private conversation in
usenet. You post, ergo you are *inviting comment* and *participation*
from the world at large. You, the poster, do not get to choose the
participants and, importantly, you don't even get to *exclude*
participants - as you have discovered to your eternal chagrin.
you can exclude by blocking, of course
On 6/06/2026 6:52 am, Noddy wrote:ROTFL :)
No one was asking you, so shut the fuck up.
Oh yes they are.
*That's* how it works.
Put your cap gun away sheriff,
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-denzas- set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
On 6/06/2026 1:14 am, Clocky wrote:
On 5/06/2026 6:07 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 5/06/2026 6:32 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 5/06/2026 3:08 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 5/06/2026 12:17 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
Those days are fast disappearing, especially with Hybrids and EVs >>>>>>> since there *needs* to be training with those, especially given >>>>>>> the high voltages present, and that will also push the need for >>>>>>> licencing as well.
is electrocution possible from working on them?
Why are you asking him, Felix? He knows exactly as much about them
as you do, which is whatever Google tells you :)
You can't even comprehend what Google tells you boy so insults are
all you have left.
And yet here you are responding to comment that isn't even directed
at you. So what's the story? Desperate for attention, or just no one
else to play with?
Fucking idiot.....
Since you have no standing here your opinion is wholly irrelevant.
Two things:
Firstly, irrelevant or not it doesn't change the fact that despite all
your pissing and moaning you hardly ever miss an opportunity to reply, > and secondly when it comes to irrelevance in this group you're the
poster boy which would go some way to explaining why you waste so much
time replying to someone you can't stand :)
Like I said, you're a fucking idiot.
On 6/06/2026 10:57 am, Axel wrote:
There is no such an animal as a one on one private conversation in
usenet. You post, ergo you are *inviting comment* and *participation*
from the world at large. You, the poster, do not get to choose the
participants and, importantly, you don't even get to *exclude*
participants - as you have discovered to your eternal chagrin.
you can exclude by blocking, of course
Yes, you n*can* felix. And as much as you piss and moan about me and everything I say you choose to *not* take advantage of that feature
yourself which is about as bizarre as someone who repeatedly hits
themselves in the head with a hammer just so they can complain about how much it hurts.
On 2/06/2026 9:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-denzas-
set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
**10 week wait for BYD cars. 9 months to 4 years for Toyotas.
Which would you prefer?
On 6/06/2026 1:10 am, Clocky wrote:
On 5/06/2026 7:51 pm, Axel wrote:It wasn't bought for it's looks, that was the least of concerns.
Clocky wrote:
On 5/06/2026 10:29 am, Axel wrote:
Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
On 5/6/2026 11:58 am, Axel wrote:
Keithr0 wrote:He recently bought it new..
On 5/06/2026 11:13 am, Axel wrote:
Keithr0 wrote:RAV 4 Cruiser
On 4/06/2026 10:40 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:59 pm, Keithr0 wrote:In the 6 months that I have had the car, I'm yet to see an >>>>>>>>>>> update.
On 4/06/2026 7:54 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 4/6/2026 9:41 am, Keithr0 wrote:Not in Australia
On 3/06/2026 10:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Yes?
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are.
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new Ranger in 2016 and it automatically connected >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to his home wifi as soon as he drove in his driveway. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy to turn off and on but I don't know if that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be done.
It can be on the current Ranger. It only really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exists for the things to do live updates, which it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checks for in my case every day at 2am. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may be listening on a continuous basis for voice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commands.
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected to the internet.
If you have a phone connected, the car can use its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cellular connection.
Yes.
-aFrom Toyota
The Toyota Corolla uses satellite connections and standard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> terrestrial mobile networks (4G/5G) in three primary ways: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Satellite Radio (SiriusXM): Corolla models equipped with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> premium audio packages support SiriusXM, which receives >>>>>>>>>>>>>> live audio entertainment directly from satellites.GPS >>>>>>>>>>>>>
One of the many OS arrangements we don't get. I have never >>>>>>>>>>>> missed it. ;-)>
Navigation: The Corolla's in-car navigation system uses >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the GPS (Global Positioning System) satellite network to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pinpoint your exact location for turn-by-turn routing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>How else?
Connected Services (4G/5G Cellular): For connected >>>>>>>>>>>>>> features like dynamic cloud navigation, live traffic >>>>>>>>>>>>>> updates, SOS emergency calling, and remote start/lock via >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the myToyota app, the vehicle relies on a built-in Data >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communication Module (DCM). This relies on terrestrial >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4G/5G cellular networks, not satellites
Toyota has a long term arrangement with Telstra that will >>>>>>>>>>>> expire when 4G and 5G cellular arrangements cease. The >>>>>>>>>>>> satellites are one way here, receive only as far as the car >>>>>>>>>>>> is concerned.>>
If you are thinking about music or podcasts, you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> access satellite radio directly.
Not in Australia
Not a bummer for me. I don't think we ever had satellite >>>>>>>>>>>> radio in this country. >
If you want to use your smartphone's navigation, you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bypass the car's built-in system entirely by using Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>> CarPlay or Android Auto.
As I do.
As most people do.>
My Toyota software updates fail when the car is in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> garage - poor satellite and cellular reception in there. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Oh dear.
Yes, when I go outside the garage, and I get more than a >>>>>>>>>>>> single bar, the updates happen, likely due to the
arrangement Toyota Australia has with Telstra 4G/5G.
what car?
current model?
so yes is the answer then
https://www.toyota.com.au/rav4
nice
Looks like everything else in that market segment, boring. At least
it should be fairly reliable and retain decent resale value being a
Toyota so that is a plus.
actually it's this one.. https://www.drive.com.au/cars-for-sale/
car/970184784
Seems to be a race to mediocrity, they all look like they were stamped
out at the same factory.
On 6/6/2026 2:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 2/06/2026 9:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Toyota
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-
denzas- set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
**10 week wait for BYD cars. 9 months to 4 years for Toyotas.
Which would you prefer?
On 6/6/2026 2:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 2/06/2026 9:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Toyota
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-denzas-
set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
**10 week wait for BYD cars. 9 months to 4 years for Toyotas.
Which would you prefer?
Xeno wrote:
On 6/6/2026 2:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 2/06/2026 9:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Toyota
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-denzas- >>>> set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
**10 week wait for BYD cars. 9 months to 4 years for Toyotas.
Which would you prefer?
I didn't have to wait for the ZS
On 6/06/2026 11:29 am, Daryl wrote:Not as bad as this though
On 5/6/2026 10:48 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 5/06/2026 8:36 pm, Daryl wrote:I don't mind the basic shape but the wheels make it look stupid, 23"
On 5/6/2026 8:04 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
There aren't many pretty cars around.
Very true.
Ferrari just released their first EV, saying that the styling is
controversial is an understatement.
It's fucking hideous. It looks like a toy :)
front and 24" rear looks hideous, semis only have 22" so WTF were they
thinking.
To me the whole thing is atrocious. It looks comical.
On 6/06/2026 10:31 am, Axel wrote:Opinions are just opinions, most do not relate to truthfulness.
Noddy wrote:
third things: if opinions are factual they become relevant. noddy's
rarely are
That made about as much sense as anything else you come up with, which
is fuck all.
On 6/6/2026 1:45 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 6/06/2026 10:57 am, Axel wrote:
There is no such an animal as a one on one private conversation in
usenet. You post, ergo you are *inviting comment* and
*participation* from the world at large. You, the poster, do not get
to choose the participants and, importantly, you don't even get to
*exclude* participants - as you have discovered to your eternal
chagrin.
you can exclude by blocking, of course
Yes, you n*can* felix. And as much as you piss and moan about me and
everything I say you choose to *not* take advantage of that feature
yourself which is about as bizarre as someone who repeatedly hits
themselves in the head with a hammer just so they can complain about
how much it hurts.
Yeah Darren, you *say* you block me but all the evidence, and there is a heap of that, points to you reading every single thing I post. FFS, I'm
even having an influence on your scribblings.
On 2/06/2026 9:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:I waited 7 weeks for my Toyota late last year.
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-denzas-
set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
**10 week wait for BYD cars. 9 months to 4 years for Toyotas.
Which would you prefer?
On 5/6/2026 3:44 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 5/06/2026 12:57 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 5/6/2026 12:17 pm, Axel wrote:I've worked on such voltages without any of that gear, back in the day,
Xeno wrote:
On 5/6/2026 11:04 am, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:They were the days when frauds like Darren could get away with
On 4/6/2026 9:41 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 10:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Yes?
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:If you have a phone connected, the car can use its cellular >>>>>>>>> connection.
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are. >>>>>>>>>
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be >>>>>>>>>>>> listening on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ranger in 2016 and it automatically connected to his home >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wifi as soon as he drove in his driveway.It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for >>>>>>>>>>>>> the things to do live updates, which it checks for in my >>>>>>>>>>>>> case every day at 2am.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to turn off and on but I don't know if that can be done. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to >>>>>>>>>>> the internet.
Yes.
From Toyota
The Toyota Corolla uses satellite connections and standard
terrestrial mobile networks (4G/5G) in three primary ways:
Satellite Radio (SiriusXM): Corolla models equipped with premium >>>>>>> audio packages support SiriusXM, which receives live audio
entertainment directly from satellites.GPS
Navigation: The Corolla's in-car navigation system uses the GPS >>>>>>> (Global Positioning System) satellite network to pinpoint your
exact location for turn-by-turn routing.
Connected Services (4G/5G Cellular): For connected features like >>>>>>> dynamic cloud navigation, live traffic updates, SOS emergency
calling, and remote start/lock via the myToyota app, the vehicle >>>>>>> relies on a built-in Data Communication Module (DCM). This relies >>>>>>> on terrestrial 4G/5G cellular networks, not satellites
If you are thinking about music or podcasts, you can access
satellite radio directly. If you want to use your smartphone's
navigation, you can bypass the car's built-in system entirely by >>>>>>> using Apple CarPlay or Android Auto.
My Toyota software updates fail when the car is in the garage - >>>>>>> poor satellite and cellular reception in there.
I remember the days when cars were just cars..
calling themselves a mechanic without ever having any training or
qualifications.
they were the days when you could fix your car with a screwdriver
and a pair of pliers (almost)
Indeed.>
With 200-800 Volts *DC* or *AC* floating around in all those *orange*Those days are fast disappearing, especially with Hybrids and EVs
since there *needs* to be training with those, especially given the >>>>> high voltages present, and that will also push the need for
licencing as well.
is electrocution possible from working on them?
coloured wires, I'd give that a distinct yes vote. Especially DC volts.
In Australia, an unlicensed person is generally prohibited from doing
anything with any fixed wiring or electrical work connected to the
grid. The absolute limit for unregulated DIY interaction is Extra Low
Voltage (ELV) - up to 50V AC or 120V ripple-free DC. Anything above
this is legally defined as Low Voltage (up to 1,000 AC/1,500DC and
requires a licensed electrician. The blurring here is that the legal
definition clearly states "connected to the grid". My hybrid is never
connected to the grid and EVs only whilst charging. That said, in
Australia, instead of electrical licensing, automotive mechanics must
hold a specific high voltage) automotive qualification or a
manufacturer specific certification. A mechanic I know here has the
Toyota Certification. My mate used to take his Prius there before he
got too old to drive and gave his car to his daughter.
Basically, there's a whole lot of new technology to learn about and
new ways/tools to deal with it. Like this;
https://voltsafety.com.au/product/volt-safety-electrical-insulated-
glove-kit-class-0-1000v
from 3 pages of electric vehicle safety gear;
https://voltsafety.com.au/product-category/electrical-vehicle-ev-ppe
Not my field, I stayed well away. I had to deal with sub 50Volts in
typical vehicles. Also, many dealership workshops had a 32V wiring
system for, typically, lead lights rather than the 240 volt units.
Nowadays a rechargeable fluro type or LED is common.
you just had to be careful and use you brain. DC is worse than AC,
I laugh at your 2nd point. A lot of people mustn't have had a brain - because they are dead.
The 3rd point, well, in the EV at 800V, it's the combination of current *and* voltage that will kill you.
Skin resistance is what keeps the
current low and voltage is what pushes the current through the skin.
Only need something to lower skin resistance (sweating?) and you might
find yourself in deep shit. I just looked it up, sweating can reduce
skin resistance by 98%. Hmmm, I knew there was a difference but didn't
think it was that much.
Anyhow, 400-800V is more than enough to push through skin resistance and
the typical EV battery more than capable of supplying hundreds if not thousand of amps in a short circuit situation. Even 12V is enough to
flow enough current to melt a watchband or a ring. Just accidentally
drop a spanner across 24V and earth, bye bye spanner.
depending on the polarity, it may cause you to be thrown away, or, in
the worse case, it can make your muscles contract, causing you to grab
the live point and unable to let go.
Yep, that's what we were taught in school - high school. >
on the site were I did my apprenticeship, some idiot had disabled the
safety interlock on the door to a radar modulator cabinet. He walked
in, and the 15Kv arced over to the steel rule in his leg pocket. He
was lucky not to lose that leg (and stay alive).
Now you know why I never wore watches, rings or jewellery when I was
working and, to this day, still do not. All too easy to get too close to something "hot" without realising it.
But you don't need to be wearing or carrying any hardware to be at risk
when you're dealing with high voltages. One of my electrician friends
had an arc to his hand over a 1 foot distance from, IIRC, either a 3.3KV
or a 33KV line. Burnt the shit out of his hand but didn't travel up his
arm through his body. Instead it passed through his hand to what he had
hid hand on. He said it was dust combined with humidity, nasty combination.
On 5/06/2026 6:23 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 5/6/2026 3:44 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 5/06/2026 12:57 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 5/6/2026 12:17 pm, Axel wrote:I've worked on such voltages without any of that gear, back in the day,
Xeno wrote:
On 5/6/2026 11:04 am, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:They were the days when frauds like Darren could get away with
On 4/6/2026 9:41 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 3/06/2026 10:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 3/6/2026 1:12 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Yes?
On 3/06/2026 12:09 pm, Daryl wrote:If you have a phone connected, the car can use its cellular >>>>>>>>>> connection.
On 3/6/2026 9:24 am, Keithr0 wrote:If you are using anything like Waze or Google maps, you are. >>>>>>>>>>
On 3/06/2026 9:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 3/06/2026 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:If you have Android Auto or Apple Carplay, the car may be >>>>>>>>>>>>> listening on a continuous basis for voice commands.
Car connectivity isn't exactly new, son bought a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ranger in 2016 and it automatically connected to his home >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wifi as soon as he drove in his driveway.It can be on the current Ranger. It only really exists for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the things to do live updates, which it checks for in my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> case every day at 2am.
I wouldn't consider it to be a problem provided its easy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to turn off and on but I don't know if that can be done. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Which shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't connected to >>>>>>>>>>>> the internet.
Yes.
From Toyota
The Toyota Corolla uses satellite connections and standard
terrestrial mobile networks (4G/5G) in three primary ways:
Satellite Radio (SiriusXM): Corolla models equipped with premium >>>>>>>> audio packages support SiriusXM, which receives live audio
entertainment directly from satellites.GPS
Navigation: The Corolla's in-car navigation system uses the GPS >>>>>>>> (Global Positioning System) satellite network to pinpoint your >>>>>>>> exact location for turn-by-turn routing.
Connected Services (4G/5G Cellular): For connected features like >>>>>>>> dynamic cloud navigation, live traffic updates, SOS emergency >>>>>>>> calling, and remote start/lock via the myToyota app, the vehicle >>>>>>>> relies on a built-in Data Communication Module (DCM). This
relies on terrestrial 4G/5G cellular networks, not satellites
If you are thinking about music or podcasts, you can access
satellite radio directly. If you want to use your smartphone's >>>>>>>> navigation, you can bypass the car's built-in system entirely by >>>>>>>> using Apple CarPlay or Android Auto.
My Toyota software updates fail when the car is in the garage - >>>>>>>> poor satellite and cellular reception in there.
I remember the days when cars were just cars..
calling themselves a mechanic without ever having any training or >>>>>> qualifications.
they were the days when you could fix your car with a screwdriver
and a pair of pliers (almost)
Indeed.>
With 200-800 Volts *DC* or *AC* floating around in all thoseThose days are fast disappearing, especially with Hybrids and EVs >>>>>> since there *needs* to be training with those, especially given
the high voltages present, and that will also push the need for
licencing as well.
is electrocution possible from working on them?
*orange* coloured wires, I'd give that a distinct yes vote.
Especially DC volts.
In Australia, an unlicensed person is generally prohibited from
doing anything with any fixed wiring or electrical work connected to
the grid. The absolute limit for unregulated DIY interaction is
Extra Low Voltage (ELV) - up to 50V AC or 120V ripple-free DC.
Anything above this is legally defined as Low Voltage (up to 1,000
AC/1,500DC and requires a licensed electrician. The blurring here is
that the legal definition clearly states "connected to the grid". My
hybrid is never connected to the grid and EVs only whilst charging.
That said, in Australia, instead of electrical licensing, automotive
mechanics must hold a specific high voltage) automotive
qualification or a manufacturer specific certification. A mechanic I
know here has the Toyota Certification. My mate used to take his
Prius there before he got too old to drive and gave his car to his
daughter.
Basically, there's a whole lot of new technology to learn about and
new ways/tools to deal with it. Like this;
https://voltsafety.com.au/product/volt-safety-electrical-insulated-
glove-kit-class-0-1000v
from 3 pages of electric vehicle safety gear;
https://voltsafety.com.au/product-category/electrical-vehicle-ev-ppe
Not my field, I stayed well away. I had to deal with sub 50Volts in
typical vehicles. Also, many dealership workshops had a 32V wiring
system for, typically, lead lights rather than the 240 volt units.
Nowadays a rechargeable fluro type or LED is common.
you just had to be careful and use you brain. DC is worse than AC,
I laugh at your 2nd point. A lot of people mustn't have had a brain -
because they are dead.
The 3rd point, well, in the EV at 800V, it's the combination of
current *and* voltage that will kill you.
Nope, it is current that kills you, voltage is just what pushes the
current through (provided that the source is capable of supplying enough current). The fatal amount of current can be quite small, a matter of
tens of milliamps. The very worst is supposed to be 2Kv hand to hand,
higher voltages tend to run across the skin rather than through the body.
Skin resistance is what keeps the current low and voltage is what
pushes the current through the skin. Only need something to lower skin
resistance (sweating?) and you might find yourself in deep shit. I
just looked it up, sweating can reduce skin resistance by 98%. Hmmm, I
knew there was a difference but didn't think it was that much.
Anyhow, 400-800V is more than enough to push through skin resistance
and the typical EV battery more than capable of supplying hundreds if
not thousand of amps in a short circuit situation. Even 12V is enough
to flow enough current to melt a watchband or a ring. Just
accidentally drop a spanner across 24V and earth, bye bye spanner.
depending on the polarity, it may cause you to be thrown away, or, in
the worse case, it can make your muscles contract, causing you to
grab the live point and unable to let go.
Yep, that's what we were taught in school - high school. >
on the site were I did my apprenticeship, some idiot had disabled the
safety interlock on the door to a radar modulator cabinet. He walked
in, and the 15Kv arced over to the steel rule in his leg pocket. He
was lucky not to lose that leg (and stay alive).
Now you know why I never wore watches, rings or jewellery when I was
working and, to this day, still do not. All too easy to get too close
to something "hot" without realising it.
Get a gold ring between two bus bars, and you have a blob of gold and
half a finger. Telephone exchanges used to be the worst, only 50v but capable if hundreds of amps, I've heard stories of spanners melting when dropped across the bus bars.
But you don't need to be wearing or carrying any hardware to be atThe chances of him getting close and personal with a 33Kv line are nil unless he was a linesman with a power company, similar for a 3.3Kv line.
risk when you're dealing with high voltages. One of my electrician
friends had an arc to his hand over a 1 foot distance from, IIRC,
either a 3.3KV or a 33KV line. Burnt the shit out of his hand but
didn't travel up his arm through his body. Instead it passed through
his hand to what he had hid hand on. He said it was dust combined with
humidity, nasty combination.
The highest voltage that a normal sparky will come into contact with is
440 volts phase to phase on a 3 phase system.
On 2/06/2026 9:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-denzas-
set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
**10 week wait for BYD cars. 9 months to 4 years for Toyotas.
Which would you prefer?
Xeno wrote:
On 6/6/2026 2:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 2/06/2026 9:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Toyota
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-
denzas- set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
**10 week wait for BYD cars. 9 months to 4 years for Toyotas.
Which would you prefer?
I didn't have to wait for the ZS
On 6/06/2026 1:43 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 6/06/2026 11:29 am, Daryl wrote:Not as bad as this though
On 5/6/2026 10:48 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 5/06/2026 8:36 pm, Daryl wrote:I don't mind the basic shape but the wheels make it look stupid, 23"
On 5/6/2026 8:04 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
There aren't many pretty cars around.
Very true.
Ferrari just released their first EV, saying that the styling is
controversial is an understatement.
It's fucking hideous. It looks like a toy :)
front and 24" rear looks hideous, semis only have 22" so WTF were
they thinking.
To me the whole thing is atrocious. It looks comical.
https://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/2024/12/ _DSC2135_K3mKm53N_0_0.jpg?w=583&h=328
On 6/06/2026 2:37 pm, Xeno wrote:
Yeah Darren, you *say* you block me but all the evidence, and there isOn what evidence?
a heap of that, points to you reading every single thing I post. FFS,
I'm even having an influence on your scribblings.
On 6/06/2026 5:03 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
On 6/6/2026 2:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 2/06/2026 9:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Toyota
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-
denzas- set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
**10 week wait for BYD cars. 9 months to 4 years for Toyotas.
Which would you prefer?
I didn't have to wait for the ZS
I wonder why? :)
On 6/06/2026 5:36 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 6/06/2026 2:37 pm, Xeno wrote:
Yeah Darren, you *say* you block me but all the evidence, and thereOn what evidence?
is a heap of that, points to you reading every single thing I post.
FFS, I'm even having an influence on your scribblings.
The "evidence" that exists nowhere else but in his head. Like all his
other "evidence" :)
He's been making this ridiculous claim for years, as apparently his ego refuses to allow him to accept that there are people who couldn't give
the slightest shit about anything he says. I've made it abundantly clear
to him on *many* occasions that I'm not interested in his opinion on
anything, and yet the imbecilic cunt *still* replies to my every comment
as if we're buddies who are actively engaged in regular conversation.
Lindsay picked it from day one. It's unrequited love. Nothing more :)
On 6/6/2026 7:33 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 6/06/2026 5:36 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 6/06/2026 2:37 pm, Xeno wrote:
Yeah Darren, you *say* you block me but all the evidence, and thereOn what evidence?
is a heap of that, points to you reading every single thing I post.
FFS, I'm even having an influence on your scribblings.
The "evidence" that exists nowhere else but in his head. Like all his
other "evidence" :)
He's been making this ridiculous claim for years, as apparently his
ego refuses to allow him to accept that there are people who couldn't
give the slightest shit about anything he says. I've made it
abundantly clear to him on *many* occasions that I'm not interested in
his opinion on
Yet you replied directly to my posts - often.
anything, and yet the imbecilic cunt *still* replies to my everySee, you're talking about me - again.
comment as if we're buddies who are actively engaged in regular
conversation.
Lindsay picked it from day one. It's unrequited love. Nothing more :)
Axel <none@not.here> wrote:Nobody else in Australia wanted poverty pack Corolla in a plain white wrapping.
Xeno wrote:
On 6/6/2026 2:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 2/06/2026 9:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Toyota
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-denzas- >>>>> set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
**10 week wait for BYD cars. 9 months to 4 years for Toyotas.
Which would you prefer?
I didn't have to wait for the ZS
Nor I the Corolla. It was on the floor, the colour I wanted, more bits and bobs than I wanted, ready to roll!
On 6/06/2026 1:17 am, Clocky wrote:
On 5/06/2026 8:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
No one was asking you, so shut the fuck up.
anyhow, it's a public forum. comments are addressed to everyone
Yeah, no they're not.
Oh yes they are.
*That's* how it works.
On 6/06/2026 5:47 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 5/06/2026 6:23 pm, Xeno wrote:
Yep. Once again the "teacher" proves that his personal knowledge is extremely lacking :)The 3rd point, well, in the EV at 800V, it's the combination of
current *and* voltage that will kill you.
Nope, it is current that kills you, voltage is just what pushes the
current through (provided that the source is capable of supplying
enough current). The fatal amount of current can be quite small, a
matter of tens of milliamps. The very worst is supposed to be 2Kv hand
to hand, higher voltages tend to run across the skin rather than
through the body.
Noddy wrote:
On 6/06/2026 1:17 am, Clocky wrote:
On 5/06/2026 8:46 pm, Noddy wrote:No one was asking you, so shut the fuck up.
anyhow, it's a public forum. comments are addressed to everyone
Yeah, no they're not.
Oh yes they are.
*That's* how it works.
You just gotta laugh.
On 6/06/2026 8:07 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 6/06/2026 5:15 pm, Xeno wrote:
Nor I the Corolla. It was on the floor, the colour I wanted, more
bits and
bobs than I wanted, ready to roll!
Nobody else in Australia wanted poverty pack Corolla in a plain white
wrapping.
That about sums it up. The popular choices have nil stocks :)
On 6/6/2026 7:28 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 6/06/2026 5:47 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 5/06/2026 6:23 pm, Xeno wrote:Yep. Once again the "teacher" proves that his personal knowledge is
The 3rd point, well, in the EV at 800V, it's the combination of
current *and* voltage that will kill you.
Nope, it is current that kills you, voltage is just what pushes the
current through (provided that the source is capable of supplying
enough current). The fatal amount of current can be quite small, a
matter of tens of milliamps. The very worst is supposed to be 2Kv
hand to hand, higher voltages tend to run across the skin rather than
through the body.
extremely lacking :)
Sorry Darren, you need both depending on the *resistance*. Skin
resistance is up to 98% less when wet. I'm sure I mentioned that? You
can get sufficient current from a 1.5V dry cell to kill a person but
there are caveats.
The current flow is determined by voltage and resistance.
I don't expect you to get this since you never did well in school nor
did you do any apprenticeships ever so I won't harp on it to you - you
don't get it, you won't get it! Pointless you see.
On 6/6/2026 8:05 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 6/06/2026 7:49 pm, Xeno wrote:There was one very recently, Darren even responded when I called him out
On 6/6/2026 7:33 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 6/06/2026 5:36 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 6/06/2026 2:37 pm, Xeno wrote:
Yeah Darren, you *say* you block me but all the evidence, andOn what evidence?
there is a heap of that, points to you reading every single thing >>>>>> I post. FFS, I'm even having an influence on your scribblings.
The "evidence" that exists nowhere else but in his head. Like all
his other "evidence" :)
He's been making this ridiculous claim for years, as apparently his
ego refuses to allow him to accept that there are people who
couldn't give the slightest shit about anything he says. I've made
it abundantly clear to him on *many* occasions that I'm not
interested in his opinion on
Yet you replied directly to my posts - often.
Some examples?
anything, and yet the imbecilic cunt *still* replies to my everySee, you're talking about me - again.
comment as if we're buddies who are actively engaged in regular
conversation.
Lindsay picked it from day one. It's unrequited love. Nothing more :)
on it. I made it very clear at the time. Go look it up!
On 6/06/2026 9:02 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 6/6/2026 8:05 pm, Keithr0 wrote:You made the assertion, up to you to find it.
On 6/06/2026 7:49 pm, Xeno wrote:There was one very recently, Darren even responded when I called him
On 6/6/2026 7:33 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 6/06/2026 5:36 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 6/06/2026 2:37 pm, Xeno wrote:
Yeah Darren, you *say* you block me but all the evidence, andOn what evidence?
there is a heap of that, points to you reading every single thing >>>>>>> I post. FFS, I'm even having an influence on your scribblings.
The "evidence" that exists nowhere else but in his head. Like all
his other "evidence" :)
He's been making this ridiculous claim for years, as apparently his >>>>> ego refuses to allow him to accept that there are people who
couldn't give the slightest shit about anything he says. I've made
it abundantly clear to him on *many* occasions that I'm not
interested in his opinion on
Yet you replied directly to my posts - often.
Some examples?
anything, and yet the imbecilic cunt *still* replies to my everySee, you're talking about me - again.
comment as if we're buddies who are actively engaged in regular
conversation.
Lindsay picked it from day one. It's unrequited love. Nothing more :) >>>>>
out on it. I made it very clear at the time. Go look it up!
On 6/06/2026 9:00 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 6/6/2026 7:28 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 6/06/2026 5:47 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 5/06/2026 6:23 pm, Xeno wrote:Yep. Once again the "teacher" proves that his personal knowledge is
The 3rd point, well, in the EV at 800V, it's the combination of
current *and* voltage that will kill you.
Nope, it is current that kills you, voltage is just what pushes the
current through (provided that the source is capable of supplying
enough current). The fatal amount of current can be quite small, a
matter of tens of milliamps. The very worst is supposed to be 2Kv
hand to hand, higher voltages tend to run across the skin rather
than through the body.
extremely lacking :)
Sorry Darren, you need both depending on the *resistance*. Skin
resistance is up to 98% less when wet. I'm sure I mentioned that? You
can get sufficient current from a 1.5V dry cell to kill a person but
there are caveats.
The biggest one being that a 1.5v dry cell cannot supply enough current
due to it's internal resistance.
The current flow is determined by voltage and resistance.
Wow,you've head of Ohm's law I = V/R
I don't expect you to get this since you never did well in school nor
did you do any apprenticeships ever so I won't harp on it to you - you
don't get it, you won't get it! Pointless you see.
On 6/06/2026 9:00 pm, Xeno wrote:
Sorry Darren, you need both depending on the *resistance*. Skin
resistance is up to 98% less when wet. I'm sure I mentioned that? You
can get sufficient current from a 1.5V dry cell to kill a person but
there are caveats.
The biggest one being that a 1.5v dry cell cannot supply enough current
due to it's internal resistance.
On 6/6/2026 7:28 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 6/06/2026 5:47 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 5/06/2026 6:23 pm, Xeno wrote:Yep. Once again the "teacher" proves that his personal knowledge is
The 3rd point, well, in the EV at 800V, it's the combination of
current *and* voltage that will kill you.
Nope, it is current that kills you, voltage is just what pushes the
current through (provided that the source is capable of supplying
enough current). The fatal amount of current can be quite small, a
matter of tens of milliamps. The very worst is supposed to be 2Kv
hand to hand, higher voltages tend to run across the skin rather
than through the body.
extremely lacking :)
Sorry Darren, you need both depending on the *resistance*. Skin
resistance is up to 98% less when wet. I'm sure I mentioned that? You
can get sufficient current from a 1.5V dry cell to kill a person
but there are caveats. The current flow is determined by voltage and resistance.
I don't expect you to get this since you never did well in school nor
did you do any apprenticeships ever so I won't harp on it to you - you
don't get it, you won't get it! Pointless you see.
On 6/6/2026 10:19 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 6/06/2026 10:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 6/6/2026 10:11 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Copout, much as expected. Nothing new there.
On 6/06/2026 9:02 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 6/6/2026 8:05 pm, Keithr0 wrote:You made the assertion, up to you to find it.
On 6/06/2026 7:49 pm, Xeno wrote:There was one very recently, Darren even responded when I called
On 6/6/2026 7:33 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 6/06/2026 5:36 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 6/06/2026 2:37 pm, Xeno wrote:
Yeah Darren, you *say* you block me but all the evidence, and >>>>>>>>>> there is a heap of that, points to you reading every single >>>>>>>>>> thing I post. FFS, I'm even having an influence on yourOn what evidence?
scribblings.
The "evidence" that exists nowhere else but in his head. Like >>>>>>>> all his other "evidence" :)
He's been making this ridiculous claim for years, as apparently >>>>>>>> his ego refuses to allow him to accept that there are people who >>>>>>>> couldn't give the slightest shit about anything he says. I've >>>>>>>> made it abundantly clear to him on *many* occasions that I'm not >>>>>>>> interested in his opinion on
Yet you replied directly to my posts - often.
Some examples?
anything, and yet the imbecilic cunt *still* replies to my every >>>>>>>> comment as if we're buddies who are actively engaged in regular >>>>>>>> conversation.See, you're talking about me - again.
Lindsay picked it from day one. It's unrequited love. Nothing >>>>>>>> more :)
him out on it. I made it very clear at the time. Go look it up!
And I made the comment at the time. It's now on you to find it.
No copout, Darren even responded at the time - and it wasn't very long
ago. Off you go then, hunt away! Remember, you're finding a comment *I* made.
On 6/06/2026 10:23 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 6/06/2026 9:53 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 6/6/2026 9:15 pm, Noddy wrote:Some do, I had to wait for the RAV4 because there were none available
On 6/06/2026 8:07 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Odd, popular Toyotas sell in days.
On 6/06/2026 5:15 pm, Xeno wrote:
Nor I the Corolla. It was on the floor, the colour I wanted, more >>>>>> bits and
bobs than I wanted, ready to roll!
Nobody else in Australia wanted poverty pack Corolla in a plain
white wrapping.
That about sums it up. The popular choices have nil stocks :)
in Australia, the last batch of 2025 models sold before they hit the
docks. Not so much with poverty pack Corollas though.
Who'd want one?
On 7/06/2026 12:34 am, Noddy wrote:
On 6/06/2026 10:23 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Someone desperate for anonymity?
On 6/06/2026 9:53 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 6/6/2026 9:15 pm, Noddy wrote:Some do, I had to wait for the RAV4 because there were none available
On 6/06/2026 8:07 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Odd, popular Toyotas sell in days.
On 6/06/2026 5:15 pm, Xeno wrote:
Nor I the Corolla. It was on the floor, the colour I wanted, more >>>>>>> bits and
bobs than I wanted, ready to roll!
Nobody else in Australia wanted poverty pack Corolla in a plain
white wrapping.
That about sums it up. The popular choices have nil stocks :)
in Australia, the last batch of 2025 models sold before they hit the
docks. Not so much with poverty pack Corollas though.
Who'd want one?
Xeno wrote:
On 6/6/2026 7:28 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 6/06/2026 5:47 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 5/06/2026 6:23 pm, Xeno wrote:Yep. Once again the "teacher" proves that his personal knowledge is
The 3rd point, well, in the EV at 800V, it's the combination of
current *and* voltage that will kill you.
Nope, it is current that kills you, voltage is just what pushes the
current through (provided that the source is capable of supplying
enough current). The fatal amount of current can be quite small, a
matter of tens of milliamps. The very worst is supposed to be 2Kv
hand to hand, higher voltages tend to run across the skin rather
than through the body.
extremely lacking :)
Sorry Darren, you need both depending on the *resistance*. Skin
resistance is up to 98% less when wet. I'm sure I mentioned that? You
can get sufficient current from a 1.5V dry cell to kill a person
not possible
On 6/06/2026 10:23 pm, Xeno wrote:
By your mate clocky's rules, you made the assertion, you get to prove
No copout, Darren even responded at the time - and it wasn't very long
ago. Off you go then, hunt away! Remember, you're finding a comment
*I* made.
it. Obviously you're afraid to do so, it would be so embarrassing when
you fail.
On 6/06/2026 2:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 2/06/2026 9:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-
denzas- set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
**10 week wait for BYD cars. 9 months to 4 years for Toyotas.
Which would you prefer?
I wouldn't be interested in either, but if I had to make a choice I'd probably take the Toyota. BYD have some issues they need to get sorted.
On 6/06/2026 1:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 6/06/2026 10:31 am, Axel wrote:Opinions are just opinions, most do not relate to truthfulness.
Noddy wrote:
third things: if opinions are factual they become relevant. noddy's
rarely are
That made about as much sense as anything else you come up with, which
is fuck all.
On 06-Jun-26 7:22 PM, Noddy wrote:
On 6/06/2026 2:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 2/06/2026 9:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-
denzas- set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
**10 week wait for BYD cars. 9 months to 4 years for Toyotas.
Which would you prefer?
I wouldn't be interested in either, but if I had to make a choice I'd
probably take the Toyota. BYD have some issues they need to get sorted.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
They must be doing *something* right, the local toyota dealers here in moruya have taken on BYD!. Unusual for this town, it`s usually a case of wait and see! around here.
On 6/6/2026 10:10 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 6/06/2026 9:00 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 6/6/2026 7:28 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 6/06/2026 5:47 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 5/06/2026 6:23 pm, Xeno wrote:Yep. Once again the "teacher" proves that his personal knowledge is
The 3rd point, well, in the EV at 800V, it's the combination of
current *and* voltage that will kill you.
Nope, it is current that kills you, voltage is just what pushes the >>>>> current through (provided that the source is capable of supplying
enough current). The fatal amount of current can be quite small, a
matter of tens of milliamps. The very worst is supposed to be 2Kv
hand to hand, higher voltages tend to run across the skin rather
than through the body.
extremely lacking :)
Sorry Darren, you need both depending on the *resistance*. Skin
resistance is up to 98% less when wet. I'm sure I mentioned that? You
can get sufficient current from a 1.5V dry cell to kill a person but
there are caveats.
The biggest one being that a 1.5v dry cell cannot supply enough
current due to it's internal resistance.
I call bullshit on that. The maximum current flow of a new 1.5VC cell
into an absolute short circuit typically ranges between 10 and 15 Amps.
A few points, the new C Cell will have a typical voltage of 1.6V -
1.64V. All those I have measured in recent times seem upon the high end
of that range. The internal resistance of a typical dry cell ranges
between 0.06 Ohms and 0.12 Ohms so using the higher resistance and 1.6V, you're looking at potential current flow of 13 Amps. That's your
internal resistance theory done and dusted.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/short- circuit-current
Since a C Cell does not have a great deal of capacity, any current flow will, of necessity, be rather brief. This surge of current is short
lived and the flow will rapidly drop as the C Cell becomes flat and its internal resistance rises. Regardless the C Cell will still get hot
during that brief surge.
It takes a mere 0.1 Amps for 2 seconds to have an effect on the heart, typically to create arhrythmia. To attain any significant level of
current flow, skin resistance would need to be bypassed. An anode and cathode directly into the bloodstream perhaps. Proximity to the heart
would also be a factor as distance increases resistance.-a-a-a-a >
The current flow is determined by voltage and resistance.
Wow,you've head of Ohm's law I = V/R
Had Ohm's Law done to me from high school days onwards. Needed it all through my tradie and teaching years. Amazing, huh?>
I don't expect you to get this since you never did well in school nor
did you do any apprenticeships ever so I won't harp on it to you -
you don't get it, you won't get it! Pointless you see.
On 6/06/2026 10:23 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 6/6/2026 10:19 pm, Keithr0 wrote:By your mate clocky's rules, you made the assertion, you get to prove
On 6/06/2026 10:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 6/6/2026 10:11 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Copout, much as expected. Nothing new there.
On 6/06/2026 9:02 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 6/6/2026 8:05 pm, Keithr0 wrote:You made the assertion, up to you to find it.
On 6/06/2026 7:49 pm, Xeno wrote:There was one very recently, Darren even responded when I called
On 6/6/2026 7:33 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 6/06/2026 5:36 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 6/06/2026 2:37 pm, Xeno wrote:
Yeah Darren, you *say* you block me but all the evidence, and >>>>>>>>>>> there is a heap of that, points to you reading every single >>>>>>>>>>> thing I post. FFS, I'm even having an influence on your >>>>>>>>>>> scribblings.On what evidence?
The "evidence" that exists nowhere else but in his head. Like >>>>>>>>> all his other "evidence" :)
He's been making this ridiculous claim for years, as apparently >>>>>>>>> his ego refuses to allow him to accept that there are people who >>>>>>>>> couldn't give the slightest shit about anything he says. I've >>>>>>>>> made it abundantly clear to him on *many* occasions that I'm not >>>>>>>>> interested in his opinion on
Yet you replied directly to my posts - often.
Some examples?
anything, and yet the imbecilic cunt *still* replies to my every >>>>>>>>> comment as if we're buddies who are actively engaged in regular >>>>>>>>> conversation.See, you're talking about me - again.
Lindsay picked it from day one. It's unrequited love. Nothing >>>>>>>>> more :)
him out on it. I made it very clear at the time. Go look it up!
And I made the comment at the time. It's now on you to find it.
No copout, Darren even responded at the time - and it wasn't very long
ago. Off you go then, hunt away! Remember, you're finding a comment *I*
made.
it. Obviously you're afraid to do so, it would be so embarrassing when
you fail.
On 6/06/2026 11:11 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 6/6/2026 10:10 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 6/06/2026 9:00 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 6/6/2026 7:28 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 6/06/2026 5:47 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 5/06/2026 6:23 pm, Xeno wrote:Yep. Once again the "teacher" proves that his personal knowledge is >>>>> extremely lacking :)
The 3rd point, well, in the EV at 800V, it's the combination of >>>>>>> current *and* voltage that will kill you.
Nope, it is current that kills you, voltage is just what pushes the >>>>>> current through (provided that the source is capable of supplying >>>>>> enough current). The fatal amount of current can be quite small, a >>>>>> matter of tens of milliamps. The very worst is supposed to be 2Kv >>>>>> hand to hand, higher voltages tend to run across the skin rather
than through the body.
Sorry Darren, you need both depending on the *resistance*. Skin
resistance is up to 98% less when wet. I'm sure I mentioned that? You >>>> can get sufficient current from a 1.5V dry cell to kill a person but
there are caveats.
The biggest one being that a 1.5v dry cell cannot supply enough
current due to it's internal resistance.
I call bullshit on that. The maximum current flow of a new 1.5VC cell
into an absolute short circuit typically ranges between 10 and 15 Amps.
A few points, the new C Cell will have a typical voltage of 1.6V -
1.64V. All those I have measured in recent times seem upon the high end
of that range. The internal resistance of a typical dry cell ranges
between 0.06 Ohms and 0.12 Ohms so using the higher resistance and 1.6V,
you're looking at potential current flow of 13 Amps. That's your
internal resistance theory done and dusted.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/short-
circuit-current
Since a C Cell does not have a great deal of capacity, any current flow
will, of necessity, be rather brief. This surge of current is short
lived and the flow will rapidly drop as the C Cell becomes flat and its
internal resistance rises. Regardless the C Cell will still get hot
during that brief surge.
It takes a mere 0.1 Amps for 2 seconds to have an effect on the heart,
typically to create arhrythmia. To attain any significant level of
current flow, skin resistance would need to be bypassed. An anode and
cathode directly into the bloodstream perhaps. Proximity to the heart
would also be a factor as distance increases resistance.-a-a-a-a >
R = V/I. Plug in 1.5v and 10mA = 0.01A. R = 1.5/0.01 ie R = 1.5 x 100.
Therefor a C cell could kill you as long as your body resistance was 150 ohms or less. Body resistance is at least 10x that value. Applying a C
cell directly to the heart is a stupid idea, pacemakers typically apply around 5v for around 0.6mS
The current flow is determined by voltage and resistance.
Wow,you've head of Ohm's law I = V/R
Had Ohm's Law done to me from high school days onwards. Needed it all
through my tradie and teaching years. Amazing, huh?>
I don't expect you to get this since you never did well in school nor >>>> did you do any apprenticeships ever so I won't harp on it to you -
you don't get it, you won't get it! Pointless you see.
Here is a question for you, without going to Google or an AI, what is
the difference between resistance and impedance?
On 6/6/2026 2:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 2/06/2026 9:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-
denzas- set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
**10 week wait for BYD cars. 9 months to 4 years for Toyotas.
Which would you prefer?
Toyota if those were the only choices.
On 6/06/2026 7:59 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 6/6/2026 2:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 2/06/2026 9:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-
denzas- set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
**10 week wait for BYD cars. 9 months to 4 years for Toyotas.
Which would you prefer?
Toyota if those were the only choices.
**As you know, I have an 8 year old Subaru. I partly chose it because it
is loaded with nice safety features. I find that those safety features
are very well thought out and not too intrusive and not too annoying. I recently drove a 2 year old Toyota with a similar set of safety
features. I wanted to put a bomb under the Toyota. Someone at Toyota
needs to speak to the Subaru guys and learn how to do it right.
On 6/06/2026 10:19 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 6/06/2026 10:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
And I made the comment at the time. It's now on you to find it.Copout, much as expected. Nothing new there.
It's his standard MO. When it comes to proving anything he makes *lots*
of noise but does very little else.
Noddy wrote:
On 6/06/2026 10:19 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 6/06/2026 10:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
And I made the comment at the time. It's now on you to find it.Copout, much as expected. Nothing new there.
It's his standard MO. When it comes to proving anything he makes
*lots* of noise but does very little else.
You're a hoot Fraudster.
Business
Qualifications
Trip to Japan
Guitars
Property in the Sunny Coast
Trip to America
Grange collection
Assorted properties
Drag racing
Father fought in the Korean war
Trip to Thailand
Worked on masses of Euro exotica
And shedloads of others
These are all things which you've claimed Fraudster and for which you've
not provided a single piece of proof.
HTH
Keithr0 <nothing.to.see@here.com.au> wrote:You made the statement "Yet you replied directly to my posts - often."
On 6/06/2026 10:23 pm, Xeno wrote:I didnrCOt make an assertion, I pointed out a rCLfactrCY to Darren and he responded by saying his filter wasnrCOt active or some such. ItrCOs there, in this years posts. Remember, he acted, I responded, he replied.
On 6/6/2026 10:19 pm, Keithr0 wrote:By your mate clocky's rules, you made the assertion, you get to prove
On 6/06/2026 10:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 6/6/2026 10:11 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Copout, much as expected. Nothing new there.
On 6/06/2026 9:02 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 6/6/2026 8:05 pm, Keithr0 wrote:You made the assertion, up to you to find it.
On 6/06/2026 7:49 pm, Xeno wrote:There was one very recently, Darren even responded when I called >>>>>>> him out on it. I made it very clear at the time. Go look it up!
On 6/6/2026 7:33 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 6/06/2026 5:36 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 6/06/2026 2:37 pm, Xeno wrote:
Yeah Darren, you *say* you block me but all the evidence, and >>>>>>>>>>>> there is a heap of that, points to you reading every single >>>>>>>>>>>> thing I post. FFS, I'm even having an influence on your >>>>>>>>>>>> scribblings.On what evidence?
The "evidence" that exists nowhere else but in his head. Like >>>>>>>>>> all his other "evidence" :)
He's been making this ridiculous claim for years, as apparently >>>>>>>>>> his ego refuses to allow him to accept that there are people who >>>>>>>>>> couldn't give the slightest shit about anything he says. I've >>>>>>>>>> made it abundantly clear to him on *many* occasions that I'm not >>>>>>>>>> interested in his opinion on
Yet you replied directly to my posts - often.
Some examples?
anything, and yet the imbecilic cunt *still* replies to my every >>>>>>>>>> comment as if we're buddies who are actively engaged in regular >>>>>>>>>> conversation.See, you're talking about me - again.
Lindsay picked it from day one. It's unrequited love. Nothing >>>>>>>>>> more :)
And I made the comment at the time. It's now on you to find it.
No copout, Darren even responded at the time - and it wasn't very long
ago. Off you go then, hunt away! Remember, you're finding a comment *I*
made.
it. Obviously you're afraid to do so, it would be so embarrassing when
you fail.
On 7/6/2026 4:44 pm, alvey wrote:
Noddy wrote:It seems to me that it's Darren who makes lots of noise but there's no action anywhere to be seen.
On 6/06/2026 10:19 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 6/06/2026 10:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
And I made the comment at the time. It's now on you to find it.Copout, much as expected. Nothing new there.
It's his standard MO. When it comes to proving anything he makes
*lots* of noise but does very little else.
You're a hoot Fraudster.
Business
Qualifications
Trip to Japan
Guitars
Property in the Sunny Coast
Trip to America
Grange collection
Assorted properties
Drag racing
Father fought in the Korean war
Trip to Thailand
Worked on masses of Euro exotica
And shedloads of others
These are all things which you've claimed Fraudster and for which
you've not provided a single piece of proof.
HTH
On 7/6/2026 2:57 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/06/2026 7:59 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 6/6/2026 2:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 2/06/2026 9:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-
denzas- set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
**10 week wait for BYD cars. 9 months to 4 years for Toyotas.
Which would you prefer?
Toyota if those were the only choices.
**As you know, I have an 8 year old Subaru. I partly chose it because
it is loaded with nice safety features. I find that those safety
features are very well thought out and not too intrusive and not too
annoying. I recently drove a 2 year old Toyota with a similar set of
safety features. I wanted to put a bomb under the Toyota. Someone at
Toyota needs to speak to the Subaru guys and learn how to do it right.
I'd agree with that. I haven't driven a Subaru of recent manufacture so
I don't know how the comparison goes but, yeah, needs more work. The
lane guidance has some issues that really need tweaking, that's the one
that comes readily to mind and one that tends to bug me most.>
On 7/6/2026 4:44 pm, alvey wrote:
Noddy wrote:It seems to me that it's Darren who makes lots of noise but there's no action anywhere to be seen.
On 6/06/2026 10:19 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 6/06/2026 10:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
And I made the comment at the time. It's now on you to find it.Copout, much as expected. Nothing new there.
It's his standard MO. When it comes to proving anything he makes
*lots* of noise but does very little else.
You're a hoot Fraudster.
Business
Qualifications
Trip to Japan
Guitars
Property in the Sunny Coast
Trip to America
Grange collection
Assorted properties
Drag racing
Father fought in the Korean war
Trip to Thailand
Worked on masses of Euro exotica
And shedloads of others
These are all things which you've claimed Fraudster and for which
you've not provided a single piece of proof.
HTH
On 7/06/2026 4:08 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 7/6/2026 2:57 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:You need lane guidance? You can't just steer between the white lines?
On 6/06/2026 7:59 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 6/6/2026 2:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 2/06/2026 9:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-
denzas- set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
**10 week wait for BYD cars. 9 months to 4 years for Toyotas.
Which would you prefer?
Toyota if those were the only choices.
**As you know, I have an 8 year old Subaru. I partly chose it because
it is loaded with nice safety features. I find that those safety
features are very well thought out and not too intrusive and not too
annoying. I recently drove a 2 year old Toyota with a similar set of
safety features. I wanted to put a bomb under the Toyota. Someone at
Toyota needs to speak to the Subaru guys and learn how to do it right.
I'd agree with that. I haven't driven a Subaru of recent manufacture
so I don't know how the comparison goes but, yeah, needs more work.
The lane guidance has some issues that really need tweaking, that's
the one that comes readily to mind and one that tends to bug me most.>
On 7/06/2026 2:32 pm, Xeno wrote:
Keithr0 <nothing.to.see@here.com.au> wrote:You made the statement "Yet you replied directly to my posts - often."
On 6/06/2026 10:23 pm, Xeno wrote:I didnrCOt make an assertion, I pointed out a rCLfactrCY to Darren and he
On 6/6/2026 10:19 pm, Keithr0 wrote:By your mate clocky's rules, you made the assertion, you get to prove
On 6/06/2026 10:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 6/6/2026 10:11 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Copout, much as expected. Nothing new there.
On 6/06/2026 9:02 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 6/6/2026 8:05 pm, Keithr0 wrote:You made the assertion, up to you to find it.
On 6/06/2026 7:49 pm, Xeno wrote:There was one very recently, Darren even responded when I called >>>>>>>> him out on it. I made it very clear at the time. Go look it up! >>>>>>>>
On 6/6/2026 7:33 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 6/06/2026 5:36 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 6/06/2026 2:37 pm, Xeno wrote:
Yeah Darren, you *say* you block me but all the evidence, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> there is a heap of that, points to you reading every single >>>>>>>>>>>>> thing I post. FFS, I'm even having an influence on your >>>>>>>>>>>>> scribblings.On what evidence?
The "evidence" that exists nowhere else but in his head. Like >>>>>>>>>>> all his other "evidence" :)
He's been making this ridiculous claim for years, as apparently >>>>>>>>>>> his ego refuses to allow him to accept that there are people who >>>>>>>>>>> couldn't give the slightest shit about anything he says. I've >>>>>>>>>>> made it abundantly clear to him on *many* occasions that I'm not >>>>>>>>>>> interested in his opinion on
Yet you replied directly to my posts - often.
Some examples?
anything, and yet the imbecilic cunt *still* replies to my every >>>>>>>>>>> comment as if we're buddies who are actively engaged in regular >>>>>>>>>>> conversation.See, you're talking about me - again.
Lindsay picked it from day one. It's unrequited love. Nothing >>>>>>>>>>> more :)
And I made the comment at the time. It's now on you to find it.
No copout, Darren even responded at the time - and it wasn't very long >>>> ago. Off you go then, hunt away! Remember, you're finding a comment *I* >>>> made.
it. Obviously you're afraid to do so, it would be so embarrassing when
you fail.
responded by saying his filter wasnrCOt active or some such. ItrCOs there, in
this years posts. Remember, he acted, I responded, he replied.
that is an assertion, it is not a fact unless you can back it up with examples.
On 6/06/2026 7:59 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 6/6/2026 2:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 2/06/2026 9:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-
denzas- set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
**10 week wait for BYD cars. 9 months to 4 years for Toyotas.
Which would you prefer?
Toyota if those were the only choices.
**As you know, I have an 8 year old Subaru. I partly chose it because it
is loaded with nice safety features. I find that those safety features
are very well thought out and not too intrusive and not too annoying. I recently drove a 2 year old Toyota with a similar set of safety
features. I wanted to put a bomb under the Toyota. Someone at Toyota
needs to speak to the Subaru guys and learn how to do it right.
On 7/06/2026 4:08 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 7/6/2026 2:57 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:You need lane guidance? You can't just steer between the white lines?
On 6/06/2026 7:59 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 6/6/2026 2:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 2/06/2026 9:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-
denzas- set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
**10 week wait for BYD cars. 9 months to 4 years for Toyotas.
Which would you prefer?
Toyota if those were the only choices.
**As you know, I have an 8 year old Subaru. I partly chose it because
it is loaded with nice safety features. I find that those safety
features are very well thought out and not too intrusive and not too
annoying. I recently drove a 2 year old Toyota with a similar set of
safety features. I wanted to put a bomb under the Toyota. Someone at
Toyota needs to speak to the Subaru guys and learn how to do it right.
I'd agree with that. I haven't driven a Subaru of recent manufacture
so I don't know how the comparison goes but, yeah, needs more work.
The lane guidance has some issues that really need tweaking, that's
the one that comes readily to mind and one that tends to bug me most.>
On 7/6/2026 2:57 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/06/2026 7:59 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 6/6/2026 2:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 2/06/2026 9:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-
denzas- set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
**10 week wait for BYD cars. 9 months to 4 years for Toyotas.
Which would you prefer?
Toyota if those were the only choices.
**As you know, I have an 8 year old Subaru. I partly chose it because
it is loaded with nice safety features. I find that those safety
features are very well thought out and not too intrusive and not too
annoying. I recently drove a 2 year old Toyota with a similar set of
safety features. I wanted to put a bomb under the Toyota. Someone at
Toyota needs to speak to the Subaru guys and learn how to do it right.
Specifically what features are you talking about, newer cars have things like lane keep assist, some do it well others do it very poorly.
Does your Subbie have lane keep assist, I thought that it would be too
old for that sort of thing?
If you want to experience how not to set up "driver assistance" features
try a Chery Tiggo 7 Super Hybrid, I thought that the bloody thing was
trying to kill me.
On the other hand the Hyundai Kona EV lane keep assist is barely
noticeable, you know its working but its not intrusive.
On 7/06/2026 4:57 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 7/6/2026 4:44 pm, alvey wrote:Just like alvey.
Noddy wrote:It seems to me that it's Darren who makes lots of noise but there's no
On 6/06/2026 10:19 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 6/06/2026 10:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
And I made the comment at the time. It's now on you to find it.Copout, much as expected. Nothing new there.
It's his standard MO. When it comes to proving anything he makes
*lots* of noise but does very little else.
You're a hoot Fraudster.
Business
Qualifications
Trip to Japan
Guitars
Property in the Sunny Coast
Trip to America
Grange collection
Assorted properties
Drag racing
Father fought in the Korean war
Trip to Thailand
Worked on masses of Euro exotica
And shedloads of others
These are all things which you've claimed Fraudster and for which
you've not provided a single piece of proof.
HTH
action anywhere to be seen.
On 7/06/2026 5:45 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 7/6/2026 2:57 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/06/2026 7:59 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 6/6/2026 2:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 2/06/2026 9:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-
denzas- set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
**10 week wait for BYD cars. 9 months to 4 years for Toyotas.
Which would you prefer?
Toyota if those were the only choices.
**As you know, I have an 8 year old Subaru. I partly chose it because
it is loaded with nice safety features. I find that those safety
features are very well thought out and not too intrusive and not too
annoying. I recently drove a 2 year old Toyota with a similar set of
safety features. I wanted to put a bomb under the Toyota. Someone at
Toyota needs to speak to the Subaru guys and learn how to do it right.
Specifically what features are you talking about, newer cars have
things like lane keep assist, some do it well others do it very poorly.
**Lane keeping in the Toyota was utterly horrible. The Suby does it way better.
Does your Subbie have lane keep assist, I thought that it would be too
old for that sort of thing?
**Nope. It has the works. The best thing it has is RCA.
If you want to experience how not to set up "driver assistance"
features try a Chery Tiggo 7 Super Hybrid, I thought that the bloody
thing was trying to kill me.
**Try a Toyota sometime. REALLY annoying.
On 7/6/2026 5:10 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 7/06/2026 2:32 pm, Xeno wrote:
Keithr0 <nothing.to.see@here.com.au> wrote:You made the statement "Yet you replied directly to my posts - often."
On 6/06/2026 10:23 pm, Xeno wrote:I didnrCOt make an assertion, I pointed out a rCLfactrCY to Darren and he >>> responded by saying his filter wasnrCOt active or some such. ItrCOs
On 6/6/2026 10:19 pm, Keithr0 wrote:By your mate clocky's rules, you made the assertion, you get to prove
On 6/06/2026 10:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 6/6/2026 10:11 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Copout, much as expected. Nothing new there.
On 6/06/2026 9:02 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 6/6/2026 8:05 pm, Keithr0 wrote:You made the assertion, up to you to find it.
On 6/06/2026 7:49 pm, Xeno wrote:There was one very recently, Darren even responded when I called >>>>>>>>> him out on it. I made it very clear at the time. Go look it up! >>>>>>>>>
On 6/6/2026 7:33 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 6/06/2026 5:36 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 6/06/2026 2:37 pm, Xeno wrote:
Yeah Darren, you *say* you block me but all the evidence, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is a heap of that, points to you reading every single >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing I post. FFS, I'm even having an influence on your >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scribblings.On what evidence?
The "evidence" that exists nowhere else but in his head. Like >>>>>>>>>>>> all his other "evidence" :)
He's been making this ridiculous claim for years, as apparently >>>>>>>>>>>> his ego refuses to allow him to accept that there are people >>>>>>>>>>>> who
couldn't give the slightest shit about anything he says. I've >>>>>>>>>>>> made it abundantly clear to him on *many* occasions that I'm >>>>>>>>>>>> not
interested in his opinion on
Yet you replied directly to my posts - often.
Some examples?
anything, and yet the imbecilic cunt *still* replies to my >>>>>>>>>>>> everySee, you're talking about me - again.
comment as if we're buddies who are actively engaged in regular >>>>>>>>>>>> conversation.
Lindsay picked it from day one. It's unrequited love. Nothing >>>>>>>>>>>> more :)
And I made the comment at the time. It's now on you to find it.
No copout, Darren even responded at the time - and it wasn't very long >>>>> ago. Off you go then, hunt away! Remember, you're finding a comment >>>>> *I*
made.
it. Obviously you're afraid to do so, it would be so embarrassing when >>>> you fail.
there, in
this years posts. Remember, he acted, I responded, he replied.
that is an assertion, it is not a fact unless you can back it up with
examples.
Yes, and his most recent example is in his recent responses so feel free
to go look for it. I made it quite clear at the time what Darren had
done. Pay more attention to my posts!
On 7/06/2026 5:34 pm, Xeno wrote:
Yes, and his most recent example is in his recent responses so feelSo you keep saying, it's still on you to show at least one of noddy's
free to go look for it. I made it quite clear at the time what Darren
had done. Pay more attention to my posts!
posts directly replying to one of yours. If you can't then, by your own reckoning, you're lying.
On 6/06/2026 7:59 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 6/6/2026 2:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 2/06/2026 9:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-
denzas- set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
**10 week wait for BYD cars. 9 months to 4 years for Toyotas.
Which would you prefer?
Toyota if those were the only choices.
**As you know, I have an 8 year old Subaru. I partly chose it because it
is loaded with nice safety features. I find that those safety features
are very well thought out and not too intrusive and not too annoying. I recently drove a 2 year old Toyota with a similar set of safety
features. I wanted to put a bomb under the Toyota. Someone at Toyota
needs to speak to the Subaru guys and learn how to do it right.
Noddy wrote:
On 6/06/2026 10:19 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 6/06/2026 10:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
And I made the comment at the time. It's now on you to find it.Copout, much as expected. Nothing new there.
It's his standard MO. When it comes to proving anything he makes
*lots* of noise but does very little else.
You're a hoot Fraudster.
Business
Qualifications
Trip to Japan
Guitars
Property in the Sunny Coast
Trip to America
Grange collection
Assorted properties
Drag racing
Father fought in the Korean war
Trip to Thailand
Worked on masses of Euro exotica
And shedloads of others
These are all things which you've claimed Fraudster and for which
you've not provided a single piece of proof.
HTH
On 7/06/2026 2:57 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/06/2026 7:59 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 6/6/2026 2:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 2/06/2026 9:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and-
denzas- set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
**10 week wait for BYD cars. 9 months to 4 years for Toyotas.
Which would you prefer?
Toyota if those were the only choices.
**As you know, I have an 8 year old Subaru. I partly chose it because
it is loaded with nice safety features. I find that those safety
features are very well thought out and not too intrusive and not too
annoying. I recently drove a 2 year old Toyota with a similar set of
safety features. I wanted to put a bomb under the Toyota. Someone at
Toyota needs to speak to the Subaru guys and learn how to do it right.
Drive a current model Subaru and you'd probably find it just as annoying.
On 7/06/2026 8:22 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 7/06/2026 5:34 pm, Xeno wrote:
Yes, and his most recent example is in his recent responses so feelSo you keep saying, it's still on you to show at least one of noddy's
free to go look for it. I made it quite clear at the time what Darren
had done. Pay more attention to my posts!
posts directly replying to one of yours. If you can't then, by your
own reckoning, you're lying.
Lol :)
I love how he's snookered *himself*, but is trying to blame you for it :)
On 7/06/2026 8:22 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 7/06/2026 5:34 pm, Xeno wrote:
Yes, and his most recent example is in his recent responses so feelSo you keep saying, it's still on you to show at least one of noddy's
free to go look for it. I made it quite clear at the time what Darren
had done. Pay more attention to my posts!
posts directly replying to one of yours. If you can't then, by your
own reckoning, you're lying.
Lol :)
I love how he's snookered *himself*, but is trying to blame you for it :)
On 7/6/2026 8:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 7/06/2026 8:22 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Sorry Darren, you are snookered. Keith is just another poster here.
On 7/06/2026 5:34 pm, Xeno wrote:
Yes, and his most recent example is in his recent responses so feelSo you keep saying, it's still on you to show at least one of noddy's
free to go look for it. I made it quite clear at the time what
Darren had done. Pay more attention to my posts!
posts directly replying to one of yours. If you can't then, by your
own reckoning, you're lying.
Lol :)
I love how he's snookered *himself*, but is trying to blame you for it :)
On 7/6/2026 8:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 7/06/2026 8:22 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Sorry Darren, you are snookered. Keith is just another poster here.
On 7/06/2026 5:34 pm, Xeno wrote:
Yes, and his most recent example is in his recent responses so feelSo you keep saying, it's still on you to show at least one of noddy's
free to go look for it. I made it quite clear at the time what
Darren had done. Pay more attention to my posts!
posts directly replying to one of yours. If you can't then, by your
own reckoning, you're lying.
Lol :)
I love how he's snookered *himself*, but is trying to blame you for it :)
On 7/06/2026 10:15 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 7/6/2026 8:46 pm, Noddy wrote:Oh dear, I've been demoted from acolyte to just another poster.
On 7/06/2026 8:22 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Sorry Darren, you are snookered. Keith is just another poster here.
On 7/06/2026 5:34 pm, Xeno wrote:
Yes, and his most recent example is in his recent responses so feel >>>>> free to go look for it. I made it quite clear at the time whatSo you keep saying, it's still on you to show at least one of
Darren had done. Pay more attention to my posts!
noddy's posts directly replying to one of yours. If you can't then,
by your own reckoning, you're lying.
Lol :)
I love how he's snookered *himself*, but is trying to blame you for
it :)
alvey wrote:
and the latest.. built/tuned so many performance engines it's damaged
his hearing
On 7/06/2026 4:57 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 7/6/2026 4:44 pm, alvey wrote:Just like alvey.
Noddy wrote:It seems to me that it's Darren who makes lots of noise but there's no
On 6/06/2026 10:19 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 6/06/2026 10:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
And I made the comment at the time. It's now on you to find it.Copout, much as expected. Nothing new there.
It's his standard MO. When it comes to proving anything he makes
*lots* of noise but does very little else.
You're a hoot Fraudster.
Business
Qualifications
Trip to Japan
Guitars
Property in the Sunny Coast
Trip to America
Grange collection
Assorted properties
Drag racing
Father fought in the Korean war
Trip to Thailand
Worked on masses of Euro exotica
And shedloads of others
These are all things which you've claimed Fraudster and for which
you've not provided a single piece of proof.
HTH
action anywhere to be seen.
On 7/06/2026 10:15 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 7/6/2026 8:46 pm, Noddy wrote:So, where is your evidence?
On 7/06/2026 8:22 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Sorry Darren, you are snookered. Keith is just another poster here.
On 7/06/2026 5:34 pm, Xeno wrote:
Yes, and his most recent example is in his recent responses so feel >>>>> free to go look for it. I made it quite clear at the time whatSo you keep saying, it's still on you to show at least one of noddy's >>>> posts directly replying to one of yours. If you can't then, by your
Darren had done. Pay more attention to my posts!
own reckoning, you're lying.
Lol :)
I love how he's snookered *himself*, but is trying to blame you for it :) >>>
On 7/6/2026 7:19 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 7/06/2026 5:45 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 7/6/2026 2:57 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/06/2026 7:59 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 6/6/2026 2:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 2/06/2026 9:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and- >>>>>>> denzas- set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
**10 week wait for BYD cars. 9 months to 4 years for Toyotas.
Which would you prefer?
Toyota if those were the only choices.
**As you know, I have an 8 year old Subaru. I partly chose it
because it is loaded with nice safety features. I find that those
safety features are very well thought out and not too intrusive and
not too annoying. I recently drove a 2 year old Toyota with a
similar set of safety features. I wanted to put a bomb under the
Toyota. Someone at Toyota needs to speak to the Subaru guys and
learn how to do it right.
Specifically what features are you talking about, newer cars have
things like lane keep assist, some do it well others do it very poorly.
**Lane keeping in the Toyota was utterly horrible. The Suby does it
way better.
Best thing anyone can do with any of that crap is to turn it off, I
would judge either car based on how easy or difficult it was to do that.
Does your Subbie have lane keep assist, I thought that it would be
too old for that sort of thing?
**Nope. It has the works. The best thing it has is RCA.
What is RCA? Rear cross traffic alert?
Why do you need or want that?
I reverse into parking spaces and my garage so it would be of no use to me.
**Much better if the manufacturer could build safety systems like Subaru
If you want to experience how not to set up "driver assistance"
features try a Chery Tiggo 7 Super Hybrid, I thought that the bloody
thing was trying to kill me.
**Try a Toyota sometime. REALLY annoying.
Doubt that it would come close to the Chery but it wouldn't matter if it could be easily turned off, friends Kia Cerato has a button on the lower dash which turns off LKA which is a great idea, it would be better if it could be turned off permanently.
Keithr0 <nothing.to.see@here.com.au> wrote:
On 7/06/2026 10:15 pm, Xeno wrote:Right here in aus.cars. You couldnrCOt miss it!
On 7/6/2026 8:46 pm, Noddy wrote:So, where is your evidence?
On 7/06/2026 8:22 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Sorry Darren, you are snookered. Keith is just another poster here.
On 7/06/2026 5:34 pm, Xeno wrote:
Yes, and his most recent example is in his recent responses so feel >>>>>> free to go look for it. I made it quite clear at the time whatSo you keep saying, it's still on you to show at least one of noddy's >>>>> posts directly replying to one of yours. If you can't then, by your
Darren had done. Pay more attention to my posts!
own reckoning, you're lying.
Lol :)
I love how he's snookered *himself*, but is trying to blame you for it :) >>>>
On 7/06/2026 8:52 pm, Axel wrote:
alvey wrote:
and the latest.. built/tuned so many performance engines it's damaged
his hearing
It's not difficult to do Felix. When you expose yourself to very loud
noises it has an effect.
Noddy wrote:
On 7/06/2026 8:52 pm, Axel wrote:
alvey wrote:
and the latest.. built/tuned so many performance engines it's damaged
his hearing
It's not difficult to do Felix. When you expose yourself to very loud
noises it has an effect.
Let's see some proof hey Fraudster.
On 7/06/2026 10:15 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 7/6/2026 8:46 pm, Noddy wrote:Oh dear, I've been demoted from acolyte to just another poster.
On 7/06/2026 8:22 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Sorry Darren, you are snookered. Keith is just another poster here.
On 7/06/2026 5:34 pm, Xeno wrote:
Yes, and his most recent example is in his recent responses soSo you keep saying, it's still on you to show at least one of
feel free to go look for it. I made it quite clear at the time
what Darren had done. Pay more attention to my posts!
noddy's posts directly replying to one of yours. If you can't then,
by your own reckoning, you're lying.
Lol :)
I love how he's snookered *himself*, but is trying to blame you for
it :)
On 8/06/2026 1:01 pm, alvey wrote:
Noddy wrote:Please explain how you prove deafness over Usenet. You say a lot of
On 7/06/2026 8:52 pm, Axel wrote:
alvey wrote:
and the latest.. built/tuned so many performance engines it's
damaged his hearing
It's not difficult to do Felix. When you expose yourself to very
loud noises it has an effect.
Let's see some proof hey Fraudster.
stupid things, but this is well up in the top ten.
On 8/06/2026 1:01 pm, alvey wrote:
Noddy wrote:
On 7/06/2026 8:52 pm, Axel wrote:
alvey wrote:
and the latest.. built/tuned so many performance engines it's
damaged his hearing
It's not difficult to do Felix. When you expose yourself to very loud
noises it has an effect.
--enPlease explain how you prove deafness over Usenet. You say a lot of
Lgineset's see some proof hey Fraudster.
stupid things, but this is well up in the top ten.
Keithr0 wrote:
On 7/06/2026 10:15 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 7/6/2026 8:46 pm, Noddy wrote:Oh dear, I've been demoted from acolyte to just another poster.
On 7/06/2026 8:22 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Sorry Darren, you are snookered. Keith is just another poster here.
On 7/06/2026 5:34 pm, Xeno wrote:
Yes, and his most recent example is in his recent responses soSo you keep saying, it's still on you to show at least one of
feel free to go look for it. I made it quite clear at the time
what Darren had done. Pay more attention to my posts!
noddy's posts directly replying to one of yours. If you can't then, >>>>> by your own reckoning, you're lying.
Lol :)
I love how he's snookered *himself*, but is trying to blame you for
it :)
that's a promotion, not a demotion. acolytes are the lowest level :)
Keithr0 wrote:
On 8/06/2026 1:01 pm, alvey wrote:
Noddy wrote:Please explain how you prove deafness over Usenet. You say a lot of
On 7/06/2026 8:52 pm, Axel wrote:
alvey wrote:
and the latest.. built/tuned so many performance engines it's
damaged his hearing
It's not difficult to do Felix. When you expose yourself to very
loud noises it has an effect.
Let's see some proof hey Fraudster.
stupid things, but this is well up in the top ten.
since my original comment was an addition to the the list of disputed claims, it should be rather obvious to anyone with at least half a
brain, that both alvey and i were skeptical about the myriad of engine performance jobs referred to. since you didn't realize that, you're obviously in the less than half a brain category
Keithr0 <nothing.to.see@here.com.au> wrote:
On 7/06/2026 10:15 pm, Xeno wrote:Right here in aus.cars. You couldnrCOt miss it!
On 7/6/2026 8:46 pm, Noddy wrote:So, where is your evidence?
On 7/06/2026 8:22 pm, Keithr0 wrote:Sorry Darren, you are snookered. Keith is just another poster here.
On 7/06/2026 5:34 pm, Xeno wrote:
Yes, and his most recent example is in his recent responses so feel >>>>>> free to go look for it. I made it quite clear at the time whatSo you keep saying, it's still on you to show at least one of noddy's >>>>> posts directly replying to one of yours. If you can't then, by your
Darren had done. Pay more attention to my posts!
own reckoning, you're lying.
Lol :)
I love how he's snookered *himself*, but is trying to blame you for it :) >>>>
On 08-Jun-26 1:49 PM, Keithr0 wrote:
On 8/06/2026 1:01 pm, alvey wrote:
Noddy wrote:
On 7/06/2026 8:52 pm, Axel wrote:
alvey wrote:
and the latest.. built/tuned so many performance engines it's
damaged his hearing
It's not difficult to do Felix. When you expose yourself to very
loud noises it has an effect.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Certainly does!..... I have 'Industrial deafness',Many years of loud
truck engines, heavy machinery, loaders, dozers etc.. And nobody to say "You`re going to pay for this down the track!"
-a-a Now wearing two hearing aids.:(
enPlease explain how you prove deafness over Usenet. You say a lot of
Lgineset's see some proof hey Fraudster.
stupid things, but this is well up in the top ten.
On 8/06/2026 1:01 pm, alvey wrote:
Noddy wrote:Please explain how you prove deafness over Usenet.
On 7/06/2026 8:52 pm, Axel wrote:
alvey wrote:
and the latest.. built/tuned so many performance engines it's
damaged his hearing
It's not difficult to do Felix. When you expose yourself to very loud
noises it has an effect.
Let's see some proof hey Fraudster.
You say a lot of stupid things, but this is well up in the top ten.
On 7/06/2026 8:14 pm, Daryl wrote:
What is RCA? Rear cross traffic alert?
**Yep.
Why do you need or want that?
**It is, arguably, the best safety feature, at very modest cost,
available on modern cars.
On 8/06/2026 10:44 am, Xeno wrote:
Since you are unable to present it, we'll have to assume that you're lying.Right here in aus.cars. You couldnrCOt miss it!Sorry Darren, you are snookered. Keith is just another poster here.So, where is your evidence?
On 07-Jun-26 5:11 PM, Keithr0 wrote:
Just like alvey.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yep, the fixated fucktards that infest this place would do well to start
a *new* group called *I hate noddy*.
-a-a Then they can wank amongst their selves and be happy.(Well no, couldn`t imagine *that* scenario under *any* circumstances!. :) ;) )
Let's see some proof hey Fraudster.Please explain how you prove deafness over Usenet. You say a lot of
stupid things, but this is well up in the top ten.
Keithr0 wrote:
Please explain how you prove deafness over Usenet. You say a lot of
stupid things, but this is well up in the top ten.
since my original comment was an addition to the the list of disputed claims, it should be rather obvious to anyone with at least half a
brain, that both alvey and i were skeptical about the myriad of engine performance jobs referred to. since you didn't realize that, you're obviously in the less than half a brain category
On 8/06/2026 11:46 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 8/06/2026 10:44 am, Xeno wrote:
Since you are unable to present it, we'll have to assume that you'reRight here in aus.cars. You couldnrCOt miss it!Sorry Darren, you are snookered. Keith is just another poster here.So, where is your evidence?
lying.
It's a downright shame when their own shit falls all over their own
shoes, huh? :)
On 8/06/2026 9:54 am, jonz wrote:
On 07-Jun-26 5:11 PM, Keithr0 wrote:
Just like alvey.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yep, the fixated fucktards that infest this place would do well to
start a *new* group called *I hate noddy*.
-a-a-a Then they can wank amongst their selves and be happy.(Well no,
couldn`t imagine *that* scenario under *any* circumstances!. :) ;) )
I've been suggesting that to them for a while. Either that or they all
just block me and not ever have to deal with me ever again, but for some reason none of them are interested. Instead, they'd rather just camp
here and cry about the same infantile shit day after day after day.
It's pretty sad really :)
Keithr0 wrote:
On 8/06/2026 1:01 pm, alvey wrote:
Noddy wrote:Please explain how you prove deafness over Usenet.
On 7/06/2026 8:52 pm, Axel wrote:
alvey wrote:
and the latest.. built/tuned so many performance engines it's
damaged his hearing
It's not difficult to do Felix. When you expose yourself to very
loud noises it has an effect.
Let's see some proof hey Fraudster.
Not a problem Ritcho.
How about some pix of Fraudster up to his neck in a performance engine?
You know, like people have been doing since the dawn of digital.
Or a copy of his audiogram tests.
Plus, iirc, he's never mentioned this condition before.
Plus 2, he has a long history of telling lies.
Alvey the inept strikes again.You say a lot of stupid things, but this is well up in the top ten.
Keith the Tedious strikes again!
On 8/06/2026 9:54 am, jonz wrote:
On 07-Jun-26 5:11 PM, Keithr0 wrote:
Just like alvey.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yep, the fixated fucktards that infest this place would do well to start
a *new* group called *I hate noddy*.
-a-a Then they can wank amongst their selves and be happy.(Well no,
couldn`t imagine *that* scenario under *any* circumstances!. :) ;) )
I've been suggesting that to them for a while. Either that or they all
just block me and not ever have to deal with me ever again, but for some reason none of them are interested. Instead, they'd rather just camp
here and cry about the same infantile shit day after day after day.
It's pretty sad really :)
Noddy wrote:
On 8/06/2026 9:54 am, jonz wrote:
On 07-Jun-26 5:11 PM, Keithr0 wrote:
Just like alvey.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yep, the fixated fucktards that infest this place would do well to
start a *new* group called *I hate noddy*.
-a-a-a Then they can wank amongst their selves and be happy.(Well no,
couldn`t imagine *that* scenario under *any* circumstances!. :) ;) )
I've been suggesting that to them for a while. Either that or they all
just block me and not ever have to deal with me ever again, but for some
reason none of them are interested. Instead, they'd rather just camp
here and cry about the same infantile shit day after day after day.
It's pretty sad really :)
Could be sadder.
'We' could be lying, abusive, hypocritical, cowardly fatasists like you.
On 8/06/2026 2:34 pm, Axel wrote:
Keithr0 wrote:This is what he was replying to "It's not difficult to do Felix. When
On 8/06/2026 1:01 pm, alvey wrote:
Noddy wrote:Please explain how you prove deafness over Usenet. You say a lot of
On 7/06/2026 8:52 pm, Axel wrote:
alvey wrote:
and the latest.. built/tuned so many performance engines it's
damaged his hearing
It's not difficult to do Felix. When you expose yourself to very
loud noises it has an effect.
Let's see some proof hey Fraudster.
stupid things, but this is well up in the top ten.
since my original comment was an addition to the the list of disputed
claims, it should be rather obvious to anyone with at least half a
brain, that both alvey and i were skeptical about the myriad of
engine performance jobs referred to. since you didn't realize that,
you're obviously in the less than half a brain category
you expose yourself to very loud noises it has an effect". No mention
of a-a myriad of engine performance jobs. Try and keep up.
On 8/06/2026 6:07 pm, alvey wrote:
How about some pix of Fraudster up to his neck in a performance
engine? You know, like people have been doing since the dawn of digital.
You take photos of everything that you do, you must be up to your neck
in boring photos
https://ibb.co/GQqqfgLZ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nz6vI2OZ0c
On 8/06/2026 8:25 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 8/06/2026 6:07 pm, alvey wrote:
How about some pix of Fraudster up to his neck in a performance
engine? You know, like people have been doing since the dawn of digital.
You take photos of everything that you do, you must be up to your neck
in boring photos
I think he's up to his neck in a lot of things. None of it seemingly
having much of a bearing on reality. But since I've had a great day and
am feeling fairly generous, he can suck on this:
https://ibb.co/GQqqfgLZ
That's a pic of me (foreground) and a gentleman I've known for many
years by the name of Gene Cook. Unfortunately Gene passed away a couple
of years ago after a long illness, but in his heyday he was a very
famous and successful speedway racer from Tasmania and after retiring
from racing moved to Victoria and ran an engine dyno shop in
Tullamarine. I used to use his Dyno all the time, and Gene & I went back
to my Repco days where we both knew some of the same people.
In fact, on a previous occasion here I recounted a story of a 350 Chev
that I did a Ford Cleveland head conversion on that with a Dominator
carb made around 500hp and eventually sold it to "a guy who ran it in a speedway car". Gene was that guy.
In this pic, he and I are running 408 cubic inch custom Ford engine that
I'd built for a neighbour, and we're checking out an issue after power suddenly dropped off after a couple of dyno pulls. As it turned out the
end of a pushrod had failed and embedded itself into a rocker arm, and
I'm pointing to the rocker while Gene is winding the engine over.
A short video of the engine running:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nz6vI2OZ0c
Here we're setting the total timing after giving the engine a few runs
and warming up the oil. The dyno room is about 5x3 mtrs, and while it's fairly quiet on the outside with the doors closed thanks to being well insulated, it's as loud as fuck while you're in there with a running
engine even when the pipes are directed out through the ducting. I've
done stuff like this *many* times, and it's no surprise that my hearing
is down to 40% on one side and 55% on the other.
No doubt the people here who know me will verify that it is indeed me in
the blue shirt with the grey hair. The third guy is the engine's owner
who wanted to come along and see how it all worked.
On 7/06/2026 8:14 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 7/6/2026 7:19 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 7/06/2026 5:45 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 7/6/2026 2:57 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:**Lane keeping in the Toyota was utterly horrible. The Suby does it
On 6/06/2026 7:59 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 6/6/2026 2:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 2/06/2026 9:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and- >>>>>>>> denzas- set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
**10 week wait for BYD cars. 9 months to 4 years for Toyotas.
Which would you prefer?
Toyota if those were the only choices.
**As you know, I have an 8 year old Subaru. I partly chose it
because it is loaded with nice safety features. I find that those
safety features are very well thought out and not too intrusive and >>>>> not too annoying. I recently drove a 2 year old Toyota with a
similar set of safety features. I wanted to put a bomb under the
Toyota. Someone at Toyota needs to speak to the Subaru guys and
learn how to do it right.
Specifically what features are you talking about, newer cars have
things like lane keep assist, some do it well others do it very poorly. >>>
way better.
Best thing anyone can do with any of that crap is to turn it off, I
would judge either car based on how easy or difficult it was to do that.
Does your Subbie have lane keep assist, I thought that it would be
too old for that sort of thing?
**Nope. It has the works. The best thing it has is RCA.
What is RCA? Rear cross traffic alert?
**Yep.
Why do you need or want that?
**It is, arguably, the best safety feature, at very modest cost,
available on modern cars.
I reverse into parking spaces and my garage so it would be of no use
to me.
**Until it does become useful. For me, that happened some 4 weeks into owning the Suby. I almost always reverse into parking spots, but,
because I was at the local garden centre and was planning to load about
half a Tonne of stuff in the back, I parked front in. When I was
preparing to leave, I put the car in reverse, checked all three mirrors
and the reversing camera screen. Nothing to worry about. As I began reversing, all Hell broke loose. Well, the car began issuing an urgent noise. I ceased reversing. A second or two later, two kids (I'm guessing
3 ~ 4 years old) ran across the path of the car. Had I continued
reversing, the day would possibly have ended badly for all concerned.
So, RCA is a waste of time. Until it isn't. I'd estimate that the cost
to the manufacturer of RCA to be in the <$100.00 range. It's utterly brilliant. I'm also quite happy with the other stuff, like adaptive
cruise control, autonomous braking, etc. The Suby allegedly recognises
cars, trucks, bicycles and humans.
On 8/06/2026 3:41 pm, jonz wrote:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 08-Jun-26 1:49 PM, Keithr0 wrote:
On 8/06/2026 1:01 pm, alvey wrote:
Noddy wrote:
On 7/06/2026 8:52 pm, Axel wrote:
alvey wrote:
and the latest.. built/tuned so many performance engines it's
damaged his hearing
It's not difficult to do Felix. When you expose yourself to very
loud noises it has an effect.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Certainly does!..... I have 'Industrial deafness',Many years of loud
truck engines, heavy machinery, loaders, dozers etc.. And nobody to
say "You`re going to pay for this down the track!"
-a-a-a Now wearing two hearing aids.:(
My hearing is not great due to 40 years in computer rooms with hundreds
of noisy fans, and 65 years of loud rock 'n' roll. I have hearing aids
but don't use them much.
enPlease explain how you prove deafness over Usenet. You say a lot of
Lgineset's see some proof hey Fraudster.
stupid things, but this is well up in the top ten.
On 8/06/2026 8:25 pm, Keithr0 wrote:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 8/06/2026 6:07 pm, alvey wrote:
How about some pix of Fraudster up to his neck in a performance
engine? You know, like people have been doing since the dawn of digital.
You take photos of everything that you do, you must be up to your neck
in boring photos
I think he's up to his neck in a lot of things. None of it seemingly
having much of a bearing on reality. But since I've had a great day and
am feeling fairly generous, he can suck on this:
https://ibb.co/GQqqfgLZ
That's a pic of me (foreground) and a gentleman I've known for many
years by the name of Gene Cook. Unfortunately Gene passed away a couple
of years ago after a long illness, but in his heyday he was a very
famous and successful speedway racer from Tasmania and after retiring
from racing moved to Victoria and ran an engine dyno shop in
Tullamarine. I used to use his Dyno all the time, and Gene & I went back
to my Repco days where we both knew some of the same people.
In fact, on a previous occasion here I recounted a story of a 350 Chev
that I did a Ford Cleveland head conversion on that with a Dominator
carb made around 500hp and eventually sold it to "a guy who ran it in a speedway car". Gene was that guy.
In this pic, he and I are running 408 cubic inch custom Ford engine that
I'd built for a neighbour, and we're checking out an issue after power suddenly dropped off after a couple of dyno pulls. As it turned out the
end of a pushrod had failed and embedded itself into a rocker arm, and
I'm pointing to the rocker while Gene is winding the engine over.
A short video of the engine running:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nz6vI2OZ0c
Here we're setting the total timing after giving the engine a few runs
and warming up the oil. The dyno room is about 5x3 mtrs, and while it's fairly quiet on the outside with the doors closed thanks to being well insulated, it's as loud as fuck while you're in there with a running
engine even when the pipes are directed out through the ducting. I've
done stuff like this *many* times, and it's no surprise that my hearing
is down to 40% on one side and 55% on the other.
No doubt the people here who know me will verify that it is indeed me in
the blue shirt with the grey hair. The third guy is the engine's owner
who wanted to come along and see how it all worked.
On 08-Jun-26 5:20 PM, Keithr0 wrote:
On 8/06/2026 3:41 pm, jonz wrote:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 08-Jun-26 1:49 PM, Keithr0 wrote:
On 8/06/2026 1:01 pm, alvey wrote:
Noddy wrote:
On 7/06/2026 8:52 pm, Axel wrote:
alvey wrote:
and the latest.. built/tuned so many performance engines it's
damaged his hearing
It's not difficult to do Felix. When you expose yourself to very
loud noises it has an effect.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Certainly does!..... I have 'Industrial deafness',Many years of loud
truck engines, heavy machinery, loaders, dozers etc.. And nobody to
say "You`re going to pay for this down the track!"
-a-a-a Now wearing two hearing aids.:(
My hearing is not great due to 40 years in computer rooms with
hundreds of noisy fans, and 65 years of loud rock 'n' roll. I have
hearing aids but don't use them much.
I have to use them now, otherwise I miss a lot of what is being said,
and have to have volume on everything turned waaay up. Not good for community relations..:)
enPlease explain how you prove deafness over Usenet. You say a lot of
Lgineset's see some proof hey Fraudster.
stupid things, but this is well up in the top ten.
On 08-Jun-26 9:11 PM, Noddy wrote:
On 8/06/2026 8:25 pm, Keithr0 wrote:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 8/06/2026 6:07 pm, alvey wrote:
How about some pix of Fraudster up to his neck in a performance
engine? You know, like people have been doing since the dawn of
digital.
You take photos of everything that you do, you must be up to your
neck in boring photos
I think he's up to his neck in a lot of things. None of it seemingly
having much of a bearing on reality. But since I've had a great day
and am feeling fairly generous, he can suck on this:
https://ibb.co/GQqqfgLZ
That's a pic of me (foreground) and a gentleman I've known for many
years by the name of Gene Cook. Unfortunately Gene passed away a
couple of years ago after a long illness, but in his heyday he was a
very famous and successful speedway racer from Tasmania and after
retiring from racing moved to Victoria and ran an engine dyno shop in
Tullamarine. I used to use his Dyno all the time, and Gene & I went
back to my Repco days where we both knew some of the same people.
In fact, on a previous occasion here I recounted a story of a 350 Chev
that I did a Ford Cleveland head conversion on that with a Dominator
carb made around 500hp and eventually sold it to "a guy who ran it in
a speedway car". Gene was that guy.
In this pic, he and I are running 408 cubic inch custom Ford engine
that I'd built for a neighbour, and we're checking out an issue after
power suddenly dropped off after a couple of dyno pulls. As it turned
out the end of a pushrod had failed and embedded itself into a rocker
arm, and I'm pointing to the rocker while Gene is winding the engine
over.
A short video of the engine running:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nz6vI2OZ0c
Here we're setting the total timing after giving the engine a few runs
and warming up the oil. The dyno room is about 5x3 mtrs, and while
it's fairly quiet on the outside with the doors closed thanks to being
well insulated, it's as loud as fuck while you're in there with a
running engine even when the pipes are directed out through the
ducting. I've done stuff like this *many* times, and it's no surprise
that my hearing is down to 40% on one side and 55% on the other.
No doubt the people here who know me will verify that it is indeed me
in the blue shirt with the grey hair. The third guy is the engine's
owner who wanted to come along and see how it all worked.
Very conclusive!!, Should shut the know nothing, braying, alvey cunt up
one would think!. Everything that was asked for, right there!.
-aBTW, sounds like (G) our hearing would be on a par.
On 08-Jun-26 9:11 PM, Noddy wrote:
No doubt the people here who know me will verify that it is indeed me~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
in the blue shirt with the grey hair. The third guy is the engine's
owner who wanted to come along and see how it all worked.
Very conclusive!!, Should shut the know nothing, braying, alvey cunt up
one would think!. Everything that was asked for, right there!.
-aBTW, sounds like (G) our hearing would be on a par.
On 9/06/2026 10:20 am, jonz wrote:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
No doubt the people here who know me will verify that it is indeed me
in the blue shirt with the grey hair. The third guy is the engine's
owner who wanted to come along and see how it all worked.
Very conclusive!!, Should shut the know nothing, braying, alvey cunt
up one would think!. Everything that was asked for, right there!.
-a-aBTW, sounds like (G) our hearing would be on a par.
"Should shut the know nothing, braying, alvey cunt up", come on jonz,
you know better than that.
On 9/06/2026 9:53 am, jonz wrote:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 08-Jun-26 5:20 PM, Keithr0 wrote:
On 8/06/2026 3:41 pm, jonz wrote:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 08-Jun-26 1:49 PM, Keithr0 wrote:
On 8/06/2026 1:01 pm, alvey wrote:
Noddy wrote:
On 7/06/2026 8:52 pm, Axel wrote:
alvey wrote:
and the latest.. built/tuned so many performance engines it's >>>>>>>> damaged his hearing
It's not difficult to do Felix. When you expose yourself to very >>>>>>> loud noises it has an effect.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Certainly does!..... I have 'Industrial deafness',Many years of loud
truck engines, heavy machinery, loaders, dozers etc.. And nobody to
say "You`re going to pay for this down the track!"
-a-a-a Now wearing two hearing aids.:(
My hearing is not great due to 40 years in computer rooms with
hundreds of noisy fans, and 65 years of loud rock 'n' roll. I have
hearing aids but don't use them much.
I have to use them now, otherwise I miss a lot of what is being said,
and have to have volume on everything turned waaay up. Not good for
community relations..:)
Get you self a pair of bluetooth headphones.
enPlease explain how you prove deafness over Usenet. You say a lot of >>>>> stupid things, but this is well up in the top ten.
Lgineset's see some proof hey Fraudster.
On 9/06/2026 10:20 am, jonz wrote:
On 08-Jun-26 9:11 PM, Noddy wrote:
On 8/06/2026 8:25 pm, Keithr0 wrote:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 8/06/2026 6:07 pm, alvey wrote:
How about some pix of Fraudster up to his neck in a performance
engine? You know, like people have been doing since the dawn of
digital.
You take photos of everything that you do, you must be up to your
neck in boring photos
I think he's up to his neck in a lot of things. None of it seemingly
having much of a bearing on reality. But since I've had a great day
and am feeling fairly generous, he can suck on this:
https://ibb.co/GQqqfgLZ
That's a pic of me (foreground) and a gentleman I've known for many
years by the name of Gene Cook. Unfortunately Gene passed away a
couple of years ago after a long illness, but in his heyday he was a
very famous and successful speedway racer from Tasmania and after
retiring from racing moved to Victoria and ran an engine dyno shop in
Tullamarine. I used to use his Dyno all the time, and Gene & I went
back to my Repco days where we both knew some of the same people.
In fact, on a previous occasion here I recounted a story of a 350
Chev that I did a Ford Cleveland head conversion on that with a
Dominator carb made around 500hp and eventually sold it to "a guy who
ran it in a speedway car". Gene was that guy.
In this pic, he and I are running 408 cubic inch custom Ford engine
that I'd built for a neighbour, and we're checking out an issue after
power suddenly dropped off after a couple of dyno pulls. As it turned
out the end of a pushrod had failed and embedded itself into a rocker
arm, and I'm pointing to the rocker while Gene is winding the engine
over.
A short video of the engine running:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nz6vI2OZ0c
Here we're setting the total timing after giving the engine a few
runs and warming up the oil. The dyno room is about 5x3 mtrs, and
while it's fairly quiet on the outside with the doors closed thanks
to being well insulated, it's as loud as fuck while you're in there
with a running engine even when the pipes are directed out through
the ducting. I've done stuff like this *many* times, and it's no
surprise that my hearing is down to 40% on one side and 55% on the
other.
No doubt the people here who know me will verify that it is indeed me
in the blue shirt with the grey hair. The third guy is the engine's
owner who wanted to come along and see how it all worked.
Very conclusive!!, Should shut the know nothing, braying, alvey cunt
up one would think!. Everything that was asked for, right there!.
-a-aBTW, sounds like (G) our hearing would be on a par.
"Should shut the know nothing, braying, alvey cunt up", come on jonz,
you know better than that.
On 9/06/2026 10:20 am, jonz wrote:
On 08-Jun-26 9:11 PM, Noddy wrote:
No doubt the people here who know me will verify that it is indeed me~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
in the blue shirt with the grey hair. The third guy is the engine's
owner who wanted to come along and see how it all worked.
Very conclusive!!, Should shut the know nothing, braying, alvey cunt
up one would think!. Everything that was asked for, right there!.
I fully expect him and his retarded mates to go remarkably quiet on this
and then move on to something else as they perpetually fail to be
satisfied with anything :)
-a-aBTW, sounds like (G) our hearing would be on a par.
Probably. It comes with age for many people, but exposing yourself to
load noises over many years has a cumulative effect. Loud engines, noisy machine shops, loud trucks. Noisy computer rooms. It doesn't matter what
it is. It all winds up doing the same thing.
On 9/06/2026 10:20 am, jonz wrote:
On 08-Jun-26 9:11 PM, Noddy wrote:
On 8/06/2026 8:25 pm, Keithr0 wrote:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 8/06/2026 6:07 pm, alvey wrote:
How about some pix of Fraudster up to his neck in a performance
engine? You know, like people have been doing since the dawn of
digital.
You take photos of everything that you do, you must be up to your
neck in boring photos
I think he's up to his neck in a lot of things. None of it seemingly
having much of a bearing on reality. But since I've had a great day
and am feeling fairly generous, he can suck on this:
https://ibb.co/GQqqfgLZ
That's a pic of me (foreground) and a gentleman I've known for many
years by the name of Gene Cook. Unfortunately Gene passed away a
couple of years ago after a long illness, but in his heyday he was a
very famous and successful speedway racer from Tasmania and after
retiring from racing moved to Victoria and ran an engine dyno shop
in Tullamarine. I used to use his Dyno all the time, and Gene & I
went back to my Repco days where we both knew some of the same people.
In fact, on a previous occasion here I recounted a story of a 350
Chev that I did a Ford Cleveland head conversion on that with a
Dominator carb made around 500hp and eventually sold it to "a guy
who ran it in a speedway car". Gene was that guy.
In this pic, he and I are running 408 cubic inch custom Ford engine
that I'd built for a neighbour, and we're checking out an issue
after power suddenly dropped off after a couple of dyno pulls. As it
turned out the end of a pushrod had failed and embedded itself into
a rocker arm, and I'm pointing to the rocker while Gene is winding
the engine over.
A short video of the engine running:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nz6vI2OZ0c
Here we're setting the total timing after giving the engine a few
runs and warming up the oil. The dyno room is about 5x3 mtrs, and
while it's fairly quiet on the outside with the doors closed thanks
to being well insulated, it's as loud as fuck while you're in there
with a running engine even when the pipes are directed out through
the ducting. I've done stuff like this *many* times, and it's no
surprise that my hearing is down to 40% on one side and 55% on the
other.
No doubt the people here who know me will verify that it is indeed
me in the blue shirt with the grey hair. The third guy is the
engine's owner who wanted to come along and see how it all worked.
Very conclusive!!, Should shut the know nothing, braying, alvey cunt
up one would think!. Everything that was asked for, right there!.
-a-aBTW, sounds like (G) our hearing would be on a par.
"Should shut the know nothing, braying, alvey cunt up", come on jonz,
you know better than that.
On 8/06/2026 8:25 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 8/06/2026 6:07 pm, alvey wrote:
How about some pix of Fraudster up to his neck in a performance
engine? You know, like people have been doing since the dawn of digital.
You take photos of everything that you do, you must be up to your neck
in boring photos
I think he's up to his neck in a lot of things. None of it seemingly
having much of a bearing on reality. But since I've had a great day and
am feeling fairly generous, he can suck on this:
https://ibb.co/GQqqfgLZ
That's a pic of me (foreground) and a gentleman I've known for many
years by the name of Gene Cook. Unfortunately Gene passed away a couple
of years ago after a long illness, but in his heyday he was a very
famous and successful speedway racer from Tasmania and after retiring
from racing moved to Victoria and ran an engine dyno shop in
Tullamarine. I used to use his Dyno all the time, and Gene & I went back
to my Repco days where we both knew some of the same people.
In fact, on a previous occasion here I recounted a story of a 350 Chev
that I did a Ford Cleveland head conversion on that with a Dominator
carb made around 500hp and eventually sold it to "a guy who ran it in a speedway car". Gene was that guy.
In this pic, he and I are running 408 cubic inch custom Ford engine that
I'd built for a neighbour, and we're checking out an issue after power suddenly dropped off after a couple of dyno pulls. As it turned out the
end of a pushrod had failed and embedded itself into a rocker arm, and
I'm pointing to the rocker while Gene is winding the engine over.
A short video of the engine running:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nz6vI2OZ0c
Here we're setting the total timing after giving the engine a few runs
and warming up the oil. The dyno room is about 5x3 mtrs, and while it's fairly quiet on the outside with the doors closed thanks to being well insulated, it's as loud as fuck while you're in there with a running
engine even when the pipes are directed out through the ducting. I've
done stuff like this *many* times, and it's no surprise that my hearing
is down to 40% on one side and 55% on the other.
No doubt the people here who know me will verify that it is indeed me in
the blue shirt with the grey hair. The third guy is the engine's owner
who wanted to come along and see how it all worked.
On 9/06/2026 10:20 am, jonz wrote:
On 08-Jun-26 9:11 PM, Noddy wrote:
No doubt the people here who know me will verify that it is indeed me~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
in the blue shirt with the grey hair. The third guy is the engine's
owner who wanted to come along and see how it all worked.
Very conclusive!!, Should shut the know nothing, braying, alvey cunt
up one would think!. Everything that was asked for, right there!.
I fully expect him and his retarded mates to go remarkably quiet on this
and then move on to something else as they perpetually fail to be
satisfied with anything :)
-a-aBTW, sounds like (G) our hearing would be on a par.
Probably. It comes with age for many people, but exposing yourself to
load noises over many years has a cumulative effect. Loud engines, noisy machine shops, loud trucks. Noisy computer rooms. It doesn't matter what
it is. It all winds up doing the same thing.
On 8/06/2026 8:25 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 8/06/2026 6:07 pm, alvey wrote:
How about some pix of Fraudster up to his neck in a performance
engine? You know, like people have been doing since the dawn of digital.
You take photos of everything that you do, you must be up to your neck
in boring photos
I think he's up to his neck in a lot of things. None of it seemingly
having much of a bearing on reality. But since I've had a great day and
am feeling fairly generous, he can suck on this:
https://ibb.co/GQqqfgLZ
That's a pic of me (foreground) and a gentleman I've known for many
years by the name of Gene Cook. Unfortunately Gene passed away a couple
of years ago after a long illness, but in his heyday he was a very
famous and successful speedway racer from Tasmania and after retiring
from racing moved to Victoria and ran an engine dyno shop in
Tullamarine. I used to use his Dyno all the time, and Gene & I went back
to my Repco days where we both knew some of the same people.
In fact, on a previous occasion here I recounted a story of a 350 Chev
that I did a Ford Cleveland head conversion on that with a Dominator
carb made around 500hp and eventually sold it to "a guy who ran it in a speedway car". Gene was that guy.
In this pic, he and I are running 408 cubic inch custom Ford engine that
I'd built for a neighbour, and we're checking out an issue after power suddenly dropped off after a couple of dyno pulls. As it turned out the
end of a pushrod had failed and embedded itself into a rocker arm, and
I'm pointing to the rocker while Gene is winding the engine over.
A short video of the engine running:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nz6vI2OZ0c
Here we're setting the total timing after giving the engine a few runs
and warming up the oil. The dyno room is about 5x3 mtrs, and while it's fairly quiet on the outside with the doors closed thanks to being well insulated, it's as loud as fuck while you're in there with a running
engine even when the pipes are directed out through the ducting. I've
done stuff like this *many* times, and it's no surprise that my hearing
is down to 40% on one side and 55% on the other.
No doubt the people here who know me will verify that it is indeed me in
the blue shirt with the grey hair. The third guy is the engine's owner
who wanted to come along and see how it all worked.
On 9/06/2026 11:21 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 9/06/2026 10:20 am, jonz wrote:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
No doubt the people here who know me will verify that it is indeed
me in the blue shirt with the grey hair. The third guy is the
engine's owner who wanted to come along and see how it all worked.
Very conclusive!!, Should shut the know nothing, braying, alvey cunt
up one would think!. Everything that was asked for, right there!.
-a-aBTW, sounds like (G) our hearing would be on a par.
"Should shut the know nothing, braying, alvey cunt up", come on jonz,
you know better than that.
Lol :)
Keithr0 wrote:
On 9/06/2026 10:20 am, jonz wrote:
Very conclusive!!, Should shut the know nothing, braying, alvey cunt
up one would think!. Everything that was asked for, right there!.
-a-aBTW, sounds like (G) our hearing would be on a par.
"Should shut the know nothing, braying, alvey cunt up", come on jonz,
you know better than that.
yes, polite ppl don't use such language in public :)
On 9/06/2026 10:20 am, jonz wrote:
On 08-Jun-26 9:11 PM, Noddy wrote:
No doubt the people here who know me will verify that it is indeed me~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
in the blue shirt with the grey hair. The third guy is the engine's
owner who wanted to come along and see how it all worked.
Very conclusive!!, Should shut the know nothing, braying, alvey cunt
up one would think!. Everything that was asked for, right there!.
I fully expect him and his retarded mates to go remarkably quiet on this
and then move on to something else as they perpetually fail to be
satisfied with anything :)
-a-aBTW, sounds like (G) our hearing would be on a par.
Probably. It comes with age for many people, but exposing yourself to
load noises over many years has a cumulative effect. Loud engines, noisy machine shops, loud trucks. Noisy computer rooms.
On 8/06/2026 11:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 7/06/2026 8:14 pm, Daryl wrote:
What is RCA? Rear cross traffic alert?
**Yep.
Why do you need or want that?
**It is, arguably, the best safety feature, at very modest cost,
available on modern cars.
It's a handy feature,
behind antilock brakes, traction control and stability control in my books.**You're entitled to your opinion. Antilock brakes? Never experienced
On 8/6/2026 9:11 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 8/06/2026 8:25 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 8/06/2026 6:07 pm, alvey wrote:
How about some pix of Fraudster up to his neck in a performance
engine? You know, like people have been doing since the dawn of
digital.
You take photos of everything that you do, you must be up to your
neck in boring photos
I think he's up to his neck in a lot of things. None of it seemingly
having much of a bearing on reality. But since I've had a great day
and am feeling fairly generous, he can suck on this:
https://ibb.co/GQqqfgLZ
That's a pic of me (foreground) and a gentleman I've known for many
years by the name of Gene Cook. Unfortunately Gene passed away a
couple of years ago after a long illness, but in his heyday he was a
very famous and successful speedway racer from Tasmania and after
retiring from racing moved to Victoria and ran an engine dyno shop in
Tullamarine. I used to use his Dyno all the time, and Gene & I went
back to my Repco days where we both knew some of the same people.
Your Repco days, the one's where you were a TA. Most people I know who
have a dyno tend to keep nuff nuffs away from it. All too easy to
destroy a dyno with incompetence you see, and you have incompetence
written all over you. All I can see is you were there. Nothing in that
pic tells me that you were the engine builder. I have pics somewhere
here of me in the then TAA flight simulator at Tullamarine but that
doesn't prove that I was *flying* that simulator nor that I am a pilot,
just that I was there and sat in the pilot's seat. No different to the
pic above.
In fact, on a previous occasion here I recounted a story of a 350 Chev
that I did a Ford Cleveland head conversion on that with a Dominator
carb made around 500hp and eventually sold it to "a guy who ran it in
a speedway car". Gene was that guy.
Odd that you have no pics. Nah, I'd expect it to be difficult to take
photos of your delusions. And you have a track record of lying.
In this pic, he and I are running 408 cubic inch custom Ford engine
that I'd built for a neighbour, and we're checking out an issue after
power suddenly dropped off after a couple of dyno pulls. As it turned
out the end of a pushrod had failed and embedded itself into a rocker
arm, and I'm pointing to the rocker while Gene is winding the engine
over.
A short video of the engine running:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nz6vI2OZ0c
Here we're setting the total timing after giving the engine a few runs
Watching Gene. I can't see more than one person actively engaged. I
notice Gene is the one operating the dyno. That is precisely what I'd expect, the expert doing the work, the passion fingered nuff nuffs
standing to one side watching.
and warming up the oil. The dyno room is about 5x3 mtrs, and while
it's fairly quiet on the outside with the doors closed thanks to being
well insulated, it's as loud as fuck while you're in there with a running
So why were you in there you fool?
engine even when the pipes are directed out through the ducting. I've
done stuff like this *many* times, and it's no surprise that my
hearing is down to 40% on one side and 55% on the other.
Yes, the video shows quite clearly that not only are you a liar but you
are also utterly stupid. I see two people watching Gene doing the
tuning. I note Gene has hearing protection - wise move. I note that the
two idiots observers do not. Yes, it's no surprise that an idiot has
lost his hearing.
No doubt the people here who know me will verify that it is indeed meYes, just what we wanted to see, another incompetent pretender. It may
in the blue shirt with the grey hair. The third guy is the engine's
owner who wanted to come along and see how it all worked.
be you in the blue shirt but the picture proves nothing but that you
*knew* Gene Cook or that you had been in his establishment once. But
then, I knew him also. In fact I knew him when he was racing at Carrick
in his very earliest days when I was pit crewing for my mate who raced
there as well. We lived in the same LGA and the Carrick track was home
turf for us both. I used to fuel up at Gene's BP station since I lived
down the road past it. I used to chew the fat with one of Gene's pit
crew there, bloke by the name of Williams IIRC. Gene used to race
against another chap I knew who also raced old Customlines. His name was Bill Burns. Bill had no chance against Gene Cook. Bill was almost too
old to get a CAMS licence back in those days and wasn't prepared to take
the chances Gene used to often take. Do I have pictures? No. I wasn't
into photography then, too busy in the pits. Ron, the owner of the car I
pit crewed for, would likely have some since, after all, it was his car.
On 8/06/2026 6:15 pm, Noddy wrote:
-aIt's a long way
behind antilock brakes, traction control and stability control in my
books.
**You're entitled to your opinion. Antilock brakes? Never experienced
them. Yet.
Good things though. Traction control? Possibly. I've driven
the Suby on gravel up a 21% slope and noted that there was zero loss of traction, so, probably. Stability control? I believe a little light
comes on to indicate when it is in action. Never seen it.
I have a mate who drove his Ford Fiesta as hard as he could down from Kuranda to
Cairns (he was late for a flight). He put the car into the local Ford dealer, complaining that the stability control light never came on. They checked the system and found it to be operational. It seems that it is
quite difficult to trigger.
I can only imagine that the Suby's level of
grip is way higher than the Fiesta. I doubt I have ever come close to
the limits (in the dry) of the Suby.
I have witnessed the action of RCA though. Cheap, effective and life- saving. Without doubt.
On 9/6/2026 11:39 am, Noddy wrote:
On 9/06/2026 10:20 am, jonz wrote:
On 08-Jun-26 9:11 PM, Noddy wrote:
No doubt the people here who know me will verify that it is indeed~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
me in the blue shirt with the grey hair. The third guy is the
engine's owner who wanted to come along and see how it all worked.
Very conclusive!!, Should shut the know nothing, braying, alvey cunt
up one would think!. Everything that was asked for, right there!.
I fully expect him and his retarded mates to go remarkably quiet on
this and then move on to something else as they perpetually fail to
be satisfied with anything :)
Quiet Darren? You wish.
-a-aBTW, sounds like (G) our hearing would be on a par.
Probably. It comes with age for many people, but exposing yourself to
load noises over many years has a cumulative effect. Loud engines,
noisy machine shops, loud trucks. Noisy computer rooms. It doesn't
matter what it is. It all winds up doing the same thing.
When you fail to use hearing protection in noisy environments, you
deserve what you get. My wife worked in factory environments for over
40 years and still has good hearing. That's simply because of her
wearing appropriate hearing protection - you know, like Gene Cook was wearing and you, like a fool, failed to wear.
Noddy wrote:
On 9/06/2026 11:21 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 9/06/2026 10:20 am, jonz wrote:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
No doubt the people here who know me will verify that it is indeed
me in the blue shirt with the grey hair. The third guy is the
engine's owner who wanted to come along and see how it all worked.
Very conclusive!!, Should shut the know nothing, braying, alvey cunt
up one would think!. Everything that was asked for, right there!.
-a-aBTW, sounds like (G) our hearing would be on a par.
"Should shut the know nothing, braying, alvey cunt up", come on jonz,
you know better than that.
Lol :)
Schmacko's all round!
Xeno Lith wrote:
On 9/6/2026 11:39 am, Noddy wrote:
On 9/06/2026 10:20 am, jonz wrote:
On 08-Jun-26 9:11 PM, Noddy wrote:
No doubt the people here who know me will verify that it is indeed~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
me in the blue shirt with the grey hair. The third guy is the
engine's owner who wanted to come along and see how it all worked.
Very conclusive!!, Should shut the know nothing, braying, alvey cunt
up one would think!. Everything that was asked for, right there!.
I fully expect him and his retarded mates to go remarkably quiet on
this and then move on to something else as they perpetually fail to
be satisfied with anything :)
Quiet Darren? You wish.
-a-aBTW, sounds like (G) our hearing would be on a par.
Probably. It comes with age for many people, but exposing yourself to
load noises over many years has a cumulative effect. Loud engines,
noisy machine shops, loud trucks. Noisy computer rooms. It doesn't
matter what it is. It all winds up doing the same thing.
When you fail to use hearing protection in noisy environments, you
deserve what you get. My wife worked in factory environments for over
40 years and still has good hearing. That's simply because of her
wearing appropriate hearing protection - you know, like Gene Cook was
wearing and you, like a fool, failed to wear.
if he has been exposed to excessive noise 'over many years' and failed
to use hearing protection, then he has only himself to blame for any
hearing loss. when I bought a chain saw not so long ago it came with ear cups.
On 8/06/2026 6:15 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 8/06/2026 11:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 7/06/2026 8:14 pm, Daryl wrote:
What is RCA? Rear cross traffic alert?
**Yep.
Why do you need or want that?
**It is, arguably, the best safety feature, at very modest cost,
available on modern cars.
It's a handy feature,
**No. It's a life-saver. As I can attest.
-abut the best safety feature?
**I said: "arguably".
-aIt's a long way
behind antilock brakes, traction control and stability control in my**You're entitled to your opinion. Antilock brakes? Never experienced
books.
them. Yet. Good things though. Traction control? Possibly. I've driven
the Suby on gravel up a 21% slope and noted that there was zero loss
of traction, so, probably. Stability control? I believe a little light
comes on to indicate when it is in action. Never seen it. I have a
mate who drove his Ford Fiesta as hard as he could down from Kuranda
to Cairns (he was late for a flight). He put the car into the local
Ford dealer, complaining that the stability control light never came
on. They checked the system and found it to be operational. It seems
that it is quite difficult to trigger. I can only imagine that the
Suby's level of grip is way higher than the Fiesta. I doubt I have
ever come close to the limits (in the dry) of the Suby.
I have witnessed the action of RCA though. Cheap, effective and
life-saving. Without doubt.
Noddy wrote:
On 9/06/2026 10:20 am, jonz wrote:
On 08-Jun-26 9:11 PM, Noddy wrote:
No doubt the people here who know me will verify that it is indeed~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
me in the blue shirt with the grey hair. The third guy is the
engine's owner who wanted to come along and see how it all worked.
Very conclusive!!, Should shut the know nothing, braying, alvey cunt
up one would think!. Everything that was asked for, right there!.
I fully expect him and his retarded mates to go remarkably quiet on
this and then move on to something else as they perpetually fail to be
satisfied with anything :)
Wrong yet again Fraudster. Your 'proof' is non-existent and you're just *hoping* that I'll go "remarkably quiet". That's not going to happen
with this dismal quality of proof.
-a-aBTW, sounds like (G) our hearing would be on a par.
Probably. It comes with age for many people, but exposing yourself to
load noises over many years has a cumulative effect. Loud engines,
noisy machine shops, loud trucks. Noisy computer rooms.
eh? What "computer rooms" would you have ever been in Fraudster?
On 9/06/2026 7:02 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno Lith wrote:When you were i the Army, did they issue ear defenders when on the range?
On 9/6/2026 11:39 am, Noddy wrote:
On 9/06/2026 10:20 am, jonz wrote:
On 08-Jun-26 9:11 PM, Noddy wrote:
No doubt the people here who know me will verify that it is~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
indeed me in the blue shirt with the grey hair. The third guy is
the engine's owner who wanted to come along and see how it all
worked.
Very conclusive!!, Should shut the know nothing, braying, alvey
cunt up one would think!. Everything that was asked for, right
there!.
I fully expect him and his retarded mates to go remarkably quiet on
this and then move on to something else as they perpetually fail to
be satisfied with anything :)
Quiet Darren? You wish.
-a-aBTW, sounds like (G) our hearing would be on a par.
Probably. It comes with age for many people, but exposing yourself
to load noises over many years has a cumulative effect. Loud
engines, noisy machine shops, loud trucks. Noisy computer rooms. It
doesn't matter what it is. It all winds up doing the same thing.
When you fail to use hearing protection in noisy environments, you
deserve what you get. My wife worked in factory environments for
over 40 years and still has good hearing. That's simply because of
her wearing appropriate hearing protection - you know, like Gene
Cook was wearing and you, like a fool, failed to wear.
if he has been exposed to excessive noise 'over many years' and
failed to use hearing protection, then he has only himself to blame
for any hearing loss. when I bought a chain saw not so long ago it
came with ear cups.
On 8/6/2026 9:11 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 8/06/2026 8:25 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 8/06/2026 6:07 pm, alvey wrote:
How about some pix of Fraudster up to his neck in a performance
engine? You know, like people have been doing since the dawn of
digital.
You take photos of everything that you do, you must be up to your
neck in boring photos
I think he's up to his neck in a lot of things. None of it seemingly
having much of a bearing on reality. But since I've had a great day
and am feeling fairly generous, he can suck on this:
https://ibb.co/GQqqfgLZ
That's a pic of me (foreground) and a gentleman I've known for many
years by the name of Gene Cook. Unfortunately Gene passed away a
couple of years ago after a long illness, but in his heyday he was a
very famous and successful speedway racer from Tasmania and after
retiring from racing moved to Victoria and ran an engine dyno shop in
Tullamarine. I used to use his Dyno all the time, and Gene & I went
back to my Repco days where we both knew some of the same people.
Your Repco days, the one's where you were a TA. Most people I know who
have a dyno tend to keep nuff nuffs away from it. All too easy to
destroy a dyno with incompetence you see, and you have incompetence
written all over you. All I can see is you were there. Nothing in that
pic tells me that you were the engine builder. I have pics somewhere
here of me in the then TAA flight simulator at Tullamarine but that
doesn't prove that I was *flying* that simulator nor that I am a
pilot, just that I was there and sat in the pilot's seat. No different
to the pic above.
In fact, on a previous occasion here I recounted a story of a 350
Chev that I did a Ford Cleveland head conversion on that with a
Dominator carb made around 500hp and eventually sold it to "a guy who
ran it in a speedway car". Gene was that guy.
Odd that you have no pics. Nah, I'd expect it to be difficult to take
photos of your delusions. And you have a track record of lying.
In this pic, he and I are running 408 cubic inch custom Ford engine
that I'd built for a neighbour, and we're checking out an issue after
power suddenly dropped off after a couple of dyno pulls. As it turned
out the end of a pushrod had failed and embedded itself into a rocker
arm, and I'm pointing to the rocker while Gene is winding the engine
over.
A short video of the engine running:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nz6vI2OZ0c
Here we're setting the total timing after giving the engine a few runs
Watching Gene. I can't see more than one person actively engaged. I
notice Gene is the one operating the dyno. That is precisely what I'd expect, the expert doing the work, the passion fingered nuff nuffs
standing to one side watching.
--and warming up the oil. The dyno room is about 5x3 mtrs, and while
it's fairly quiet on the outside with the doors closed thanks to
being well insulated, it's as loud as fuck while you're in there with
a running
So why were you in there you fool?
engine even when the pipes are directed out through the ducting. I've
done stuff like this *many* times, and it's no surprise that my
hearing is down to 40% on one side and 55% on the other.
Yes, the video shows quite clearly that not only are you a liar but
you are also utterly stupid. I see two people watching Gene doing the tuning. I note Gene has hearing protection - wise move. I note that
the two idiots observers do not. Yes, it's no surprise that an idiot
has lost his hearing.
Yes, just what we wanted to see, another incompetent pretender. It may
No doubt the people here who know me will verify that it is indeed me
in the blue shirt with the grey hair. The third guy is the engine's
owner who wanted to come along and see how it all worked.
be you in the blue shirt but the picture proves nothing but that you
*knew* Gene Cook or that you had been in his establishment once. But
then, I knew him also. In fact I knew him when he was racing at
Carrick in his very earliest days when I was pit crewing for my mate
who raced there as well. We lived in the same LGA and the Carrick
track was home turf for us both. I used to fuel up at Gene's BP
station since I lived down the road past it. I used to chew the fat
with one of Gene's pit crew there, bloke by the name of Williams IIRC.
Gene used to race against another chap I knew who also raced old Customlines. His name was Bill Burns. Bill had no chance against Gene
Cook. Bill was almost too old to get a CAMS licence back in those days
and wasn't prepared to take the chances Gene used to often take. Do I
have pictures? No. I wasn't into photography then, too busy in the
pits. Ron, the owner of the car I pit crewed for, would likely have
some since, after all, it was his car.
____
Xeno
Keithr0 wrote:
On 9/06/2026 7:02 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno Lith wrote:When you were i the Army, did they issue ear defenders when on the range?
On 9/6/2026 11:39 am, Noddy wrote:
On 9/06/2026 10:20 am, jonz wrote:
On 08-Jun-26 9:11 PM, Noddy wrote:
No doubt the people here who know me will verify that it is~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
indeed me in the blue shirt with the grey hair. The third guy is >>>>>>> the engine's owner who wanted to come along and see how it all
worked.
Very conclusive!!, Should shut the know nothing, braying, alvey
cunt up one would think!. Everything that was asked for, right
there!.
I fully expect him and his retarded mates to go remarkably quiet on >>>>> this and then move on to something else as they perpetually fail to >>>>> be satisfied with anything :)
Quiet Darren? You wish.
-a-aBTW, sounds like (G) our hearing would be on a par.
Probably. It comes with age for many people, but exposing yourself
to load noises over many years has a cumulative effect. Loud
engines, noisy machine shops, loud trucks. Noisy computer rooms. It >>>>> doesn't matter what it is. It all winds up doing the same thing.
When you fail to use hearing protection in noisy environments, you
deserve what you get. My wife worked in factory environments for
over 40 years and still has good hearing. That's simply because of
her wearing appropriate hearing protection - you know, like Gene
Cook was wearing and you, like a fool, failed to wear.
if he has been exposed to excessive noise 'over many years' and
failed to use hearing protection, then he has only himself to blame
for any hearing loss. when I bought a chain saw not so long ago it
came with ear cups.
no. only for artillery
if he has been exposed to excessive noise 'over many years' and failed
to use hearing protection, then he has only himself to blame for any
hearing loss. when I bought a chain saw not so long ago it came with ear cups.
On 9/06/2026 5:52 pm, alvey wrote:
eh? What "computer rooms" would you have ever been in Fraudster?He is referring to the post that I made on the subject. Talk about going
off half cocked, more like going off half arsed.
On 9/06/2026 7:02 pm, Axel wrote:
if he has been exposed to excessive noise 'over many years' and failed
to use hearing protection, then he has only himself to blame for any
hearing loss. when I bought a chain saw not so long ago it came with
ear cups.
Felix, do you go out of your way to be this fucking stupid?
I was never *blaming* anyone for my hearing loss. I simply mentioned
that after years of exposure to loud engines my hearing has suffered as
a result. That is indeed no one's fault but mine, but who's fault it was
was never the point. Until I proved it to you and suddenly you and your imbecilic mates have to try to move the goalposts after you've all been
left with egg on your faces.
You couldn't be any more pathetic if you *wanted* to be.
On 9/06/2026 4:18 pm, Xeno Lith wrote:
Odd that you have no pics. Nah, I'd expect it to be difficult to take
photos of your delusions. And you have a track record of lying.
Odd that you have no pics of anything that you claim to have done.>>
Watching Gene. I can't see more than one person actively engaged. I
notice Gene is the one operating the dyno. That is precisely what I'd
expect, the expert doing the work, the passion fingered nuff nuffs
standing to one side watching.
He's not operating the dyno, he's operating the throttle and checking
the revs with a synchroscope. have though that a mechanic would have
worked that out.
So why were you in there you fool?
To make any required adjustments?>
Yes, the video shows quite clearly that not only are you a liar but
you are also utterly stupid. I see two people watching Gene doing the
tuning. I note Gene has hearing protection - wise move. I note that
the two idiots observers do not. Yes, it's no surprise that an idiot
has lost his hearing.
Tuning? He is just operating the throttle. I thought that you were
supposed to know about these things.
Yes, just what we wanted to see, another incompetent pretender. It may
be you in the blue shirt but the picture proves nothing but that you
*knew* Gene Cook or that you had been in his establishment once. But
then, I knew him also. In fact I knew him when he was racing at
Carrick in his very earliest days when I was pit crewing for my mate
who raced there as well. We lived in the same LGA and the Carrick
track was home turf for us both. I used to fuel up at Gene's BP
station since I lived down the road past it. I used to chew the fat
with one of Gene's pit crew there, bloke by the name of Williams IIRC.
Gene used to race against another chap I knew who also raced old
Customlines. His name was Bill Burns. Bill had no chance against Gene
Cook. Bill was almost too old to get a CAMS licence back in those days
and wasn't prepared to take the chances Gene used to often take. Do I
have pictures? No. I wasn't into photography then, too busy in the
pits. Ron, the owner of the car I pit crewed for, would likely have
some since, after all, it was his car.
Corse you did. How about pics of you pit crewing.
Xeno Lith wrote:
I think he's up to his neck in a lot of things. None of it seemingly
having much of a bearing on reality. But since I've had a great day
and am feeling fairly generous, he can suck on this:
https://ibb.co/GQqqfgLZ
noddy is saying " what are those blue things with the springs under them for??" :)
On 9/06/2026 7:02 pm, Axel wrote:
if he has been exposed to excessive noise 'over many years' and
failed to use hearing protection, then he has only himself to blame
for any hearing loss. when I bought a chain saw not so long ago it
came with ear cups.
Felix, do you go out of your way to be this fucking stupid?
I was never *blaming* anyone for my hearing loss. I simply mentioned
that after years of exposure to loud engines my hearing has suffered
as a result. That is indeed no one's fault but mine, but who's fault
it was was never the point. Until I proved it to you
and suddenly you and your imbecilic mates have to try to move the
goalposts after you've all been left with egg on your faces.
You couldn't be any more pathetic if you *wanted* to be.
Noddy wrote:
On 9/06/2026 7:02 pm, Axel wrote:
if he has been exposed to excessive noise 'over many years' and
failed to use hearing protection, then he has only himself to blame
for any hearing loss. when I bought a chain saw not so long ago it
came with ear cups.
Felix, do you go out of your way to be this fucking stupid?
I was never *blaming* anyone for my hearing loss. I simply mentioned
that after years of exposure to loud engines my hearing has suffered
as a result. That is indeed no one's fault but mine, but who's fault
it was was never the point. Until I proved it to you
you didn't prove anything. just a photo and a video of you looking at an
engine. but it's interesting that some things you're almost desperate to prove, but others, well, not so much
and suddenly you and your imbecilic mates have to try to move the
goalposts after you've all been left with egg on your faces.
You couldn't be any more pathetic if you *wanted* to be.
Noddy wrote:
I was never *blaming* anyone for my hearing loss. I simply mentioned
that after years of exposure to loud engines my hearing has suffered
as a result. That is indeed no one's fault but mine, but who's fault
it was was never the point. Until I proved it to you
you didn't prove anything. just a photo and a video of you looking at an engine. but it's interesting that some things you're almost desperate to prove, but others, well, not so much
On 9/06/2026 5:56 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 9/06/2026 4:18 pm, Xeno Lith wrote:
Odd that you have no pics. Nah, I'd expect it to be difficult to take
photos of your delusions. And you have a track record of lying.
Odd that you have no pics of anything that you claim to have done.>>
Including the pics he claims that prove my name doesn't appear on any records.
Watching Gene. I can't see more than one person actively engaged. I
notice Gene is the one operating the dyno. That is precisely what I'd
expect, the expert doing the work, the passion fingered nuff nuffs
standing to one side watching.
He's not operating the dyno, he's operating the throttle and checking
the revs with a synchroscope. have though that a mechanic would have
worked that out.
Apparently he's never been anywhere near an engine dyno facility, but
that doesn't stop him from being an expert about them though.
So why were you in there you fool?
To make any required adjustments?>
Yep. As I said, to adjust the timing. When running an engine on a dyno
you often have to make adjustments while the engine is running before
going back into the control room and taking a reading.
Yes, the video shows quite clearly that not only are you a liar but
you are also utterly stupid. I see two people watching Gene doing the
tuning. I note Gene has hearing protection - wise move. I note that
the two idiots observers do not. Yes, it's no surprise that an idiot
has lost his hearing.
Tuning? He is just operating the throttle. I thought that you were
supposed to know about these things.
All he's managed to show is that he knows absolutely jack, and he seems
to be getting pretty angry about it :)
Yes, just what we wanted to see, another incompetent pretender. It
may be you in the blue shirt but the picture proves nothing but that
you *knew* Gene Cook or that you had been in his establishment once.
But then, I knew him also. In fact I knew him when he was racing at
Carrick in his very earliest days when I was pit crewing for my mate
who raced there as well. We lived in the same LGA and the Carrick
track was home turf for us both. I used to fuel up at Gene's BP
station since I lived down the road past it. I used to chew the fat
with one of Gene's pit crew there, bloke by the name of Williams
IIRC. Gene used to race against another chap I knew who also raced
old Customlines. His name was Bill Burns. Bill had no chance against
Gene Cook. Bill was almost too old to get a CAMS licence back in
those days and wasn't prepared to take the chances Gene used to often
take. Do I have pictures? No. I wasn't into photography then, too
busy in the pits. Ron, the owner of the car I pit crewed for, would
likely have some since, after all, it was his car.
Corse you did. How about pics of you pit crewing.
Isn't it just pathetic? You can almost here is inferiority complex
eating away at him....
On 9/06/2026 8:52 pm, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
I was never *blaming* anyone for my hearing loss. I simply mentioned
that after years of exposure to loud engines my hearing has suffered
as a result. That is indeed no one's fault but mine, but who's fault
it was was never the point. Until I proved it to you
you didn't prove anything. just a photo and a video of you looking at
an engine. but it's interesting that some things you're almost
desperate to prove, but others, well, not so much
Like I said Felix, you can't be this stupid by accident. You commented yesterday that you doubted my exposure to loud engines. I showed you
an example to the contrary. Just one. That's all I needed to do.
And now you're having a hissy :)
Noddy wrote:
Like I said Felix, you can't be this stupid by accident. You commented
yesterday that you doubted my exposure to loud engines. I showed you
an example to the contrary. Just one. That's all I needed to do.
no it's not dumbass. how does a photo and a video of you looking at an engine prove that you spent most of your life working on such ergo your deafness?
On 9/6/2026 8:43 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 9/06/2026 5:56 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 9/06/2026 4:18 pm, Xeno Lith wrote:
Odd that you have no pics. Nah, I'd expect it to be difficult to
take photos of your delusions. And you have a track record of lying.
Odd that you have no pics of anything that you claim to have done.>>
Including the pics he claims that prove my name doesn't appear on any
records.
You can go and verify that for yourself Darren. PROV is just down the
road and your name has never been present there. Nor is it present on
the trade registration database. Care to prove me wrong? Surely you
would just love to do that? It's only logical. And you aren't farfrom
PROV either.>
Watching Gene. I can't see more than one person actively engaged. I
notice Gene is the one operating the dyno. That is precisely what
I'd expect, the expert doing the work, the passion fingered nuff
nuffs standing to one side watching.
He's not operating the dyno, he's operating the throttle and checking
the revs with a synchroscope. have though that a mechanic would have
worked that out.
Operating the throttle is *working* the dyno. Remember, the engine works under the load the dyno provides. The dyno measures how well it does that.
Apparently he's never been anywhere near an engine dyno facility, but
that doesn't stop him from being an expert about them though.
Had an engine dyno and a Chassis dyno at Richmond. The engine dyno was
in a separate test cell where the engine under test was operated in a soundproof chamber from a secure console. Did testing for GMH engines there.>
So why were you in there you fool?
To make any required adjustments?>
Yep. As I said, to adjust the timing. When running an engine on a dyno
you often have to make adjustments while the engine is running before
going back into the control room and taking a reading.
And where was the hearing protection? Non-existent. >
Yes, the video shows quite clearly that not only are you a liar but
you are also utterly stupid. I see two people watching Gene doing
the tuning. I note Gene has hearing protection - wise move. I note
that the two idiots observers do not. Yes, it's no surprise that an
idiot has lost his hearing.
Tuning? He is just operating the throttle. I thought that you were
supposed to know about these things.
All he's managed to show is that he knows absolutely jack, and he
seems to be getting pretty angry about it :)
Angry? I'm too busy laughing.>
Yes, just what we wanted to see, another incompetent pretender. It
may be you in the blue shirt but the picture proves nothing but that
you *knew* Gene Cook or that you had been in his establishment once.
But then, I knew him also. In fact I knew him when he was racing at
Carrick in his very earliest days when I was pit crewing for my mate
who raced there as well. We lived in the same LGA and the Carrick
track was home turf for us both. I used to fuel up at Gene's BP
station since I lived down the road past it. I used to chew the fat
with one of Gene's pit crew there, bloke by the name of Williams
IIRC. Gene used to race against another chap I knew who also raced
old Customlines. His name was Bill Burns. Bill had no chance against
Gene Cook. Bill was almost too old to get a CAMS licence back in
those days and wasn't prepared to take the chances Gene used to
often take. Do I have pictures? No. I wasn't into photography then,
too busy in the pits. Ron, the owner of the car I pit crewed for,
would likely have some since, after all, it was his car.
Corse you did. How about pics of you pit crewing.
You will have to ask Ron for those. I didn't even possess a camera in
those heady days.>
Isn't it just pathetic? You can almost here is inferiority complex
eating away at him....
On 9/06/2026 10:02 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 9/6/2026 8:43 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 9/06/2026 5:56 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 9/06/2026 4:18 pm, Xeno Lith wrote:
Odd that you have no pics. Nah, I'd expect it to be difficult to
take photos of your delusions. And you have a track record of lying.
Odd that you have no pics of anything that you claim to have done.>>
Including the pics he claims that prove my name doesn't appear on any
records.
You can go and verify that for yourself Darren. PROV is just down the
road and your name has never been present there. Nor is it present on
the trade registration database. Care to prove me wrong? Surely you
would just love to do that? It's only logical. And you aren't farfrom
PROV either.>
Watching Gene. I can't see more than one person actively engaged. I >>>>> notice Gene is the one operating the dyno. That is precisely what
I'd expect, the expert doing the work, the passion fingered nuff
nuffs standing to one side watching.
He's not operating the dyno, he's operating the throttle and checking >>>> the revs with a synchroscope. have though that a mechanic would have
worked that out.
Operating the throttle is *working* the dyno. Remember, the engine works
under the load the dyno provides. The dyno measures how well it does that.
"Operating the dyno" would involve setting particular operating
conditions as part of a test not just jiggling the throttle.
BTW your superiority complex is in full force, do you really think that
you are the only one here who knows what a dyno is and does?
As apprentices we got taken to various companies for works visits. One
such trip was to the Bristol Aircraft Company where we saw a dyno rather bigger than I suspect that you have come across. It was referred to as a test cell, and was running a 28 cylinder radial aero engine at the time.
We got a full explanation of how it was used and how it worked from the operators.
Apparently he's never been anywhere near an engine dyno facility, but
that doesn't stop him from being an expert about them though.
Had an engine dyno and a Chassis dyno at Richmond. The engine dyno was
in a separate test cell where the engine under test was operated in a
soundproof chamber from a secure console. Did testing for GMH engines
there.>
GMH testing it's engines at a trade school? Couldn't they afford a dyno
of their own?
So why were you in there you fool?
To make any required adjustments?>
Yep. As I said, to adjust the timing. When running an engine on a dyno
you often have to make adjustments while the engine is running before
going back into the control room and taking a reading.
And where was the hearing protection? Non-existent. >
Yes, the video shows quite clearly that not only are you a liar but >>>>> you are also utterly stupid. I see two people watching Gene doing
the tuning. I note Gene has hearing protection - wise move. I note
that the two idiots observers do not. Yes, it's no surprise that an >>>>> idiot has lost his hearing.
Tuning? He is just operating the throttle. I thought that you were
supposed to know about these things.
All he's managed to show is that he knows absolutely jack, and he
seems to be getting pretty angry about it :)
Angry? I'm too busy laughing.>
Hollow laughter. Your obsession seems to have driven logic out of your
head. You commission somebody to build you a racing engine, logically
you'd want to test the result before use. On the dyno, YOU would want to conduct the test, but, as this is probably the first time that the
engine has been fired up, you'd want the builder there in case of any problems.
Yes, just what we wanted to see, another incompetent pretender. It
may be you in the blue shirt but the picture proves nothing but that >>>>> you *knew* Gene Cook or that you had been in his establishment once. >>>>> But then, I knew him also. In fact I knew him when he was racing at >>>>> Carrick in his very earliest days when I was pit crewing for my mate >>>>> who raced there as well. We lived in the same LGA and the Carrick
track was home turf for us both. I used to fuel up at Gene's BP
station since I lived down the road past it. I used to chew the fat >>>>> with one of Gene's pit crew there, bloke by the name of Williams
IIRC. Gene used to race against another chap I knew who also raced
old Customlines. His name was Bill Burns. Bill had no chance against >>>>> Gene Cook. Bill was almost too old to get a CAMS licence back in
those days and wasn't prepared to take the chances Gene used to
often take. Do I have pictures? No. I wasn't into photography then, >>>>> too busy in the pits. Ron, the owner of the car I pit crewed for,
would likely have some since, after all, it was his car.
Corse you did. How about pics of you pit crewing.
You will have to ask Ron for those. I didn't even possess a camera in
those heady days.>
Very convenient, how is that you always come up short of that which you demand of others.
Isn't it just pathetic? You can almost here is inferiority complex
eating away at him....
On 9/06/2026 5:56 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 9/06/2026 4:18 pm, Xeno Lith wrote:
Odd that you have no pics. Nah, I'd expect it to be difficult to take
photos of your delusions. And you have a track record of lying.
Odd that you have no pics of anything that you claim to have done.>>
Including the pics he claims that prove my name doesn't appear on any records.
Watching Gene. I can't see more than one person actively engaged. I
notice Gene is the one operating the dyno. That is precisely what I'd
expect, the expert doing the work, the passion fingered nuff nuffs
standing to one side watching.
He's not operating the dyno, he's operating the throttle and checking
the revs with a synchroscope. have though that a mechanic would have
worked that out.
Apparently he's never been anywhere near an engine dyno facility, but
that doesn't stop him from being an expert about them though.
So why were you in there you fool?
To make any required adjustments?>
Yep. As I said, to adjust the timing. When running an engine on a dyno
you often have to make adjustments while the engine is running before
going back into the control room and taking a reading.
Yes, the video shows quite clearly that not only are you a liar but
you are also utterly stupid. I see two people watching Gene doing the
tuning. I note Gene has hearing protection - wise move. I note that
the two idiots observers do not. Yes, it's no surprise that an idiot
has lost his hearing.
Tuning? He is just operating the throttle. I thought that you were
supposed to know about these things.
All he's managed to show is that he knows absolutely jack, and he seems
to be getting pretty angry about it :)
Yes, just what we wanted to see, another incompetent pretender. It
may be you in the blue shirt but the picture proves nothing but that
you *knew* Gene Cook or that you had been in his establishment once.
But then, I knew him also. In fact I knew him when he was racing at
Carrick in his very earliest days when I was pit crewing for my mate
who raced there as well. We lived in the same LGA and the Carrick
track was home turf for us both. I used to fuel up at Gene's BP
station since I lived down the road past it. I used to chew the fat
with one of Gene's pit crew there, bloke by the name of Williams
IIRC. Gene used to race against another chap I knew who also raced
old Customlines. His name was Bill Burns. Bill had no chance against
Gene Cook. Bill was almost too old to get a CAMS licence back in
those days and wasn't prepared to take the chances Gene used to often
take. Do I have pictures? No. I wasn't into photography then, too
busy in the pits. Ron, the owner of the car I pit crewed for, would
likely have some since, after all, it was his car.
Corse you did. How about pics of you pit crewing.
Isn't it just pathetic? You can almost here is inferiority complex
eating away at him....
On 9/06/2026 10:02 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 9/6/2026 8:43 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 9/06/2026 5:56 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 9/06/2026 4:18 pm, Xeno Lith wrote:
Odd that you have no pics. Nah, I'd expect it to be difficult to
take photos of your delusions. And you have a track record of lying.
Odd that you have no pics of anything that you claim to have done.>>
Including the pics he claims that prove my name doesn't appear on any
records.
You can go and verify that for yourself Darren. PROV is just down the
road and your name has never been present there. Nor is it present on
the trade registration database. Care to prove me wrong? Surely you
would just love to do that? It's only logical. And you aren't farfrom
PROV either.>
Watching Gene. I can't see more than one person actively engaged. I >>>>> notice Gene is the one operating the dyno. That is precisely what
I'd expect, the expert doing the work, the passion fingered nuff
nuffs standing to one side watching.
He's not operating the dyno, he's operating the throttle and
checking the revs with a synchroscope. have though that a mechanic
would have worked that out.
Operating the throttle is *working* the dyno. Remember, the engine
works under the load the dyno provides. The dyno measures how well it
does that.
"Operating the dyno" would involve setting particular operating
conditions as part of a test not just jiggling the throttle.
BTW your superiority complex is in full force, do you really think that
you are the only one here who knows what a dyno is and does?
As apprentices we got taken to various companies for works visits. One
such trip was to the Bristol Aircraft Company where we saw a dyno rather bigger than I suspect that you have come across. It was referred to as a test cell, and was running a 28 cylinder radial aero engine at the time.
We got a full explanation of how it was used and how it worked from the operators.
Apparently he's never been anywhere near an engine dyno facility, but
that doesn't stop him from being an expert about them though.
Had an engine dyno and a Chassis dyno at Richmond. The engine dyno was
in a separate test cell where the engine under test was operated in a
soundproof chamber from a secure console. Did testing for GMH engines
there.>
GMH testing it's engines at a trade school? Couldn't they afford a dyno
of their own?
On 09-Jun-26 8:43 PM, Noddy wrote:
Isn't it just pathetic? You can almost here is inferiority complex
eating away at him....
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-aAI makes it particularly easy for him to concoct a bullshit story, and make it sound feasible!.
-a-a-a Williams? ((IIRC sez he), always trying to leave an *OUT*.) Ron (who?) Bill Burns?, now *there`s* a handy name to come up with, tying elements of his *yarn* together so to speak!.. :)
-a-a Oh Magoo, you`ve done it again!.
On 10/6/2026 10:12 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 9/06/2026 10:02 pm, Xeno wrote:
On 9/6/2026 8:43 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 9/06/2026 5:56 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 9/06/2026 4:18 pm, Xeno Lith wrote:
Odd that you have no pics. Nah, I'd expect it to be difficult toOdd that you have no pics of anything that you claim to have done.>>
take photos of your delusions. And you have a track record of lying. >>>>>
Including the pics he claims that prove my name doesn't appear on
any records.
You can go and verify that for yourself Darren. PROV is just down the
road and your name has never been present there. Nor is it present on
the trade registration database. Care to prove me wrong? Surely you
would just love to do that? It's only logical. And you aren't farfrom
PROV either.>
Watching Gene. I can't see more than one person actively engaged. >>>>>> I notice Gene is the one operating the dyno. That is precisely
what I'd expect, the expert doing the work, the passion fingered
nuff nuffs standing to one side watching.
He's not operating the dyno, he's operating the throttle and
checking the revs with a synchroscope. have though that a mechanic
would have worked that out.
Operating the throttle is *working* the dyno. Remember, the engine
works under the load the dyno provides. The dyno measures how well it
does that.
"Operating the dyno" would involve setting particular operating
conditions as part of a test not just jiggling the throttle.
BTW your superiority complex is in full force, do you really think
that you are the only one here who knows what a dyno is and does?
As apprentices we got taken to various companies for works visits. One
such trip was to the Bristol Aircraft Company where we saw a dyno
rather bigger than I suspect that you have come across. It was
referred to as a test cell, and was running a 28 cylinder radial aero
engine at the time. We got a full explanation of how it was used and
how it worked from the operators.
Apparently he's never been anywhere near an engine dyno facility,
but that doesn't stop him from being an expert about them though.
Had an engine dyno and a Chassis dyno at Richmond. The engine dyno
was in a separate test cell where the engine under test was operated
in a soundproof chamber from a secure console. Did testing for GMH
engines there.>
GMH testing it's engines at a trade school? Couldn't they afford a
dyno of their own?
GMH had many dyno's at their engine plant in Fishermans Bend (my brother
in law used to operate some of the "dyn cells" at GMH), more than likely they donated several engines to the school so apprentices could learn on them, no way did GMH send engines to the school for "testing".
On 9/06/2026 8:52 pm, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
I was never *blaming* anyone for my hearing loss. I simply mentioned
that after years of exposure to loud engines my hearing has suffered
as a result. That is indeed no one's fault but mine, but who's fault
it was was never the point. Until I proved it to you
you didn't prove anything. just a photo and a video of you looking at
an engine. but it's interesting that some things you're almost
desperate to prove, but others, well, not so much
Like I said Felix, you can't be this stupid by accident. You commented yesterday that you doubted my exposure to loud engines. I showed you an example to the contrary. Just one. That's all I needed to do.
And now you're having a hissy :)
On 9/06/2026 10:02 pm, Xeno wrote:
He's not operating the dyno, he's operating the throttle and
checking the revs with a synchroscope. have though that a mechanic
would have worked that out.
Operating the throttle is *working* the dyno. Remember, the engine
works under the load the dyno provides. The dyno measures how well it
does that.
"Operating the dyno" would involve setting particular operating
conditions as part of a test not just jiggling the throttle.
BTW your superiority complex is in full force, do you really think that
you are the only one here who knows what a dyno is and does?
Had an engine dyno and a Chassis dyno at Richmond. The engine dyno was
in a separate test cell where the engine under test was operated in a
soundproof chamber from a secure console. Did testing for GMH engines
there.>
GMH testing it's engines at a trade school? Couldn't they afford a dyno
of their own?
On 10/6/2026 10:12 am, Keithr0 wrote:
GMH testing it's engines at a trade school? Couldn't they afford a
dyno of their own?
GMH had many dyno's at their engine plant in Fishermans Bend (my brother
in law used to operate some of the "dyn cells" at GMH), more than likely they donated several engines to the school so apprentices could learn on them, no way did GMH send engines to the school for "testing".
Noddy wrote:
On 9/06/2026 8:52 pm, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
I was never *blaming* anyone for my hearing loss. I simply
mentioned that after years of exposure to loud engines my hearing
has suffered as a result. That is indeed no one's fault but mine,
but who's fault it was was never the point. Until I proved it to you
you didn't prove anything. just a photo and a video of you looking
at an engine. but it's interesting that some things you're almost
desperate to prove, but others, well, not so much
Like I said Felix, you can't be this stupid by accident. You
commented yesterday that you doubted my exposure to loud engines. I
showed you an example to the contrary. Just one. That's all I needed
to do.
lol!
Here's a pix of me standing next to a Ferarri. This conclusively
proves my claim that I've owned over 20 of them.
You're a hoot Buffo.
And now you're having a hissy :)
Another fine example of your disassociation from reality.
On 10/06/2026 10:12 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 9/06/2026 10:02 pm, Xeno wrote:
He's not operating the dyno, he's operating the throttle and
checking the revs with a synchroscope. have though that a mechanic
would have worked that out.
Operating the throttle is *working* the dyno. Remember, the engine
works under the load the dyno provides. The dyno measures how well it
does that.
"Operating the dyno" would involve setting particular operating
conditions as part of a test not just jiggling the throttle.
Yep. In that video the engine is under no load, as the load is
controlled from within the control booth. All Gene was doing was
blipping the throttle to check to see where the total timing was at, and
if I remember correctly he did so because that was the first time the
engine had been run and he wanted to see how well I went at positioning
the distributor.
I was aiming for 30 degrees, and I got 29. That's why he walked out with
a smirk on his face :)
BTW your superiority complex is in full force, do you really think
that you are the only one here who knows what a dyno is and does?
I'll go you one better and suggest that he's never been within 50 feet
of an engine dyno :)
Had an engine dyno and a Chassis dyno at Richmond. The engine dyno
was in a separate test cell where the engine under test was operated
in a soundproof chamber from a secure console. Did testing for GMH
engines there.>
GMH testing it's engines at a trade school? Couldn't they afford a
dyno of their own?
It's ludicrous, isn't it? But his bullshit never ends.
Years ago he claimed that there was an engine dyno at the rear of the
spray painter's area at the Richmond Tech campus, and I pissed myself laughing because unlike him I actually went there. It was actually a
large diesel generator, but he claimed it was an engine dyno with a
large diesel engine to teach apprentices all about "torque curves".
The insanity of this story was twofold. In the first place if you were
going to bother building an engine dyno room why would you locate it so
you had to walk right through the spray painting area to get to it when
the mechanics training area was on the *opposite* side of the complex,
and secondly there would be absolutely *nothing* to learn by having a
large diesel engine on an engine dyno as they all have torque curves
flatter than a shit-carter's hat.
The more he waffles on with his bullshit stories the more he showsDarren, you're too stupid to know you're stupid. Luckily others with a
everyone how clueless he actually is, and the best bit about all of it
is that he's actually too stupid to realise he's doing it :)
On 10/06/2026 12:26 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 10/6/2026 10:12 am, Keithr0 wrote:
GMH testing it's engines at a trade school? Couldn't they afford a
dyno of their own?
GMH had many dyno's at their engine plant in Fishermans Bend (my
brother in law used to operate some of the "dyn cells" at GMH), more
than likely they donated several engines to the school so apprentices
could learn on them, no way did GMH send engines to the school for
"testing".
Not likely, and they most certainly would *not* be relying on test
results generated by grey dust coat wearing fucktards like this mental midget.
The idea is laughable.
On 9/06/2026 5:53 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 8/06/2026 6:15 pm, Noddy wrote:
-a-aIt's a long way
behind antilock brakes, traction control and stability control in my
books.
**You're entitled to your opinion. Antilock brakes? Never experienced
them. Yet.
Seriously? And you fancy yourself as an enthusiastic driver? :)
Good things though. Traction control? Possibly. I've driven the Suby
on gravel up a 21% slope and noted that there was zero loss of
traction, so, probably. Stability control? I believe a little light
comes on to indicate when it is in action. Never seen it.
Hopefully you don't. Stability control alone has probably saved more
lives than most of the other aids combined.
I have a mate who drove his Ford Fiesta as hard as he could down from
Kuranda to Cairns (he was late for a flight). He put the car into the
local Ford dealer, complaining that the stability control light never
came on. They checked the system and found it to be operational. It
seems that it is quite difficult to trigger.
It's not really. Go get your Suby out of shape and see just how well it works :)
I can only imagine that the Suby's level of grip is way higher than
the Fiesta. I doubt I have ever come close to the limits (in the dry)
of the Suby.
All depends on the quality of the tyres. The drive type makes zero difference.
I have witnessed the action of RCA though. Cheap, effective and life-
saving. Without doubt.
To some.
On 10/06/2026 10:12 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 9/06/2026 10:02 pm, Xeno wrote:
He's not operating the dyno, he's operating the throttle and
checking the revs with a synchroscope. have though that a mechanic
would have worked that out.
Operating the throttle is *working* the dyno. Remember, the engine
works under the load the dyno provides. The dyno measures how well it
does that.
"Operating the dyno" would involve setting particular operating
conditions as part of a test not just jiggling the throttle.
Yep. In that video the engine is under no load, as the load is
controlled from within the control booth. All Gene was doing was
blipping the throttle to check to see where the total timing was at, and
if I remember correctly he did so because that was the first time the
engine had been run and he wanted to see how well I went at positioning
the distributor.
I was aiming for 30 degrees, and I got 29. That's why he walked out with
a smirk on his face :)
On 9/06/2026 5:58 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 9/06/2026 5:53 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 8/06/2026 6:15 pm, Noddy wrote:
-a-aIt's a long way
behind antilock brakes, traction control and stability control in
my books.
**You're entitled to your opinion. Antilock brakes? Never
experienced them. Yet.
Seriously? And you fancy yourself as an enthusiastic driver? :)
**Was. Not so much now. Either way, I was trained as a young man by a professional driver from the Peter Wherrett Advanced Driving School. I
was trained NOT to stomp on the brakes under emergency conditions, as
such an action will, inevitably cause wheel lock-up, thus destroying
almost all control of the car.
Plus, stopping distance is reduced. As a consequence, I practiced A
LOT. To the point where I have never triggered the ABS in any car I've owned. That said, the first car I owned that was fitted with ABS was
the 2001 Nissan Stagea, which was purchased in 2016.
Good things though. Traction control? Possibly. I've driven the Suby
on gravel up a 21% slope and noted that there was zero loss of
traction, so, probably. Stability control? I believe a little light
comes on to indicate when it is in action. Never seen it.
Hopefully you don't. Stability control alone has probably saved more
lives than most of the other aids combined.
**Maybe, maybe not.
I have a mate who drove his Ford Fiesta as hard as he could down
from Kuranda to Cairns (he was late for a flight). He put the car
into the local Ford dealer, complaining that the stability control
light never came on. They checked the system and found it to be
operational. It seems that it is quite difficult to trigger.
It's not really. Go get your Suby out of shape and see just how well
it works :)
**I don't have the balls to get the Suby out of shape. The limits of adhesion are very high.
I can only imagine that the Suby's level of grip is way higher than
the Fiesta. I doubt I have ever come close to the limits (in the
dry) of the Suby.
All depends on the quality of the tyres. The drive type makes zero
difference.
**Lots of things make a difference, including tyres, suspension,
balance, etc. The Suby is a well balanced car.
I have witnessed the action of RCA though. Cheap, effective and
life- saving. Without doubt.
To some.
**Certainly to me.
On 9/06/2026 5:58 pm, Noddy wrote:
**You're entitled to your opinion. Antilock brakes? Never experienced
them. Yet.
Seriously? And you fancy yourself as an enthusiastic driver? :)
**Was. Not so much now. Either way, I was trained as a young man by a professional driver from the Peter Wherrett Advanced Driving School. I
was trained NOT to stomp on the brakes under emergency conditions, as
such an action will, inevitably cause wheel lock-up, thus destroying
almost all control of the car. Plus, stopping distance is reduced. As a consequence, I practiced A LOT. To the point where I have never
triggered the ABS in any car I've owned. That said, the first car I
owned that was fitted with ABS was the 2001 Nissan Stagea, which was purchased in 2016.
Good things though. Traction control? Possibly. I've driven the Suby
on gravel up a 21% slope and noted that there was zero loss of
traction, so, probably. Stability control? I believe a little light
comes on to indicate when it is in action. Never seen it.
Hopefully you don't. Stability control alone has probably saved more
lives than most of the other aids combined.
**Maybe, maybe not.
It's not really. Go get your Suby out of shape and see just how well
it works :)
**I don't have the balls to get the Suby out of shape. The limits of adhesion are very high.
All depends on the quality of the tyres. The drive type makes zero
difference.
**Lots of things make a difference, including tyres, suspension,
balance, etc. The Suby is a well balanced car.
On 10/06/2026 1:10 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 10/06/2026 10:12 am, Keithr0 wrote:
On 9/06/2026 10:02 pm, Xeno wrote:
He's not operating the dyno, he's operating the throttle and
checking the revs with a synchroscope. have though that a mechanic >>>>>> would have worked that out.
Operating the throttle is *working* the dyno. Remember, the engine
works under the load the dyno provides. The dyno measures how well
it does that.
"Operating the dyno" would involve setting particular operating
conditions as part of a test not just jiggling the throttle.
Yep. In that video the engine is under no load, as the load is
controlled from within the control booth. All Gene was doing was
blipping the throttle to check to see where the total timing was at,
and if I remember correctly he did so because that was the first time
the engine had been run and he wanted to see how well I went at
positioning the distributor.
I was aiming for 30 degrees, and I got 29. That's why he walked out
with a smirk on his face :)
Yearh, I was thinking that he was holding a synchroscope, but, thinking about it, it was much more likely to be a timing light.
Trevor Wilson wrote:Did your Magna not have ABS?
**Was. Not so much now. Either way, I was trained as a young man by a
professional driver from the Peter Wherrett Advanced Driving School. I
was trained NOT to stomp on the brakes under emergency conditions, as
such an action will, inevitably cause wheel lock-up, thus destroying
almost all control of the car.
yep. that's the way to do it, and I did. only recently have I had cars
with ABS
On 10/06/2026 2:41 pm, Axel wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
Did your Magna not have ABS?**Was. Not so much now. Either way, I was trained as a young man by a
professional driver from the Peter Wherrett Advanced Driving School.
I was trained NOT to stomp on the brakes under emergency conditions,
as such an action will, inevitably cause wheel lock-up, thus
destroying almost all control of the car.
yep. that's the way to do it, and I did. only recently have I had cars
with ABS
On 10/06/2026 2:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 9/06/2026 5:58 pm, Noddy wrote:
**You're entitled to your opinion. Antilock brakes? Never
experienced them. Yet.
Seriously? And you fancy yourself as an enthusiastic driver? :)
**Was. Not so much now. Either way, I was trained as a young man by a
professional driver from the Peter Wherrett Advanced Driving School. I
was trained NOT to stomp on the brakes under emergency conditions, as
such an action will, inevitably cause wheel lock-up, thus destroying
almost all control of the car. Plus, stopping distance is reduced. As
a consequence, I practiced A LOT. To the point where I have never
triggered the ABS in any car I've owned. That said, the first car I
owned that was fitted with ABS was the 2001 Nissan Stagea, which was
purchased in 2016.
You should do yourself a *serious* favour and find a quiet road
somewhere and do a few hard emergency stops in your Suby to activate the
ABS so you know exactly what it feels like. If you've never experienced
it before, it can be quite unnerving.
On 10/6/2026 5:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
You should do yourself a *serious* favour and find a quiet road
somewhere and do a few hard emergency stops in your Suby to activate
the ABS so you know exactly what it feels like. If you've never
experienced it before, it can be quite unnerving.
Agree, its also good to confirm that it actually works just in case its needed, first experience with ABS working was on my NC Fairlane and
since it was a very early Ford ABS it wasn't particularly good but it worked, second was my C240 Merc when it had crappy dealer fitted Chinese tyres, needed to brake a bit harder than normal in the wet and the ABS
went nuts.
On 10/06/2026 10:14 pm, Daryl wrote:Or, like me, they could continue to drive safely and with awareness of surroundings.
On 10/6/2026 5:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
You should do yourself a *serious* favour and find a quiet road
somewhere and do a few hard emergency stops in your Suby to activate
the ABS so you know exactly what it feels like. If you've never
experienced it before, it can be quite unnerving.
Agree, its also good to confirm that it actually works just in case
its needed, first experience with ABS working was on my NC Fairlane
and since it was a very early Ford ABS it wasn't particularly good but
it worked, second was my C240 Merc when it had crappy dealer fitted
Chinese tyres, needed to brake a bit harder than normal in the wet and
the ABS went nuts.
It's a strange sensation, and many cars do it differently. Some make a horrible screeching noise as the ABS module activates, and others have
the brake pedal drop a couple of inches under your foot which scares the crap out of you in making you think the brakes have failed. I had to activate the ABS in the Ranger a couple of weeks ago after some silly
mole sailed straight off the freeway offramp at the Avenue of Honour and
I just missed her by a couple of inches. As well as the noise from the
ABS module, there were lights and buzzers and all kinds of shit going
off inside the car.
I think everyone should purposely activate their ABS at least once so
they know what to expect when it goes off.
On 10/06/2026 10:14 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 10/6/2026 5:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
You should do yourself a *serious* favour and find a quiet road
somewhere and do a few hard emergency stops in your Suby to activate
the ABS so you know exactly what it feels like. If you've never
experienced it before, it can be quite unnerving.
Agree, its also good to confirm that it actually works just in case
its needed, first experience with ABS working was on my NC Fairlane
and since it was a very early Ford ABS it wasn't particularly good but
it worked, second was my C240 Merc when it had crappy dealer fitted
Chinese tyres, needed to brake a bit harder than normal in the wet and
the ABS went nuts.
It's a strange sensation, and many cars do it differently. Some make a horrible screeching noise as the ABS module activates, and others have
the brake pedal drop a couple of inches under your foot which scares the crap out of you in making you think the brakes have failed. I had to activate the ABS in the Ranger a couple of weeks ago after some silly
mole sailed straight off the freeway offramp at the Avenue of Honour and
I just missed her by a couple of inches
ABS module, there were lights and buzzers and all kinds of shit going
off inside the car.
I think everyone should purposely activate their ABS at least once so
they know what to expect when it goes off.
On 9/06/2026 8:52 pm, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
I was never *blaming* anyone for my hearing loss. I simply mentioned
that after years of exposure to loud engines my hearing has suffered
as a result. That is indeed no one's fault but mine, but who's fault
it was was never the point. Until I proved it to you
you didn't prove anything. just a photo and a video of you looking at
an engine. but it's interesting that some things you're almost
desperate to prove, but others, well, not so much
Like I said Felix, you can't be this stupid by accident. You commented yesterday that you doubted my exposure to loud engines. I showed you an example to the contrary. Just one. That's all I needed to do. And now
you're having a hissy :)
Noddy wrote:
On 8/06/2026 8:25 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 8/06/2026 6:07 pm, alvey wrote:
How about some pix of Fraudster up to his neck in a performance
engine? You know, like people have been doing since the dawn of
digital.
You take photos of everything that you do, you must be up to your
neck in boring photos
I think he's up to his neck in a lot of things. None of it seemingly
having much of a bearing on reality. But since I've had a great day
and am feeling fairly generous, he can suck on this:
https://ibb.co/GQqqfgLZ
That's a pic of me (foreground) and a gentleman I've known for many
years by the name of Gene Cook. Unfortunately Gene passed away a
couple of years ago after a long illness, but in his heyday he was a
very famous and successful speedway racer from Tasmania and after
retiring from racing moved to Victoria and ran an engine dyno shop in
Tullamarine. I used to use his Dyno all the time, and Gene & I went
back to my Repco days where we both knew some of the same people.
In fact, on a previous occasion here I recounted a story of a 350 Chev
that I did a Ford Cleveland head conversion on that with a Dominator
carb made around 500hp and eventually sold it to "a guy who ran it in
a speedway car". Gene was that guy.
In this pic, he and I are running 408 cubic inch custom Ford engine
that I'd built for a neighbour, and we're checking out an issue after
power suddenly dropped off after a couple of dyno pulls. As it turned
out the end of a pushrod had failed and embedded itself into a rocker
arm, and I'm pointing to the rocker while Gene is winding the engine
over.
A short video of the engine running:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nz6vI2OZ0c
Here we're setting the total timing after giving the engine a few runs
and warming up the oil. The dyno room is about 5x3 mtrs, and while
it's fairly quiet on the outside with the doors closed thanks to being
well insulated, it's as loud as fuck while you're in there with a
running engine even when the pipes are directed out through the
ducting. I've done stuff like this *many* times, and it's no surprise
that my hearing is down to 40% on one side and 55% on the other.
No doubt the people here who know me will verify that it is indeed me
in the blue shirt with the grey hair. The third guy is the engine's
owner who wanted to come along and see how it all worked.
And that's it?
The only thing they shows Buff is an old fat (and clean) bloke looking
at some old tech. But it *does* raise the old question; If you're
willing to stump up some proof, however feeble, for this fairly trite
issue, why then won't you do the same for your Big Claims? Like many a
DATE post, it makes no sense.
On 9/06/2026 3:37 pm, alvey wrote:
Noddy wrote:
On 8/06/2026 8:25 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 8/06/2026 6:07 pm, alvey wrote:
How about some pix of Fraudster up to his neck in a performance
engine? You know, like people have been doing since the dawn of
digital.
You take photos of everything that you do, you must be up to your
neck in boring photos
I think he's up to his neck in a lot of things. None of it seemingly
having much of a bearing on reality. But since I've had a great day
and am feeling fairly generous, he can suck on this:
https://ibb.co/GQqqfgLZ
That's a pic of me (foreground) and a gentleman I've known for many
years by the name of Gene Cook. Unfortunately Gene passed away a
couple of years ago after a long illness, but in his heyday he was a
very famous and successful speedway racer from Tasmania and after
retiring from racing moved to Victoria and ran an engine dyno shop in
Tullamarine. I used to use his Dyno all the time, and Gene & I went
back to my Repco days where we both knew some of the same people.
In fact, on a previous occasion here I recounted a story of a 350
Chev that I did a Ford Cleveland head conversion on that with a
Dominator carb made around 500hp and eventually sold it to "a guy who
ran it in a speedway car". Gene was that guy.
In this pic, he and I are running 408 cubic inch custom Ford engine
that I'd built for a neighbour, and we're checking out an issue after
power suddenly dropped off after a couple of dyno pulls. As it turned
out the end of a pushrod had failed and embedded itself into a rocker
arm, and I'm pointing to the rocker while Gene is winding the engine
over.
A short video of the engine running:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nz6vI2OZ0c
Here we're setting the total timing after giving the engine a few
runs and warming up the oil. The dyno room is about 5x3 mtrs, and
while it's fairly quiet on the outside with the doors closed thanks
to being well insulated, it's as loud as fuck while you're in there
with a running engine even when the pipes are directed out through
the ducting. I've done stuff like this *many* times, and it's no
surprise that my hearing is down to 40% on one side and 55% on the
other.
No doubt the people here who know me will verify that it is indeed me
in the blue shirt with the grey hair. The third guy is the engine's
owner who wanted to come along and see how it all worked.
And that's it?
The only thing they shows Buff is an old fat (and clean) bloke looking
at some old tech. But it *does* raise the old question; If you're
willing to stump up some proof, however feeble, for this fairly trite
issue, why then won't you do the same for your Big Claims? Like many a
DATE post, it makes no sense.
Well if that is the evidence of the leprechaun having built that engine
then I guess the video I have of my mate starting his dragster is proof
that I built the engine and have been part of his crew for decades...
right?
On 8/6/2026 11:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 7/06/2026 8:14 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 7/6/2026 7:19 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 7/06/2026 5:45 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 7/6/2026 2:57 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 6/06/2026 7:59 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 6/6/2026 2:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 2/06/2026 9:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
5000 vehicles arrived today.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/almost-5000-new-byds-and- >>>>>>>>> denzas- set-sail-to-australia-to-meet-demand
**10 week wait for BYD cars. 9 months to 4 years for Toyotas.
Which would you prefer?
Toyota if those were the only choices.
**As you know, I have an 8 year old Subaru. I partly chose it
because it is loaded with nice safety features. I find that those >>>>>> safety features are very well thought out and not too intrusive
and not too annoying. I recently drove a 2 year old Toyota with a >>>>>> similar set of safety features. I wanted to put a bomb under the
Toyota. Someone at Toyota needs to speak to the Subaru guys and
learn how to do it right.
Specifically what features are you talking about, newer cars have
things like lane keep assist, some do it well others do it very
poorly.
**Lane keeping in the Toyota was utterly horrible. The Suby does it
way better.
Best thing anyone can do with any of that crap is to turn it off, I
would judge either car based on how easy or difficult it was to do that. >>>>
Does your Subbie have lane keep assist, I thought that it would be
too old for that sort of thing?
**Nope. It has the works. The best thing it has is RCA.
What is RCA? Rear cross traffic alert?
**Yep.
Why do you need or want that?
**It is, arguably, the best safety feature, at very modest cost,
available on modern cars.
I reverse into parking spaces and my garage so it would be of no use
to me.
**Until it does become useful. For me, that happened some 4 weeks into
owning the Suby. I almost always reverse into parking spots, but,
because I was at the local garden centre and was planning to load
about half a Tonne of stuff in the back, I parked front in. When I was
preparing to leave, I put the car in reverse, checked all three
mirrors and the reversing camera screen. Nothing to worry about. As I
began reversing, all Hell broke loose. Well, the car began issuing an
urgent noise. I ceased reversing. A second or two later, two kids (I'm
guessing 3 ~ 4 years old) ran across the path of the car. Had I
continued reversing, the day would possibly have ended badly for all
concerned.
So, RCA is a waste of time. Until it isn't. I'd estimate that the cost
to the manufacturer of RCA to be in the <$100.00 range. It's utterly
brilliant. I'm also quite happy with the other stuff, like adaptive
cruise control, autonomous braking, etc. The Suby allegedly recognises
cars, trucks, bicycles and humans.
I like adaptive CC, ABS, reverse cameras and even parking senors (which
on the Merc would have picked up the children who ran behind your car)
but to me the rest is of little value.
BTW the Merc parking sensors are very sensitive so in a way its a form a RCA,
which when activated go from amber to red depending on how close the car
is to something.
On 8/06/2026 9:48 pm, Daryl wrote:
I like adaptive CC, ABS, reverse cameras and even parking senors
(which on the Merc would have picked up the children who ran behind
your car) but to me the rest is of little value.
**I've driven a old C320k fitted with the sonic sensors you speak of.
Whilst they were better than what was fitted to many cars back then (ca. 2005-ish), the radar systems in modern RCA systems are vastly more sophisticated. They can, for instance, differentiate between stationary
and moving objects (people, cars, etc). The old sonic systems cannot
manage this. It is patently stupid to comment, unless you have
experienced a modern RCA system in the way that I have.
On 9/06/2026 7:13 pm, Noddy wrote:
Like I said Felix, you can't be this stupid by accident. You commented
yesterday that you doubted my exposure to loud engines. I showed you
an example to the contrary. Just one. That's all I needed to do. And
now you're having a hissy :)
Uhuh... so when you doubted my claim that I worked on new Jeeps
Well if that is the evidence of the leprechaun having built that engine
On 12/06/2026 4:09 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 8/06/2026 9:48 pm, Daryl wrote:
I like adaptive CC, ABS, reverse cameras and even parking senors
(which on the Merc would have picked up the children who ran behind
your car) but to me the rest is of little value.
**I've driven a old C320k fitted with the sonic sensors you speak of.
Whilst they were better than what was fitted to many cars back then
(ca. 2005-ish), the radar systems in modern RCA systems are vastly
more sophisticated. They can, for instance, differentiate between
stationary and moving objects (people, cars, etc). The old sonic
systems cannot manage this. It is patently stupid to comment, unless
you have experienced a modern RCA system in the way that I have.
Your experience is probably somewhat limited, as while modern radar
systems can be good, then can be pretty average as well and there is a
vast operational difference between most of them.
On 12/06/2026 12:11 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 9/06/2026 7:13 pm, Noddy wrote:
Like I said Felix, you can't be this stupid by accident. You
commented yesterday that you doubted my exposure to loud engines. I
showed you an example to the contrary. Just one. That's all I needed
to do. And now you're having a hissy :)
Uhuh... so when you doubted my claim that I worked on new Jeeps
More bullshit from you. You never claimed that you worked on "new
jeeps". You claimed you worked on *a* jeep.
However you didn't ever get around to knowing how it was "mostly metric :)
On 12/06/2026 12:30 pm, Clocky wrote:
Well if that is the evidence of the leprechaun having built that engine
As usual you have the comprehension skills of a dead cat. It is proof of nothing other than exposure to loud engines. That is obvious to anyone
with the IQ of a potato.
You apparently haven't graduated to that level.
On 12/06/2026 4:09 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:**That may be so, but I doubt it. Subaru do not make the radar systems.
On 8/06/2026 9:48 pm, Daryl wrote:
I like adaptive CC, ABS, reverse cameras and even parking senors
(which on the Merc would have picked up the children who ran behind
your car) but to me the rest is of little value.
**I've driven a old C320k fitted with the sonic sensors you speak of.
Whilst they were better than what was fitted to many cars back then
(ca. 2005-ish), the radar systems in modern RCA systems are vastly
more sophisticated. They can, for instance, differentiate between
stationary and moving objects (people, cars, etc). The old sonic
systems cannot manage this. It is patently stupid to comment, unless
you have experienced a modern RCA system in the way that I have.
Your experience is probably somewhat limited, as while modern radar
systems can be good, then can be pretty average as well and there is a
vast operational difference between most of them.
On 12/06/2026 12:11 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 9/06/2026 7:13 pm, Noddy wrote:
Like I said Felix, you can't be this stupid by accident. You
commented yesterday that you doubted my exposure to loud engines. I
showed you an example to the contrary. Just one. That's all I needed
to do. And now you're having a hissy :)
Uhuh... so when you doubted my claim that I worked on new Jeeps
More bullshit from you. You never claimed that you worked on "new
jeeps". You claimed you worked on *a* jeep. However you didn't ever get around to knowing how it was "mostly metric :)
On 12/06/2026 12:30 pm, Clocky wrote:
Well if that is the evidence of the leprechaun having built that engine
As usual you have the comprehension skills of a dead cat. It is proof of nothing other than exposure to loud engines. That is obvious to anyone
with the IQ of a potato.
On 12/06/2026 5:44 pm, Noddy wrote:
Your experience is probably somewhat limited, as while modern radar
systems can be good, then can be pretty average as well and there is a
vast operational difference between most of them.
**That may be so, but I doubt it.
Subaru do not make the radar systems.
They are made by a third party supplier, who probably supplies every
other Japanese car manufacturer.
The Subaru system is excellent. Comparing the Subaru radar RCA to a
sonic parking system is just ridiculous.
On 12/06/2026 4:09 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 8/06/2026 9:48 pm, Daryl wrote:
I like adaptive CC, ABS, reverse cameras and even parking senors
(which on the Merc would have picked up the children who ran behind
your car) but to me the rest is of little value.
**I've driven a old C320k fitted with the sonic sensors you speak of.
Whilst they were better than what was fitted to many cars back then
(ca. 2005-ish), the radar systems in modern RCA systems are vastly
more sophisticated. They can, for instance, differentiate between
stationary and moving objects (people, cars, etc). The old sonic
systems cannot manage this. It is patently stupid to comment, unless
you have experienced a modern RCA system in the way that I have.
Your experience is probably somewhat limited, as while modern radar
systems can be good, then can be pretty average as well and there is a
vast operational difference between most of them.
On 12/06/2026 5:44 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 12/06/2026 4:09 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:**That may be so, but I doubt it. Subaru do not make the radar systems.
On 8/06/2026 9:48 pm, Daryl wrote:
I like adaptive CC, ABS, reverse cameras and even parking senors
(which on the Merc would have picked up the children who ran behind
your car) but to me the rest is of little value.
**I've driven a old C320k fitted with the sonic sensors you speak of.
Whilst they were better than what was fitted to many cars back then
(ca. 2005-ish), the radar systems in modern RCA systems are vastly
more sophisticated. They can, for instance, differentiate between
stationary and moving objects (people, cars, etc). The old sonic
systems cannot manage this. It is patently stupid to comment, unless
you have experienced a modern RCA system in the way that I have.
Your experience is probably somewhat limited, as while modern radar
systems can be good, then can be pretty average as well and there is a
vast operational difference between most of them.
They are made by a third party supplier, who probably supplies every
other Japanese car manufacturer. The thing is this:
The Subaru system is excellent. Comparing the Subaru radar RCA to a
sonic parking system is just ridiculous.
On 12/06/2026 6:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/06/2026 5:44 pm, Noddy wrote:
Your experience is probably somewhat limited, as while modern radar
systems can be good, then can be pretty average as well and there is
a vast operational difference between most of them.
**That may be so, but I doubt it.
Doubt it all you like, but that's the reality. These systems are no different to the many other systems found on modern cars. The
implementation of some is excellent, while in others it's less than
stellar.
On 12/6/2026 6:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 12/06/2026 6:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/06/2026 5:44 pm, Noddy wrote:
Your experience is probably somewhat limited, as while modern radar
systems can be good, then can be pretty average as well and there is
a vast operational difference between most of them.
**That may be so, but I doubt it.
Doubt it all you like, but that's the reality. These systems are no
different to the many other systems found on modern cars. The
implementation of some is excellent, while in others it's less than
stellar.
If you want to confirm that test drive a Chery Tiggo 7 Super hybrid, the implementation of its "driver aides" is the worst I've experienced, felt like the car was trying to kill us, we found out later that it is
possible to turn it all off but it wasn't a simple process.
BYD do "driver aides" much better than Chery but I still wanted to turn
them off, on the other hand the Hyundai Kona's system were good enough
that I just left them all on.
3 different brands with the same systems but with very different implementations and very different driving experiences.
On 12/06/2026 8:10 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 12/6/2026 6:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 12/06/2026 6:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/06/2026 5:44 pm, Noddy wrote:
Your experience is probably somewhat limited, as while modern radar >>>>> systems can be good, then can be pretty average as well and there
is a vast operational difference between most of them.
**That may be so, but I doubt it.
Doubt it all you like, but that's the reality. These systems are no
different to the many other systems found on modern cars. The
implementation of some is excellent, while in others it's less than
stellar.
If you want to confirm that test drive a Chery Tiggo 7 Super hybrid,
the implementation of its "driver aides" is the worst I've
experienced, felt like the car was trying to kill us, we found out
later that it is possible to turn it all off but it wasn't a simple
process.
BYD do "driver aides" much better than Chery but I still wanted to
turn them off, on the other hand the Hyundai Kona's system were good
enough that I just left them all on.
3 different brands with the same systems but with very different
implementations and very different driving experiences.
It's staggering how different they can be. Just in my own garage I have
a 2023 Ranger Wildtrak and a 2024 Kia Sorento GT Line which are both equipped with a comprehensive array of aids, and they couldn't be any
more different in their operation if you deliberately set out to make
them so.
On 12/06/2026 8:10 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 12/6/2026 6:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 12/06/2026 6:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/06/2026 5:44 pm, Noddy wrote:
Your experience is probably somewhat limited, as while modern radar >>>>> systems can be good, then can be pretty average as well and there
is a vast operational difference between most of them.
**That may be so, but I doubt it.
Doubt it all you like, but that's the reality. These systems are no
different to the many other systems found on modern cars. The
implementation of some is excellent, while in others it's less than
stellar.
If you want to confirm that test drive a Chery Tiggo 7 Super hybrid,
the implementation of its "driver aides" is the worst I've
experienced, felt like the car was trying to kill us, we found out
later that it is possible to turn it all off but it wasn't a simple
process.
BYD do "driver aides" much better than Chery but I still wanted to
turn them off, on the other hand the Hyundai Kona's system were good
enough that I just left them all on.
3 different brands with the same systems but with very different
implementations and very different driving experiences.
It's staggering how different they can be. Just in my own garage I have
a 2023 Ranger Wildtrak and a 2024 Kia Sorento GT Line which are both equipped with a comprehensive array of aids, and they couldn't be any
more different in their operation if you deliberately set out to make
them so.
On 12/6/2026 8:36 pm, Noddy wrote:
It's staggering how different they can be. Just in my own garage I
have a 2023 Ranger Wildtrak and a 2024 Kia Sorento GT Line which are
both equipped with a comprehensive array of aids, and they couldn't be
any more different in their operation if you deliberately set out to
make them so.
So much for those "driver aides" helping with safety when a driver needs time to get used to each cars idiosyncrasies.
On 12/6/2026 6:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/06/2026 5:44 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 12/06/2026 4:09 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:**That may be so, but I doubt it. Subaru do not make the radar
On 8/06/2026 9:48 pm, Daryl wrote:Your experience is probably somewhat limited, as while modern radar
I like adaptive CC, ABS, reverse cameras and even parking senors
(which on the Merc would have picked up the children who ran behind >>>>> your car) but to me the rest is of little value.
**I've driven a old C320k fitted with the sonic sensors you speak
of. Whilst they were better than what was fitted to many cars back
then (ca. 2005-ish), the radar systems in modern RCA systems are
vastly more sophisticated. They can, for instance, differentiate
between stationary and moving objects (people, cars, etc). The old
sonic systems cannot manage this. It is patently stupid to comment,
unless you have experienced a modern RCA system in the way that I have. >>>
systems can be good, then can be pretty average as well and there is
a vast operational difference between most of them.
systems. They are made by a third party supplier, who probably
supplies every other Japanese car manufacturer. The thing is this:
The Subaru system is excellent. Comparing the Subaru radar RCA to a
sonic parking system is just ridiculous.
I didn't compare the 2 systems,
good enough and all anyone needs,
a radar system isn't justified.
What may be justified is actually teaching people how to drive instead leading them to rely solely on some electronic system.
You stated that you have never activated your ABS because you know how
to brake without locking the wheels,
parking space,
99% of cases I reverse into parking spaces,
excellent sensors and thirdly because I am very careful.**Your sensors are not anywhere near good enough to replace a proper
On 12/06/2026 6:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/06/2026 5:44 pm, Noddy wrote:
Your experience is probably somewhat limited, as while modern radar
systems can be good, then can be pretty average as well and there is
a vast operational difference between most of them.
**That may be so, but I doubt it.
Doubt it all you like, but that's the reality. These systems are no different to the many other systems found on modern cars. The
implementation of some is excellent, while in others it's less than
stellar.
Subaru do not make the radar systems. They are made by a third party
supplier, who probably supplies every other Japanese car manufacturer.
Subaru may not make the components, but like every other manufacturer
out there they have to incorporate it into their own hardware.
The thing is this:**You sort of are, since you inserted yourself into the discussion that
The Subaru system is excellent. Comparing the Subaru radar RCA to a
sonic parking system is just ridiculous.
It may be, but I'm not making that argument.
On 12/06/2026 7:59 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 12/6/2026 6:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/06/2026 5:44 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 12/06/2026 4:09 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:**That may be so, but I doubt it. Subaru do not make the radar
On 8/06/2026 9:48 pm, Daryl wrote:
I like adaptive CC, ABS, reverse cameras and even parking senors
(which on the Merc would have picked up the children who ran
behind your car) but to me the rest is of little value.
**I've driven a old C320k fitted with the sonic sensors you speak
of. Whilst they were better than what was fitted to many cars back
then (ca. 2005-ish), the radar systems in modern RCA systems are
vastly more sophisticated. They can, for instance, differentiate
between stationary and moving objects (people, cars, etc). The old
sonic systems cannot manage this. It is patently stupid to
comment, unless you have experienced a modern RCA system in the
way that I have.
Your experience is probably somewhat limited, as while modern radar
systems can be good, then can be pretty average as well and there
is a vast operational difference between most of them.
systems. They are made by a third party supplier, who probably
supplies every other Japanese car manufacturer. The thing is this:
The Subaru system is excellent. Comparing the Subaru radar RCA to a
sonic parking system is just ridiculous.
I didn't compare the 2 systems,
**Yes, you did. And I will explain to you once more that the radar
used in RCA systems is VASTLY more sophisticated than the ultrasonic
sensors used in your old Merc. The radar units have better range, an
ability to determine if an object is stationary or moving and are
designed to operate at right angles to the vehicle. Comparing the two systems is daft.
-awhat I did was say that the MB system is good enough and all anyone
needs,
**Utter and complete bollocks. The ultrasonic system works fine for
parking and for stationary objects. It does not work so well for
small, moving objects. Like children.
-athe added expensive and complexity of a radar system isn't justified.
**What "added expensive and complexity" are you talking about? Do you
know the comparative costs of the two systems? Are you aware that many vehicles employ both ultrasonic and radar systems, since they are
designed to do different jobs?
In fact, here is an example of one manufacturer that employs both
systems (BECAUSE THEY DO DIFFERENT JOBS):
https://www.mercedes-benz.com.au/passengercars/services/how-to-videos.html/active-parking-assist-with-parktronic-e-class-214-sedans?srsltid=AfmBOoocl9DWU2qMUzHQjM6beqUWtZNNUvK7BtV9ceOiEHS_DNQOjXbH
https://www.mercedes-benz.com.au/passengercars/services/manuals.html/v-class-mpv-2026-05-v447-mbux/manoeuvring-assistant/function-of-rear-cross-traffic-alert?srsltid=AfmBOoqzxm9v8LTLYkfEyfjZMHdeN7nJgBJJezFbYHlOFJoW98ZNLgip
Ultrasonic for parking and radar for RCA.
What may be justified is actually teaching people how to drive
instead leading them to rely solely on some electronic system.
**Parking sensors and RCA are and always have been there to ASSIST
drivers.
You stated that you have never activated your ABS because you know
how to brake without locking the wheels,
**It is more of an instinctive reaction for me. I trained myself many
years ago and have now developed a habit.
I do recognise the value of ABS and am very happy to have it in my
car. I may need it one day.
-asame with reversing out of a parking space,
**Yep. One day you may need RCA. And trust me: When you experience
it's benefits, you will, like me, appreciate it greatly.
-aI know how to look for cross traffic,
**As do I. And, like me, there are instances when seeing sideways out
the back of your car is impossible.
-afirstly because in 99% of cases I reverse into parking spaces,
**99%? That's oddly specific. However, like you, I try to reverse into
spots whenever possible. SOMETIMES, it is not possible, nor desirable
to do so. I live on a shared driveway. For several reasons, I always
park my car front in. Although the RCA has never been triggered when reversing from my garage, it is available for the time/s when it is
needed. And, as I explained, when I parked front in at my local garden centre, I did so because I needed to load a half Tonne of shit
(literally) into the back of the car. The RCA system potentially saved
the lives of two, unrestrained, children. Now, I could argue that the parents were stupid to allow unrestrained children loose in a car
park, but that would have been cold comfort had the worst occurred. It
did not, because, like Mercedes Benz does, my car uses a very similar
RCA system to alert the driver to unrestrained children, dogs, cars
and bicycles. You may not like the system (that you have NEVER
experienced, but it will certainly be fitted to your next car. Like it
or not.
-asecondly because I have excellent sensors and thirdly because I am**Your sensors are not anywhere near good enough to replace a proper
very careful.
radar RCA. Like the ones that have been fitted to Mercs and Subarus
for many years. We're all careful, but we can all make mistakes.
On 12/06/2026 6:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 12/06/2026 6:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/06/2026 5:44 pm, Noddy wrote:
Your experience is probably somewhat limited, as while modern radar
systems can be good, then can be pretty average as well and there is
a vast operational difference between most of them.
**That may be so, but I doubt it.
Doubt it all you like, but that's the reality. These systems are no
different to the many other systems found on modern cars. The
implementation of some is excellent, while in others it's less than
stellar.
**Interesting. Which RCA (Rear Crossing Alert) system do you feel is
sub-par and which is brilliant?
**You sort of are, since you inserted yourself into the discussion that Dazza and I are in the middle of.The Subaru system is excellent. Comparing the Subaru radar RCA to a
sonic parking system is just ridiculous.
It may be, but I'm not making that argument.
So, you now disagree with Dazza's opinion that his ultrasonic parking sensors are as good as a proper, radar RCA system?
Yes or no?
On 13/06/2026 11:20 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/06/2026 6:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 12/06/2026 6:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/06/2026 5:44 pm, Noddy wrote:
Your experience is probably somewhat limited, as while modern
radar systems can be good, then can be pretty average as well and
there is a vast operational difference between most of them.
**That may be so, but I doubt it.
Doubt it all you like, but that's the reality. These systems are no
different to the many other systems found on modern cars. The
implementation of some is excellent, while in others it's less than
stellar.
**Interesting. Which RCA (Rear Crossing Alert) system do you feel is
sub-par and which is brilliant?
Just from my own vehicles I can give you perfect examples of how the
warning systems in new cars can be both good *and* bad, and both in
the same vehicle.
Both my Ranger and Sorento have cross traffic and rear collision alert systems, and the Ranger's cross traffic system is excellent. It can
see moving traffic before you even know it's there, and to the point
where you sometimes question it's warnings as it sees cars so far out.
It is an *excellent* system that works exceptionally well, and
combined with an excellent camera system it makes backing out of
places an easy task.
It's rear collision alert system however, is less brilliant. It gets confused by it's own shadow or oil patches in parking bays, and it
slams the brakes on despite there being nothing but air behind you.
It's fucking annoying, and while you can turn it off for the duration
of your trip, it defaults back to "on" the next time you start the
car. I'd prefer it to be off permanently.
The Sorento on the other hand is very different. It's cross traffic
alert system works, but you usually see the traffic before it does and
it's *very* late in the play. Once it sees the traffic it will warn
you to it and if you don't stop it will stop for you, but you can
generally see approaching traffic in the rear camera long before the
radar system warns you of it.
By comparison, The rear collision alert system is thoroughly hopeless.
It doesn't see shit and will allow you to back into stuff and do extraordinary amounts of damage from the most minor of touches without
so much as a whimper from the radar system which is exactly what
happened to my wife last year.
She was called into the office for an unscheduled meeting, and because
she wasn't expecting to be in the city that day she hadn't booked her
spot in her usual car park and had to use one she was unfamiliar with.
She ended up driving onto a floor she wasn't supposed to be on, and
when she did a U-turn to get to another floor she backed into a pylon
at walking pace and did almost 9 thousand bucks damage.
The rear collision alert system never said boo.
**You sort of are, since you inserted yourself into the discussionThe Subaru system is excellent. Comparing the Subaru radar RCA to a
sonic parking system is just ridiculous.
It may be, but I'm not making that argument.
that Dazza and I are in the middle of.
So, you now disagree with Dazza's opinion that his ultrasonic parking
sensors are as good as a proper, radar RCA system?
Yes or no?
I don't have an opinion on that one way or the other and I never did,
and to be totally honest with you I think you're making that shit up
as that is most definitely *not* what I got from Daryl's comments.
What he said was that he thought it was okay. Not that he thought it
was better.
You might want to re-read what he *actually* said. Not what you
*think* he did.
On 13/06/2026 11:20 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/06/2026 6:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 12/06/2026 6:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/06/2026 5:44 pm, Noddy wrote:
Your experience is probably somewhat limited, as while modern radar >>>>> systems can be good, then can be pretty average as well and there
is a vast operational difference between most of them.
**That may be so, but I doubt it.
Doubt it all you like, but that's the reality. These systems are no
different to the many other systems found on modern cars. The
implementation of some is excellent, while in others it's less than
stellar.
**Interesting. Which RCA (Rear Crossing Alert) system do you feel is
sub-par and which is brilliant?
Just from my own vehicles I can give you perfect examples of how the
warning systems in new cars can be both good *and* bad, and both in the
same vehicle.
Both my Ranger and Sorento...
On 13/06/2026 11:20 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/06/2026 6:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 12/06/2026 6:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/06/2026 5:44 pm, Noddy wrote:
Your experience is probably somewhat limited, as while modern radar >>>>> systems can be good, then can be pretty average as well and there
is a vast operational difference between most of them.
**That may be so, but I doubt it.
Doubt it all you like, but that's the reality. These systems are no
different to the many other systems found on modern cars. The
implementation of some is excellent, while in others it's less than
stellar.
**Interesting. Which RCA (Rear Crossing Alert) system do you feel is
sub-par and which is brilliant?
Just from my own vehicles I can give you perfect examples of how the
warning systems in new cars can be both good *and* bad, and both in the
same vehicle.
Both my Ranger and Sorento have cross traffic and rear collision alert systems, and the Ranger's cross traffic system is excellent. It can see moving traffic before you even know it's there, and to the point where
you sometimes question it's warnings as it sees cars so far out. It is
an *excellent* system that works exceptionally well, and combined with
an excellent camera system it makes backing out of places an easy task.
It's rear collision alert system however, is less brilliant. It gets confused by it's own shadow or oil patches in parking bays, and it slams
the brakes on despite there being nothing but air behind you. It's
fucking annoying, and while you can turn it off for the duration of your trip, it defaults back to "on" the next time you start the car. I'd
prefer it to be off permanently.
The Sorento on the other hand is very different. It's cross traffic
alert system works, but you usually see the traffic before it does and
it's *very* late in the play. Once it sees the traffic it will warn you
to it and if you don't stop it will stop for you, but you can generally
see approaching traffic in the rear camera long before the radar system warns you of it.
By comparison, The rear collision alert system is thoroughly hopeless.
It doesn't see shit and will allow you to back into stuff and do extraordinary amounts of damage from the most minor of touches without
so much as a whimper from the radar system which is exactly what
happened to my wife last year.
She was called into the office for an unscheduled meeting, and because
she wasn't expecting to be in the city that day she hadn't booked her
spot in her usual car park and had to use one she was unfamiliar with.
She ended up driving onto a floor she wasn't supposed to be on, and when
she did a U-turn to get to another floor she backed into a pylon at
walking pace and did almost 9 thousand bucks damage.
The rear collision alert system never said boo.
**You sort of are, since you inserted yourself into the discussionThe Subaru system is excellent. Comparing the Subaru radar RCA to a
sonic parking system is just ridiculous.
It may be, but I'm not making that argument.
that Dazza and I are in the middle of.
So, you now disagree with Dazza's opinion that his ultrasonic parking
sensors are as good as a proper, radar RCA system?
Yes or no?
I don't have an opinion on that one way or the other and I never did,
and to be totally honest with you I think you're making that shit up as
that is most definitely *not* what I got from Daryl's comments. What he
said was that he thought it was okay. Not that he thought it was better.
You might want to re-read what he *actually* said. Not what you *think*
he did.
Noddy wrote:
She was called into the office for an unscheduled meeting, and because
she wasn't expecting to be in the city that day she hadn't booked her
spot in her usual car park and had to use one she was unfamiliar with.
She ended up driving onto a floor she wasn't supposed to be on, and
when she did a U-turn to get to another floor she backed into a pylon
at walking pace and did almost 9 thousand bucks damage.
The rear collision alert system never said boo.
so you want us to believe that such a modern car has such a completely useless rear alert system? Okaaay... my ZS is miles better in that
regard then! one less reason for you to rubbish it. :)
On 13/6/2026 12:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
I don't have an opinion on that one way or the other and I never did,Seems to be damn near useless if it still allows the driver to back into something.
and to be totally honest with you I think you're making that shit up
as that is most definitely *not* what I got from Daryl's comments.
What he said was that he thought it was okay. Not that he thought it
was better.
You might want to re-read what he *actually* said. Not what you
*think* he did.
The Merc system will allow a driver to reverse into something if they
ignore the beeping a flashing lights and for Trev it does detect a
person moving near the car.
On 13/06/2026 1:06 pm, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
She was called into the office for an unscheduled meeting, and
because she wasn't expecting to be in the city that day she hadn't
booked her spot in her usual car park and had to use one she was
unfamiliar with. She ended up driving onto a floor she wasn't
supposed to be on, and when she did a U-turn to get to another floor
she backed into a pylon at walking pace and did almost 9 thousand
bucks damage.
The rear collision alert system never said boo.
so you want us to believe that such a modern car has such a
completely useless rear alert system? Okaaay... my ZS is miles better
in that regard then! one less reason for you to rubbish it. :)
I couldn't care less *what* you believe Felix, but that's what
happened. The problem, which you are completely oblivious to, is that
as good as some systems can be they are not 100% good 100% of the time.
Had the wife looked at the camera instead of focusing on the right
hand mirror and expecting the system to warn her if she got close to anything she would have avoided the pylon completely, but on that
occasion the system didn't do it's job.
Your ZS would be no different.
On 13/06/2026 1:06 pm, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
She was called into the office for an unscheduled meeting, and
because she wasn't expecting to be in the city that day she hadn't
booked her spot in her usual car park and had to use one she was
unfamiliar with. She ended up driving onto a floor she wasn't
supposed to be on, and when she did a U-turn to get to another floor
she backed into a pylon at walking pace and did almost 9 thousand
bucks damage.
The rear collision alert system never said boo.
so you want us to believe that such a modern car has such a completely
useless rear alert system? Okaaay... my ZS is miles better in that
regard then! one less reason for you to rubbish it. :)
I couldn't care less *what* you believe Felix, but that's what happened.
The problem, which you are completely oblivious to, is that as good as
some systems can be they are not 100% good 100% of the time.
Had the wife looked at the camera instead of focusing on the right hand mirror...
so according to you rear traffic can be seen in the camera long before
the radar even knows about it, and the rear collision system is so
useless it lets the driver back into stuff. exaggerating much?
if not it seems my ZS would shit all over your expensive Sorrento. :)
On 13/06/2026 7:01 pm, Axel wrote:
so according to you rear traffic can be seen in the camera long before
the radar even knows about it, and the rear collision system is so
useless it lets the driver back into stuff. exaggerating much?
How the fuck would you know, Felix? Ever driven one?
On 13/06/2026 7:01 pm, Axel wrote:
so according to you rear traffic can be seen in the camera long
before the radar even knows about it, and the rear collision system
is so useless it lets the driver back into stuff. exaggerating much?
How the fuck would you know, Felix? Ever driven one?
if not it seems my ZS would shit all over your expensive Sorrento. :)
About the only thing your ZS would do better is be cheaper.
Noddy wrote:
About the only thing your ZS would do better is be cheaper.
it's warning system is better it seems
On 13/06/2026 8:49 pm, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
About the only thing your ZS would do better is be cheaper.
it's warning system is better it seems
You backed into something not long ago and smashed a tail light,
didn't you?
Apparently it ain't much better :)
Noddy wrote:
On 13/06/2026 8:49 pm, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
About the only thing your ZS would do better is be cheaper.
it's warning system is better it seems
You backed into something not long ago and smashed a tail light,
didn't you?
yes dammit! a concrete letter box. I was doing a u-turn and not paying attention
On 13/06/2026 3:04 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 13/6/2026 12:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
I don't have an opinion on that one way or the other and I never did,Seems to be damn near useless if it still allows the driver to back
and to be totally honest with you I think you're making that shit up
as that is most definitely *not* what I got from Daryl's comments.
What he said was that he thought it was okay. Not that he thought it
was better.
You might want to re-read what he *actually* said. Not what you
*think* he did.
into something.
It'll see big things, and it'll see smaller things if they're directly behind. But this was off centre, and it missed it completely.
The Merc system will allow a driver to reverse into something if they
ignore the beeping a flashing lights and for Trev it does detect a
person moving near the car.
Most of them do. The main difference is that they usually have a shorter range, and there is no antonymous braking.
On 13/06/2026 7:01 pm, Axel wrote:
so according to you rear traffic can be seen in the camera long before
the radar even knows about it, and the rear collision system is so
useless it lets the driver back into stuff. exaggerating much?
How the fuck would you know, Felix? Ever driven one?
if not it seems my ZS would shit all over your expensive Sorrento. :)
About the only thing your ZS would do better is be cheaper.
WTF is antonymous braking?
On 13/06/2026 10:19 pm, Xeno wrote:
WTF is antonymous braking?
"I never correct people's typos." Xena
On 14/06/2026 8:41 am, lindsay wrote:
On 13/06/2026 10:19 pm, Xeno wrote:
WTF is antonymous braking?
"I never correct people's typos." Xena
That was the spell checker :)
On 13/06/2026 3:04 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 13/6/2026 12:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
I don't have an opinion on that one way or the other and I never did,Seems to be damn near useless if it still allows the driver to back
and to be totally honest with you I think you're making that shit up
as that is most definitely *not* what I got from Daryl's comments.
What he said was that he thought it was okay. Not that he thought it
was better.
You might want to re-read what he *actually* said. Not what you
*think* he did.
into something.
It'll see big things, and it'll see smaller things if they're directly behind. But this was off centre, and it missed it completely.
The Merc system will allow a driver to reverse into something if they
ignore the beeping a flashing lights and for Trev it does detect a
person moving near the car.
Most of them do. The main difference is that they usually have a shorter range, and there is no antonymous braking.
On 13/06/2026 9:15 pm, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
On 13/06/2026 8:49 pm, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
About the only thing your ZS would do better is be cheaper.
it's warning system is better it seems
You backed into something not long ago and smashed a tail light,
didn't you?
yes dammit! a concrete letter box. I was doing a u-turn and not paying
attention
So you're bragging about your car being better because...... :)
On 13/6/2026 10:02 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 13/06/2026 9:15 pm, Axel wrote:So much for CTA and autonomous braking, 2 different cars, 2 different drivers and 2 failures, best to just use the mirrors and the brake pedal:-)
Noddy wrote:
On 13/06/2026 8:49 pm, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
About the only thing your ZS would do better is be cheaper.
it's warning system is better it seems
You backed into something not long ago and smashed a tail light,
didn't you?
yes dammit! a concrete letter box. I was doing a u-turn and not
paying attention
So you're bragging about your car being better because...... :)
On 13/6/2026 10:02 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 13/06/2026 9:15 pm, Axel wrote:So much for CTA and autonomous braking, 2 different cars, 2 different drivers and 2 failures, best to just use the mirrors and the brake pedal:-)
Noddy wrote:
On 13/06/2026 8:49 pm, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
About the only thing your ZS would do better is be cheaper.
it's warning system is better it seems
You backed into something not long ago and smashed a tail light,
didn't you?
yes dammit! a concrete letter box. I was doing a u-turn and not
paying attention
So you're bragging about your car being better because...... :)
On 13/6/2026 6:45 pm, Noddy wrote:
Most of them do. The main difference is that they usually have aThe lack of autonomous braking is the main difference between the 2
shorter range, and there is no antonymous braking.
systems, I've not experienced a car braking by itself in reverse but I
find it difficult to believe that its a great idea.
On 13/6/2026 10:02 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 13/06/2026 9:15 pm, Axel wrote:So much for CTA and autonomous braking, 2 different cars, 2 different drivers and 2 failures, best to just use the mirrors and the brake pedal:-)
Noddy wrote:
On 13/06/2026 8:49 pm, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
About the only thing your ZS would do better is be cheaper.
it's warning system is better it seems
You backed into something not long ago and smashed a tail light,
didn't you?
yes dammit! a concrete letter box. I was doing a u-turn and not
paying attention
So you're bragging about your car being better because...... :)
Noddy wrote:
On 13/06/2026 8:49 pm, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
About the only thing your ZS would do better is be cheaper.
it's warning system is better it seems
You backed into something not long ago and smashed a tail light,
didn't you?
yes dammit! a concrete letter box. I was doing a u-turn and not paying attention
Apparently it ain't much better :)
On 13/06/2026 9:15 pm, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
On 13/06/2026 8:49 pm, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
About the only thing your ZS would do better is be cheaper.
it's warning system is better it seems
You backed into something not long ago and smashed a tail light,
didn't you?
yes dammit! a concrete letter box. I was doing a u-turn and not paying
attention
How do you smash a tail light doing a u-turn?
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