<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the shortage of kids.
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is politely declining.
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-
selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the shortage of
kids.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is
politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
We are just going to work out how to handle that
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-
selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the shortage
of kids.
It is when you realise that Chinese farms aren't producing anywhere near the amount of food the population requires.
In fact China imports over 30% of food staples.
For many food products it's as much as 80%.
That's a famine in waiting requiring only an epidemic to trigger it.
Oh, that's right, they had Covid.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
Only if you believe the CCP population figures and there are numerous
good reasons not to believe those one of which is the halving of primary school numbers
and the deliberate misreporting of Covid deaths.
The Japanese got rich before they got old.
The Chinese will not get rich before they get old
- and that is a huge problem for both the people and the government..
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is
politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
Maybe so
but China relies on its demographic dividend to to maintain political stability...
and that is unraveling as I write this.
We are just going to work out how to handle that
When you understand the cause,
you will know the difficulty in doing just that.
The entire world has never faced an economicmodel where the is a mass demographic decline.
It requires an entirely new economic model.
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-
selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the
shortage of-a-a kids.
It is when you realise that Chinese farms aren't producing anywhere
near the amount of food the population requires.
That's not the reason that they like the whole
of the rest of the first and second world isnt
even self replacing anymore
In fact China imports over-a-a 30% of food staples.
Wrong
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_c12d297b-ac98-45ef-a6c5-34103ef9950a
For many food products it's as much as 80%.
Wrong
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_c12d297b-ac98-45ef-a6c5-34103ef9950a
That's-a-a-a a famine in waiting requiring only an epidemic to trigger it.
Bullshit
Oh, that's-a-a right, they had Covid.
That wasn't a famine
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
Only if you believe the CCP population figures and there are numerous
good reasons not to believe those one of which is the halving of
primary school numbers
That isnt due to the number of kids alone
and the deliberate misreporting of Covid deaths.
The Japanese got rich before they got old.
Must explain the number who are homeless
The Chinese will not get rich-a-a before they get old
We'll see how it works out for them
- and that is a huge problem for both the people and the government..
Bullshit
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is
politely declining.
-aSo is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
Maybe so
No maybe about it
but China relies on its demographic dividend to to maintain political
stability...
Bullshit, they use the army
and that is unraveling as I write this.
Bullshit
We are just going to work out how to handle that
When you understand the cause,
You clearly don't
you will know the difficulty in doing-a-a just that.
Plenty have just imploded demographicallty, nothing new about that
The entire world has never faced an economicmodel where the-a is a mass
demographic decline.
But parts of it has
It requires an entirely new economic-a-a model.
Bullshit given automation
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-
selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the
shortage of kids.
It is when you realise that Chinese farms aren't producing anywhere
near the amount of food the population requires.
That's not the reason that they. like the whole
of the rest of the first and second world isnt
even self replacing anymore
That reason is very simple - it's best known as industrialisation.
In fact China imports over 30% of food staples.
Wrong
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_c12d297b-ac98-45ef-a6c5-34103ef9950a
For many food products it's as much as 80%.
Wrong
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_c12d297b-ac98-45ef-a6c5-34103ef9950a
That's a famine in waiting requiring only an epidemic to trigger it.
Bullshit
It happened! Don't you look at the news?
Oh, that's right, they had Covid.
That wasn't a famine
But if the farmers die, they don't farm. If the workers die, they don't produce. A lot of companies are seeing it coming and are exiting China.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
Only if you believe the CCP population figures and there are numerous
good reasons not to believe those one of which is the halving of
primary school numbers
That isnt due to the number of kids alone
Who else requires primary schools if not kids?
and the deliberate misreporting of Covid deaths.
The Japanese got rich before they got old.
Must explain the number who are homeless
Stats please.
The Chinese will not get rich before they get old
We'll see how it works out for them
That is in progress *now*.
- and that is a huge problem for both the people and the government..
Bullshit
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is
politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
Maybe so
No maybe about it
but China relies on its demographic dividend to to maintain political
stability...
Bullshit, they use the army
Actually, they didn't
with the demographic dividend coming togrief, the army is increasingly being called in.
Note for instance, all the factories in China mysteriously catching fire.
Ever wondered why that happens?
and that is unraveling as I write this.
Bullshit
We are just going to work out how to handle that
When you understand the cause,
You clearly don't
I have a fair idea. It is multifaceted.
you will know the difficulty in doing just that.
Plenty have just imploded demographicallty, nothing new about that
Nowhere has imploded to the scale that China is currently doing.
The entire world has never faced an economic model where the is a
mass demographic decline.
But parts of it has
We are talking about a huge country, not *part* of a country.
It requires an entirely new economic model.
Bullshit given automation
Seen the current unemployment in China?
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops- >>>>>>>> selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the
shortage of kids.
It is when you realise that Chinese farms aren't producing anywhere
near the amount of food the population requires.
-aThat's not the reason that they. like the whole
of the rest of the first and second world isnt
even self replacing anymore
That reason is very simple - it's best known as industrialisation.
Wrong That's not the reason that the
Philipines isnt self replacing anymore
In fact China imports over-a-a 30% of food staples.
-aWrong
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_c12d297b-ac98-45ef-a6c5-34103ef9950a
For many food products it's as much as 80%.
-aWrong
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_c12d297b-ac98-45ef-a6c5-34103ef9950a
That's a famine in waiting requiring only an epidemic to trigger it.
-aBullshit
It happened! Don't you look at the news?
There was no FAMINE
Oh, that's-a-a right, they had Covid.
-aThat wasn't a famine
But if the farmers die, they don't farm. If the workers die, they
don't produce. A lot of companies are seeing it coming and are exiting
China.
The are leaving because of what Xi is up
to, not because farmers died due to ccvid
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
Only if you believe the CCP population figures and there are
numerous good reasons not to believe those one of which is the
halving of primary school numbers
-aThat isnt due to the number of kids alone
Who else requires primary schools if not kids?
Lots of primary schools have closed because
there has been a lot of consolidation of primary
schools, not just because there aren't enough kids
and the deliberate misreporting of Covid deaths.
The Japanese got rich before they got old.
-aMust explain the number who are homeless
Stats please.
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_812f8c7b-e8db-4155-908b-31a6c917e30c
The Chinese will not get rich before they get old
We'll see how it works out for them
That is in progress *now*.
Bullshit
- and that is a huge problem for both the people and the government..
-aBullshit
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is
politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
Maybe so
No maybe about it
but China relies on its demographic dividend to to maintain
political stability...
-aBullshit, they use the army
Actually, they didn't
Corse they did with Tianmin Square
and what they have kept doing there
but,
with the demographic dividend coming togrief, the army is increasingly
being called in.
Bullshit given Tianmin on the increasing
Note for instance, all the factories in China mysteriously catching fire.
Fantasy
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_7bcc3088-02a0-4bbd-9af9-fa9db4b1d80b
Ever wondered why-a that happens?
It isnt
and that is unraveling as I write this.
-aBullshit
We are just going to work out how to handle that
When you understand the cause,
-aYou clearly don't
I have a fair idea. It is multifaceted.
you will know the difficulty in doing-a-a just that.
-aPlenty have just imploded demographicallty, nothing new about that
Nowhere has imploded to the scale that China is currently doing.
China is not imploding demographically and you
are just plain wrong about the Incas, Italy etc
The entire world has never faced an economic model where the-a is a
mass demographic decline.
-aBut parts of it has
We are talking about a huge country, not *part* of a country.
China has not seen mass demographic decline.
It requires an entirely new economic-a-a model.
-aBullshit given automation
Seen the current unemployment in China?
Yep, its nothing special at 5%
Rod Speed wroteBecause it is very surprising to many that
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wroteWhy bring the Philippines into it?
Rod Speed wroteWrong That's not the reason that the
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wroteThat reason is very simple - it's best known as industrialisation.
Rod Speed wroteThat's not the reason that they. like the whole
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wroteIt is when you realise that Chinese farms aren't producing anywhere >>>>> near the amount of food the population requires.
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wroteThe problem for China, their current famine is precisely the >>>>>>> shortage of kids.
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops- >>>>>>>>> selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>And they were the ones that decided that its better
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
of the rest of the first and second world isnt
even self replacing anymore
Philipines isnt self replacing anymore
I was *specifically* referring to *China*.And I rubbed your nose in the fact that the
That never happened, even with those quite literallyTell that to the people left starving in their apartments.There was no FAMINEIt happened! Don't you look at the news?In fact China imports over 30% of food staples.Wrong
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_c12d297b-ac98-45ef-a6c5-34103ef9950a
For many food products it's as much as 80%.Wrong
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_c12d297b-ac98-45ef-a6c5-34103ef9950a
That's a famine in waiting requiring only an epidemic to trigger it.Bullshit
Oh, that's right, they had Covid.That wasn't a famine
To do things more efficiently cost wiseWhy on earth would you *consolidate* primaryschools if there were no > contraction of numbers?But if the farmers die, they don't farm. If the workers die, they >>> don't produce. A lot of companies are seeing it coming and are exiting >>> China.The are leaving because of what Xi is up
to, not because farmers died due to ccvid
Lots of primary schools have closed becauseWho else requires primary schools if not kids?That isnt due to the number of kids aloneThat's not a famine and nothing like as bad asOnly if you believe the CCP population figures and there are >>>>> numerous good reasons not to believe those one of which is the >>>>> halving of primary school numbers
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
there has been a lot of consolidation of primary
schools, not just because there aren't enough kids
I saw the same sort of consolidation in Australian schools years back > and itwas for the lack of children to fill them.Irrelevant to why china does things
Get stuffedhttps://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_812f8c7b-e8db-4155-908b-31a6c917e30c> Be careful which stats you believe.Stats please.and the deliberate misreporting of Covid deaths.Must explain the number who are homeless
The Japanese got rich before they got old.
China's food *imports* tell a vastly different story.Bullshit they do, You are confusing the import of
That hasn't been true for a long time now andChinese manufacturing is currently based on a low wage workforce.BullshitThat is in progress *now*.The Chinese will not get rich before they get oldWe'll see how it works out for them
Throw in rising wages, US tariffs and politicalinstability and China > has a huge problem.Bullshit it does.
Large firms are shifting operations out of China to India,That has no effect on US and EU tariffs and it remains to be
Vietnam, and Mexico to bypass steep U.S. and EU tariffs,
avoid geopolitical risks, and counter rising mainland laborThats been going on for a long time now
costs. Rather than fully abandoning China, major brands
like Apple and Dell use a "China Plus One" strategy,
diversifying final assembly across these three distinct
regional hubs.
Why Firms Are Leaving ChinaFuck all that matter are and Japan has shown
Tariff Pressures: Punitive duties on Chinese electronics,There are no punitive tariffs anymore and it remains
textiles, and components make direct exporting expensive.
Rising Wages: Chinese factory wages have tripled over theSo much for your previous claim about rich
past decade.
De-risking: Corporations want protection from potentialBut given that china own most of its export manufacturing,
trade blockades, shipping bottlenecks, and political
conflicts.
Hub Strengths and SpecializationsBullshit it does
Vietnam: Dominates electronics,
footwear, and apparelIts not a patch on china export wise, particularly
assembly due to competitive wages and fast-growing
industrial clusters, though it often still relies on raw
components imported from China.
India: Offers massive domestic market scale, a large poolStill the absolute vast bulk is still made in china
of engineering talent, and aggressive government
manufacturing incentives (seen heavily in Apple's
expanding iPhone production).
Mexico: Provides crucial nearshoring advantages for NorthAnd has a massive problem that its much easier for trump
American markets, featuring fast 4-to-8 day overland
transit times to U.S. distribution centers and tariff-free
access via the USMCA trade agreement
Still involved an army response and still doesThat was simply the early signs of the public pushing back.Corse they did with Tianmin SquareActually, they didn't- and that is a huge problem for both the people and the government.. >>>> BullshitNo maybe about it
Maybe soThe CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is >>>>>>> politely declining.So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
but China relies on its demographic dividend to to maintain >>>>> political stability...Bullshit, they use the army
and what they have kept doing there
Uselessbut,See above...
with the demographic dividend coming togrief, the army is increasingly >>> being called in.Bullshit given Tianmin on the increasing
Everything always isNote for instance, all the factories in China mysteriously catching >>> fire.Fantasy
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_7bcc3088-02a0-4bbd-9af9-fa9db4b1d80b
Ever wondered why that happens?It isnt
I have a fair idea. It is multifaceted.and that is unraveling as I write this.Bullshit
You clearly don'tWe are just going to work out how to handle thatWhen you understand the cause,
Bullshit isOh but it is.China is not imploding demographicallyyou will know the difficulty in doing just that.Plenty have just imploded demographicallty, nothing new about that>>> Nowhere has imploded to the scale that China is currently doing.
Why is the CCP desperately trying to get its people to have children,Because that would make it easier to pay for things
lots of children?They are doing nothing of the sort
It's a complete turnaround from it's position a decade or two back. But > it's too little and it's definitely too late. If you had a clue about > demographics you would know why.You don't have a fucking clue about why
They are both examples of demographic implosionand you are just plain wrong about the Incas, Italy etcWTF have the Incas and Italy got to do with China?
Bullshit it isIt is seeing it *now*.China has not seen mass demographic decline.We are talking about a huge country, not *part* of a country.The entire world has never faced an economic model where the is a >>>>> mass demographic decline.But parts of it has
I believe the IMF, OECD and World Bank figures which say the same thingIf you believe the CCP figures, yes.Yep, its nothing special at 5%Seen the current unemployment in China?It requires an entirely new economic model.Bullshit given automation
If you don't, and I don't,You have no source for your claim
it's a different ball game. Recently the CCP *admitted* they had > miscounted the population by up to 100 million people. It is actually > much worse than that but the admission is significant. The CCP is > begrudgingly Ok calling their population at 1.4 Billion.Irrelevant to the IMF, OECD and World Bank figures
While we're at it, Ray Dalio has long been a China hawk. He has promoted > investment in China like no other. That was until a couple of years ago.Just one biased individual
Bridgewater Associates, the massive hedge fund founded bySays nothing useful about the unemployment rate
Ray Dalio, completely liquidated its entire portfolio of
U.S.-listed Chinese equities. Regulatory filings showed
the fund dumped roughly $1.5 billion in Chinese company
shares, including giants like Alibaba, PDD Holdings,
and Baidu.
The Shift in StrategySays nothing useful about the unemployment rate
Total Liquidation: Bridgewater sold out of all its major
Chinese American Depositary Receipts (ADRs).
Geopolitical & Economic Pressures: The move reflected aSays nothing useful about the unemployment rate
broader pullback due to rising trade tensions, slowing
economic momentum, and shifting market sentiment in China.
Ray DaliorCOs Stance: Though Dalio had long defended investingSays nothing useful about the unemployment rate
in China as a vital part of a diversified portfolio and
famously claimed he was "not a fair-weather investor", the
firm's strategic pivot coincided with his transition away
from daily leadership and board seats at Bridgewater.
You are getting your data from all the wrong placesYeah, IMF, OECD and World Bank are definitely that
and you show a distinct inability to read between the lines.I'm not interested in what fools like you ignorantly claim
Look at what people do, not what they say.Not possible with the unemployment rate and what
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the shortage of
kids.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is politely >> declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
We are just going to work out how to handle that
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the shortage
of kids.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is
politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
We are just going to work out how to handle that
Robotics of course. Soon they'll' having them picking oranges.
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops- >>>>>>>>>> selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the
shortage of kids.
It is when you realise that Chinese farms aren't producing
anywhere near the amount of food the population requires.
-aThat's not the reason that they. like the whole
of the rest of the first and second world isnt
even self replacing anymore
That reason is very simple - it's best known as industrialisation.-aWrong That's not the reason that the
Philipines isnt self replacing anymore
Why bring the Philippines into it?
Because it is very surprising to many that
the Philipines is not self replacing any more
I was *specifically* referring to-a-a *China*.
And I rubbed your nose in the fact that the
entire modern first and second world isnt
self replacing anymore and that the world
has to work out how to handle that now
In fact China imports over-a-a 30% of food staples.
-aWrong
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_c12d297b-ac98-45ef-a6c5-34103ef9950a
For many food products it's as much as 80%.
-aWrong
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_c12d297b-ac98-45ef-a6c5-34103ef9950a
That's a famine in waiting requiring only an epidemic to trigger it.
-aBullshit
It happened! Don't you look at the news?
-aThere was no FAMINE
Oh, that's-a-a right, they had Covid.
-aThat wasn't a famine
Tell that to the people left starving in their apartments.
That never happened, even with those quite literally
with the door to their flat welded shut by the authoritys
But if the farmers die, they don't farm. If the workers die, they
don't produce. A lot of companies are seeing it coming and are
exiting China.
The are leaving because of what Xi is up
to, not because farmers died due to ccvid
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
Only if you believe the CCP population figures and there are
numerous good reasons not to believe those one of which is the
halving of primary school numbers
-aThat isnt due to the number of kids alone
Who else requires primary schools if not kids?
-aLots of primary schools have closed because
there has been a lot of consolidation of primary
schools, not just because there aren't enough kids
Why on earth would you *consolidate* primaryschools if there were no
contraction of numbers?
To do things more efficiently cost wise
I saw the same sort of consolidation in Australian schools years back
and itwas for the lack of children to-a fill them.
Irrelevant to why china does things
and the deliberate misreporting of Covid deaths.
The Japanese got rich before they got old.
-aMust explain the number who are homeless
Stats please.-ahttps://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_812f8c7b-e8db-4155-908b-31a6c917e30c
Be careful which stats you believe.
Get stuffed
China's food *imports* tell a vastly-a-a different story.
Bullshit they do, You are confusing the import of
food for human consumption with animal food
The Chinese will not get rich before they get old
We'll see how it works out for them
That is in progress *now*.
-aBullshit
Chinese manufacturing is currently based on a low wage workforce.
That hasn't been true for a long time now and
is irrelevant to the wealth of the employers
Throw-a-a in rising wages, US tariffs and politicalinstability and China
has a-a-a huge problem.
Bullshit it does.
-a-a-a Large firms are shifting operations out of China to India,
-a-a-a Vietnam, and Mexico to bypass steep U.S. and EU tariffs,
That has no effect on US and EU tariffs and it remains to be
seen if trump loses control of congress in the mid terms and
congress pulls the plug on his stupid tariffs which are only
12.5% now anyway, a fart in the bath and not enough to see
stuff made in-a china made in the USA instead
And chinese EV exports prove that there
is nothing for china to worry about
-a-a-a avoid geopolitical risks, and counter rising mainland labor
-a-a-a costs. Rather than fully abandoning China, major brands
-a-a-a like Apple and Dell use a "China Plus One" strategy,
-a-a-a diversifying final assembly across these three distinct
-a-a-a regional hubs.
Thats been going on for a long time now
-a-a-a Why Firms Are Leaving China
Fuck all that matter are and Japan has shown
that it is perfectly possible to handle that
-a-a-a Tariff Pressures: Punitive duties on Chinese electronics,
-a-a-a textiles, and components make direct exporting expensive.
There are no punitive tariffs anymore and it remains
to be seen whether congress will pull the plug on
the tariffs once trump is crippled by the midterms
-a-a-a Rising Wages: Chinese factory wages have tripled over the
-a-a-a past decade.
So much for your previous claim about rich
-a-a-a De-risking: Corporations want protection from potential
-a-a-a trade blockades, shipping bottlenecks, and political
-a-a-a conflicts.
But given that china own most of its export manufacturing,
what foreign corps want is irrelevant
-a-a-a Hub Strengths and Specializations
-a-a-a Vietnam: Dominates electronics,
Bullshit it does
-a-a-a footwear, and apparel
-a-a-a assembly due to competitive wages and fast-growing
-a-a-a industrial clusters, though it often still relies on raw
-a-a-a components imported from China.
Its not a patch on china export wise, particularly
with the higher value stuff like vehicles etc
-a-a-a India: Offers massive domestic market scale, a large pool
-a-a-a of engineering talent, and aggressive government
-a-a-a manufacturing incentives (seen heavily in Apple's
-a-a-a expanding iPhone production).
Still the absolute vast bulk is still made in china
-a-a-a Mexico: Provides crucial nearshoring advantages for North
-a-a-a American markets, featuring fast 4-to-8 day overland
-a-a-a transit times to U.S. distribution centers and tariff-free
-a-a-a access via the USMCA trade agreement
And has a massive problem that its much easier for trump
to fuck over when he doesn't like what they do about illegals
- and that is a huge problem for both the people and the government..
-aBullshit
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is >>>>>>>> politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
Maybe so
No maybe about it
but China relies on its demographic dividend to to maintain
political stability...
-aBullshit, they use the army
Actually, they didn't
-aCorse they did with Tianmin Square
and what they have kept doing there
That was simply the early signs of the public pushing back.
Still involved an army response and still does
but,
with the demographic dividend coming togrief, the army is
increasingly being called in.
-aBullshit given Tianmin on the increasing
See above...
Useless
And clearly china is still fucking over attempts
in HongKong to stop the govt driving the bus
Note for instance, all the factories in China mysteriously catching
fire.
-aFantasy
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_7bcc3088-02a0-4bbd-9af9-fa9db4b1d80b
Ever wondered why-a that happens?
-aIt isnt
and that is unraveling as I write this.
-aBullshit
We are just going to work out how to handle that
When you understand the cause,
-aYou clearly don't
I have a fair idea. It is multifaceted.
Everything always is
you will know the difficulty in doing just that.
-aPlenty have just imploded demographicallty, nothing new about that
Nowhere has imploded to the scale that China is currently doing.
-aChina is not imploding demographically
Oh but it is.
Bullshit is
Why is the CCP desperately trying to get its people to have children,
Because that would make it easier to pay for things
lots of children?
They are doing nothing of the sort
It's a complete turnaround from it's position a decade or two back.
But it's too little and it's definitely too late. If you had a clue
about demographics you would know why.
You don't have a fucking clue about why
and you-a-a are just plain wrong about the Incas, Italy etc
WTF have the Incas and Italy got to do with China?
They are both examples of demographic implosion
The entire world has never faced an economic model where the-a is a >>>>>> mass demographic decline.
-aBut parts of it has
We are talking about a huge country, not *part* of a country.
-aChina has not seen mass demographic decline.
It is seeing it *now*.
Bullshit it is
It requires an entirely new economic-a-a model.
-aBullshit given automation
Seen the current unemployment in China?
-aYep, its nothing special at 5%
If you believe the CCP figures, yes.
I believe the IMF, OECD and World Bank figures which say the same thing
If you don't, and I don't,
You have no source for your claim
it's a different ball game. Recently the CCP *admitted* they had
miscounted the population by up to 100 million people. It is actually
much worse than that but the admission is significant. The CCP is
begrudgingly Ok calling their population at 1.4 Billion.
Irrelevant to the IMF, OECD and World Bank figures
While we're at it, Ray Dalio has long been a China hawk. He has
promoted investment in China like no other. That was until a couple of
years ago.
Just one biased individual
-a-a-a Bridgewater Associates, the massive hedge fund founded by
-a-a-a Ray Dalio, completely liquidated its entire portfolio of
-a-a-a U.S.-listed Chinese equities. Regulatory filings showed
-a-a-a the fund dumped roughly $1.5 billion in Chinese company
-a-a-a shares, including giants like Alibaba, PDD Holdings,
-a-a-a and Baidu.
Says nothing useful about the unemployment rate
-a-a-a The Shift in Strategy
-a-a-a Total Liquidation: Bridgewater sold out of all its major
-a-a-a Chinese American Depositary Receipts (ADRs).
Says nothing useful about the unemployment rate
-a-a-a Geopolitical & Economic Pressures: The move reflected a
-a-a-a broader pullback due to rising trade tensions, slowing
-a-a-a economic momentum, and shifting market sentiment in China.
Says nothing useful about the unemployment rate
-a-a-a Ray DaliorCOs Stance: Though Dalio had long defended investing
-a-a-a in China as a vital part of a diversified portfolio and
-a-a-a famously claimed he was "not a fair-weather investor", the
-a-a-a firm's strategic pivot coincided with his transition away
-a-a-a from daily leadership and board seats at Bridgewater.
Says nothing useful about the unemployment rate
You are getting your data from all the wrong places
Yeah, IMF, OECD and World Bank are definitely that
and you show a-a-a-a distinct inability to read between the lines.
I'm not interested in what fools-a like you ignorantly claim
Look at what people do,-a-a not what they say.
Not possible with the unemployment rate and what
investors in china do is just their opinion about the
future and they have been completely wrong before
On Tue, 04 Aug 2026 17:59:05 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the shortage of >>> kids.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is politely >>> declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
We are just going to work out how to handle that
Robotics of course. Soon they'll' having them picking oranges.
Rod Speed wroteYou are irrelevant
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wroteNot surprising to me.
Rod Speed wroteBecause it is very surprising to many that
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wroteWhy bring the Philippines into it?
Rod Speed wrotePhilipines isnt self replacing anymore
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wroteThat reason is very simple - it's best known as industrialisation.>>>> Wrong That's not the reason that the
Rod Speed wroteThat's not the reason that they. like the whole
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wroteIt is when you realise that Chinese farms aren't producing >>>>>>> anywhere near the amount of food the population requires.
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wroteThe problem for China, their current famine is precisely the >>>>>>>>> shortage of kids.
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops- >>>>>>>>>>> selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made >>>>>>>>>> And they were the ones that decided that its better
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
of the rest of the first and second world isnt
even self replacing anymore
the Philipines is not self replacing any more
The Philippines had a shortage of *men* some 40 years agoBullshit they did and the number of them was clearly
so what you're seeing is merely a flow on effect of that.Bullshit it is
It is for many who still ignorantly hyperventilateThat is not new news.I was *specifically* referring to *China*.And I rubbed your nose in the fact that the
entire modern first and second world isnt
self replacing anymore and that the world
has to work out how to handle that now
What is new is the speed at which China caught up and is overtaking the > rest of the industrialised worldwith its demographic decline.That's not new either given the stupidity of their one child policy
I believe the facts and I know that that never happenedYeah, right! You go on believing that!That never happened, even with those quite literallyTell that to the people left starving in their apartments.There was no FAMINEIt happened! Don't you look at the news?In fact China imports over 30% of food staples.Wrong
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_c12d297b-ac98-45ef-a6c5-34103ef9950a >>>>>>> For many food products it's as much as 80%.
Wrong
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_c12d297b-ac98-45ef-a6c5-34103ef9950a >>>>>>> That's a famine in waiting requiring only an epidemic to trigger >>>>>>> it.
Bullshit
Oh, that's right, they had Covid.That wasn't a famine
with the door to their flat welded shut by the authoritys
Not just for that reasonYeah, because each school has a lower number so merge.To do things more efficiently cost wiseWhy on earth would you *consolidate* primaryschools if there were no >>> contraction of numbers?But if the farmers die, they don't farm. If the workers die, they >>>>> don't produce. A lot of companies are seeing it coming and are >>>>> exiting China.The are leaving because of what Xi is up
to, not because farmers died due to ccvid
Lots of primary schools have closed becauseWho else requires primary schools if not kids?That isnt due to the number of kids aloneThat's not a famine and nothing like as bad asOnly if you believe the CCP population figures and there are >>>>>>> numerous good reasons not to believe those one of which is the >>>>>>> halving of primary school numbers
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
there has been a lot of consolidation of primary
schools, not just because there aren't enough kids
Bullshit they were with chinaThe causes were the same.I saw the same sort of consolidation in Australian schools years back >>> and itwas for the lack of children to fill them.Irrelevant to why china does things
More of your bullshit given that I gave you the statsRod's lost his argument.Get stuffedBe careful which stats you believe.https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_812f8c7b-e8db-4155-908b-31a6c917e30cStats please.and the deliberate misreporting of Covid deaths.Must explain the number who are homeless
The Japanese got rich before they got old.
Hardly surprising that china with an immense volume ofFFS, the animals eat the grain, then people eat the animals.China's food *imports* tell a vastly different story.Bullshit they do, You are confusing the import of
food for human consumption with animal food
Either way grain is part of the food chain.But the production of animal food is done
Look at the importance of Pork in the Chinese diet and the devastation > of F&MD on pork supplies. If you import a pig food grain, any > interruption to supply affects the final product - pork.Not when its so trivial to store vast quantitys of
But you ignorantly claimed that that is an importantDid I not mention *tariffs*? I am sure I did.That hasn't been true for a long time now andChinese manufacturing is currently based on a low wage workforce.BullshitThat is in progress *now*.The Chinese will not get rich before they get oldWe'll see how it works out for them
is irrelevant to the wealth of the employers
Throw in rising wages, US tariffs and politicalinstability and China >>> has a huge problem.Bullshit it does.
Large firms are shifting operations out of China to India,That has no effect on US and EU tariffs and it remains to be
Vietnam, and Mexico to bypass steep U.S. and EU tariffs,
seen if trump loses control of congress in the mid terms and
congress pulls the plug on his stupid tariffs which are only
12.5% now anyway, a fart in the bath and not enough to see
stuff made in china made in the USA instead
And chinese EV exports prove that there
is nothing for china to worry about
Bullshit with clothing, shoes, electronics etcAccelerated hugely since Covid.avoid geopolitical risks, and counter rising mainland laborThats been going on for a long time now
costs. Rather than fully abandoning China, major brands
like Apple and Dell use a "China Plus One" strategy,
diversifying final assembly across these three distinct
regional hubs.
Europe's responce is a fart in the bathI'm referring to Europe's response to China's attempt to flood the Euro > market.Why Firms Are Leaving ChinaFuck all that matter are and Japan has shown
that it is perfectly possible to handle that
Tariff Pressures: Punitive duties on Chinese electronics,There are no punitive tariffs anymore and it remains
textiles, and components make direct exporting expensive.
to be seen whether congress will pull the plug on
the tariffs once trump is crippled by the midterms
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bagYou seriously don't get it, do you?Rising Wages: Chinese factory wages have tripled over theSo much for your previous claim about rich
past decade.
Bullshit they are doing anything of the sortSo why is China practically begging for overseas investment?De-risking: Corporations want protection from potentialBut given that china own most of its export manufacturing,
trade blockades, shipping bottlenecks, and political
conflicts.
what foreign corps want is irrelevant
But it remains to be seen if the dems canTrump will not always be there.Hub Strengths and SpecializationsBullshit it does
Vietnam: Dominates electronics,
footwear, and apparelIts not a patch on china export wise, particularly
assembly due to competitive wages and fast-growing
industrial clusters, though it often still relies on raw
components imported from China.
with the higher value stuff like vehicles etc
India: Offers massive domestic market scale, a large poolStill the absolute vast bulk is still made in china
of engineering talent, and aggressive government
manufacturing incentives (seen heavily in Apple's
expanding iPhone production).
Mexico: Provides crucial nearshoring advantages for NorthAnd has a massive problem that its much easier for trump
American markets, featuring fast 4-to-8 day overland
transit times to U.S. distribution centers and tariff-free
access via the USMCA trade agreement
to fuck over when he doesn't like what they do about illegals
In fact, I think the mid terms may impoverish him somewhat.What I said
So your original claim that the army is not involved was always wrongThe entire Chinese army is devoted to internal control, not external > conquest, and it has long been thus.Still involved an army response and still doesThat was simply the early signs of the public pushing back.Corse they did with Tianmin SquareActually, they didn't- and that is a huge problem for both the people and the >>>>>>> government..Bullshit
No maybe about itMaybe soThe CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is >>>>>>>>> politely declining.So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
but China relies on its demographic dividend to to maintain >>>>>>> political stability...Bullshit, they use the army
and what they have kept doing there
Ditto for countries like Indonesia.Pity about CONFRONTAZIE
And promised to have two systems and then reneged on thatThe CCP *controls* the HK government. They took HK over, remember?Uselessbut,See above...
with the demographic dividend coming togrief, the army is >>>>> increasingly being called in.Bullshit given Tianmin on the increasing
And clearly china is still fucking over attempts
in HongKong to stop the govt driving the bus
Bullshit and that never works anyway asThey are and they are soon about to ramp it up further.Everything always isNote for instance, all the factories in China mysteriously catching >>>>> fire.Fantasy
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_7bcc3088-02a0-4bbd-9af9-fa9db4b1d80b
Ever wondered why that happens?It isnt
I have a fair idea. It is multifaceted.and that is unraveling as I write this.Bullshit
You clearly don'tWe are just going to work out how to handle thatWhen you understand the cause,
Bullshit isOh but it is.China is not imploding demographicallyyou will know the difficulty in doing just that.Plenty have just imploded demographicallty, nothing new about that >>>>> Nowhere has imploded to the scale that China is currently doing.
Why is the CCP desperately trying to get its people to have children,Because that would make it easier to pay for things
lots of children?They are doing nothing of the sort
So you agree that they have in fact had a demographic implosionFor ItalyIt's a complete turnaround from it's position a decade or two back. >>> But it's too little and it's definitely too late. If you had a clue >>> about demographics you would know why.You don't have a fucking clue about why
They are both examples of demographic implosionand you are just plain wrong about the Incas, Italy etcWTF have the Incas and Italy got to do with China?
ItalyrCOs demographic implosionrCooften called its "demographic winter"rCois > caused by a combination of chronic job insecurity, low wages, high > housing costs, and a lack of support for working mothers. This has > driven the fertility rate down to a historic low of 1.14 children per > woman, far below the 2.1 required to maintain a stable population.
For the IncasSo you agree that they have in fact had a demographic implosion
The demographic collapse of the Inca Empire was primarily caused by the > introduction of lethal European infectious diseases, such as smallpox, > measles, and influenza, against which indigenous Andean populations had > no natural immunity. These pathogens swept through South America in the > 1520srCoeven preceding direct contact with Spanish conquistadorsrCokilling > an estimated 50% to 90% of the population within a century.
You're not very good at this stuff, are you Rod?You just proved that I am, given I just proved that your stupid
Nothing even remotely like Italy'sChinaBullshit it isIt is seeing it *now*.China has not seen mass demographic decline.We are talking about a huge country, not *part* of a country.The entire world has never faced an economic model where the is a >>>>>>> mass demographic decline.But parts of it has
China's population is shrinking due to record-low birthrates
and an aging society,Nothing even remotely like Italy's
marking consecutive annual declines driven by economic pressuresBullshit
and the legacy of past family-planning policies.Bullshit they do
They get their figures from the CCP.I believe the IMF, OECD and World Bank figures which say the same thingIf you believe the CCP figures, yes.Yep, its nothing special at 5%Seen the current unemployment in China?It requires an entirely new economic model.Bullshit given automation
The CCP limits what info gets out.Irrelevant to where the IMF, OECD and World Bank get their's from
Very common practice with tyrannical regimes.Which might just be why the IMF, OECD and World Bank doesn't use them
Bullshit you doAh, but I do.If you don't, and I don't,You have no source for your claim
What's more, I have texts on hand (real books) that provide quite a deal > of depth on these topicsBullshit they do on the CURRENT unemployment rate in china
and many others. But I see you arelimited to, and by, the internet,Wrong, as always
so ...No one denies that there was been a drop in population
AI Overview
--------------------
China officially acknowledged a historic population drop in early > 2023rCoreporting its first national decline since 1961rCoand subsequent data > confirms the trend continues. Decades of the One-Child Policy, rising > living costs, and changing social norms have driven fertility rates far > below replacement level, leaving Beijing scrambling with economic and > societal challenges.
So, as a I said, a biased individualNope, he was very much pro China - until recently.it's a different ball game. Recently the CCP *admitted* they had >>> miscounted the population by up to 100 million people. It is actually >>> much worse than that but the admission is significant. The CCP is >>> begrudgingly Ok calling their population at 1.4 Billion.Irrelevant to the IMF, OECD and World Bank figures
While we're at it, Ray Dalio has long been a China hawk. He has >>> promoted investment in China like no other. That was until a couple of >>> years ago.Just one biased individual
He has woken up!We'll see...
Your en masse is just more of your mindless bullshitLike I said, the wrong places. They use data fed to them from the CCP.Wrong, as alwaysBridgewater Associates, the massive hedge fund founded bySays nothing useful about the unemployment rate
Ray Dalio, completely liquidated its entire portfolio of
U.S.-listed Chinese equities. Regulatory filings showed
the fund dumped roughly $1.5 billion in Chinese company
shares, including giants like Alibaba, PDD Holdings,
and Baidu.
The Shift in StrategySays nothing useful about the unemployment rate
Total Liquidation: Bridgewater sold out of all its major
Chinese American Depositary Receipts (ADRs).
Geopolitical & Economic Pressures: The move reflected aSays nothing useful about the unemployment rate
broader pullback due to rising trade tensions, slowing
economic momentum, and shifting market sentiment in China.
Ray DaliorCOs Stance: Though Dalio had long defended investingSays nothing useful about the unemployment rate
in China as a vital part of a diversified portfolio and
famously claimed he was "not a fair-weather investor", the
firm's strategic pivot coincided with his transition away
from daily leadership and board seats at Bridgewater.
You are getting your data from all the wrong placesYeah, IMF, OECD and World Bank are definitely that
Not when they are acting en masse in the same general direction - out of > China.and you show a distinct inability to read between the lines.I'm not interested in what fools like you ignorantly claim
Look at what people do, not what they say.Not possible with the unemployment rate and what
investors in china do is just their opinion about the
future and they have been completely wrong before
Peter Jason wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the shortage >>>> of kids.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is
politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
We are just going to work out how to handle that
Robotics of course. Soon they'll' having them picking oranges.
I'd like to see that!
They have *robots* here picking blueberries.That doesn't work well either.
Robotics has a long way to go.
-aWrong That's not the reason that the
Philipines isnt self replacing anymore
Why bring the Philippines into it?
-aBecause it is very surprising to many that
the Philipines is not self replacing any more
Not surprising to me.
You are irrelevant
The Philippines had a shortage of *men* some 40 years ago
Bullshit they did and the number of them was clearly
enough to see them pumping out hordes of kids
Same with france after WW1 had ended
so what you're seeing is merely a flow on effect of that.
Bullshit it is
I was *specifically* referring to-a-a *China*.
-aAnd I rubbed your nose in the fact that the
entire modern first and second world isnt
self replacing anymore and that the world
has to work out how to handle that now
That is not new news.
It is for many who still ignorantly hyperventilate
about how we will handle the world population
What is new is the speed at which China caught up and is overtaking
the rest of the industrialised worldwith its-a-a demographic decline.
That's not new either given the stupidity of their one child policy
In fact China imports over 30% of food staples.
-aWrong
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_c12d297b-ac98-45ef-a6c5-34103ef9950a
For many food products it's as much as 80%.
-aWrong
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_c12d297b-ac98-45ef-a6c5-34103ef9950a
That's a famine in waiting requiring only an epidemic to trigger >>>>>>>> it.
-aBullshit
It happened! Don't you look at the news?
-aThere was no FAMINE
Oh, that's-a-a right, they had Covid.
-aThat wasn't a famine
Tell that to the people left starving in their apartments.
That never happened, even with those quite literally
with the door to their flat welded shut by the authoritys
Yeah, right! You go on believing that!
I believe the facts and I know that that never happened
because a mate of mine who worked there for years and
who married one of them and who both reside in Oz who
return to china every year to visit he parents, both of which
are still living there and lots of relos and they did that when
covid was rampant and so did her chinese boss in Oz
The causes were the same.
Bullshit they were with china
and the deliberate misreporting of Covid deaths.
The Japanese got rich before they got old.
-aMust explain the number who are homeless
Stats please.
-ahttps://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_812f8c7b-e8db-4155-908b-31a6c917e30c
Be careful which stats you believe.
-aGet stuffed
Rod's lost his argument.
More of your bullshit given that I gave you the stats
that prove that you don't have a fucking clue
China's food *imports* tell a vastly different story.
-aBullshit they do, You are confusing the import of
food for human consumption with animal food
FFS, the animals eat the grain, then people eat the animals.
Hardly surprising that china with an immense volume of
exports chooses to take advantage of the much lower cost
of producing animal food in the first world which does that
using very high levels of industrialisation of agriculture and
vast acreage of high intensity agriculture than china can't
get within a bulls roar of doing anything like
Either way-a-a grain is part of the food chain.
But the production of animal food is done
very differently in the first world and china
Look at the importance of Pork in the Chinese diet and the devastation
of F&MD on pork supplies. If you import a pig food grain, any
interruption to supply affects the final product - pork.
Not when its so trivial to store vast quantitys of
animal food for very long times if that is necessary
And its also true of other chinese imports like coal,
iron ore natural gas, crude oil, all of which china
can't supply itself in adequate volume for its needs
The Chinese will not get rich before they get old
We'll see how it works out for them
That is in progress *now*.
-aBullshit
Chinese manufacturing is currently based on a low wage workforce.
That hasn't been true for a long time now and
is irrelevant to the wealth of the employers
Throw-a-a in rising wages, US tariffs and politicalinstability and
China has a-a-a huge problem.
-aBullshit it does.
-a-a-a Large firms are shifting operations out of China to India,
-a-a-a Vietnam, and Mexico to bypass steep U.S. and EU tariffs,
That has no effect on US and EU tariffs and it remains to be
seen if trump loses control of congress in the mid terms and
congress pulls the plug on his stupid tariffs which are only
12.5% now anyway, a fart in the bath and not enough to see
stuff made in-a china made in the USA instead
-aAnd chinese EV exports prove that there
is nothing for china to worry about
Did I not mention *tariffs*? I am sure I did.
But you ignorantly claimed that that is an important
effect and trump's tariffis apply to all the others you
stupidly claimed are taking over from china on
-a-a-a avoid geopolitical risks, and counter rising mainland labor
-a-a-a costs. Rather than fully abandoning China, major brands
-a-a-a like Apple and Dell use a "China Plus One" strategy,
-a-a-a diversifying final assembly across these three distinct
-a-a-a regional hubs.
-aThats been going on for a long time now
Accelerated hugely since Covid.
Bullshit with clothing, shoes, electronics etc
-a-a-a Why Firms Are Leaving China
-aFuck all that matter are and Japan has shown
that it is perfectly possible to handle that
-a-a-a Tariff Pressures: Punitive duties on Chinese electronics,
-a-a-a textiles, and components make direct exporting expensive.
There are no punitive tariffs anymore and it remains
to be seen whether congress will pull the plug on
the tariffs once trump is crippled by the midterms
I'm referring to Europe's response to China's attempt to flood the
Euro market.
Europe's responce is a fart in the bath
-a-a-a Rising Wages: Chinese factory wages have tripled over the
-a-a-a past decade.
-aSo much for your previous claim about rich
You seriously don't get it, do you?
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag
-a-a-a De-risking: Corporations want protection from potential
-a-a-a trade blockades, shipping bottlenecks, and political
-a-a-a conflicts.
-aBut given that china own most of its export manufacturing,
what foreign corps want is irrelevant
So why is China practically begging for overseas investment?
Bullshit they are doing anything of the sort
-a-a-a Hub Strengths and Specializations
-a-a-a Vietnam: Dominates electronics,
-aBullshit it does
-a-a-a footwear, and apparel
-a-a-a assembly due to competitive wages and fast-growing
-a-a-a industrial clusters, though it often still relies on raw
-a-a-a components imported from China.
-aIts not a patch on china export wise, particularly
with the higher value stuff like vehicles etc
-a-a-a India: Offers massive domestic market scale, a large pool
-a-a-a of engineering talent, and aggressive government
-a-a-a manufacturing incentives (seen heavily in Apple's
-a-a-a expanding iPhone production).
-aStill the absolute vast bulk is still made in china
-a-a-a Mexico: Provides crucial nearshoring advantages for North
-a-a-a American markets, featuring fast 4-to-8 day overland
-a-a-a transit times to U.S. distribution centers and tariff-free
-a-a-a access via the USMCA trade agreement
And has a massive problem that its much easier for trump
to fuck over when he doesn't like what they do about illegals
Trump will not always be there.
But it remains to be seen if the dems can
come up with anyone who will be able to
appeal to the voters more than Vance
In fact, I think the mid terms may impoverish him somewhat.
What I said
- and that is a huge problem for both the people and the
government..
-aBullshit
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace >>>>>>>>>> is-a-a politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
Maybe so
No maybe about it
but China relies on its demographic dividend to to maintain
political stability...
-aBullshit, they use the army
Actually, they didn't
Corse they did with Tianmin Square
and what they have kept doing there
That was simply the early signs of the public pushing back.
Still involved an army response and still does
The entire Chinese army is devoted to internal control, not external
conquest, and it has long been thus.
So your original claim that the army is not involved was always wrong
Ditto for countries like Indonesia.
Pity about CONFRONTAZIE
but,
with the demographic dividend coming togrief, the army is
increasingly being called in.
-aBullshit given Tianmin on the increasing
See above...
-aUseless
And clearly china is still fucking over attempts
in HongKong to stop the govt driving the bus
The CCP *controls* the HK government. They took HK over, remember?
And promised to have two systems and then reneged on that
Note for instance, all the factories in China mysteriously
catching fire.
Fantasy
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_7bcc3088-02a0-4bbd-9af9-fa9db4b1d80b
Ever wondered why-a that happens?
-aIt isnt
and that is unraveling as I write this.
-aBullshit
We are just going to work out how to handle that
When you understand the cause,
-aYou clearly don't
I have a fair idea. It is multifaceted.
-aEverything always is
you will know the difficulty in doing just that.
-aPlenty have just imploded demographicallty, nothing new about that
Nowhere has imploded to the scale that China is currently doing.
-aChina is not imploding demographically
Oh but it is.
-aBullshit is
Why is the CCP desperately trying to get its people to have children,
-aBecause that would make it easier to pay for things
lots of children?
-aThey are doing nothing of the sort
They are and they are soon about to ramp it up further.
Bullshit and that never works anyway as
south korea and singapore and italy proves
It's a complete turnaround from it's position a decade or two back.
But it's too little and it's definitely too late. If you had a clue
about demographics you would know why.
-aYou don't have a fucking clue about why
and you-a-a are just plain wrong about the Incas, Italy etc
WTF have the Incas and Italy got to do with China?
-aThey are both examples of demographic implosion
For Italy
ItalyrCOs demographic implosionrCooften called its "demographic winter"rCois
caused by a combination of chronic job insecurity, low wages, high
housing costs, and a lack of support for working mothers. This has
driven the fertility rate down to a historic low of 1.14 children per
woman, far below the 2.1 required to maintain a stable population.
So you agree that they have in fact had a demographic implosion
For the Incas
The demographic collapse of the Inca Empire was primarily caused by
the introduction of lethal European infectious diseases, such as
smallpox, measles, and influenza, against which indigenous Andean
populations had no natural immunity. These pathogens swept through
South America in the 1520srCoeven preceding direct contact with Spanish
conquistadorsrCokilling an estimated 50% to 90% of the population within
a century.
So you agree that they have in fact had a demographic implosion
You're not very good at this stuff, are you Rod?
You just proved that I am, given I just proved that your stupid
ignorant claim that no one has ever had a demographic
implosion is just another of your stupid ignorant claims
The entire world has never faced an economic model where the-a is >>>>>>>> a mass demographic decline.
-aBut parts of it has
We are talking about a huge country, not *part* of a country.
-aChina has not seen mass demographic decline.
It is seeing it *now*.
-aBullshit it is
China
China's population is shrinking due to record-low birthrates
Nothing even remotely like Italy's
and an-a-a aging society,
Nothing even remotely like Italy's
marking consecutive annual declines driven by economic pressures
Bullshit
and the legacy of past family-planning policies.
It requires an entirely new economic-a-a model.
-aBullshit given automation
Seen the current unemployment in China?
-aYep, its nothing special at 5%
If you believe the CCP figures, yes.
-aI believe the IMF, OECD and World Bank figures which say the same thing
They get their figures from the CCP.
Bullshit they do
The CCP limits what info gets out.
Irrelevant to where the IMF, OECD and World Bank get their's from
Very common practice with tyrannical regimes.
Which might just be why the IMF, OECD and World Bank doesn't use them
If you don't, and I don't,
-aYou have no source for your claim
Ah, but I do.
Bullshit you do
What's more, I have texts on hand (real books) that provide quite a
deal of depth on these topics
Bullshit they do on the CURRENT unemployment rate in china
and many others. But I see-a-a you arelimited to, and by, the internet,
Wrong, as always
so ...
AI Overview
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a --------------------
China officially acknowledged a historic population drop in early 2023
rCoreporting its first national decline since 1961rCoand subsequent data
confirms the trend continues. Decades of the One-Child Policy, rising
living costs, and changing social norms have driven fertility rates
far below replacement level, leaving Beijing scrambling with economic
and societal challenges.
No one denies that there was been a drop in population
We happen to be discussing right now your stupid ignorant
claim ABOUT THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE
<reams of crap irrelevant to the UNEMPLOYMENT
RATE flushed where it belongs>
it's a different ball game. Recently the CCP *admitted* they had
miscounted the population by up to 100 million people. It is
actually much worse than that but the admission is significant. The
CCP is begrudgingly Ok calling their population at 1.4 Billion.
-aIrrelevant to the IMF, OECD and World Bank figures
While we're at it, Ray Dalio has long been a China hawk. He has
promoted investment in China like no other. That was until a couple
of years ago.
-aJust one biased individual
Nope, he was very much pro China - until recently.
So, as a I said, a biased individual
He has woken up!
We'll see...
-a-a-a Bridgewater Associates, the massive hedge fund founded by
-a-a-a Ray Dalio, completely liquidated its entire portfolio of
-a-a-a U.S.-listed Chinese equities. Regulatory filings showed
-a-a-a the fund dumped roughly $1.5 billion in Chinese company
-a-a-a shares, including giants like Alibaba, PDD Holdings,
-a-a-a and Baidu.
-aSays nothing useful about the unemployment rate
-a-a-a The Shift in Strategy
-a-a-a Total Liquidation: Bridgewater sold out of all its major
-a-a-a Chinese American Depositary Receipts (ADRs).
-aSays nothing useful about the unemployment rate
-a-a-a Geopolitical & Economic Pressures: The move reflected a
-a-a-a broader pullback due to rising trade tensions, slowing
-a-a-a economic momentum, and shifting market sentiment in China.
-aSays nothing useful about the unemployment rate
-a-a-a Ray DaliorCOs Stance: Though Dalio had long defended investing
-a-a-a in China as a vital part of a diversified portfolio and
-a-a-a famously claimed he was "not a fair-weather investor", the
-a-a-a firm's strategic pivot coincided with his transition away
-a-a-a from daily leadership and board seats at Bridgewater.
-aSays nothing useful about the unemployment rate
You are getting your data from all the wrong places
-aYeah, IMF, OECD and World Bank are definitely that
Like I said, the wrong places. They use data fed to them from the CCP.
Wrong, as always
--and you show a distinct inability to read between the lines.
-aI'm not interested in what fools-a like you ignorantly claim
Look at what people do,-a-a not what they say.
-aNot possible with the unemployment rate and what
investors in china do is just their opinion about the
future and they have been completely wrong before
Not when they are acting en masse in the same general direction - out
of China.
Your en masse is just more of your mindless bullshit
Rod Speed wroteWhat may or may not surprise you is completely irrelevant
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wroteI can't be! You are responding to my posts.
Rod Speed wroteYou are irrelevant
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wroteNot surprising to me.
Rod Speed wroteBecause it is very surprising to many that
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wroteWhy bring the Philippines into it?
Rod Speed wroteWrong That's not the reason that the
Philipines isnt self replacing anymore
the Philipines is not self replacing any more
Bullshit it was. They did that because it was the only wayIt was why a lot of Filipinas migrated as overseas brides in the 70sThe Philippines had a shortage of *men* some 40 years agoBullshit they did https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_1c7f510b-d4ab-4a3a-8db1-2026c2e5f244
and the number of them was clearly
enough to see them pumping out hordes of kids
and confirmed by a Filipino I was working with in SE Asia.Pity his claim is bullshit
That didn't happen with the allies in WW2Same with france after WW1 had endedYeah, war has that effect!
Russia and Ukraine will both have a huge demographic imbalances if/when > that country's war ceases.More mindless bullshit. The fatality rate isnt that high
You are irrelevantI won't be particularly concerned.so what you're seeing is merely a flow on effect of that.Bullshit it is
It is for many who still ignorantly hyperventilateThat is not new news.I was *specifically* referring to *China*.And I rubbed your nose in the fact that the
entire modern first and second world isnt
self replacing anymore and that the world
has to work out how to handle that now
about how we will handle the world population
Complete and utter pig ignorant bullshitThe demographic collapse would have happened, with or without the one > child policy.What is new is the speed at which China caught up and is overtaking >>> the rest of the industrialised worldwith its demographic decline.That's not new either given the stupidity of their one child policy
Irrelevant to your stupid claim about famineMy friend will forever remain in China, the *effects* of Covid got him a > few years ago.I believe the facts and I know that that never happenedYeah, right! You go on believing that!That never happened, even with those quite literallyTell that to the people left starving in their apartments.There was no FAMINEIt happened! Don't you look at the news?In fact China imports over 30% of food staples.Wrong
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_c12d297b-ac98-45ef-a6c5-34103ef9950a >>>>>>>>> For many food products it's as much as 80%.
Wrong
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_c12d297b-ac98-45ef-a6c5-34103ef9950a >>>>>>>>> That's a famine in waiting requiring only an epidemic to trigger >>>>>>>>> it.
Bullshit
Oh, that's right, they had Covid.That wasn't a famine
with the door to their flat welded shut by the authoritys
because a mate of mine who worked there for years and
who married one of them and who both reside in Oz who
return to china every year to visit he parents, both of which
are still living there and lots of relos and they did that when
covid was rampant and so did her chinese boss in Oz
Nope, I gave the stats that the IMF, OECD and World Bank give outYou gave stats that the CCP gave out.The causes were the same.Bullshit they were with china
More of your bullshit given that I gave you the statsRod's lost his argument.Get stuffedhttps://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_812f8c7b-e8db-4155-908b-31a6c917e30c >>>>> Be careful which stats you believe.Stats please.and the deliberate misreporting of Covid deaths.Must explain the number who are homeless
The Japanese got rich before they got old.
that prove that you don't have a fucking clue
The reality on the ground is somewhat different.My mate's chinese wife's parents and relos know that it isnt
Fed animal feed that china doesn't produce anythingHuge pig farms in China,Hardly surprising that china with an immense volume ofFFS, the animals eat the grain, then people eat the animals.China's food *imports* tell a vastly different story.Bullshit they do, You are confusing the import of
food for human consumption with animal food
exports chooses to take advantage of the much lower cost
of producing animal food in the first world which does that
using very high levels of industrialisation of agriculture and
vast acreage of high intensity agriculture than china can't
get within a bulls roar of doing anything like
Either way grain is part of the food chain.But the production of animal food is done
very differently in the first world and china
how is that different to here?Fed animal feed that china doesn't produce anything
Except for their concept of hygiene, it's pretty much the same.Bullshit it is on the question of how the food for them is produced
We do lots of grain storage using piles of grain onWe use silos, the Chinese were storing their grain surpluses in piles on > the side of the roads.Look at the importance of Pork in the Chinese diet and the devastation >>> of F&MD on pork supplies. If you import a pig food grain, any >>> interruption to supply affects the final product - pork.Not when its so trivial to store vast quantitys of
animal food for very long times if that is necessary
Yeah, that's trivial, and ripe for spoilage.Wrong, as always
No vulnerability given the multiple sources of the animalAnd its also true of other chinese imports like coal,Can you not see the incredible vulnerability that China faces should > world trade be interrupted - like it is with oil in the ME right now?
iron ore natural gas, crude oil, all of which china
can't supply itself in adequate volume for its needs
There is no many with tariff given only the USA and EU areOne aspect of many.But you ignorantly claimed that that is an importantDid I not mention *tariffs*? I am sure I did.That hasn't been true for a long time now andChinese manufacturing is currently based on a low wage workforce.BullshitThat is in progress *now*.The Chinese will not get rich before they get oldWe'll see how it works out for them
is irrelevant to the wealth of the employers
Throw in rising wages, US tariffs and politicalinstability and China >>>>> has a huge problem.Bullshit it does.
Large firms are shifting operations out of China to India,That has no effect on US and EU tariffs and it remains to be
Vietnam, and Mexico to bypass steep U.S. and EU tariffs,
seen if trump loses control of congress in the mid terms and
congress pulls the plug on his stupid tariffs which are only
12.5% now anyway, a fart in the bath and not enough to see
stuff made in china made in the USA instead
And chinese EV exports prove that there
is nothing for china to worry about
effect and trump's tariffis apply to all the others you
stupidly claimed are taking over from china on
Hardly surprisingMaybe but it worries the CCP.Bullshit with clothing, shoes, electronics etcAccelerated hugely since Covid.avoid geopolitical risks, and counter rising mainland laborThats been going on for a long time now
costs. Rather than fully abandoning China, major brands
like Apple and Dell use a "China Plus One" strategy,
diversifying final assembly across these three distinct
regional hubs.
Europe's responce is a fart in the bathI'm referring to Europe's response to China's attempt to flood the >>> Euro market.Why Firms Are Leaving ChinaFuck all that matter are and Japan has shown
that it is perfectly possible to handle that
Tariff Pressures: Punitive duties on Chinese electronics,There are no punitive tariffs anymore and it remains
textiles, and components make direct exporting expensive.
to be seen whether congress will pull the plug on
the tariffs once trump is crippled by the midterms
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken fantasysRod's cracking....You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bagYou seriously don't get it, do you?Rising Wages: Chinese factory wages have tripled over theSo much for your previous claim about rich
past decade.
Its always been obvious you have alwaysYou have been running around with your eyes closed, haven't you?Bullshit they are doing anything of the sortSo why is China practically begging for overseas investment?De-risking: Corporations want protection from potentialBut given that china own most of its export manufacturing,
trade blockades, shipping bottlenecks, and political
conflicts.
what foreign corps want is irrelevant
But it remains to be seen if the dems can findTBH, anyone would be better than Vance.But it remains to be seen if the dems canTrump will not always be there.Hub Strengths and SpecializationsBullshit it does
Vietnam: Dominates electronics,
footwear, and apparelIts not a patch on china export wise, particularly
assembly due to competitive wages and fast-growing
industrial clusters, though it often still relies on raw
components imported from China.
with the higher value stuff like vehicles etc
India: Offers massive domestic market scale, a large poolStill the absolute vast bulk is still made in china
of engineering talent, and aggressive government
manufacturing incentives (seen heavily in Apple's
expanding iPhone production).
Mexico: Provides crucial nearshoring advantages for NorthAnd has a massive problem that its much easier for trump
American markets, featuring fast 4-to-8 day overland
transit times to U.S. distribution centers and tariff-free
access via the USMCA trade agreement
to fuck over when he doesn't like what they do about illegals
come up with anyone who will be able to
appeal to the voters more than Vance
So your original claim that the army is not involved was always wrongIt is what the PLA is designed for.In fact, I think the mid terms may impoverish him somewhat.What I said
So your original claim that the army is not involved was always wrongThe entire Chinese army is devoted to internal control, not external >>> conquest, and it has long been thus.Still involved an army response and still doesThat was simply the early signs of the public pushing back.Corse they did with Tianmin SquareActually, they didn't- and that is a huge problem for both the people and the >>>>>>>>> government..Bullshit
No maybe about itMaybe soThe CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace >>>>>>>>>>> is politely declining.So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
but China relies on its demographic dividend to to maintain >>>>>>>>> political stability...Bullshit, they use the army
and what they have kept doing there
What I claimed was unrest amongst the people.And you are seriously trying to claim that Tiananmen wasn't just that ?
You originally stupidly claimed that no one else had seen a demographic implosionWell, we agree on one thing at least.>Ditto for countries like Indonesia.Pity about CONFRONTAZIE
And promised to have two systems and then reneged on thatThe CCP *controls* the HK government. They took HK over, remember?Uselessbut,See above...
with the demographic dividend coming togrief, the army is >>>>>>> increasingly being called in.Bullshit given Tianmin on the increasing
And clearly china is still fucking over attempts
in HongKong to stop the govt driving the bus
Bullshit and that never works anyway asThey are and they are soon about to ramp it up further.Everything always isNote for instance, all the factories in China mysteriously >>>>>>> catching fire.Fantasy
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_7bcc3088-02a0-4bbd-9af9-fa9db4b1d80b >>>>>>> Ever wondered why that happens?
It isnt
I have a fair idea. It is multifaceted.and that is unraveling as I write this.Bullshit
You clearly don'tWe are just going to work out how to handle thatWhen you understand the cause,
Bullshit isOh but it is.Nowhere has imploded to the scale that China is currently doing.>>>>>> China is not imploding demographicallyyou will know the difficulty in doing just that.Plenty have just imploded demographicallty, nothing new about >>>>>>>> that
Why is the CCP desperately trying to get its people to have children, >>>> Because that would make it easier to pay for thingsThey are doing nothing of the sort
lots of children?
south korea and singapore and italy proves
I never did disagree.So you agree that they have in fact had a demographic implosionFor ItalyIt's a complete turnaround from it's position a decade or two back.You don't have a fucking clue about why
But it's too little and it's definitely too late. If you had a clue >>>>> about demographics you would know why.
They are both examples of demographic implosionand you are just plain wrong about the Incas, Italy etcWTF have the Incas and Italy got to do with China?
ItalyrCOs demographic implosionrCooften called its "demographic winter"rCois >>> caused by a combination of chronic job insecurity, low wages, high >>> housing costs, and a lack of support for working mothers. This has >>> driven the fertility rate down to a historic low of 1.14 children per >>> woman, far below the 2.1 required to maintain a stable population.
But look at the causes.Irrelevant to your ignorant claim
You showed me nothingYes, I showed you the *why* of it.For the IncasSo you agree that they have in fact had a demographic implosion
The demographic collapse of the Inca Empire was primarily caused by >>> the introduction of lethal European infectious diseases, such as >>> smallpox, measles, and influenza, against which indigenous Andean >>> populations had no natural immunity. These pathogens swept through >>> South America in the 1520srCoeven preceding direct contact with Spanish >>> conquistadorsrCokilling an estimated 50% to 90% of the population within >>> a century.
Nothing surface skimming about proving thatNope, you proved you're just a surface skimmer.You're not very good at this stuff, are you Rod?You just proved that I am, given I just proved that your stupid
ignorant claim that no one has ever had a demographic
implosion is just another of your stupid ignorant claims
Pity about the OECD and world bankAI OverviewNothing even remotely like Italy'sChinaBullshit it isIt is seeing it *now*.China has not seen mass demographic decline.We are talking about a huge country, not *part* of a country.The entire world has never faced an economic model where the is >>>>>>>>> a mass demographic decline.But parts of it has
China's population is shrinking due to record-low birthrates
and an aging society,Nothing even remotely like Italy's
marking consecutive annual declines driven by economic pressuresBullshit
and the legacy of past family-planning policies.Bullshit they do
They get their figures from the CCP.I believe the IMF, OECD and World Bank figures which say the same >>>> thingIf you believe the CCP figures, yes.Yep, its nothing special at 5%Seen the current unemployment in China?It requires an entirely new economic model.Bullshit given automation
The CCP limits what info gets out.Irrelevant to where the IMF, OECD and World Bank get their's from
Very common practice with tyrannical regimes.Which might just be why the IMF, OECD and World Bank doesn't use them
Bullshit you doAh, but I do.If you don't, and I don't,You have no source for your claim
What's more, I have texts on hand (real books) that provide quite a >>> deal of depth on these topicsBullshit they do on the CURRENT unemployment rate in china
and many others. But I see you are limited to, and by, the internet,>> Wrong, as alwaysNo one denies that there was been a drop in population
so ...
AI Overview
--------------------
China officially acknowledged a historic population drop in early 2023 >>> rCoreporting its first national decline since 1961rCoand subsequent data >>> confirms the trend continues. Decades of the One-Child Policy, rising >>> living costs, and changing social norms have driven fertility rates >>> far below replacement level, leaving Beijing scrambling with economic >>> and societal challenges.
We happen to be discussing right now your stupid ignorant
claim ABOUT THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE
<reams of crap irrelevant to the UNEMPLOYMENT
RATE flushed where it belongs>
So, as a I said, a biased individualNope, he was very much pro China - until recently.it's a different ball game. Recently the CCP *admitted* they had >>>>> miscounted the population by up to 100 million people. It is >>>>> actually much worse than that but the admission is significant. The >>>>> CCP is begrudgingly Ok calling their population at 1.4 Billion.Irrelevant to the IMF, OECD and World Bank figures
While we're at it, Ray Dalio has long been a China hawk. He has >>>>> promoted investment in China like no other. That was until a couple >>>>> of years ago.Just one biased individual
He has woken up!We'll see...
Wrong, as alwaysLike I said, the wrong places. They use data fed to them from the CCP.Bridgewater Associates, the massive hedge fund founded bySays nothing useful about the unemployment rate
Ray Dalio, completely liquidated its entire portfolio of
U.S.-listed Chinese equities. Regulatory filings showed
the fund dumped roughly $1.5 billion in Chinese company
shares, including giants like Alibaba, PDD Holdings,
and Baidu.
The Shift in StrategySays nothing useful about the unemployment rate
Total Liquidation: Bridgewater sold out of all its major
Chinese American Depositary Receipts (ADRs).
Geopolitical & Economic Pressures: The move reflected aSays nothing useful about the unemployment rate
broader pullback due to rising trade tensions, slowing
economic momentum, and shifting market sentiment in China.
Ray DaliorCOs Stance: Though Dalio had long defended investingSays nothing useful about the unemployment rate
in China as a vital part of a diversified portfolio and
famously claimed he was "not a fair-weather investor", the
firm's strategic pivot coincided with his transition away
from daily leadership and board seats at Bridgewater.
You are getting your data from all the wrong placesYeah, IMF, OECD and World Bank are definitely that
The International Monetary Fund (IMF) primarily gets its economic data > on China from official Chinese government agencies, specifically the > National Bureau of Statistics of China (NBS), the People's Bank of China > (PBC), the Ministry of Finance (MOF), and the State Administration of > Foreign Exchange (SAFE).
--- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2Your en masse is just more of your mindless bullshitNot when they are acting en masse in the same general direction - out >>> of China.and you show a distinct inability to read between the lines.I'm not interested in what fools like you ignorantly claim
Look at what people do, not what they say.Not possible with the unemployment rate and what
investors in china do is just their opinion about the
future and they have been completely wrong before
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
-aWrong That's not the reason that the
Philipines isnt self replacing anymore
Why bring the Philippines into it?
-aBecause it is very surprising to many that
the Philipines is not self replacing any more
Not surprising to me.
-aYou are irrelevant
I can't be! You are responding to my posts.
What may or may not surprise you is completely irrelevant
The Philippines had a shortage of *men* some 40 years ago
Bullshit they did
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_1c7f510b-d4ab-4a3a-8db1-2026c2e5f244
and the number of them was clearly
enough to see them pumping out hordes of kids
It was why a lot of Filipinas migrated as overseas brides in the 70s
Bullshit it was. They did that because it was the only way
they could migrate here for the vastly better situation for
them than there was in the Philipines
and-a-a confirmed by a Filipino I was working with in SE Asia.
Pity his claim is bullshit
Same with france after WW1 had ended
Yeah, war has that effect!
That didn't happen with the allies in WW2
Russia and Ukraine will both have a huge demographic imbalances if/
when that country's war ceases.
More mindless bullshit. The fatality rate isnt that high
so what you're seeing is merely a flow on effect of that.
-aBullshit it is
I was *specifically* referring to-a-a *China*.
-aAnd I rubbed your nose in the fact that the
entire modern first and second world isnt
self replacing anymore and that the world
has to work out how to handle that now
That is not new news.
-aIt is for many who still ignorantly hyperventilate
about how we will handle the world population
I won't be particularly concerned.
You are irrelevant
What is new is the speed at which China caught up and is overtaking
the rest of the industrialised worldwith its-a-a demographic decline.
-aThat's not new either given the stupidity of their one child policy
The demographic collapse would have happened, with or without the one
child policy.
Complete and utter pig ignorant bullshit
-aWrong
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_c12d297b-ac98-45ef-
a6c5-34103ef9950a
For many food products it's as much as 80%.
-aWrong
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_c12d297b-ac98-45ef-
a6c5-34103ef9950a
That's a famine in waiting requiring only an epidemic to
trigger it.
-aBullshit
It happened! Don't you look at the news?
-aThere was no FAMINE
Oh, that's-a-a right, they had Covid.
-aThat wasn't a famine
Tell that to the people left starving in their apartments.
That never happened, even with those quite literally
with the door to their flat welded shut by the authoritys
Yeah, right! You go on believing that!
I believe the facts and I know that that never happened
because a mate of mine who worked there for years and
who married one of them and who both reside in Oz who
return to china every year to visit he parents, both of which
are still living there and lots of relos and they did that when
covid was rampant and so did her chinese boss in Oz
My friend will forever remain in China, the *effects* of Covid got him
a few years ago.
Irrelevant to your stupid claim about famine
The causes were the same.
-aBullshit they were with china
and the deliberate misreporting of Covid deaths.
The Japanese got rich before they got old.
-aMust explain the number who are homeless
Stats please.
-ahttps://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_812f8c7b-
e8db-4155-908b-31a6c917e30c
Be careful which stats you believe.
-aGet stuffed
Rod's lost his argument.
-aMore of your bullshit given that I gave you the stats
that prove that you don't have a fucking clue
You gave stats that the CCP gave out.
Nope, I gave the stats that the IMF, OECD and World Bank give out
The reality on the ground is-a-a somewhat different.
My mate's chinese wife's parents and relos know that it isnt
China's food *imports* tell a vastly different story.
-aBullshit they do, You are confusing the import of
food for human consumption with animal food
FFS, the animals eat the grain, then people eat the animals.
-aHardly surprising that china with an immense volume of
exports chooses to take advantage of the much lower cost
of producing animal food in the first world which does that
using very high levels of industrialisation of agriculture and
vast acreage of high intensity agriculture than china can't
get within a bulls roar of doing anything like
Either way-a-a grain is part of the food chain.
But the production of animal food is done
very differently in the first world and china
Huge pig farms in China,
Fed animal feed that china doesn't produce anything
like we do
how is that different to here?
Fed animal feed that china doesn't produce anything
like we do
Except for their-a-a concept of hygiene, it's pretty much the same.
Bullshit it is on the question of how the food for them is produced
Look at the importance of Pork in the Chinese diet and the
devastation of F&MD on pork supplies. If you import a pig food
grain, any interruption to supply affects the final product - pork.
-aNot when its so trivial to store vast quantitys of
animal food for very long times if that is necessary
We use silos, the Chinese were storing their grain surpluses in piles
on the side of the roads.
We do lots of grain storage using piles of grain on
the ground with tarp covers and don't necessarily
bother with tarp covers, most obviously with grain
for animals
Yeah, that's trivial, and ripe for spoilage.
Wrong, as always
And its also true of other chinese imports like coal,
iron ore natural gas, crude oil, all of which china
can't supply itself in adequate volume for its needs
Can you not see the incredible vulnerability that China faces should
world trade be interrupted - like it is with oil in the ME right now?
No vulnerability given the multiple sources of the animal
feed they need and the triviality of storing it and the routes
that animal feed can take if required. They never did import
much animal feed from the ukraine or russia
The Chinese will not get rich before they get old
We'll see how it works out for them
That is in progress *now*.
-aBullshit
Chinese manufacturing is currently based on a low wage workforce.
That hasn't been true for a long time now and
is irrelevant to the wealth of the employers
Throw in rising wages, US tariffs and politicalinstability and
China has a-a-a huge problem.
-aBullshit it does.
-a-a-a Large firms are shifting operations out of China to India,
-a-a-a Vietnam, and Mexico to bypass steep U.S. and EU tariffs,
That has no effect on US and EU tariffs and it remains to be
seen if trump loses control of congress in the mid terms and
congress pulls the plug on his stupid tariffs which are only
12.5% now anyway, a fart in the bath and not enough to see
stuff made in-a china made in the USA instead
-aAnd chinese EV exports prove that there
is nothing for china to worry about
Did I not mention *tariffs*? I am sure I did.
But you ignorantly claimed that that is an important
effect and trump's tariffis apply to all the others you
stupidly claimed are taking over from china on
One aspect of many.
There is no many with tariff given only the USA and EU are
actually stupid enough to still be playing that stupid game
-a-a-a avoid geopolitical risks, and counter rising mainland labor >>>>>> -a-a-a costs. Rather than fully abandoning China, major brands
-a-a-a like Apple and Dell use a "China Plus One" strategy,
-a-a-a diversifying final assembly across these three distinct
-a-a-a regional hubs.
-aThats been going on for a long time now
Accelerated hugely since Covid.
-aBullshit with clothing, shoes, electronics etc
-a-a-a Why Firms Are Leaving China
Fuck all that matter are and Japan has shown
that it is perfectly possible to handle that
-a-a-a Tariff Pressures: Punitive duties on Chinese electronics,
-a-a-a textiles, and components make direct exporting expensive.
There are no punitive tariffs anymore and it remains
to be seen whether congress will pull the plug on
the tariffs once trump is crippled by the midterms
I'm referring to Europe's response to China's attempt to flood the
Euro market.
Europe's responce is a fart in the bath
Maybe but it worries the CCP.
Hardly surprising
-a-a-a Rising Wages: Chinese factory wages have tripled over the
-a-a-a past decade.
-aSo much for your previous claim about rich
You seriously don't get it, do you?
-aYou never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag
Rod's cracking....
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken fantasys
-a-a-a De-risking: Corporations want protection from potential
-a-a-a trade blockades, shipping bottlenecks, and political
-a-a-a conflicts.
-aBut given that china own most of its export manufacturing,
what foreign corps want is irrelevant
So why is China practically begging for overseas investment?
-aBullshit they are doing anything of the sort
You have been running around with your eyes closed, haven't you?
Its always been obvious you have always
have your head right up your fucking arse
-a-a-a Hub Strengths and Specializations
-a-a-a Vietnam: Dominates electronics,
-aBullshit it does
-a-a-a footwear, and apparel
-a-a-a assembly due to competitive wages and fast-growing
-a-a-a industrial clusters, though it often still relies on raw
-a-a-a components imported from China.
-aIts not a patch on china export wise, particularly
with the higher value stuff like vehicles etc
-a-a-a India: Offers massive domestic market scale, a large pool
-a-a-a of engineering talent, and aggressive government
-a-a-a manufacturing incentives (seen heavily in Apple's
-a-a-a expanding iPhone production).
-aStill the absolute vast bulk is still made in china
-a-a-a Mexico: Provides crucial nearshoring advantages for North
-a-a-a American markets, featuring fast 4-to-8 day overland
-a-a-a transit times to U.S. distribution centers and tariff-free
-a-a-a access via the USMCA trade agreement
And has a massive problem that its much easier for trump
to fuck over when he doesn't like what they do about illegals
Trump will not always be there.
-aBut it remains to be seen if the dems can
come up with anyone who will be able to
appeal to the voters more than Vance
TBH, anyone would be better than Vance.
But it remains to be seen if the dems can find
anyone that the voters will agree on that
In fact, I think the mid terms may impoverish him somewhat.
-aWhat I said
- and that is a huge problem for both the people and the
government..
-aBullshit
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace >>>>>>>>>>>> is-a-a politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
Maybe so
No maybe about it
but China relies on its demographic dividend to to maintain >>>>>>>>>> political stability...
-aBullshit, they use the army
Actually, they didn't
Corse they did with Tianmin Square
and what they have kept doing there
That was simply the early signs of the public pushing back.
Still involved an army response and still does
The entire Chinese army is devoted to internal control, not external
conquest, and it has long been thus.
-aSo your original claim that the army is not involved was always wrong
It is what the PLA is designed for.
So your original claim that the army is not involved was always wrong
What I claimed was unrest amongst-a-a the people.
And you are seriously trying to claim that Tiananmen wasn't just that ?
Ditto for countries like Indonesia.
-aPity about CONFRONTAZIE
but,
with the demographic dividend coming togrief, the army is
increasingly being called in.
AI Overview
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a --------------------
China officially acknowledged a historic population drop in early
2023 rCoreporting its first national decline since 1961rCoand subsequent >>>> data confirms the trend continues. Decades of the One-Child Policy,
rising living costs, and changing social norms have driven fertility
rates far below replacement level, leaving Beijing scrambling with
economic and societal challenges.
-aNo one denies that there was been a drop in population
-aWe happen to be discussing right now your stupid ignorant
claim ABOUT THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE
<reams of crap irrelevant to the UNEMPLOYMENT
RATE flushed where it belongs>
it's a different ball game. Recently the CCP *admitted* they had
miscounted the population by up to 100 million people. It is
actually much worse than that but the admission is significant.
The CCP is begrudgingly Ok calling their population at 1.4 Billion.
-aIrrelevant to the IMF, OECD and World Bank figures
While we're at it, Ray Dalio has long been a China hawk. He has
promoted investment in China like no other. That was until a
couple of years ago.
-aJust one biased individual
Nope, he was very much pro China - until recently.
-aSo, as a I said, a biased individual
He has woken up!
-aWe'll see...
-a-a-a Bridgewater Associates, the massive hedge fund founded by
-a-a-a Ray Dalio, completely liquidated its entire portfolio of
-a-a-a U.S.-listed Chinese equities. Regulatory filings showed
-a-a-a the fund dumped roughly $1.5 billion in Chinese company
-a-a-a shares, including giants like Alibaba, PDD Holdings,
-a-a-a and Baidu.
-aSays nothing useful about the unemployment rate
-a-a-a The Shift in Strategy
-a-a-a Total Liquidation: Bridgewater sold out of all its major
-a-a-a Chinese American Depositary Receipts (ADRs).
-aSays nothing useful about the unemployment rate
-a-a-a Geopolitical & Economic Pressures: The move reflected a
-a-a-a broader pullback due to rising trade tensions, slowing
-a-a-a economic momentum, and shifting market sentiment in China.
-aSays nothing useful about the unemployment rate
-a-a-a Ray DaliorCOs Stance: Though Dalio had long defended investing >>>>>> -a-a-a in China as a vital part of a diversified portfolio and
-a-a-a famously claimed he was "not a fair-weather investor", the
-a-a-a firm's strategic pivot coincided with his transition away
-a-a-a from daily leadership and board seats at Bridgewater.
-aSays nothing useful about the unemployment rate
You are getting your data from all the wrong places
-aYeah, IMF, OECD and World Bank are definitely that
Like I said, the wrong places. They use data fed to them from the CCP.
-aWrong, as always
AI Overview
The International Monetary Fund (IMF) primarily gets its economic data
on China from official Chinese government agencies, specifically the
National Bureau of Statistics of China (NBS), the People's Bank of
China (PBC), the Ministry of Finance (MOF), and the State
Administration of Foreign Exchange (SAFE).
Pity about the OECD and world bank
--and you show a distinct inability to read between the lines.
-aI'm not interested in what fools-a like you ignorantly claim
Look at what people do,-a-a not what they say.
-aNot possible with the unemployment rate and what
investors in china do is just their opinion about the
future and they have been completely wrong before
Not when they are acting en masse in the same general direction -
out of China.
-aYour en masse is just more of your mindless bullshit
I'd like to see that! They have *robots* here picking blueberries. That doesn't work well either. Robotics has a long way to go.
On 5/08/2026 2:15 pm, Xeno wrote:
I'd like to see that! They have *robots* here picking blueberries.
That doesn't work well either. Robotics has a long way to go.
According to 4 corners, blueberry picking in the Coffs area is largely
done by what amounts to slave labour.
Rod Speed wroteThere was no such surplus https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_3573da69-bfd7-4921-a4c6-87a9495fe983
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wroteIt was actually that the men in villages went far away to the cities and > OS for work and left a surplus of women in rural areas.
Rod Speed wroteWhat may or may not surprise you is completely irrelevant
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wroteI can't be! You are responding to my posts.
Rod Speed wroteYou are irrelevant
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wroteNot surprising to me.
Rod Speed wroteBecause it is very surprising to many that
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wroteWhy bring the Philippines into it?
Rod Speed wroteWrong That's not the reason that the
Philipines isnt self replacing anymore
the Philipines is not self replacing any more
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_1c7f510b-d4ab-4a3a-8db1-2026c2e5f244>>>> and the number of them was clearlyThe Philippines had a shortage of *men* some 40 years agoBullshit they did
they could migrate here for the vastly better situation forenough to see them pumping out hordes of kidsIt was why a lot of Filipinas migrated as overseas brides in the 70s>> Bullshit it was. They did that because it was the only way
them than there was in the Philipines
In general it was 3 to 1 ratio but up to 7 to 1 in some areas.Just another ignorant fantasy of yours https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_3573da69-bfd7-4921-a4c6-87a9495fe983
Doesn't explain https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_3573da69-bfd7-4921-a4c6-87a9495fe983I suspect his was a *lived experience*,and confirmed by a Filipino I was working with in SE Asia.Pity his claim is bullshit
unlike yours!The census data is what matters, fool https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_3573da69-bfd7-4921-a4c6-87a9495fe983
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_c4163e28-7e2a-41de-bbdb-8c3c5e7c9b9eWhat???>That didn't happen with the allies in WW2Same with france after WW1 had endedYeah, war has that effect!
Russia and Ukraine will both have a huge demographic imbalances if/ >>> when that country's war ceases.More mindless bullshit. The fatality rate isnt that high
Nothing you can do will change the current or future situationAt 74, nothing I can do will change the current or future situationYou are irrelevantI won't be particularly concerned.so what you're seeing is merely a flow on effect of that.Bullshit it is
It is for many who still ignorantly hyperventilateThat is not new news.I was *specifically* referring to *China*.And I rubbed your nose in the fact that the
entire modern first and second world isnt
self replacing anymore and that the world
has to work out how to handle that now
about how we will handle the world population
so, yes, in this case I am indeed irrelevant. And so are you!So is everyone, even the fucking pope, Xi and trump on that question
There has been no demographic collapseAll the one child policy did was make the demographic collapse in China > occur sooner.Complete and utter pig ignorant bullshitThe demographic collapse would have happened, with or without the one >>> child policy.What is new is the speed at which China caught up and is overtaking >>>>> the rest of the industrialised worldwith its demographic decline.That's not new either given the stupidity of their one child policy
It was always going to happen.BULLSHIT
Talk to any demographer!Pity about those hyperventilating about world populattion
He never had a fucking clue about that given theNo, he was my reference to what was going on in China.Irrelevant to your stupid claim about famineMy friend will forever remain in China, the *effects* of Covid got him >>> a few years ago.I believe the facts and I know that that never happenedYeah, right! You go on believing that!That never happened, even with those quite literallyTell that to the people left starving in their apartments.There was no FAMINEIt happened! Don't you look at the news?In fact China imports over 30% of food staples.Wrong
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_c12d297b-ac98-45ef- >>>>>>>>>> a6c5-34103ef9950a
For many food products it's as much as 80%.Wrong
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_c12d297b-ac98-45ef- >>>>>>>>>> a6c5-34103ef9950a
That's a famine in waiting requiring only an epidemic to >>>>>>>>>>> trigger it.Bullshit
Oh, that's right, they had Covid.That wasn't a famine
with the door to their flat welded shut by the authoritys
because a mate of mine who worked there for years and
who married one of them and who both reside in Oz who
return to china every year to visit he parents, both of which
are still living there and lots of relos and they did that when
covid was rampant and so did her chinese boss in Oz
For the reason I rubbed your stupid nose in, we do that FARImported grains for stock feed. China imports large quantities of stock > feed and raw feed ingredients from Australia. Australia supplies > millions of tonnes of feed grains, oilseeds, and processed fodder > annually to support China's massive livestock and dairy industries.Nope, I gave the stats that the IMF, OECD and World Bank give outYou gave stats that the CCP gave out.The causes were the same.Bullshit they were with china
More of your bullshit given that I gave you the statsRod's lost his argument.Get stuffedBe careful which stats you believe.https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_812f8c7b- >>>>>>>> e8db-4155-908b-31a6c917e30cStats please.and the deliberate misreporting of Covid deaths.Must explain the number who are homeless
The Japanese got rich before they got old.
that prove that you don't have a fucking clue
The reality on the ground is somewhat different.My mate's chinese wife's parents and relos know that it isnt
Fed animal feed that china doesn't produce anythingHuge pig farms in China,Hardly surprising that china with an immense volume ofFFS, the animals eat the grain, then people eat the animals.China's food *imports* tell a vastly different story.Bullshit they do, You are confusing the import of
food for human consumption with animal food
exports chooses to take advantage of the much lower cost
of producing animal food in the first world which does that
using very high levels of industrialisation of agriculture and
vast acreage of high intensity agriculture than china can't
get within a bulls roar of doing anything like
Either way grain is part of the food chain.But the production of animal food is done
very differently in the first world and china
like we do
They even impot varieties from places like India.Fuck all in comparison
Corse it is, they don't do animal food production anything like we doIt is not.how is that different to here?Fed animal feed that china doesn't produce anything
like we do
Except for their concept of hygiene, it's pretty much the same.Bullshit it is on the question of how the food for them is produced
Bullshit and given we are the producers, we don't need long termNot a good idea for long term storage.We do lots of grain storage using piles of grain onWe use silos, the Chinese were storing their grain surpluses in piles >>> on the side of the roads.Look at the importance of Pork in the Chinese diet and the >>>>> devastation of F&MD on pork supplies. If you import a pig food >>>>> grain, any interruption to supply affects the final product - pork.Not when its so trivial to store vast quantitys of
animal food for very long times if that is necessary
the ground with tarp covers and don't necessarily
bother with tarp covers, most obviously with grain
for animals
And there are multiple sources of the animalFarms need fuel.Yeah, that's trivial, and ripe for spoilage.Wrong, as always
No vulnerability given the multiple sources of the animalAnd its also true of other chinese imports like coal,Can you not see the incredible vulnerability that China faces should >>> world trade be interrupted - like it is with oil in the ME right now?
iron ore natural gas, crude oil, all of which china
can't supply itself in adequate volume for its needs
feed they need and the triviality of storing it and the routes
that animal feed can take if required. They never did import
much animal feed from the ukraine or russia
Farms need fertilizer.Chinese farms don't when they import the animal feed
Think about the primary sources of those, then think about the flow of > them to China and the potential chokepoints. Beyond the Strait of Hormuz > that is.There are no choke points for animal feed for china
12.5% tariffs do nothing of the sortTariffs are used to control (limit) imports.There is no many with tariff given only the USA and EU areOne aspect of many.But you ignorantly claimed that that is an importantDid I not mention *tariffs*? I am sure I did.is irrelevant to the wealth of the employersChinese manufacturing is currently based on a low wage workforce. >>>>>> That hasn't been true for a long time now andBullshitThat is in progress *now*.The Chinese will not get rich before they get oldWe'll see how it works out for them
Throw in rising wages, US tariffs and politicalinstability and >>>>>>> China has a huge problem.Bullshit it does.
Large firms are shifting operations out of China to India,That has no effect on US and EU tariffs and it remains to be
Vietnam, and Mexico to bypass steep U.S. and EU tariffs,
seen if trump loses control of congress in the mid terms and
congress pulls the plug on his stupid tariffs which are only
12.5% now anyway, a fart in the bath and not enough to see
stuff made in china made in the USA instead
And chinese EV exports prove that there
is nothing for china to worry about
effect and trump's tariffis apply to all the others you
stupidly claimed are taking over from china on
actually stupid enough to still be playing that stupid game
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken fantasysProof supplied!Hardly surprisingMaybe but it worries the CCP.Bullshit with clothing, shoes, electronics etcAccelerated hugely since Covid.avoid geopolitical risks, and counter rising mainland laborThats been going on for a long time now
costs. Rather than fully abandoning China, major brands
like Apple and Dell use a "China Plus One" strategy,
diversifying final assembly across these three distinct
regional hubs.
Europe's responce is a fart in the bathI'm referring to Europe's response to China's attempt to flood the >>>>> Euro market.Why Firms Are Leaving ChinaFuck all that matter are and Japan has shown
that it is perfectly possible to handle that
Tariff Pressures: Punitive duties on Chinese electronics,There are no punitive tariffs anymore and it remains
textiles, and components make direct exporting expensive.
to be seen whether congress will pull the plug on
the tariffs once trump is crippled by the midterms
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken fantasysRod's cracking....You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bagYou seriously don't get it, do you?Rising Wages: Chinese factory wages have tripled over theSo much for your previous claim about rich
past decade.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken fantasysProof supplied.Its always been obvious you have alwaysYou have been running around with your eyes closed, haven't you?Bullshit they are doing anything of the sortSo why is China practically begging for overseas investment?De-risking: Corporations want protection from potentialBut given that china own most of its export manufacturing,
trade blockades, shipping bottlenecks, and political
conflicts.
what foreign corps want is irrelevant
have your head right up your fucking arse
We'll see if the dems can come up with anyone thatI think the voting public are warming to the idea that Vance is a clown.But it remains to be seen if the dems can findTBH, anyone would be better than Vance.But it remains to be seen if the dems canTrump will not always be there.Hub Strengths and SpecializationsBullshit it does
Vietnam: Dominates electronics,
footwear, and apparelIts not a patch on china export wise, particularly
assembly due to competitive wages and fast-growing
industrial clusters, though it often still relies on raw
components imported from China.
with the higher value stuff like vehicles etc
India: Offers massive domestic market scale, a large poolStill the absolute vast bulk is still made in china
of engineering talent, and aggressive government
manufacturing incentives (seen heavily in Apple's
expanding iPhone production).
Mexico: Provides crucial nearshoring advantages for NorthAnd has a massive problem that its much easier for trump
American markets, featuring fast 4-to-8 day overland
transit times to U.S. distribution centers and tariff-free
access via the USMCA trade agreement
to fuck over when he doesn't like what they do about illegals
come up with anyone who will be able to
appeal to the voters more than Vance
anyone that the voters will agree on that
Not originally you didn'tI'm saying it was!So your original claim that the army is not involved was always wrongIt is what the PLA is designed for.In fact, I think the mid terms may impoverish him somewhat.What I said
So your original claim that the army is not involved was always wrongThe entire Chinese army is devoted to internal control, not external >>>>> conquest, and it has long been thus.Still involved an army response and still doesThat was simply the early signs of the public pushing back.Corse they did with Tianmin SquareActually, they didn't- and that is a huge problem for both the people and the >>>>>>>>>>> government..Bullshit
No maybe about itMaybe soThe CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace >>>>>>>>>>>>> is politely declining.So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
but China relies on its demographic dividend to to maintain >>>>>>>>>>> political stability...Bullshit, they use the army
and what they have kept doing there
What I claimed was unrest amongst the people.And you are seriously trying to claim that Tiananmen wasn't just that ?
Wrong, as alwaysSame source - the CCP.Pity about the OECD and world bankAI OverviewDitto for countries like Indonesia.Pity about CONFRONTAZIE
No one denies that there was been a drop in populationAI Overviewbut,
with the demographic dividend coming togrief, the army is >>>>>>>>> increasingly being called in.
--------------------
China officially acknowledged a historic population drop in early >>>>> 2023 rCoreporting its first national decline since 1961rCoand subsequent >>>>> data confirms the trend continues. Decades of the One-Child Policy, >>>>> rising living costs, and changing social norms have driven fertility >>>>> rates far below replacement level, leaving Beijing scrambling with >>>>> economic and societal challenges.
We happen to be discussing right now your stupid ignorant
claim ABOUT THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE
<reams of crap irrelevant to the UNEMPLOYMENT
RATE flushed where it belongs>
So, as a I said, a biased individualNope, he was very much pro China - until recently.it's a different ball game. Recently the CCP *admitted* they had >>>>>>> miscounted the population by up to 100 million people. It is >>>>>>> actually much worse than that but the admission is significant. >>>>>>> The CCP is begrudgingly Ok calling their population at 1.4 Billion.Irrelevant to the IMF, OECD and World Bank figures
While we're at it, Ray Dalio has long been a China hawk. He has >>>>>>> promoted investment in China like no other. That was until a >>>>>>> couple of years ago.Just one biased individual
He has woken up!We'll see...
Wrong, as alwaysLike I said, the wrong places. They use data fed to them from the >>>>> CCP.Bridgewater Associates, the massive hedge fund founded bySays nothing useful about the unemployment rate
Ray Dalio, completely liquidated its entire portfolio of
U.S.-listed Chinese equities. Regulatory filings showed
the fund dumped roughly $1.5 billion in Chinese company
shares, including giants like Alibaba, PDD Holdings,
and Baidu.
The Shift in StrategySays nothing useful about the unemployment rate
Total Liquidation: Bridgewater sold out of all its major
Chinese American Depositary Receipts (ADRs).
Geopolitical & Economic Pressures: The move reflected aSays nothing useful about the unemployment rate
broader pullback due to rising trade tensions, slowing
economic momentum, and shifting market sentiment in China.
Ray DaliorCOs Stance: Though Dalio had long defended investing >>>>>>> in China as a vital part of a diversified portfolio andSays nothing useful about the unemployment rate
famously claimed he was "not a fair-weather investor", the
firm's strategic pivot coincided with his transition away
from daily leadership and board seats at Bridgewater.
You are getting your data from all the wrong placesYeah, IMF, OECD and World Bank are definitely that
The International Monetary Fund (IMF) primarily gets its economic data >>> on China from official Chinese government agencies, specifically the >>> National Bureau of Statistics of China (NBS), the People's Bank of >>> China (PBC), the Ministry of Finance (MOF), and the State >>> Administration of Foreign Exchange (SAFE).
--- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2Your en masse is just more of your mindless bullshitNot when they are acting en masse in the same general direction - >>>>> out of China.and you show a distinct inability to read between the lines.I'm not interested in what fools like you ignorantly claim
Look at what people do, not what they say.Not possible with the unemployment rate and what
investors in china do is just their opinion about the
future and they have been completely wrong before
Keithr0 wrote
Xeno wrote
I'd like to see that! They have *robots* here picking blueberries.
That doesn't work well either. Robotics has a long way to go.
According to 4 corners, blueberry picking in the Coffs area is largely
done by what amounts to slave labour.
A situation not unique to blueberries I might point out.
Also, it depends on the farm. My wife has never worked that way, it is mostly the *contractors* who are ripping off the farmers and the pickers.
But then, until she recently became ill, she always worked on an--- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
hourly rate which was, at a minimumm, the minimum hourly rate. That is somewhere around $30 per hour currently. In the off season she
occasionally worked for a kilo rate on raspberries and other crops.
Since she was a gun picker, she always earnt well.
Was talking to her old boss' wife just yesterday - they are going back
to bananas since too many farmers have flooded the market and driven the blueberry price down below cost. Might add this farm mostly employed
local at award hourly rates with tax and super paid. Only used
contractors when not enough locals were available.
Since the farm is going to pull the berry bushes, we were invited to
pick as many berries as we wanted to take home. Got a heap of berries in 3kg buckets here at the moment. Our friend from Melbourne who was
visiting us took a heap back to Melbourne.
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the shortage >>>> of kids.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is
politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
We are just going to work out how to handle that
Robotics of course. Soon they'll' having them picking oranges.
They already do but don't have them wiping geriatric and little
kids arses, feeding either, changing their nappys, shearing
sheep, keeping crims in jail. making pizzas etc
On 5/8/2026 1:25 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2026 17:59:05 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the shortage of >>>> kids.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is politely >>>> declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
We are just going to work out how to handle that
Robotics of course. Soon they'll' having them picking oranges.
I'd like to see that! They have *robots* here picking blueberries. That >doesn't work well either. Robotics has a long way to go.
On 5/8/2026 10:13 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 5/08/2026 2:15 pm, Xeno wrote:A situation not unique to blueberries I might point out. Also, it
I'd like to see that! They have *robots* here picking blueberries.
That doesn't work well either. Robotics has a long way to go.
According to 4 corners, blueberry picking in the Coffs area is largely
done by what amounts to slave labour.
depends on the farm. My wife has never worked that way, it is mostly the >*contractors* who are ripping off the farmers and the pickers. But then, >until she recently became ill, she always worked on an hourly rate which >was, at a minimumm, the minimum hourly rate. That is somewhere around
$30 per hour currently. In the off season she occasionally worked for a
kilo rate on raspberries and other crops. Since she was a gun picker,
she always earnt well.
Was talking to her old boss' wife just yesterday - they are going back
to bananas since too many farmers have flooded the market and driven the >blueberry price down below cost. Might add this farm mostly employed
local at award hourly rates with tax and super paid. Only used
contractors when not enough locals were available.
Since the farm is going to pull the berry bushes, we were invited to
pick as many berries as we wanted to take home. Got a heap of berries in
3kg buckets here at the moment. Our friend from Melbourne who was
visiting us took a heap back to Melbourne.
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the shortage >>>>> of kids.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is
politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
We are just going to work out how to handle that
Robotics of course. Soon they'll' having them picking oranges.
They already do but don't have them wiping geriatric and little
kids arses, feeding either, changing their nappys, shearing
sheep, keeping crims in jail. making pizzas etc
One worker in the geriatric business said lifting devices, slings etc
are commonplace now.
Home care is popular
and soon end-of-life decisions will be made by the principal.
On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 22:55:42 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 5/8/2026 10:13 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 5/08/2026 2:15 pm, Xeno wrote:A situation not unique to blueberries I might point out. Also, it
I'd like to see that! They have *robots* here picking blueberries.
That doesn't work well either. Robotics has a long way to go.
According to 4 corners, blueberry picking in the Coffs area is largely
done by what amounts to slave labour.
depends on the farm. My wife has never worked that way, it is mostly the
*contractors* who are ripping off the farmers and the pickers. But then,
until she recently became ill, she always worked on an hourly rate which
was, at a minimumm, the minimum hourly rate. That is somewhere around
$30 per hour currently. In the off season she occasionally worked for a
kilo rate on raspberries and other crops. Since she was a gun picker,
she always earnt well.
Was talking to her old boss' wife just yesterday - they are going back
to bananas since too many farmers have flooded the market and driven the
blueberry price down below cost. Might add this farm mostly employed
local at award hourly rates with tax and super paid. Only used
contractors when not enough locals were available.
Since the farm is going to pull the berry bushes, we were invited to
pick as many berries as we wanted to take home. Got a heap of berries in
3kg buckets here at the moment. Our friend from Melbourne who was
visiting us took a heap back to Melbourne.
My niece has a blueberry farm, and they use traveling hippies for
harvesting.
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops- >>>>>>>> selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the shortage >>>>>> of kids.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is
politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
We are just going to work out how to handle that
Robotics of course.-a-a Soon they'll' having them picking oranges.
They already do but don't have them wiping geriatric and little
kids arses, feeding either, changing their nappys, shearing
sheep, keeping crims in jail. making pizzas etc
One worker in the geriatric business said lifting devices, slings etc
are commonplace now.
But still no robotics feeding the geriatrics,
wiping their arses and changing their
nappys or even doing their haircuts
--Home care is popular
None of that is done by robotics
and soon end-of-life-a-a decisions will be made by the principal.
Bullshit
Peter Jason wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Keithr0 wrote
Xeno wrote
I'd like to see that! They have *robots* here picking blueberries.
That doesn't work well either. Robotics has a long way to go.
According to 4 corners, blueberry picking in the Coffs area is largely >>>> done by what amounts to slave labour.
A situation not unique to blueberries I might point out. Also, it
depends on the farm. My wife has never worked that way, it is mostly
the
*contractors* who are ripping off the farmers and the pickers. But
then,
until she recently became ill, she always worked on an hourly rate
which
was, at a minimumm, the minimum hourly rate. That is somewhere around
$30 per hour currently. In the off season she occasionally worked for a
kilo rate on raspberries and other crops. Since she was a gun picker,
she always earnt well.
Was talking to her old boss' wife just yesterday - they are going back
to bananas since too many farmers have flooded the market and driven
the
blueberry price down below cost. Might add this farm mostly employed
local at award hourly rates with tax and super paid. Only used
contractors when not enough locals were available.
Since the farm is going to pull the berry bushes, we were invited to
pick as many berries as we wanted to take home. Got a heap of berries
in
3kg buckets here at the moment. Our friend from Melbourne who was
visiting us took a heap back to Melbourne.
My niece has a blueberry farm, and they use traveling hippies for
harvesting.
At peak season, do you know how many pickers a typical *small* blueberry farm can use? Where my wife worked, actually two small farms with one owner, there could be up to 100 pickers with maybe 10 of those on semi-permanent hire. Depending on the type of berries grown, the season
can be short and intense. That's when you need the 100 pickers. Either
side of that intense season, 10 or so pickers are sufficient to get the early and late fruit. In general, there are no longer sufficient
traveling hippies to do the work. What is used now are backpackers, OS backpackers on working holiday visas (most common), contractors and, recently, an islander labour force. I have often been out in the
blueberry fields and have yet to see anyone identifiable as a *hippie*.
In fact, most of the time you can play *spot the skip* out there since
most pickers are foreigners. If immigration stops, so will a lot of
fruit picking because Aussies won't do it, that I can guarantee you.
On 6/8/2026 7:03 am, Peter Jason wrote:
On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 22:55:42 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 5/8/2026 10:13 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
On 5/08/2026 2:15 pm, Xeno wrote:A situation not unique to blueberries I might point out. Also, it
I'd like to see that! They have *robots* here picking blueberries.
That doesn't work well either. Robotics has a long way to go.
According to 4 corners, blueberry picking in the Coffs area is largely >>>> done by what amounts to slave labour.
depends on the farm. My wife has never worked that way, it is mostly the >>> *contractors* who are ripping off the farmers and the pickers. But then, >>> until she recently became ill, she always worked on an hourly rate which >>> was, at a minimumm, the minimum hourly rate. That is somewhere around
$30 per hour currently. In the off season she occasionally worked for a
kilo rate on raspberries and other crops. Since she was a gun picker,
she always earnt well.
Was talking to her old boss' wife just yesterday - they are going back
to bananas since too many farmers have flooded the market and driven the >>> blueberry price down below cost. Might add this farm mostly employed
local at award hourly rates with tax and super paid. Only used
contractors when not enough locals were available.
Since the farm is going to pull the berry bushes, we were invited to
pick as many berries as we wanted to take home. Got a heap of berries in >>> 3kg buckets here at the moment. Our friend from Melbourne who was
visiting us took a heap back to Melbourne.
My niece has a blueberry farm, and they use traveling hippies for
harvesting.
At peak season, do you know how many pickers a typical *small* blueberry >farm can use? Where my wife worked, actually two small farms with one
owner, there could be up to 100 pickers with maybe 10 of those on >semi-permanent hire. Depending on the type of berries grown, the season
can be short and intense. That's when you need the 100 pickers. Either
side of that intense season, 10 or so pickers are sufficient to get the >early and late fruit. In general, there are no longer sufficient
traveling hippies to do the work. What is used now are backpackers, OS >backpackers on working holiday visas (most common), contractors and, >recently, an islander labour force. I have often been out in the
blueberry fields and have yet to see anyone identifiable as a *hippie*.
In fact, most of the time you can play *spot the skip* out there since
most pickers are foreigners. If immigration stops, so will a lot of
fruit picking because Aussies won't do it, that I can guarantee you.
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the shortage >>>>>> of kids.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is
politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
We are just going to work out how to handle that
Robotics of course. Soon they'll' having them picking oranges.
They already do but don't have them wiping geriatric and little
kids arses, feeding either, changing their nappys, shearing
sheep, keeping crims in jail. making pizzas etc
One worker in the geriatric business said lifting devices, slings etc
are commonplace now.
But still no robotics feeding the geriatrics,
wiping their arses and changing their
nappys or even doing their haircuts
Home care is popular
None of that is done by robotics
and soon end-of-life decisions will be made by the principal.
Bullshit
Rod Speed wrote
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops- >>>>>>>>> selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the
shortage of kids.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is
politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
We are just going to work out how to handle that
Robotics of course. Soon they'll' having them picking oranges.
They already do but don't have them wiping geriatric and little
kids arses, feeding either, changing their nappys, shearing
sheep, keeping crims in jail. making pizzas etc
One worker in the geriatric business said lifting devices, slings etc
are commonplace now.
But still no robotics feeding the geriatrics,
wiping their arses and changing their
nappys or even doing their haircuts
One of the larger farms here invested quite a bit of money into a
blueberry picking machine. It was expensive, the actual cost escapes me after all these years. If you believed the blurb, the pickers would all
be out of work. Well, the farmer soon discovered that human pickers
could adjust their picking to suit the crop. The machine could not and
it picked the berries quite roughly and included twigs and heavily
damaged fruit. The upshot was that machine picked berries were suitable only for juicing. Human pickers can discriminate between berries and
twigs, can pick gently enough so as not to tear the fruit, and identify such defects as grubs, mould and the like. I won't see fully automated berry picking in my lifetime.
--- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2Home care is popular
None of that is done by robotics
and soon end-of-life decisions will be made by the principal.
Bullshit
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the
shortage of kids.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is
politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
We are just going to work out how to handle that
Robotics of course. Soon they'll' having them picking oranges.
They already do but don't have them wiping geriatric and little
kids arses, feeding either, changing their nappys, shearing
sheep, keeping crims in jail. making pizzas etc
One worker in the geriatric business said lifting devices, slings etc
are commonplace now.
But still no robotics feeding the geriatrics,
wiping their arses and changing their
nappys or even doing their haircuts
Home care is popular
None of that is done by robotics
and soon end-of-life decisions will be made by the principal.
Bullshit
I fear it's not bullshit.
There is a trend to soften the law regarding end-of-life choices,
driven by the vast number of aging boomers,
and the increasing numbers who do-it-yourself exit with pills
and helium bags.
Even helium cylinders are scarce now.
So, Rod, better stock up; you don't want to end up in care.
Do it yesterday!--- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
On Thu, 06 Aug 2026 07:21:06 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the shortage >>>>>>> of kids.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is
politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
We are just going to work out how to handle that
Robotics of course. Soon they'll' having them picking oranges.
They already do but don't have them wiping geriatric and little
kids arses, feeding either, changing their nappys, shearing
sheep, keeping crims in jail. making pizzas etc
One worker in the geriatric business said lifting devices, slings etc
are commonplace now.
But still no robotics feeding the geriatrics,
wiping their arses and changing their
nappys or even doing their haircuts
Home care is popular
None of that is done by robotics
and soon end-of-life decisions will be made by the principal.
Bullshit
I fear it's not bullshit. There is a trend to soften the law
regarding end-of-life choices, driven by the vast number of aging
boomers, and the increasing numbers who do-it-yourself exit with pills
and helium bags. Even helium cylinders are scarce now. So, Rod,
better stock up; you don't want to end up in care. Do it yesterday!
On 6/8/2026 2:08 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2026 07:21:06 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the shortage >>>>>>>> of kids.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is
politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
We are just going to work out how to handle that
Robotics of course. Soon they'll' having them picking oranges.
They already do but don't have them wiping geriatric and little
kids arses, feeding either, changing their nappys, shearing
sheep, keeping crims in jail. making pizzas etc
One worker in the geriatric business said lifting devices, slings etc
are commonplace now.
But still no robotics feeding the geriatrics,
wiping their arses and changing their
nappys or even doing their haircuts
Home care is popular
None of that is done by robotics
and soon end-of-life decisions will be made by the principal.
Bullshit
I fear it's not bullshit. There is a trend to soften the law
regarding end-of-life choices, driven by the vast number of aging
boomers, and the increasing numbers who do-it-yourself exit with pills
and helium bags. Even helium cylinders are scarce now. So, Rod,
better stock up; you don't want to end up in care. Do it yesterday!
You cannot off yourself with helium sourced *in Australia*. It isn't
*pure* enough to be used for that. And that is deliberate by *regulation*.
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wroteYet they do. They dispatch the worst suffering cases with
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the >>>>>>>> shortage of kids.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is
politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
We are just going to work out how to handle that
Robotics of course. Soon they'll' having them picking oranges.
They already do but don't have them wiping geriatric and little
kids arses, feeding either, changing their nappys, shearing
sheep, keeping crims in jail. making pizzas etc
One worker in the geriatric business said lifting devices, slings etc
are commonplace now.
But still no robotics feeding the geriatrics,
wiping their arses and changing their
nappys or even doing their haircuts
Home care is popular
None of that is done by robotics
and soon end-of-life decisions will be made by the principal.
Bullshit
I fear it's not bullshit.
We don't even allow medical personnel to make those decisions
I have to inform you that death is quite inevitable.There is a trend to soften the law regarding end-of-life choices,
Only now allowing assisted dying in some very
restrictive situations like when death is inevitable
They vote.driven by the vast number of aging boomers,
Nothing to do with that
and the increasing numbers who do-it-yourself exit with pills
and helium bags.
That's not robotics
Messy, and hard on the family.Even helium cylinders are scarce now.
But plenty of other perfectly viable ways to
kill yourself like a small engine, generator
etc and rope and stuff like that isn't
Quality is suspect.So, Rod, better stock up; you don't want to end up in care.
Even easier to buy that stuff on the net than it has ever been
--- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2Do it yesterday!
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 15:20:36 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 6/8/2026 2:08 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2026 07:21:06 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the shortage >>>>>>>>> of kids.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is >>>>>>>>> politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
We are just going to work out how to handle that
Robotics of course. Soon they'll' having them picking oranges.
They already do but don't have them wiping geriatric and little
kids arses, feeding either, changing their nappys, shearing
sheep, keeping crims in jail. making pizzas etc
One worker in the geriatric business said lifting devices, slings etc >>>>> are commonplace now.
But still no robotics feeding the geriatrics,
wiping their arses and changing their
nappys or even doing their haircuts
Home care is popular
None of that is done by robotics
and soon end-of-life decisions will be made by the principal.
Bullshit
I fear it's not bullshit. There is a trend to soften the law
regarding end-of-life choices, driven by the vast number of aging
boomers, and the increasing numbers who do-it-yourself exit with pills
and helium bags. Even helium cylinders are scarce now. So, Rod,
better stock up; you don't want to end up in care. Do it yesterday!
You cannot off yourself with helium sourced *in Australia*. It isn't
*pure* enough to be used for that. And that is deliberate by *regulation*.
That must be recent then. I know of a case about 10 years' ago where
a cancer sufferer used just that method. A very quick & painless
method.
https://pure.uva.nl/ws/files/100876552/Chapter_3.pdf
Anyway, how are the kiddies going to fill their party balloons?
On Thu, 06 Aug 2026 14:52:23 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wroteYet they do. They dispatch the worst suffering cases with
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the >>>>>>>>> shortage of kids.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is >>>>>>>>> politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
We are just going to work out how to handle that
Robotics of course. Soon they'll' having them picking oranges.
They already do but don't have them wiping geriatric and little
kids arses, feeding either, changing their nappys, shearing
sheep, keeping crims in jail. making pizzas etc
One worker in the geriatric business said lifting devices, slings etc >>>>> are commonplace now.
But still no robotics feeding the geriatrics,
wiping their arses and changing their
nappys or even doing their haircuts
Home care is popular
None of that is done by robotics
and soon end-of-life decisions will be made by the principal.
Bullshit
I fear it's not bullshit.
We don't even allow medical personnel to make those decisions
pentothal/morphine mix.
I have to inform you that death is quite inevitable.
There is a trend to soften the law regarding end-of-life choices,
Only now allowing assisted dying in some very
restrictive situations like when death is inevitable
--They vote.
driven by the vast number of aging boomers,
Nothing to do with that
and the increasing numbers who do-it-yourself exit with pills
and helium bags.
That's not robotics
Messy, and hard on the family.
Even helium cylinders are scarce now.
But plenty of other perfectly viable ways to
kill yourself like a small engine, generator
etc and rope and stuff like that isn't
Quality is suspect.
So, Rod, better stock up; you don't want to end up in care.
Even easier to buy that stuff on the net than it has ever been
Do it yesterday!
On 6/8/2026 2:08 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2026 07:21:06 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wroteI fear it's not bullshit. There is a trend to soften the law
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the >>>>>>>> shortage
of kids.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is
politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
We are just going to work out how to handle that
Robotics of course. Soon they'll' having them picking oranges.
They already do but don't have them wiping geriatric and little
kids arses, feeding either, changing their nappys, shearing
sheep, keeping crims in jail. making pizzas etc
One worker in the geriatric business said lifting devices, slings etc
are commonplace now.
But still no robotics feeding the geriatrics,
wiping their arses and changing their
nappys or even doing their haircuts
Home care is popular
None of that is done by robotics
and soon end-of-life decisions will be made by the principal.
Bullshit
regarding end-of-life choices, driven by the vast number of aging
boomers, and the increasing numbers who do-it-yourself exit with pills
and helium bags. Even helium cylinders are scarce now. So, Rod,
better stock up; you don't want to end up in care. Do it yesterday!
You cannot off yourself with helium sourced *in Australia*. It isn't
*pure* enough to be used for that. And that is deliberate by
*regulation*.
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 15:20:36 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 6/8/2026 2:08 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2026 07:21:06 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the >>>>>>>>> shortage
of kids.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is >>>>>>>>> politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
We are just going to work out how to handle that
Robotics of course. Soon they'll' having them picking oranges.
They already do but don't have them wiping geriatric and little
kids arses, feeding either, changing their nappys, shearing
sheep, keeping crims in jail. making pizzas etc
One worker in the geriatric business said lifting devices, slings etc >>>>> are commonplace now.
But still no robotics feeding the geriatrics,
wiping their arses and changing their
nappys or even doing their haircuts
Home care is popular
None of that is done by robotics
and soon end-of-life decisions will be made by the principal.
Bullshit
I fear it's not bullshit. There is a trend to soften the law
regarding end-of-life choices, driven by the vast number of aging
boomers, and the increasing numbers who do-it-yourself exit with pills
and helium bags. Even helium cylinders are scarce now. So, Rod,
better stock up; you don't want to end up in care. Do it yesterday!
You cannot off yourself with helium sourced *in Australia*. It isn't
*pure* enough to be used for that. And that is deliberate by
*regulation*.
That must be recent then.
I know of a case about 10 years' ago where
a cancer sufferer used just that method. A very quick & painless
method.
https://pure.uva.nl/ws/files/100876552/Chapter_3.pdf
Anyway, how are the kiddies going to fill their party balloons?
On Thu, 06 Aug 2026 14:52:23 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the >>>>>>>>> shortage of kids.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is >>>>>>>>> politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
We are just going to work out how to handle that
Robotics of course. Soon they'll' having them picking oranges.
They already do but don't have them wiping geriatric and little
kids arses, feeding either, changing their nappys, shearing
sheep, keeping crims in jail. making pizzas etc
One worker in the geriatric business said lifting devices, slings etc >>>>> are commonplace now.
But still no robotics feeding the geriatrics,
wiping their arses and changing their
nappys or even doing their haircuts
Home care is popular
None of that is done by robotics
and soon end-of-life decisions will be made by the principal.
Bullshit
I fear it's not bullshit.
We don't even allow medical personnel to make those decisions
Yet they do. They dispatch the worst suffering cases with
pentothal/morphine mix.
There is a trend to soften the law regarding end-of-life choices,
Only now allowing assisted dying in some very
restrictive situations like when death is inevitable
I have to inform you that death is quite inevitable.
driven by the vast number of aging boomers,
Nothing to do with that
They vote.
and the increasing numbers who do-it-yourself exit with pills
and helium bags.
That's not robotics
Even helium cylinders are scarce now.
But plenty of other perfectly viable ways to
kill yourself like a small engine, generator
etc and rope and stuff like that isn't
Messy, and hard on the family.
So, Rod, better stock up; you don't want to end up in care.
Even easier to buy that stuff on the net than it has ever been
Quality is suspect.
--- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2Do it yesterday!
On 6/8/2026 3:58 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 15:20:36 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
That must be recent then. I know of a case about 10 years' ago where
On 6/8/2026 2:08 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2026 07:21:06 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the >>>>>>>>>> shortage
of kids.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is >>>>>>>>>> politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
We are just going to work out how to handle that
Robotics of course. Soon they'll' having them picking oranges.
They already do but don't have them wiping geriatric and little
kids arses, feeding either, changing their nappys, shearing
sheep, keeping crims in jail. making pizzas etc
One worker in the geriatric business said lifting devices, slings >>>>>> etc
are commonplace now.
But still no robotics feeding the geriatrics,
wiping their arses and changing their
nappys or even doing their haircuts
Home care is popular
None of that is done by robotics
and soon end-of-life decisions will be made by the principal.
Bullshit
I fear it's not bullshit. There is a trend to soften the law
regarding end-of-life choices, driven by the vast number of aging
boomers, and the increasing numbers who do-it-yourself exit with pills >>>> and helium bags. Even helium cylinders are scarce now. So, Rod,
better stock up; you don't want to end up in care. Do it yesterday!
You cannot off yourself with helium sourced *in Australia*. It isn't
*pure* enough to be used for that. And that is deliberate by
*regulation*.
a cancer sufferer used just that method. A very quick & painless
method.
https://pure.uva.nl/ws/files/100876552/Chapter_3.pdf
Anyway, how are the kiddies going to fill their party balloons?
What is your preference, helium that prevents suicides or helium that is
a little less floaty for balloons. The helium still works in balloons,
just not as well.
https://www.productsafety.gov.au/business/search-mandatory-standards/non-refillable-helium-cylinders-mandatory-standard
The regulations came into force in 2023 but pure helium has been
difficult to get in this country for something of the order of 10 years now. For your kid's balloons, that's it. Medical grade helium might be a different matter.
On 6/8/2026 3:58 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 15:20:36 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
That must be recent then. I know of a case about 10 years' ago where
On 6/8/2026 2:08 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2026 07:21:06 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made
And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the shortage
of kids.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is >>>>>>>>>> politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
We are just going to work out how to handle that
Robotics of course. Soon they'll' having them picking oranges.
They already do but don't have them wiping geriatric and little
kids arses, feeding either, changing their nappys, shearing
sheep, keeping crims in jail. making pizzas etc
One worker in the geriatric business said lifting devices, slings etc >>>>>> are commonplace now.
But still no robotics feeding the geriatrics,
wiping their arses and changing their
nappys or even doing their haircuts
Home care is popular
None of that is done by robotics
and soon end-of-life decisions will be made by the principal.
Bullshit
I fear it's not bullshit. There is a trend to soften the law
regarding end-of-life choices, driven by the vast number of aging
boomers, and the increasing numbers who do-it-yourself exit with pills >>>> and helium bags. Even helium cylinders are scarce now. So, Rod,
better stock up; you don't want to end up in care. Do it yesterday!
You cannot off yourself with helium sourced *in Australia*. It isn't
*pure* enough to be used for that. And that is deliberate by *regulation*. >>
a cancer sufferer used just that method. A very quick & painless
method.
https://pure.uva.nl/ws/files/100876552/Chapter_3.pdf
Anyway, how are the kiddies going to fill their party balloons?
What is your preference, helium that prevents suicides or helium that is
a little less floaty for balloons. The helium still works in balloons,
just not as well.
https://www.productsafety.gov.au/business/search-mandatory-standards/non-refillable-helium-cylinders-mandatory-standard
The regulations came into force in 2023 but pure helium has been
difficult to get in this country for something of the order of 10 years
now. For your kid's balloons, that's it. Medical grade helium might be a >different matter.
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 16:07:21 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 6/8/2026 3:58 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 15:20:36 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 6/8/2026 2:08 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2026 07:21:06 +1000, "Rod Speed"You cannot off yourself with helium sourced *in Australia*. It isn't
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made >>>>>>And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the >>>>>>>>>>> shortage
of kids.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is >>>>>>>>>>> politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
We are just going to work out how to handle that
Robotics of course. Soon they'll' having them picking oranges. >>>>>>They already do but don't have them wiping geriatric and little >>>>>>>> kids arses, feeding either, changing their nappys, shearing
sheep, keeping crims in jail. making pizzas etc
One worker in the geriatric business said lifting devices, slings >>>>>>> etc
are commonplace now.
But still no robotics feeding the geriatrics,
wiping their arses and changing their
nappys or even doing their haircuts
Home care is popular
None of that is done by robotics
and soon end-of-life decisions will be made by the principal.
Bullshit
I fear it's not bullshit. There is a trend to soften the law
regarding end-of-life choices, driven by the vast number of aging
boomers, and the increasing numbers who do-it-yourself exit with
pills
and helium bags. Even helium cylinders are scarce now. So, Rod,
better stock up; you don't want to end up in care. Do it yesterday! >>>>
*pure* enough to be used for that. And that is deliberate by
*regulation*.
That must be recent then. I know of a case about 10 years' ago where
a cancer sufferer used just that method. A very quick & painless
method.
https://pure.uva.nl/ws/files/100876552/Chapter_3.pdf
Anyway, how are the kiddies going to fill their party balloons?
What is your preference, helium that prevents suicides or helium that is
a little less floaty for balloons. The helium still works in balloons,
just not as well.
https://www.productsafety.gov.au/business/search-mandatory-standards/non-refillable-helium-cylinders-mandatory-standard
The regulations came into force in 2023 but pure helium has been
difficult to get in this country for something of the order of 10 years
now. For your kid's balloons, that's it. Medical grade helium might be a
different matter.
Trust the Govt to keep us paying taxes as long as possible!
On Fri, 07 Aug 2026 06:51:17 +1000, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:Well, it's none of the Govt's business how I'll get to heaven. Think
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 16:07:21 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 6/8/2026 3:58 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 15:20:36 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 6/8/2026 2:08 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2026 07:21:06 +1000, "Rod Speed"You cannot off yourself with helium sourced *in Australia*. It isn't >>>>> *pure* enough to be used for that. And that is deliberate by
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made >>>>>>>And they were the ones that decided that its better
to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the >>>>>>>>>>>> shortage
of kids.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is >>>>>>>>>>>> politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
We are just going to work out how to handle that
Robotics of course. Soon they'll' having them picking oranges. >>>>>>>They already do but don't have them wiping geriatric and little >>>>>>>>> kids arses, feeding either, changing their nappys, shearing
sheep, keeping crims in jail. making pizzas etc
One worker in the geriatric business said lifting devices, slings >>>>>>>> etc
are commonplace now.
But still no robotics feeding the geriatrics,
wiping their arses and changing their
nappys or even doing their haircuts
Home care is popular
None of that is done by robotics
and soon end-of-life decisions will be made by the principal. >>>>>>>Bullshit
I fear it's not bullshit. There is a trend to soften the law
regarding end-of-life choices, driven by the vast number of aging
boomers, and the increasing numbers who do-it-yourself exit with >>>>>> pills
and helium bags. Even helium cylinders are scarce now. So, Rod, >>>>>> better stock up; you don't want to end up in care. Do it yesterday! >>>>>
*regulation*.
That must be recent then. I know of a case about 10 years' ago where >>>> a cancer sufferer used just that method. A very quick & painless
method.
https://pure.uva.nl/ws/files/100876552/Chapter_3.pdf
Anyway, how are the kiddies going to fill their party balloons?
What is your preference, helium that prevents suicides or helium that is >>> a little less floaty for balloons. The helium still works in balloons,
just not as well.
https://www.productsafety.gov.au/business/search-mandatory-standards/non-refillable-helium-cylinders-mandatory-standard
The regulations came into force in 2023 but pure helium has been
difficult to get in this country for something of the order of 10 years
now. For your kid's balloons, that's it. Medical grade helium might be a >>> different matter.
Trust the Govt to keep us paying taxes as long as possible!
Its far from clear that that does in fact keep us paying taxes
for longer given that the most that does is change how you
suicide and less tax is paid when you use the rope you own
already rather than buying some balloon helium and pay
the GST on that
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Peter Jason wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Peter Jason wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Axel <none@not.here> wrote
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-31/chinese-online-shops-selling-australian-police-clothing/106831492>
the Chinese will do anything if there's a dollar to be made >>>>>>>>And they were the ones that decided that its better >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to eat the neighbour's kids than your own in the
worst of the famines, so you swap kids.
Makes sense in some ways, if you do survive
by eating the kids, you can always make
some more once the famine ends
The problem for China, their current famine is precisely the >>>>>>>>>>>>> shortage
of kids.
That's not a famine and nothing like as bad as
the shortage of kids in south korea and japan
The CCP wants the people to make more kidsbut the populace is >>>>>>>>>>>>> politely declining.
So is the entire modern first and second
world, even places like the Philipines now
We are just going to work out how to handle that
Robotics of course. Soon they'll' having them picking >>>>>>>>>>> oranges.
They already do but don't have them wiping geriatric and little >>>>>>>>>> kids arses, feeding either, changing their nappys, shearing >>>>>>>>>> sheep, keeping crims in jail. making pizzas etc
One worker in the geriatric business said lifting devices, slings >>>>>>>>> etc
are commonplace now.
But still no robotics feeding the geriatrics,
wiping their arses and changing their
nappys or even doing their haircuts
Home care is popular
None of that is done by robotics
and soon end-of-life decisions will be made by the principal. >>>>>>>>Bullshit
I fear it's not bullshit. There is a trend to soften the law
regarding end-of-life choices, driven by the vast number of aging >>>>>>> boomers, and the increasing numbers who do-it-yourself exit with >>>>>>> pills
and helium bags. Even helium cylinders are scarce now. So, Rod, >>>>>>> better stock up; you don't want to end up in care. Do it
yesterday!
You cannot off yourself with helium sourced *in Australia*. It isn't >>>>>> *pure* enough to be used for that. And that is deliberate by
*regulation*.
That must be recent then. I know of a case about 10 years' ago
where
a cancer sufferer used just that method. A very quick & painless
method.
https://pure.uva.nl/ws/files/100876552/Chapter_3.pdf
Anyway, how are the kiddies going to fill their party balloons?
What is your preference, helium that prevents suicides or helium that >>>> is
a little less floaty for balloons. The helium still works in balloons, >>>> just not as well.
https://www.productsafety.gov.au/business/search-mandatory-standards/non-refillable-helium-cylinders-mandatory-standard
The regulations came into force in 2023 but pure helium has been
difficult to get in this country for something of the order of 10
years
now. For your kid's balloons, that's it. Medical grade helium might
be a
different matter.
Trust the Govt to keep us paying taxes as long as possible!
Its far from clear that that does in fact keep us paying taxes
for longer given that the most that does is change how you
suicide and less tax is paid when you use the rope you own
already rather than buying some balloon helium and pay
the GST on that
Well, it's none of the Govt's business how I'll get to heaven.
Think too on the saving money on the welfare system.
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