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  • CASA is a pack of fuckwits

    From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to aus.aviation on Tue Dec 10 07:51:12 2024
    From Newsgroup: aus.aviation


    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-09/qld-middle-island-light-plane-crash-pilot-trial-les-woodall/104704578

    Its completely stupid to claim that the result was
    the pilot's fault and not due to the engine failure.

    And pilots are not trained to keep going straight
    ahead on engine failure, they are actually trained
    to head for the safest place to land that the plane
    can get to after the engine failure.

    And its stupid to claim that a plane falls out of the sky when it
    stalls. The Cessna 172 involved in fact mushes and doesnt stall.

    And the pilot should never have been charged in the first place
    given that he wasnt responsible for the engine failure.
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to aus.aviation on Tue Dec 10 07:57:42 2024
    From Newsgroup: aus.aviation

    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 07:51:12 +1100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:


    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-09/qld-middle-island-light-plane-crash-pilot-trial-les-woodall/104704578

    Its completely stupid to claim that the result was
    the pilot's fault and not due to the engine failure.

    And pilots are not trained to keep going straight
    ahead on engine failure, they are actually trained
    to head for the safest place to land that the plane
    can get to after the engine failure.

    And its stupid to claim that a plane falls out of the sky when it
    stalls. The Cessna 172 involved in fact mushes and doesnt stall.

    And the pilot should never have been charged in the first place
    given that he wasnt responsible for the engine failure.

    https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2017/aair/ao-2017-005
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to aus.aviation on Wed Dec 11 19:12:32 2024
    From Newsgroup: aus.aviation

    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 07:57:42 +1100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 07:51:12 +1100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:


    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-09/qld-middle-island-light-plane-crash-pilot-trial-les-woodall/104704578

    Its completely stupid to claim that the result was
    the pilot's fault and not due to the engine failure.

    And pilots are not trained to keep going straight
    ahead on engine failure, they are actually trained
    to head for the safest place to land that the plane
    can get to after the engine failure.

    And its stupid to claim that a plane falls out of the sky when it
    stalls. The Cessna 172 involved in fact mushes and doesnt stall.

    And the pilot should never have been charged in the first place
    given that he wasnt responsible for the engine failure.

    https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2017/aair/ao-2017-005

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-11/qld-pilot-crash-trial-verdict-middle-island-leslie-woodall/104713122
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Sylvia Else@sylvia@email.invalid to aus.aviation on Fri Dec 13 00:56:30 2024
    From Newsgroup: aus.aviation

    On 11-Dec-24 4:12 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 07:57:42 +1100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 07:51:12 +1100, Rod Speed
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:


    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-09/qld-middle-island-light-plane-crash-pilot-trial-les-woodall/104704578

    Its completely stupid to claim that the result was
    the pilot's fault and not due to the engine failure.

    And pilots are not trained to keep going straight
    ahead on engine failure, they are actually trained
    to head for the safest place to land that the plane
    can get to after the engine failure.

    And its stupid to claim that a plane falls out of the sky when it
    stalls. The Cessna 172 involved in fact mushes and doesnt stall.

    And the pilot should never have been charged in the first place
    given that he wasnt responsible for the engine failure.

    https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2017/aair/ao-2017-005

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-11/qld-pilot-crash-trial-verdict-middle-island-leslie-woodall/104713122

    It does seem rather unreasonable.

    I assume there will be an appeal.

    Sylvia.
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From noel@deletethis@invalid.lan to aus.aviation on Fri Dec 13 07:13:14 2024
    From Newsgroup: aus.aviation

    On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 00:56:30 +0800, Sylvia Else wrote:

    On 11-Dec-24 4:12 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 07:57:42 +1100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 07:51:12 +1100, Rod Speed
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:


    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-09/qld-middle-island-light-plane- crash-pilot-trial-les-woodall/104704578

    Its completely stupid to claim that the result was the pilot's fault
    and not due to the engine failure.

    And pilots are not trained to keep going straight ahead on engine
    failure, they are actually trained to head for the safest place to
    land that the plane can get to after the engine failure.

    And its stupid to claim that a plane falls out of the sky when it
    stalls. The Cessna 172 involved in fact mushes and doesnt stall.

    And the pilot should never have been charged in the first place given
    that he wasnt responsible for the engine failure.

    https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2017/aair/ ao-2017-005

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-11/qld-pilot-crash-trial-verdict- middle-island-leslie-woodall/104713122

    It does seem rather unreasonable.

    I assume there will be an appeal.

    Sylvia.

    " Aviation experts called as witnesses during the trial all agreed
    Woodall went against best practice "

    I cant wait to see trial transcripts to find out who all these experts
    were, I would hope not all are in the employ of the commonwealth.
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