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https://7plus.com.au/code-1-minute-by-minute?episode-id=MINM02-006&autoplay=true
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2017/aair/ao-2017-024
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On 12/3/2023 5:25 am, Rod Speed wrote:

https://7plus.com.au/code-1-minute-by-minute?episode-id=MINM02-006&autoplay=true
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2017/aair/ao-2017-024

Despite what the report stated I think that the putting a shopping
centre on what was previously airport land contributed to the
fatalities, the aircraft would of still crashed but with nothing to hit
the aircraft may have been able to make a crash landing with minimal
injuries, saying that it may have landed on the freeway is utter
nonsense when the photos show that it was well past the freeway when it
went down.
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Daryl

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Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote

Rod Speed wrote

https://7plus.com.au/code-1-minute-by-minute?episode-id=MINM02-006&autoplay=true
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2017/aair/ao-2017-024

Despite what the report stated I think that the putting a shopping
centre on what was previously airport land contributed to the
fatalities, the aircraft would of still crashed but with nothing to hit

It would have hit the very busy freeway instead.

the aircraft may have been able to make a crash landing with minimal injuries,

Don't buy that given what would have been there instead.

saying that it may have landed on the freeway is utter nonsense when the photos show that it was well past the freeway when it went down.

That's not what the dashcam footage shows or what the fella
in the video says heat wise.
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On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 10:42:25 +1100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote

Rod Speed wrote

https://7plus.com.au/code-1-minute-by-minute?episode-id=MINM02-006&autoplay=true
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2017/aair/ao-2017-024

Despite what the report stated I think that the putting a shopping
centre on what was previously airport land contributed to the
fatalities, the aircraft would of still crashed but with nothing to hit

It would have hit the very busy freeway instead.

the aircraft may have been able to make a crash landing with minimal
injuries,

Don't buy that given what would have been there instead.

saying that it may have landed on the freeway is utter nonsense when
the photos show that it was well past the freeway when it went down.

That's not what the dashcam footage shows or what the fella
in the video says heat wise.

And that's a separate matter entirely to the pilot who managed
to not even notice the problem with the hard left rudder trim
setting until it was taking off with no time to work out what
the problem was and fix it before it crashed.
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On 12-Mar-23 5:25 am, Rod Speed wrote:

https://7plus.com.au/code-1-minute-by-minute?episode-id=MINM02-006&autoplay=true
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2017/aair/ao-2017-024

Is there a particular reason you're mentioning this now?

Sylvia.
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Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote

Rod Speed wrote

https://7plus.com.au/code-1-minute-by-minute?episode-id=MINM02-006&autoplay=true
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2017/aair/ao-2017-024

Is there a particular reason you're mentioning this now?

Watched the video last night.

Didn't realise the pilot was so fucked between the ears
and that CASA was too stupid to take his license away
even after the bus crash when he was driving.

Understandable that his wife never dobbed him in
before the crash, but that is what produced the crash.

Interesting that the ATSB report never mentioned that
problem. That is utterly fucked.
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On 12/3/2023 10:42 am, Rod Speed wrote:

Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote

Rod Speed wrote

https://7plus.com.au/code-1-minute-by-minute?episode-id=MINM02-006&autoplay=true
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2017/aair/ao-2017-024

Despite what the report stated I think that the putting a shopping
centre on what was previously airport land contributed to the
fatalities,-a the aircraft would of still crashed but with nothing to hit

It would have hit the very busy freeway instead.

the aircraft may have been able to make a crash landing with minimal
injuries,

Don't buy that given what would have been there instead.

saying that it may have landed on the freeway is utter nonsense when
the photos show that it was well past the freeway when it went down.

That's not what the dashcam footage shows or what the fella
in the video says heat wise.

I just had another look at the picture in the report then a map to get
my head around which way the aircraft took off, looks like he took off
towards the south which is unusual and why initially I thought he was
going the other direction away from the freeway.
Winds in that area are mostly north or west which is why it seems
unusual that the take off was to the south.
My older sisters in laws used to live right on the eastern end of the
east west runway on Fenacre St and there was viewing area where anyone
can see the end of the runway, when I was a teenager I used to go there
and watch the planes takeoff and land and it was very rare that they
took off to the south or east.
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Daryl

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Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote

Rod Speed wrote

Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote

Rod Speed wrote

https://7plus.com.au/code-1-minute-by-minute?episode-id=MINM02-006&autoplay=true
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2017/aair/ao-2017-024

Despite what the report stated I think that the putting a shopping
centre on what was previously airport land contributed to the
fatalities, the aircraft would of still crashed but with nothing to
hit

It would have hit the very busy freeway instead.

the aircraft may have been able to make a crash landing with minimal
injuries,

Don't buy that given what would have been there instead.

saying that it may have landed on the freeway is utter nonsense when
the photos show that it was well past the freeway when it went down.

That's not what the dashcam footage shows or what the fella
in the video says heat wise.

I just had another look at the picture in the report then a map to get
my head around which way the aircraft took off, looks like he took off towards the south which is unusual and why initially I thought he was
going the other direction away from the freeway.

Winds in that area are mostly north or west

I have never bought claims like that.

which is why it seems unusual that the take off was to the south.

My older sisters in laws used to live right on the eastern end of the
east west runway on Fenacre St and there was viewing area where anyone
can see the end of the runway, when I was a teenager I used to go there
and watch the planes takeoff and land and it was very rare that they
took off to the south or east.

But given that he was headed to King Island, and that is south
of Melburg, it isn't surprising that he chose to head south.

And not surprising that most head north and east given that
Melburg is the pimple on the arsehole of Australia with the
bulk of the destinations north and east of Melburg.
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On 13/3/2023 3:42 am, Rod Speed wrote:

Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote

Rod Speed wrote

Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote

Rod Speed wrote

https://7plus.com.au/code-1-minute-by-minute?episode-id=MINM02-006&autoplay=true
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2017/aair/ao-2017-024

Despite what the report stated I think that the putting a shopping
centre on what was previously airport land contributed to the
fatalities,-a the aircraft would of still crashed but with nothing to >>>> hit

-aIt would have hit the very busy freeway instead.

the aircraft may have been able to make a crash landing with minimal
injuries,

-aDon't buy that given what would have been there instead.

saying that it may have landed on the freeway is utter nonsense when
the photos show that it was well past the freeway when it went down.

-aThat's not what the dashcam footage shows or what the fella
in the video says heat wise.

I just had another look at the picture in the report then a map to get
my head around which way the aircraft took off, looks like he took off
towards the south which is unusual and why initially I thought he was
going the other direction away from the freeway.

Winds in that area are mostly north or west

I have never bought claims like that.

Its not a claim, I've lived in NW Melbourne for 70yrs and that's the way
the wind blows.
According to the BOM as I'm typing this the winds at Essendon airport
are from the west at 4kts.

which is why it seems unusual that the take off was to the south.

My older sisters in laws used to live right on the eastern end of the
east west runway on Fenacre St and there was viewing area where anyone
can see the end of the runway, when I was a teenager I used to go
there and watch the planes takeoff and land and it was very rare that
they took off to the south or east.

But given that he was headed to King Island, and that is south
of Melburg, it isn't surprising that he chose to head south.

I'm not a pilot but AFAIK planes usually take off into the wind
regardless of where they are heading so there was either very little
wind or there was a southerly which is unusual.
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Daryl

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Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote

Rod Speed wrote

Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote

Rod Speed wrote

Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote

Rod Speed wrote

https://7plus.com.au/code-1-minute-by-minute?episode-id=MINM02-006&autoplay=true
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2017/aair/ao-2017-024

Despite what the report stated I think that the putting a shopping
centre on what was previously airport land contributed to the
fatalities, the aircraft would of still crashed but with nothing to >>>>> hit

It would have hit the very busy freeway instead.

the aircraft may have been able to make a crash landing with minimal >>>>> injuries,

Don't buy that given what would have been there instead.

saying that it may have landed on the freeway is utter nonsense when >>>>> the photos show that it was well past the freeway when it went down.

That's not what the dashcam footage shows or what the fella
in the video says heat wise.

I just had another look at the picture in the report then a map to get >>> my head around which way the aircraft took off, looks like he took off >>> towards the south which is unusual and why initially I thought he was
going the other direction away from the freeway.

Winds in that area are mostly north or west

I have never bought claims like that.

Its not a claim,

Corse it is.

I've lived in NW Melbourne for 70yrs and that's the way the wind blows.

I have lived there too and that claim is bullshit.

According to the BOM as I'm typing this the winds at Essendon airport
are from the west at 4kts.

The technical term for that is 'pathetically inadequate sample'

which is why it seems unusual that the take off was to the south.

My older sisters in laws used to live right on the eastern end of the
east west runway on Fenacre St and there was viewing area where anyone >>> can see the end of the runway, when I was a teenager I used to go
there and watch the planes takeoff and land and it was very rare that
they took off to the south or east.

But given that he was headed to King Island, and that is south
of Melburg, it isn't surprising that he chose to head south.

I'm not a pilot

That's obvious.

but AFAIK planes usually take off into the wind regardless of where they are heading so there was either very little wind

In fact there was very little wind, 5 knots and runway 17 was
being used for departures and he was told to use runway 17
to depart, just like everyone else was at that time.

or there was a southerly which is unusual.

Bullshit.
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