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On 17/6/2024 12:19 pm, Rod Speed wrote:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/boeing-737-max-drops-to-metres-above-ocean/103985934

The "dropping" incident sounds like pilot error, the "dutch roll"
incident sounds like a bigger problem.
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Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote

Rod Speed wrote

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/boeing-737-max-drops-to-metres-above-ocean/103985934

The "dropping" incident sounds like pilot error,

Unless it was MCAS again

the "dutch roll" incident sounds like a bigger problem.

Unless the first one was MCAS again
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On 17/6/2024 3:58 pm, Rod Speed wrote:

Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote

Rod Speed wrote

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/boeing-737-max-drops-to-metres-above-ocean/103985934

The "dropping" incident sounds like pilot error,

Unless it was MCAS again

the "dutch roll" incident sounds like a bigger problem.

Unless the first one was MCAS again

Anything is possible but this quote from the ABC article points to pilot error.

"During the go-around, the first officer "inadvertently pushed forward
on the control column while following thrust lever movement commanded by
the autothrottle," according to a June 7 memo seen by Reuters, and the
plane began to descend rapidly hitting a maximum descent rate of about
4,400 feet a minute."
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Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote

Rod Speed wrote

Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote

Rod Speed wrote

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/boeing-737-max-drops-to-metres-above-ocean/103985934

The "dropping" incident sounds like pilot error,

Unless it was MCAS again

the "dutch roll" incident sounds like a bigger problem.

Unless the first one was MCAS again

Anything is possible but this quote from the ABC article points to pilot error.

But its far from clear how accurate that is given
that there has not been a full investigation yet
and its only what some journo is claiming.

And it begs the question why he would do that.

"During the go-around, the first officer "inadvertently pushed forward
on the control column while following thrust lever movement commanded by the autothrottle," according to a June 7 memo seen by Reuters, and the plane began to descend rapidly hitting a maximum descent rate of about 4,400 feet a minute."

And far from clear why he wouldnt have corrected that.
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On 18/6/2024 5:21 am, Rod Speed wrote:

Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote

Rod Speed wrote

Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote

Rod Speed wrote

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/boeing-737-max-drops-to-metres-above-ocean/103985934

The "dropping" incident sounds like pilot error,

-aUnless it was MCAS again

the "dutch roll" incident sounds like a bigger problem.

-aUnless the first one was MCAS again

Anything is possible but this quote from the ABC article points to
pilot error.

But its far from clear how accurate that is given
that there has not been a full investigation yet
and its only what some journo is claiming.

And it begs the question why he would do that.

"During the go-around, the first officer "inadvertently pushed forward
on the control column while following thrust lever movement commanded
by the autothrottle," according to a June 7 memo seen by Reuters, and
the plane began to descend rapidly hitting a maximum descent rate of
about 4,400 feet a minute."

And far from clear why he wouldnt have corrected that.

It does seem like a very strange thing to happen if it was allegedly
induced by one of the pilots, the investigation will be interesting.
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Daryl

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On 17/06/2024 1:02 pm, Daryl wrote:

On 17/6/2024 12:19 pm, Rod Speed wrote:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/boeing-737-max-drops-to-metres-above-ocean/103985934

The "dropping" incident sounds like pilot error, the "dutch roll"
incident sounds like a bigger problem.

"Dutch roll" is a characteristic of all swept wing aircraft, they either
have a dutch roll damper or it is done by the auto-pilot.
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keithr0 <user@account.invalid> writes:

On 17/06/2024 1:02 pm, Daryl wrote:

On 17/6/2024 12:19 pm, Rod Speed wrote:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/boeing-737-max-drops-to-metres-above-ocean/103985934

The "dropping" incident sounds like pilot error, the "dutch roll"
incident sounds like a bigger problem.

"Dutch roll" is a characteristic of all swept wing aircraft, they either >have a dutch roll damper or it is done by the auto-pilot.

The followup reports the rudder PDU was RIPPED from its mounting.
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On 23/6/2024 10:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:

On 17/06/2024 1:02 pm, Daryl wrote:

On 17/6/2024 12:19 pm, Rod Speed wrote:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/boeing-737-max-drops-to-metres-above-ocean/103985934

The "dropping" incident sounds like pilot error, the "dutch roll"
incident sounds like a bigger problem.

"Dutch roll" is a characteristic of all swept wing aircraft, they either have a dutch roll damper or it is done by the auto-pilot.

I was referring to what they found after they landed and carried out an investigation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjdveYYBOJE&t=569s
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