• Moorabbin airport future unclear...

    From lindsay@nope@nunnya.business.com.au to aus.aviation on Tue Sep 5 21:16:14 2023
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    https://www.kingston.vic.gov.au/council/news/latest-news/moorabbin-airport

    2nd busiest airport in Aus... unbelievable....
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  • From Daryl@dwalford@westpine.com.au to aus.aviation on Wed Sep 6 10:36:42 2023
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    On 5/9/2023 9:16 pm, lindsay wrote:
    https://www.kingston.vic.gov.au/council/news/latest-news/moorabbin-airport

    2nd busiest airport in Aus... unbelievable....


    The world is ruled by greed, make short term money and fuck long term
    commons sense, its worse than unbelievable its insane.
    Hopefully commons sense will prevail over greed.
    --
    Daryl

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  • From Xeno@xenolith@optusnet.com.au to aus.aviation on Wed Sep 6 16:57:39 2023
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    On 6/9/2023 10:36 am, Daryl wrote:
    On 5/9/2023 9:16 pm, lindsay wrote:
    https://www.kingston.vic.gov.au/council/news/latest-news/moorabbin-airport >>
    2nd busiest airport in Aus... unbelievable....


    The world is ruled by greed, make short term money and fuck long term commons sense, its worse than unbelievable its insane.
    Hopefully commons sense will prevail over greed.

    If it were to close, the "295,000 movements per year" would need to go
    to Essendon. Don't think that airport would be capable.

    Anyway, we have been here before.

    rCLThere is a strong history of refusing inappropriate airport
    development with Anthony Albanese previously refusing
    masterplans for both Bankstown (2011) and Canberra (2008)
    airports and blocking plans for inappropriate commercial
    development here at Moorabbin Airport (2013). An airport and
    the industries on it are not something you can easily
    replace,rCY Cr Saab said.

    It appeared Labor had common sense, let's hope they still have it. The
    Libs didn't, and they were riddled with greed, which is why they are
    currently not in power.
    --
    Xeno


    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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  • From lindsay@nope@nunnya.business.com.au to aus.aviation on Wed Sep 6 20:00:37 2023
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    On 6/09/2023 4:57 pm, Xeno wrote:
    On 6/9/2023 10:36 am, Daryl wrote:
    On 5/9/2023 9:16 pm, lindsay wrote:
    https://www.kingston.vic.gov.au/council/news/latest-news/moorabbin-airport >>>

    2nd busiest airport in Aus... unbelievable....


    The world is ruled by greed, make short term money and fuck long term
    commons sense, its worse than unbelievable its insane.
    Hopefully commons sense will prevail over greed.

    If it were to close, the "295,000 movements per year" would need to go
    to Essendon. Don't think that airport would be capable.

    Really? Would it? Or be split/shared between all the other airports
    capable of twin engined aircraft, shit-fer-brains. You know, Essendon,
    Tulla, Avalon, Lilydale, Bairnsdale, Sale, Mangalore, Phillip Is,...

    Is there any particular reason WHY your mouth opens, and just vomits
    useless ill-informed shit into newsgroups? Dementia? Early Altz? Your
    NPD taking control?

    So, have you found out what a cockpit voice recorder does yet, dumbo?

    Phil Allison wrote:

    PA: "The voice recorder quite probably contains nothing useful, because
    it records only for a limited time."

    Xeno: "It will show *how* the plane ended its flight and that is the significant finding - manual control or autopilot plus fuel
    levels/engine operational status." 19/01/17

    PA: "** No way will the CVR ever do that."

    Xeno: "The CVR, no, it's not intended to do that."

    PA: "Then why did you say it could ??"

    And Tomas Clasener/xeno ran away. He does that when he's found wanting, because he's an ex tafe teacher, and therefore can't be wrong. Ever.
    Obviously not geting enough in aus.cars, tommy?

    Anyway, we have been here before.

    Yeah, and you ran away. As per usual, shit-fer-brains. So you can take
    your google-found "knowledge" and fuck off. You wont find your nemesis
    here. You may find another tho...


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  • From lindsay@nope@nunnya.business.com.au to aus.aviation on Wed Sep 6 20:11:27 2023
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    On 6/09/2023 10:36 am, Daryl wrote:
    On 5/9/2023 9:16 pm, lindsay wrote:
    https://www.kingston.vic.gov.au/council/news/latest-news/moorabbin-airport >>

    2nd busiest airport in Aus... unbelievable....


    The world is ruled by greed, make short term money and fuck long term commons sense, its worse than unbelievable its insane.

    I agree. Senseless short term gain. Price of King Island crays and Dairy
    will double, which will pricew them out of the market.. Golfs trips from Moorabbin done and dusted.. and what looked like new helo hangers will
    become car parks for DFO..

    Moorabbin Airport land has been sold off willy-nilly, from Costco, to
    DFO, to Hawthorn Football Club. It's acreage has been shrinking, and at
    an exacerbated rate in the last 5-10 years, to the stage you can drive
    down Lower Dandenong rd, westbound, and nearly miss the airport.

    Hopefully commons sense will prevail over greed.

    Not in Victoria, whilst Dodgy Dan's in power... Dont know if he has his fingers in the Airport as it's Federal land, but he'll be involved
    somehow...

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  • From Daryl@dwalford@westpine.com.au to aus.aviation on Wed Sep 6 21:33:41 2023
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    On 6/9/2023 8:11 pm, lindsay wrote:
    On 6/09/2023 10:36 am, Daryl wrote:
    On 5/9/2023 9:16 pm, lindsay wrote:
    https://www.kingston.vic.gov.au/council/news/latest-news/moorabbin-airport >>>
    2nd busiest airport in Aus... unbelievable....


    The world is ruled by greed, make short term money and fuck long term
    commons sense, its worse than unbelievable its insane.

    I agree. Senseless short term gain. Price of King Island crays and Dairy will double, which will pricew them out of the market.. Golfs trips from Moorabbin done and dusted.. and what looked like new helo hangers will become car parks for DFO..

    Moorabbin Airport land has been sold off willy-nilly, from Costco, to
    DFO, to Hawthorn Football Club. It's acreage has been shrinking, and at
    an exacerbated rate in the last 5-10 years, to the stage you can drive
    down Lower Dandenong rd, westbound, and nearly miss the airport.

    A few years ago when I was still interested in getting a helicopter
    license we were coming in to land at Moorabbin after a training flight,
    if I remember correctly helicopters have to cross the airport threshold
    at over 800' to keep out of the way of fixed wing aircraft landing and I
    was amazed at how they seemed to be skimming the roofs of the factories,
    quite a sight from above.
    Hate to think how dangerous it would be if there were even more factories.

    Hopefully commons sense will prevail over greed.

    Not in Victoria, whilst Dodgy Dan's in power... Dont know if he has his fingers in the Airport as it's Federal land, but he'll be involved somehow...

    Being Federal I don't think that he has anything to do with it but if he
    does its guaranteed to be a disaster not that he has any money to do
    anything with, its all been spent and the piggy bank is empty.
    --
    Daryl

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  • From lindsay@nope@nunnya.business.com.au to aus.aviation on Thu Sep 7 09:22:46 2023
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    On 6/09/2023 9:33 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 6/9/2023 8:11 pm, lindsay wrote:
    On 6/09/2023 10:36 am, Daryl wrote:
    On 5/9/2023 9:16 pm, lindsay wrote:
    https://www.kingston.vic.gov.au/council/news/latest-news/moorabbin-airport


    2nd busiest airport in Aus... unbelievable....


    The world is ruled by greed, make short term money and fuck long term
    commons sense, its worse than unbelievable its insane.

    I agree. Senseless short term gain. Price of King Island crays and
    Dairy will double, which will pricew them out of the market.. Golfs
    trips from Moorabbin done and dusted.. and what looked like new helo
    hangers will become car parks for DFO..

    Moorabbin Airport land has been sold off willy-nilly, from Costco, to
    DFO, to Hawthorn Football Club. It's acreage has been shrinking, and
    at an exacerbated rate in the last 5-10 years, to the stage you can
    drive down Lower Dandenong rd, westbound, and nearly miss the airport.

    A few years ago when I was still interested in getting a helicopter
    license we were coming in to land at Moorabbin after a training flight,
    if I remember correctly helicopters have to cross the airport threshold
    at over 800' to keep out of the way of fixed wing aircraft landing and I
    was amazed at how they seemed to be skimming the roofs of the factories, quite a sight from above.

    Hahahha came ohome from an Avalon Airshow, in the front seat, and as
    they come over Capital Golf club, and over Centre Dandenong Rd, they
    drop like a stone to get on the runway. Was most entertaining.

    Hate to think how dangerous it would be if there were even more factories.

    Yep, there's not a lot of room now. If one was to crash into DFO....

    OTOH, it's scary at times. We live on the edge of the flight path, 5k's
    out, where as I understand it, planes must not go below 500 feet. I
    reckon I've seen a couple at 200 feet. Same at my old factory... a few
    cowboys methinks...


    Hopefully commons sense will prevail over greed.

    Not in Victoria, whilst Dodgy Dan's in power... Dont know if he has
    his fingers in the Airport as it's Federal land, but he'll be involved
    somehow...

    Being Federal I don't think that he has anything to do with it but if he does its guaranteed to be a disaster not that he has any money to do anything with, its all been spent and the piggy bank is empty.

    He'll have his hand out to the feds if it does go... He'll say it's an "assistance package" for all the businesses that will be forced to
    close. And he'll keep the lot. He's a dog.


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  • From Daryl@dwalford@westpine.com.au to aus.aviation on Thu Sep 7 14:31:06 2023
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    On 7/9/2023 9:22 am, lindsay wrote:
    On 6/09/2023 9:33 pm, Daryl wrote:
    On 6/9/2023 8:11 pm, lindsay wrote:
    On 6/09/2023 10:36 am, Daryl wrote:
    On 5/9/2023 9:16 pm, lindsay wrote:
    https://www.kingston.vic.gov.au/council/news/latest-news/moorabbin-airport

    2nd busiest airport in Aus... unbelievable....


    The world is ruled by greed, make short term money and fuck long
    term commons sense, its worse than unbelievable its insane.

    I agree. Senseless short term gain. Price of King Island crays and
    Dairy will double, which will pricew them out of the market.. Golfs
    trips from Moorabbin done and dusted.. and what looked like new helo
    hangers will become car parks for DFO..

    Moorabbin Airport land has been sold off willy-nilly, from Costco, to
    DFO, to Hawthorn Football Club. It's acreage has been shrinking, and
    at an exacerbated rate in the last 5-10 years, to the stage you can
    drive down Lower Dandenong rd, westbound, and nearly miss the airport.

    A few years ago when I was still interested in getting a helicopter
    license we were coming in to land at Moorabbin after a training
    flight, if I remember correctly helicopters have to cross the airport
    threshold at over 800' to keep out of the way of fixed wing aircraft
    landing and I was amazed at how they seemed to be skimming the roofs
    of the factories, quite a sight from above.

    Hahahha came ohome from an Avalon Airshow, in the front seat, and as
    they come over Capital Golf club, and over Centre Dandenong Rd, they
    drop like a stone to get on the runway. Was most entertaining.

    LOL, gets your heart rate up if you aren't expecting it:-)
    My last training flight was rather interesting, the instructor asked me
    what I wanted to do, since it was my 5th flight he said I could do what
    I wanted so I said I just wanted to play around climbing and turning etc
    so he said go for it, one we were over the training area I took control
    and started making a few turns which I thought were quite tight till he
    said that he would show me what a real tight turn was, he had the thing turning so hard I thought we were going upside down, certainly got my attention:-)
    The instructors main job in the summer was fire fighting so he really
    knew how to handle a helicopter.


    Hate to think how dangerous it would be if there were even more
    factories.

    Yep, there's not a lot of room now. If one was to crash into DFO....

    OTOH, it's scary at times. We live on the edge of the flight path, 5k's
    out, where as I understand it, planes must not go below 500 feet. I
    reckon I've seen a couple at 200 feet. Same at my old factory... a few cowboys methinks...

    Possibly or they just misjudged the approach.


    Hopefully commons sense will prevail over greed.

    Not in Victoria, whilst Dodgy Dan's in power... Dont know if he has
    his fingers in the Airport as it's Federal land, but he'll be
    involved somehow...

    Being Federal I don't think that he has anything to do with it but if
    he does its guaranteed to be a disaster not that he has any money to
    do anything with, its all been spent and the piggy bank is empty.

    He'll have his hand out to the feds if it does go... He'll say it's an "assistance package" for all the businesses that will be forced to
    close. And he'll keep the lot. He's a dog.

    No doubt about that.
    --
    Daryl

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