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Can anyone tell me why I keep getting this message on Websites that I
used to be able to access all the time? This particular one was from:

You don't have permission to access
"http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/mwmap3.php?" on this server.
Reference #18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62 https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62

I'm not using any VPNs, nor am I using any firewall (to my knowledge
anyway) Using FF v115.21 OeSR 64-bit, but also got it in Chrome
v109.0.5414.120 (Official Build) (64-bit).

I have also gotten it trying to access Kroger.com:

You don't have permission to access "http://www.kroger.com/" on this
server.
Reference #18.6624c317.1779560659.1270ce75 https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.6624c317.1779560659.1270ce75

This is really weird because I can log into: https://www.kroger.com/account/dashboard/

>>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<
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On 5/23/2026 11:39 AM, jetjock wrote:

Can anyone tell me why I keep getting this message on Websites that I
used to be able to access all the time? This particular one was from:

You don't have permission to access
"http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/mwmap3.php?" on this server.
Reference #18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62 https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62

I'm not using any VPNs, nor am I using any firewall (to my knowledge
anyway) Using FF v115.21 OeSR 64-bit, but also got it in Chrome v109.0.5414.120 (Official Build) (64-bit).

I have also gotten it trying to access Kroger.com:

[snipped]
Windows 7
SeaMOnkey 2.53.23

Not even <http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/> works with eaither SeaMonkey or
Firefox 115.36.0esr. However, <https://www.noaa.gov/> does work with SeaMonkey. I think the site has been extensively revised. What
specifcally on that site were you trying to reach?
--
David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>
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On Sat, 5/23/2026 2:39 PM, jetjock wrote:

Can anyone tell me why I keep getting this message on Websites that I
used to be able to access all the time? This particular one was from:

You don't have permission to access
"http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/mwmap3.php?" on this server.
Reference #18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62 https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62

I'm not using any VPNs, nor am I using any firewall (to my knowledge
anyway) Using FF v115.21 OeSR 64-bit, but also got it in Chrome v109.0.5414.120 (Official Build) (64-bit).

I have also gotten it trying to access Kroger.com:

You don't have permission to access "http://www.kroger.com/" on this
server.
Reference #18.6624c317.1779560659.1270ce75 https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.6624c317.1779560659.1270ce75

This is really weird because I can log into: https://www.kroger.com/account/dashboard/

>>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<

Until August.

https://www.techspot.com/news/111666-firefox-115-esr-keeping-windows-7-support-alive.html

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/115.36.0esr/

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/115.36.0esr/win64/en-US/

Firefox Setup 115.36.0esr.exe 56M 18-May-2026 12:11

*******

It's possible the problem is your usage of "http" instead of "https".

In the past, the websites were set up to auto-promote you to https.
But an https protocol error, should not be translated/converted into
"Access Denied".

Unlike Internet Explorer, the crypto channel is part of the Firefox
executable, and if issuing Firefox today, the crypto channel in .36
should reflect whatever the Internet is using today for standards.
TLS1.3 and CHACHA20 maybe.

Paul
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"David E. Ross" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote in news:10ustpn$2h7n6$1 @dont-email.me:

On 5/23/2026 11:39 AM, jetjock wrote:

Can anyone tell me why I keep getting this message on Websites that I
used to be able to access all the time? This particular one was from:

You don't have permission to access
"http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/mwmap3.php?" on this server.
Reference #18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62
https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62

I'm not using any VPNs, nor am I using any firewall (to my knowledge
anyway) Using FF v115.21 OeSR 64-bit, but also got it in Chrome
v109.0.5414.120 (Official Build) (64-bit).

I have also gotten it trying to access Kroger.com:

[snipped]
Windows 7
SeaMOnkey 2.53.23

Not even <http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/> works with eaither SeaMonkey or
Firefox 115.36.0esr. However, <https://www.noaa.gov/> does work with SeaMonkey. I think the site has been extensively revised. What
specifcally on that site were you trying to reach?

Win7Pro with FF here,

The provided links fail. However, starting at the root of each site and allowing https thay work. Further test to maps failed because I have all scripting disabled. Enabling php made noaa work.

Could the original poster explain how to get from the site root to the
failing maps. Perhaps then we could duplicate the errors without guessing
if bypassing the site links somehow blocked access.

Thank you.
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On Sat, 5/23/2026 2:39 PM, jetjock wrote:

Can anyone tell me why I keep getting this message on Websites that I
used to be able to access all the time? This particular one was from:

You don't have permission to access
"http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/mwmap3.php?" on this server.
Reference #18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62 https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62

I'm not using any VPNs, nor am I using any firewall (to my knowledge
anyway) Using FF v115.21 OeSR 64-bit, but also got it in Chrome v109.0.5414.120 (Official Build) (64-bit).

I have also gotten it trying to access Kroger.com:

You don't have permission to access "http://www.kroger.com/" on this
server.
Reference #18.6624c317.1779560659.1270ce75 https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.6624c317.1779560659.1270ce75

This is really weird because I can log into: https://www.kroger.com/account/dashboard/

>>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<

Until August.

https://www.techspot.com/news/111666-firefox-115-esr-keeping-windows-7-support-alive.html

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/115.36.0esr/

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/115.36.0esr/win64/en-US/

Firefox Setup 115.36.0esr.exe 56M 18-May-2026 12:11

*******

It's possible the problem is your usage of "http" instead of "https".

In the past, the websites were set up to auto-promote you to https.
But an https protocol error, should not be translated/converted into
"Access Denied".

Unlike Internet Explorer, the crypto channel is part of the Firefox
executable, and if issuing Firefox today, the crypto channel in .36
should reflect whatever the Internet is using today for standards.
TLS1.3 and CHACHA20 maybe.

Paul
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From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

On Sat, 5/23/2026 2:39 PM, jetjock wrote:

Can anyone tell me why I keep getting this message on Websites that I
used to be able to access all the time? This particular one was from:

You don't have permission to access
"http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/mwmap3.php?" on this server.
Reference #18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62 https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62

I'm not using any VPNs, nor am I using any firewall (to my knowledge
anyway) Using FF v115.21 OeSR 64-bit, but also got it in Chrome v109.0.5414.120 (Official Build) (64-bit).

I have also gotten it trying to access Kroger.com:

You don't have permission to access "http://www.kroger.com/" on this
server.
Reference #18.6624c317.1779560659.1270ce75 https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.6624c317.1779560659.1270ce75

This is really weird because I can log into: https://www.kroger.com/account/dashboard/

>>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<

Until August.

https://www.techspot.com/news/111666-firefox-115-esr-keeping-windows-7-support-alive.html

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/115.36.0esr/

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/115.36.0esr/win64/en-US/

Firefox Setup 115.36.0esr.exe 56M 18-May-2026 12:11

*******

It's possible the problem is your usage of "http" instead of "https".

In the past, the websites were set up to auto-promote you to https.
But an https protocol error, should not be translated/converted into
"Access Denied".

Unlike Internet Explorer, the crypto channel is part of the Firefox
executable, and if issuing Firefox today, the crypto channel in .36
should reflect whatever the Internet is using today for standards.
TLS1.3 and CHACHA20 maybe.

Paul
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Op 23-5-2026 om 20:39 schreef jetjock:

Can anyone tell me why I keep getting this message on Websites that I
used to be able to access all the time? This particular one was from:

You don't have permission to access
"http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/mwmap3.php?" on this server.
Reference #18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62 https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62

I'm not using any VPNs, nor am I using any firewall (to my knowledge
anyway) Using FF v115.21 OeSR 64-bit, but also got it in Chrome v109.0.5414.120 (Official Build) (64-bit).

Is this the new page?
https://www.weather.gov/wrh/


Rink
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On Sat, 23 May 2026 12:05:25 -0700, "David E. Ross"
<nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

On 5/23/2026 11:39 AM, jetjock wrote:

Can anyone tell me why I keep getting this message on Websites that I
used to be able to access all the time? This particular one was from:

You don't have permission to access
"http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/mwmap3.php?" on this server.
Reference #18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62
https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62

I'm not using any VPNs, nor am I using any firewall (to my knowledge
anyway) Using FF v115.21 OeSR 64-bit, but also got it in Chrome
v109.0.5414.120 (Official Build) (64-bit).

I have also gotten it trying to access Kroger.com:

[snipped]
Windows 7
SeaMOnkey 2.53.23

Not even <http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/> works with eaither SeaMonkey or
Firefox 115.36.0esr. However, <https://www.noaa.gov/> does work with >SeaMonkey. I think the site has been extensively revised. What
specifcally on that site were you trying to reach?

Just trying to check weather and shop at Kroger.

>>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<
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On Sat, 23 May 2026 16:31:33 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
wrote:

On Sat, 5/23/2026 2:39 PM, jetjock wrote:

Can anyone tell me why I keep getting this message on Websites that I
used to be able to access all the time? This particular one was from:

You don't have permission to access
"http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/mwmap3.php?" on this server.
Reference #18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62
https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62

I'm not using any VPNs, nor am I using any firewall (to my knowledge
anyway) Using FF v115.21 OeSR 64-bit, but also got it in Chrome
v109.0.5414.120 (Official Build) (64-bit).

I have also gotten it trying to access Kroger.com:

You don't have permission to access "http://www.kroger.com/" on this
server.
Reference #18.6624c317.1779560659.1270ce75
https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.6624c317.1779560659.1270ce75

This is really weird because I can log into:
https://www.kroger.com/account/dashboard/

>>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<

Until August.

https://www.techspot.com/news/111666-firefox-115-esr-keeping-windows-7-support-alive.html

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/115.36.0esr/

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/115.36.0esr/win64/en-US/

Firefox Setup 115.36.0esr.exe 56M 18-May-2026 12:11

*******

It's possible the problem is your usage of "http" instead of "https".

In the past, the websites were set up to auto-promote you to https.
But an https protocol error, should not be translated/converted into
"Access Denied".

Unlike Internet Explorer, the crypto channel is part of the Firefox >executable, and if issuing Firefox today, the crypto channel in .36
should reflect whatever the Internet is using today for standards.
TLS1.3 and CHACHA20 maybe.

Paul

Thanks. You may like to know that I got this post 3 times over 23
minutes!

>>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<
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On 2026-05-24 16:08, jetjock wrote:

On Sat, 23 May 2026 16:31:33 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>

Until August.

https://www.techspot.com/news/111666-firefox-115-esr-keeping-windows-7-support-alive.html

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/115.36.0esr/

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/115.36.0esr/win64/en-US/

Firefox Setup 115.36.0esr.exe 56M 18-May-2026 12:11

*******

It's possible the problem is your usage of "http" instead of "https".

In the past, the websites were set up to auto-promote you to https.
But an https protocol error, should not be translated/converted into
"Access Denied".

Unlike Internet Explorer, the crypto channel is part of the Firefox
executable, and if issuing Firefox today, the crypto channel in .36
should reflect whatever the Internet is using today for standards.
TLS1.3 and CHACHA20 maybe.

Paul

Thanks. You may like to know that I got this post 3 times over 23
minutes!

Me, and probably many others, too.
--

Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk

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On Sat, 23 May 2026 20:36:25 -0000 (UTC), David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

"David E. Ross" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote in news:10ustpn$2h7n6$1 >@dont-email.me:

On 5/23/2026 11:39 AM, jetjock wrote:

Can anyone tell me why I keep getting this message on Websites that I
used to be able to access all the time? This particular one was from:

You don't have permission to access
"http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/mwmap3.php?" on this server.
Reference #18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62
https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62

I'm not using any VPNs, nor am I using any firewall (to my knowledge
anyway) Using FF v115.21 OeSR 64-bit, but also got it in Chrome
v109.0.5414.120 (Official Build) (64-bit).

I have also gotten it trying to access Kroger.com:

[snipped]
Windows 7
SeaMOnkey 2.53.23

Not even <http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/> works with eaither SeaMonkey or
Firefox 115.36.0esr. However, <https://www.noaa.gov/> does work with
SeaMonkey. I think the site has been extensively revised. What
specifcally on that site were you trying to reach?

Win7Pro with FF here,

The provided links fail. However, starting at the root of each site and >allowing https thay work. Further test to maps failed because I have all >scripting disabled. Enabling php made noaa work.

Could the original poster explain how to get from the site root to the >failing maps. Perhaps then we could duplicate the errors without guessing >if bypassing the site links somehow blocked access.

Thank you.

NOAA used to provide a Site that would give weather for airports. (http://www.wrh.noaa.gov) It appears that since they have revamped
their Site, that function is no longer available. Closest I can find
is https://www.weather.gov/ which is almost useless. https://airportweather.com/ looks a little better.

Still can't figure out why I can't get to Kroger.com!

Thanks to all.

>>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<
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On Sun, 24 May 2026 11:09:54 +0200, Rink
<rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> wrote:

Op 23-5-2026 om 20:39 schreef jetjock:

Can anyone tell me why I keep getting this message on Websites that I
used to be able to access all the time? This particular one was from:

You don't have permission to access
"http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/mwmap3.php?" on this server.
Reference #18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62
https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62

I'm not using any VPNs, nor am I using any firewall (to my knowledge
anyway) Using FF v115.21 OeSR 64-bit, but also got it in Chrome
v109.0.5414.120 (Official Build) (64-bit).

Is this the new page?
https://www.weather.gov/wrh/

Looks like it may be. Doesn't give near the info that the old Site did
though. Thanks!

>>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<
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On 5/24/2026 8:04 AM, jetjock wrote:

On Sat, 23 May 2026 12:05:25 -0700, "David E. Ross"
<nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

On 5/23/2026 11:39 AM, jetjock wrote:

Can anyone tell me why I keep getting this message on Websites that I
used to be able to access all the time? This particular one was from:

You don't have permission to access
"http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/mwmap3.php?" on this server.
Reference #18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62
https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62

I'm not using any VPNs, nor am I using any firewall (to my knowledge
anyway) Using FF v115.21 OeSR 64-bit, but also got it in Chrome
v109.0.5414.120 (Official Build) (64-bit).

I have also gotten it trying to access Kroger.com:

[snipped]
Windows 7
SeaMOnkey 2.53.23

Not even <http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/> works with eaither SeaMonkey or
Firefox 115.36.0esr. However, <https://www.noaa.gov/> does work with
SeaMonkey. I think the site has been extensively revised. What
specifcally on that site were you trying to reach?

Just trying to check weather and shop at Kroger.

>>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<

Repeating:
Windows 7
SeaMonkey 2.53.23

1. Go to <https://www.noaa.gov/weather>.

2. Under "Local forecast", enter location and then select the Go
button. I used my ZIP code.

3. A list of locations based on your entered location might appear. If
so, select the correct location.

Using Firefox 115.36.0esr, the navigation appeared slightly different.

1. Go to <https://www.noaa.gov/weather>.

2. At the top of the page, select "Find your local weather".

3. In the resulting input area, enter your location.

4. A list of locations based on your entered location might appear. If
so, select the correct location.

5. At the top of the resulting page, select the "See full local
forecast" button.
--
David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>
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jetjock,

You don't have permission to access
"http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/mwmap3.php?" on this server.

Neither have I.

I just "googled" the above, and got this back :

https://www.noaa.gov/weather

Maybe thats the new entry ?

As for kroger, my browswer showed it using HTTPS (not HTTP).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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On 5/24/2026 9:01 AM, jetjock wrote:

On Sat, 23 May 2026 20:36:25 -0000 (UTC), David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

"David E. Ross" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote in news:10ustpn$2h7n6$1
@dont-email.me:

On 5/23/2026 11:39 AM, jetjock wrote:

Can anyone tell me why I keep getting this message on Websites that I
used to be able to access all the time? This particular one was from:

You don't have permission to access
"http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/mwmap3.php?" on this server.
Reference #18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62
https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62

I'm not using any VPNs, nor am I using any firewall (to my knowledge
anyway) Using FF v115.21 OeSR 64-bit, but also got it in Chrome
v109.0.5414.120 (Official Build) (64-bit).

I have also gotten it trying to access Kroger.com:

[snipped]
Windows 7
SeaMOnkey 2.53.23

Not even <http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/> works with eaither SeaMonkey or
Firefox 115.36.0esr. However, <https://www.noaa.gov/> does work with
SeaMonkey. I think the site has been extensively revised. What
specifcally on that site were you trying to reach?

Win7Pro with FF here,

The provided links fail. However, starting at the root of each site and
allowing https thay work. Further test to maps failed because I have all >> scripting disabled. Enabling php made noaa work.

Could the original poster explain how to get from the site root to the
failing maps. Perhaps then we could duplicate the errors without guessing >> if bypassing the site links somehow blocked access.

Thank you.

NOAA used to provide a Site that would give weather for airports. (http://www.wrh.noaa.gov) It appears that since they have revamped
their Site, that function is no longer available. Closest I can find
is https://www.weather.gov/ which is almost useless. https://airportweather.com/ looks a little better.

Still can't figure out why I can't get to Kroger.com!

Thanks to all.

>>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<

Windows 7

With SeaMonkey 2.53.23, I can get the home page. However, some images
are greyed-out.

With Firefox 115.36.0esr, I too get "Access Denied".

Aside from the fact that the Kroger server obviously does erroneous
browser sniffing, the Web site has non-standard HTML. The home page has
84 HTML errors.

We do not shop at Ralph's, a Kroger subsidiary; so I will not pursue
this further. If you want to pursue this, I suggest you search for
Kroger's CEO and the corporate address. Then send the CEO a letter
(paper, postage, US Postal Service), pointing out that they are
rejecting a significant audience for their Web site. Also, point out
that the non-standard HTML might impact potential customers who are
visually handicapped using audio browsers, thus violating the Americans
with Disabilities Act (ADA). (Several years ago, the Target Corporation
had to pay $6,000,000 to settle an ADA lawsuit over its non-standard Web
site.)
--
David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>
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On Sun, 5/24/2026 11:33 AM, Java Jive wrote:

On 2026-05-24 16:08, jetjock wrote:

On Sat, 23 May 2026 16:31:33 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>

Until August.

https://www.techspot.com/news/111666-firefox-115-esr-keeping-windows-7-support-alive.html

-a-a http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/115.36.0esr/

-a-a https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/115.36.0esr/win64/en-US/ >>>
-a-a-a-a-a-a Firefox Setup 115.36.0esr.exe-a-a-a-a 56M-a-a-a-a 18-May-2026 12:11

*******

It's possible the problem is your usage of "http" instead of "https".

In the past, the websites were set up to auto-promote you to https.
But an https protocol error, should not be translated/converted into
"Access Denied".

Unlike Internet Explorer, the crypto channel is part of the Firefox
executable, and if issuing Firefox today, the crypto channel in .36
should reflect whatever the Internet is using today for standards.
TLS1.3 and CHACHA20 maybe.

-a-a Paul

Thanks. You may like to know that I got this post 3 times over 23
minutes!

Me, and probably many others, too.

The server was in the process of tipping over.

A portion of the server was restored from backup,
according to the admin who is now catching up on
his sleep.

The third message came in via Paganini.

Paul
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jetjock wrote:

Can anyone tell me why I keep getting this message on Websites that I
used to be able to access all the time?

(snip)

You don't have permission to access "http://www.kroger.com/" on this
server.

This is really weird because I can log into: https://www.kroger.com/account/dashboard/

>>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<

Two strikes against you: Win 7 and Firefox. I have not looked at the
NOAA site so can't help with that, but I can help with retail stores.
Kroger, WalMart, HomeDepot, Lowes and many other seem to have tightened
up their websites to only allow MS Edge and IPhones.

I use mostly Win 7 with either FF-esr or SeaMonkey and get around those
types of websites using a UA string that says Win10 and FF 115.0.
FF 115.0 always seems to work whereas other FF numbers do not:

Create a new UA override and string using about:config:

Name: general.useragent.override
String: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:109.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/115.0

Also: I set general.useragent.compatMode.firefox to False.

The above works for me for most of the websites that I visit.
YouTube needs it's own UA. I tell YT that I am on a Linux Android Apple Safari and it is happy.
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On 25/05/2026 2:05 am, jetjock wrote:

On Sun, 24 May 2026 11:09:54 +0200, Rink
<rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> wrote:

Op 23-5-2026 om 20:39 schreef jetjock:

Can anyone tell me why I keep getting this message on Websites that I
used to be able to access all the time? This particular one was from:

You don't have permission to access
"http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/mwmap3.php?" on this server.
Reference #18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62
https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62

I'm not using any VPNs, nor am I using any firewall (to my knowledge
anyway) Using FF v115.21 OeSR 64-bit, but also got it in Chrome
v109.0.5414.120 (Official Build) (64-bit).

Is this the new page?
https://www.weather.gov/wrh/

Looks like it may be. Doesn't give near the info that the old Site did though. Thanks!

>>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<

Is there something going wrong with Weather Bureaus or what??

About six months ago, the Australian Weather Bureau "updated" their
regional Weather Pages (note the 'regional' as in FARMERS who rely on
the weather for planting, etc.), so that they had to come up with a
"NEW" website .... that looks a hell of a lot like the OLD web-page. ;-)
--
Daniel70
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On 2026-05-24 21:08, Paul wrote:

On Sun, 5/24/2026 11:33 AM, Java Jive wrote:

On 2026-05-24 16:08, jetjock wrote:

On Sat, 23 May 2026 16:31:33 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>

Until August.

https://www.techspot.com/news/111666-firefox-115-esr-keeping-windows-7-support-alive.html

-a-a http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/115.36.0esr/

-a-a https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/115.36.0esr/win64/en-US/

-a-a-a-a-a-a Firefox Setup 115.36.0esr.exe-a-a-a-a 56M-a-a-a-a 18-May-2026 12:11

*******

It's possible the problem is your usage of "http" instead of "https".

In the past, the websites were set up to auto-promote you to https.
But an https protocol error, should not be translated/converted into
"Access Denied".

Unlike Internet Explorer, the crypto channel is part of the Firefox
executable, and if issuing Firefox today, the crypto channel in .36
should reflect whatever the Internet is using today for standards.
TLS1.3 and CHACHA20 maybe.

-a-a Paul

Thanks. You may like to know that I got this post 3 times over 23
minutes!

Me, and probably many others, too.

The server was in the process of tipping over.

A portion of the server was restored from backup,
according to the admin who is now catching up on
his sleep.

The third message came in via Paganini.

Yes, there was something going down that night. When from here in the
UK trying to read the thread's OP I couldn't access the server, I just
went to bed thinking "Too tired, I'll tackle that in the morning!", but
by morning it seemed to have been resolved.
--

Fake news kills!

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On Sun, 24 May 2026 09:11:24 -0700, "David E. Ross"
<nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

On 5/24/2026 8:04 AM, jetjock wrote:

On Sat, 23 May 2026 12:05:25 -0700, "David E. Ross"
<nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

On 5/23/2026 11:39 AM, jetjock wrote:

Can anyone tell me why I keep getting this message on Websites that I
used to be able to access all the time? This particular one was from:

You don't have permission to access
"http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/mwmap3.php?" on this server.
Reference #18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62
https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62

I'm not using any VPNs, nor am I using any firewall (to my knowledge
anyway) Using FF v115.21 OeSR 64-bit, but also got it in Chrome
v109.0.5414.120 (Official Build) (64-bit).

I have also gotten it trying to access Kroger.com:

[snipped]
Windows 7
SeaMOnkey 2.53.23

Not even <http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/> works with eaither SeaMonkey or
Firefox 115.36.0esr. However, <https://www.noaa.gov/> does work with
SeaMonkey. I think the site has been extensively revised. What
specifcally on that site were you trying to reach?

Just trying to check weather and shop at Kroger.

>>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<

Repeating:
Windows 7
SeaMonkey 2.53.23

1. Go to <https://www.noaa.gov/weather>.

2. Under "Local forecast", enter location and then select the Go
button. I used my ZIP code.

3. A list of locations based on your entered location might appear. If
so, select the correct location.

Using Firefox 115.36.0esr, the navigation appeared slightly different.

1. Go to <https://www.noaa.gov/weather>.

2. At the top of the page, select "Find your local weather".

3. In the resulting input area, enter your location.

4. A list of locations based on your entered location might appear. If
so, select the correct location.

5. At the top of the resulting page, select the "See full local
forecast" button.

Thanks!

>>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<
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On Sun, 24 May 2026 19:21:39 +0200, "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid>
wrote:

jetjock,

You don't have permission to access
"http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/mwmap3.php?" on this server.

Neither have I.

I just "googled" the above, and got this back :

https://www.noaa.gov/weather

Maybe thats the new entry ?

As for kroger, my browswer showed it using HTTPS (not HTTP).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

Access still denied with HTTPS


>>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<
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On Sun, 24 May 2026 18:31:01 -0500, Paul in Houston TX
<Paul@Houston.Texas> wrote:

jetjock wrote:

Can anyone tell me why I keep getting this message on Websites that I
used to be able to access all the time?

(snip)

You don't have permission to access "http://www.kroger.com/" on this
server.

This is really weird because I can log into:
https://www.kroger.com/account/dashboard/

>>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<

Two strikes against you: Win 7 and Firefox. I have not looked at the
NOAA site so can't help with that, but I can help with retail stores.
Kroger, WalMart, HomeDepot, Lowes and many other seem to have tightened
up their websites to only allow MS Edge and IPhones.

I use mostly Win 7 with either FF-esr or SeaMonkey and get around those >types of websites using a UA string that says Win10 and FF 115.0.
FF 115.0 always seems to work whereas other FF numbers do not:

Create a new UA override and string using about:config:

Name: general.useragent.override
String: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:109.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/115.0

I have this set as my string in User Agent Masquerade except I have NT
6.1. Changed it to NT 10 and still got denied.

Also: I set general.useragent.compatMode.firefox to False.

The above works for me for most of the websites that I visit.
YouTube needs it's own UA. I tell YT that I am on a Linux Android Apple >Safari and it is happy.

That string is also listed in User Agent Masquerade, but I've never
had a problem with YT, so have never used it.

Tried switching UA to FF 143 and that worked. Switched it to Apple Web
Kit 537.36 'cause it was already listed in User Agent Masquerade and
it worked also! Strange 'cause I thought I had tried 143 before with
no luck, but maybe not.

Thanks.

>>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<
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jetjock <jetjock@unkown.com> on Sat, 23 May 2026 13:39:08 -0500 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following:

Can anyone tell me why I keep getting this message on Websites that I
used to be able to access all the time? This particular one was from:

You don't have permission to access
"http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/mwmap3.php?" on this server.
Reference #18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62 >https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62

I'm not using any VPNs, nor am I using any firewall (to my knowledge
anyway) Using FF v115.21 OeSR 64-bit, but also got it in Chrome >v109.0.5414.120 (Official Build) (64-bit).

In short, your computer (and OS) is too old to support a Modern
Browser with all the kruft now required.

I'm willing to upgrade my browser if they will send me a new
computer.
--
pyotr filipivich
This Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them.
Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm)
Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm)
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On Fri, 6/5/2026 5:03 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:

jetjock <jetjock@unkown.com> on Sat, 23 May 2026 13:39:08 -0500 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following:

Can anyone tell me why I keep getting this message on Websites that I
used to be able to access all the time? This particular one was from:

You don't have permission to access
"http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/mwmap3.php?" on this server.
Reference #18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62
https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62

I'm not using any VPNs, nor am I using any firewall (to my knowledge
anyway) Using FF v115.21 OeSR 64-bit, but also got it in Chrome
v109.0.5414.120 (Official Build) (64-bit).

In short, your computer (and OS) is too old to support a Modern
Browser with all the kruft now required.

I'm willing to upgrade my browser if they will send me a new
computer.

How does it feel, to be using your "last computer" ?

I'm surprised customers are not writing their own browsers :-)
I love to do battle with the "Just a Moment"
status of a CloudFlare block. The CloudFlare operator was
lamenting that Agentic AI traffic now exceeds human traffic.
Well, bud, you're the asshole that made that possible.
Here, have a "Just a Moment". They're free and yours
for thinking you could use the Internet.

Sourceforge.net seems to be using that service now.

Another of my favorite messages, is "we have detected abnormal activity".
Yes, that's me, breathing oxygen. Quite quite abnormal.

I even got a commercial site yesterday, reporting "Error" when
any search at all was attempted. I tested all my browsers, and
not-a-one would work. Not even MSEdge. Spiffy. Here, have an "Error".

Some day, they will build an altar, entitled

"Just the right behavior"

as an example for the citizens to aspire to. You will look
at the altar, the web page that renders, and say things
like "how did they do that?" and "why doesn't it work for me?".

It will seem like only yesterday.

Some day, the CloudFlare guy will be boasting "there don't
seem to be any humans at all on the Internet". Victory!
Just A Moment.

Paul
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On Fri, 05 Jun 2026 14:03:59 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

jetjock <jetjock@unkown.com> on Sat, 23 May 2026 13:39:08 -0500 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following:

Can anyone tell me why I keep getting this message on Websites that I
used to be able to access all the time? This particular one was from:

You don't have permission to access >>"http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/mwmap3.php?" on this server.
Reference #18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62 >>https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62

I'm not using any VPNs, nor am I using any firewall (to my knowledge >>anyway) Using FF v115.21 OeSR 64-bit, but also got it in Chrome >>v109.0.5414.120 (Official Build) (64-bit).

In short, your computer (and OS) is too old to support a Modern
Browser with all the kruft now required.

Oh. Thank you. I, too, get that message. I wondered whether it was
something I had in the "security" bits. It's nice to know that it's
because I'm obsolete and dying. :)

I'm willing to upgrade my browser if they will send me a new
computer.

I, however and on the other hand, am not.

Fuck them.

If they can't make their sites secure without blocking "legacy" kit
then they haven't got the brains of a Zabriskan fontema and they don't
deserve to spread their message.

So, in the eloquent words of the universe's greatest poet, who is me,
fuck them all.

J.
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On Fri, 5 Jun 2026 22:45:25 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 6/5/2026 5:03 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:

jetjock <jetjock@unkown.com> on Sat, 23 May 2026 13:39:08 -0500 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following:

Can anyone tell me why I keep getting this message on Websites that I
used to be able to access all the time? This particular one was from:

You don't have permission to access
"http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/mwmap3.php?" on this server.
Reference #18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62
https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62

I'm not using any VPNs, nor am I using any firewall (to my knowledge
anyway) Using FF v115.21 OeSR 64-bit, but also got it in Chrome
v109.0.5414.120 (Official Build) (64-bit).

In short, your computer (and OS) is too old to support a Modern
Browser with all the kruft now required.

I'm willing to upgrade my browser if they will send me a new
computer.

How does it feel, to be using your "last computer" ?

I'm surprised customers are not writing their own browsers :-)
I love to do battle with the "Just a Moment"
status of a CloudFlare block. The CloudFlare operator was
lamenting that Agentic AI traffic now exceeds human traffic.
Well, bud, you're the asshole that made that possible.
Here, have a "Just a Moment". They're free and yours
for thinking you could use the Internet.

Have you found any way to bypass those ass holes?

Sourceforge.net seems to be using that service now.

Another of my favorite messages, is "we have detected abnormal activity". >Yes, that's me, breathing oxygen. Quite quite abnormal.

I even got a commercial site yesterday, reporting "Error" when
any search at all was attempted. I tested all my browsers, and
not-a-one would work. Not even MSEdge. Spiffy. Here, have an "Error".

I was using a ScoreStream widget in Firefox to monitor the Dodger
games. It suddenly decided that it couldn't connect anymore. Contacted ScoreStream and we spent two days trying different browsers, different
user agents and even a different computer with Win 10. Also tried
iFrame instead of a script. In every case I would get various forms of
"can't connect" messages. They kept saying they hadn't made any
changes. The last error message that I reported to them was

"Firefox Cant Open this Page" to protect your security,
scorestream.com will not allow Firefox to display the page if another
site has embedded it. To see this page, you need to open it in a new
window.

It will work in the new window, but it's a PITA to have to do so!

If I try it in Chrome, all it says is "Scorestream.com refused to
connect". I haven't heard anything from them since! I finally had to
wind up using 365 scores.com which is very poor, but at least it
works.

Some day, they will build an altar, entitled

"Just the right behavior"

as an example for the citizens to aspire to. You will look
at the altar, the web page that renders, and say things
like "how did they do that?" and "why doesn't it work for me?".

It will seem like only yesterday.

Some day, the CloudFlare guy will be boasting "there don't
seem to be any humans at all on the Internet". Victory!
Just A Moment.

As I told the scorestream folks, if this security bullshit gets any
worse, nobody will be able to access anything anymore, and then it
will be totally secure!!

Paul

>>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<
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On Fri, 5 Jun 2026 22:45:25 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 6/5/2026 5:03 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:

jetjock <jetjock@unkown.com> on Sat, 23 May 2026 13:39:08 -0500 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following:

Can anyone tell me why I keep getting this message on Websites that I
used to be able to access all the time? This particular one was from:

You don't have permission to access
"http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/mwmap3.php?" on this server.
Reference #18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62
https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62

I'm not using any VPNs, nor am I using any firewall (to my knowledge
anyway) Using FF v115.21 OeSR 64-bit, but also got it in Chrome
v109.0.5414.120 (Official Build) (64-bit).

In short, your computer (and OS) is too old to support a Modern
Browser with all the kruft now required.

I'm willing to upgrade my browser if they will send me a new
computer.

How does it feel, to be using your "last computer" ?

No, that's not him, that's *me*. And, no, he's not a socky of mine.
He's not even my type. :)

To answer the question, it feels like using the penultimate computer,
only a thousand future quid cheaper. When this one dies, I'll stop
(and don't you wish that were so very soon?) and the planet will
simply have to run without my input. No one will ever notice.

There ain't no fucking way I'm ever having Microsoft's spying malware "telemetry" or bloody "A.I." in my house.

I don't have a "smart phone" for the same reasons.

I'm surprised customers are not writing their own browsers :-)

Me, I'm too lazy.

I love to do battle with the "Just a Moment"
status of a CloudFlare block. The CloudFlare operator was
lamenting that Agentic AI traffic now exceeds human traffic.

That was always going to happen with some sort of automation. Running
a robot is cheap, easy and faster than human thought [not that that is
any great feat most of the time]. Running a human is expensive,
difficult and bloody slow.

You can have a million robots running from one box but only one human
per mouse.

It's like email spam. Automate it and your average email is going to
be spam to a certainty of just about unity. The thin scraping of real, human-generated emails is just about a statistical error.

Well, bud, you're the asshole that made that possible.

We never should have permitted I.S.P's. That's what set the rot in.
Then not jailing those lawyers and taking all of their properties and
incomes as proceeds of criminal activities was the second, smaller
error.

I don't know what we could have jailed them *for* but their lead in
the creation of spam is certainly some sort of criminal.

Here, have a "Just a Moment". They're free and yours
for thinking you could use the Internet.

Sourceforge.net seems to be using that service now.

Cool, thank you. Yet another site to add to the blocked list. :)

Another of my favorite messages, is "we have detected abnormal activity". >Yes, that's me, breathing oxygen. Quite quite abnormal.

Yerp, I get that if I open some things on a lappy after using the
desktop for ages. Apparently, we're only allowed to use one device on
each account. And, if we use a lappy, we're not permitted to actually
*move* it.

"For ages" means "about twice" to some sites. :)

I even got a commercial site yesterday, reporting "Error" when
any search at all was attempted. I tested all my browsers, and
not-a-one would work. Not even MSEdge. Spiffy. Here, have an "Error".

Some day, they will build an altar, entitled

"Just the right behavior"

as an example for the citizens to aspire to. You will look
at the altar, the web page that renders, and say things
like "how did they do that?" and "why doesn't it work for me?".

There's a local bus service. Each day I wait for it around lunchtime,
two or three of them go missing. Other services arrive past my stop
regularly. Some services have two or even three of the same route
running up one another's arses four or five times while *my* service
just vanishes.

I've asked. No one has an explanation. No one knows why this happens.
*I* do.

It's because they hate me. Because I don't go to their church, vote
for their peculator, worship their ball-kickers and eat mayo and
Marmite.

I'm a monster and they hate me so they inconvenience me as much as
they can without getting slammed by the local council for harming
everyone else along with me.

The lesson is: that is why it never works for you. :)

It will seem like only yesterday.

Some day, the CloudFlare guy will be boasting "there don't
seem to be any humans at all on the Internet". Victory!
Just A Moment.

Well, there will always be Archaic Poo. He'll change his name a few
times but he'll still be yantering on.

J.

Paul

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John <Man@the.keyboard> on Sat, 06 Jun 2026 19:44:57 +0100 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:

On Fri, 05 Jun 2026 14:03:59 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

jetjock <jetjock@unkown.com> on Sat, 23 May 2026 13:39:08 -0500 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following:

Can anyone tell me why I keep getting this message on Websites that I >>>used to be able to access all the time? This particular one was from:
You don't have permission to access >>>"http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/mwmap3.php?" on this server.
Reference #18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62 >>>https://errors.edgesuite.net/18.c96bdc17.1779560088.f42cdc62

I'm not using any VPNs, nor am I using any firewall (to my knowledge >>>anyway) Using FF v115.21 OeSR 64-bit, but also got it in Chrome >>>v109.0.5414.120 (Official Build) (64-bit).

In short, your computer (and OS) is too old to support a Modern >>Browser with all the kruft now required.

Oh. Thank you. I, too, get that message. I wondered whether it was
something I had in the "security" bits. It's nice to know that it's
because I'm obsolete and dying. :)

I'm willing to upgrade my browser if they will send me a new >>computer.

I, however and on the other hand, am not.

Fuck them.

If they can't make their sites secure without blocking "legacy" kit
then they haven't got the brains of a Zabriskan fontema and they don't >deserve to spread their message.

So, in the eloquent words of the universe's greatest poet, who is me,
fuck them all.

J.

Damn Straight.
--
pyotr filipivich
This Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them.
Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm)
Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm)
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jetjock <jetjock@unkown.com> on Sat, 06 Jun 2026 13:59:03 -0500 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following:

As I told the scorestream folks, if this security bullshit gets any
worse, nobody will be able to access anything anymore, and then it
will be totally secure!!

Paul

>>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<

The most secure system is one with no network, wife, bluetooth, dial-up, or other connection options, runs on batteries, inside a
faraday cage inside a "secure" facility. For added security, it is
never turned on.

Okay, not very useful, but definitely secure.
--
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This Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them.
Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm)
Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm)
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On 2026/6/6 20:13:25, John wrote:
[]

We never should have permitted I.S.P's. That's what set the rot in.
Then not jailing those lawyers and taking all of their properties and
incomes as proceeds of criminal activities was the second, smaller
error.

I don't know what we could have jailed them *for* but their lead in
the creation of spam is certainly some sort of criminal.

[]
What's an I. S. P'? (In UK, an ISP is an internet service provider, who
vary from good to incompetent/irritating, but rarely evil.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

People worry that computers will get too smart and take over the world,
but the real problem is that they're too stupid and they've already
taken over the world (Pedro Domingos, quoted by Wolf K in
alt.windows7.general 2018-12-10)
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On 7/06/2026 3:40 pm, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

On 2026/6/6 20:13:25, John wrote: []

We never should have permitted I.S.P's. That's what set the rot
in. Then not jailing those lawyers and taking all of their
properties and incomes as proceeds of criminal activities was the
second, smaller error.

I don't know what we could have jailed them *for* but their lead
in the creation of spam is certainly some sort of criminal.

[] What's an I. S. P'? (In UK, an ISP is an internet service
provider, who vary from good to incompetent/irritating, but rarely
evil.)

Beat me to THAT question, J.P.!! ;-P
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Daniel70
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