• Re: Wordpad question

    From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri Mar 20 11:54:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On 3/20/2026 2:24 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
    Than your worpad is different from mine, as mine focusses the text-editing box (the cursor is blinking, I can directly type stuff, etc).
    ha.... my bad. If there is no text in the edit box, CTRL+H will just
    ignore me and do nothing. :)
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  • From R.Wieser@address@is.invalid to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri Mar 20 10:02:09 2026
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    Mr. Man-wai Chang,

    Than your worpad is different from mine, as mine focusses the
    text-editing
    box (the cursor is blinking, I can directly type stuff, etc).

    ha.... my bad. If there is no text in the edit box, CTRL+H will just
    ignore me and do nothing. :)

    Ha, a tit-for-tat : I make a mistake, and you make one to balance it out.
    :-)

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser


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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri Mar 20 21:16:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On 3/20/2026 5:02 PM, R.Wieser wrote:

    Ha, a tit-for-tat : I make a mistake, and you make one to balance it out.
    :-)

    I don't usually use WordPad. Always went for Word instead. :)
    --
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  • From R.Wieser@address@is.invalid to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri Mar 20 15:01:14 2026
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    Mr. Man-wai Chang,

    I don't usually use WordPad. Always went for Word instead. :)

    On my machine (XPsp3) WordPad.exe is just over 200 KByte. Word.exe is less than 6 KByte. Which does mesh with what I heard that the latter is is just
    a wrapper to start the former. iow, they are the same program.

    It just pulled word.exe thru a disassembler, and it indeed does a
    ShellExecute of wordpad.exe.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser


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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri Mar 20 14:26:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On 2026/3/20 14:1:14, R.Wieser wrote:
    Mr. Man-wai Chang,

    I don't usually use WordPad. Always went for Word instead. :)

    On my machine (XPsp3) WordPad.exe is just over 200 KByte. Word.exe is less than 6 KByte. Which does mesh with what I heard that the latter is is just a wrapper to start the former. iow, they are the same program.

    It just pulled word.exe thru a disassembler, and it indeed does a ShellExecute of wordpad.exe.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser


    That's reminiscent of when Wordpad first appeared (Windows 95 IIRR);
    there was still a write.exe present, but it just called Wordpad. (You
    _could_ if you want copy write.exe over from a 3.1 or whatever machine -
    it would _run_ under 95 no problem [though of course still had the old file-handling windows, and I think only 8.3 names]; I did for curiosity,
    but WordPad _was_ superior.)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Better to be a free dog than a chained lion
    - "casandra" on MSE, 2016-6-29
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri Mar 20 14:34:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On 2026/3/20 9:2:9, R.Wieser wrote:
    Mr. Man-wai Chang,

    Than your worpad is different from mine, as mine focusses the
    text-editing
    box (the cursor is blinking, I can directly type stuff, etc).

    ha.... my bad. If there is no text in the edit box, CTRL+H will just
    ignore me and do nothing. :)

    Ha, a tit-for-tat : I make a mistake, and you make one to balance it out. :-)

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser


    A variation of one of those golden rules of usenet and similar fora: if
    you pick someone up on a spelling or grammar error, you'll make one -
    often a worse one - in your post pointing it out.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Better to be a free dog than a chained lion
    - "casandra" on MSE, 2016-6-29
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri Mar 20 23:53:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On 3/20/2026 10:01 PM, R.Wieser wrote:


    On my machine (XPsp3) WordPad.exe is just over 200 KByte. Word.exe is less than 6 KByte. Which does mesh with what I heard that the latter is is just
    a wrapper to start the former. iow, they are the same program.
    What version of Windows are you using? Gotta be an old one! :)
    --
    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat Mar 21 00:00:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On 3/20/2026 10:34 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    A variation of one of those golden rules of usenet and similar fora: if
    you pick someone up on a spelling or grammar error, you'll make one -
    often a worse one - in your post pointing it out.

    Back when there was no electronic word processors, imagine you made a
    mistak at the end of typing a very long essay using a mechanical
    typewriter. Okay, you only need to re-type one page. :)

    One should expect others to make a few mistakes. Not everyone is a scholar.
    --
    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
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  • From Mark Lloyd@not.email@all.invalid to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri Mar 20 17:47:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On Sat, 21 Mar 2026 00:00:52 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    [snip]

    Back when there was no electronic word processors, imagine you made a
    mistak at the end of typing a very long essay using a mechanical
    typewriter. Okay, you only need to re-type one page. :)

    And there's "liquid paper" which if used incorrectly can turn your essay
    into a useless sticky mess.

    One should expect others to make a few mistakes. Not everyone is a
    scholar.
    --
    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "The history of intellectual progress is written in the lives of
    infidels." [Robert G. Ingersoll, speech,, New York City, May 1, 1881]
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  • From R.Wieser@address@is.invalid to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri Mar 20 18:49:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    Mr. Man-wai Chang,

    What version of Windows are you using? Gotta be an old one! :)

    What do you mean old ? It was only in 2017 that I binned Win98 (had little choice, the motherboard died and W98 drivers for the new one could not be found) and advanced to XP. Thats just 9 years ago! :-)

    Joking aside, just as with W98, XP still does what I need it for.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser


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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat Mar 21 12:35:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On 3/21/2026 1:49 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
    Mr. Man-wai Chang,

    What version of Windows are you using? Gotta be an old one! :)

    What do you mean old ? It was only in 2017 that I binned Win98 (had little choice, the motherboard died and W98 drivers for the new one could not be found) and advanced to XP. Thats just 9 years ago! :-)

    Joking aside, just as with W98, XP still does what I need it for.

    I am using Win 10. So my Wordpad is very different from yours. Even the
    menu bar is completely different. :)
    --
    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
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  • From R.Wieser@address@is.invalid to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat Mar 21 10:05:35 2026
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    Mr. Man-wai Chang,

    I am using Win 10. So my Wordpad is very different from yours. Even the
    menu bar is completely different. :)

    <suprised pikachu face> Really ? :-)

    I assumed as much, but also assumed that something basic as a "continue next replace" key, just as the F3 "find next match" key, would have stayed the same. A bit of a gamble, but not a large one.

    And it did stay the same ! That key doesn't exist in my ancient XP, and doesn't exist in your W10 either ! :-)

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser


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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat Mar 21 20:57:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On 3/21/2026 1:47 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Mar 2026 00:00:52 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    [snip]

    Back when there was no electronic word processors, imagine you made a
    mistak at the end of typing a very long essay using a mechanical
    typewriter. Okay, you only need to re-type one page. :)

    And there's "liquid paper" which if used incorrectly can turn your essay
    into a useless sticky mess.


    I think There was correction paper. You place it on the error, then type
    the same letters as the error, so as to punch the white "powder" off the correction paper and stick to the error.

    I forgot its proper name. It's been decades ago. :)
    --
    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat Mar 21 20:59:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On 3/21/2026 5:05 PM, R.Wieser wrote:

    And it did stay the same ! That key doesn't exist in my ancient XP, and doesn't exist in your W10 either ! :-)

    I wish no one got fired because of arguing about this strange missing
    feature (pressing F3 to repeat find-and-replace). There may be stories
    behind it. :)
    --
    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat Mar 21 13:23:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On 2026/3/20 16:0:52, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 3/20/2026 10:34 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    A variation of one of those golden rules of usenet and similar fora: if
    you pick someone up on a spelling or grammar error, you'll make one -
    often a worse one - in your post pointing it out.

    Back when there was no electronic word processors, imagine you made a
    mistak at the end of typing a very long essay using a mechanical
    typewriter. Okay, you only need to re-type one page. :)

    As Mark has pointed out, there was correcting fluid - Tipp-Ex and Liquid
    Paper in UK, White-Out in US. And the fancier electric typewriters that
    used film one-time ribbons had a delete key, like the thing you
    described, that used adhesive tape to lift the erroneous character.

    One should expect others to make a few mistakes. Not everyone is a scholar.

    They're of roughly two types though: the simple typo, which can be
    ignored or picked up and run with - another 'group I take does that, to
    the extent that we have several 'group memes: a male spouse is always
    referred to there as a husbad, and the Brian character (it's a 'group
    about a soap) is always referred to as Biriani. The other type pf error
    is the spelling or grammatical error which - often because it's repeated
    - makes it clear that the poster is under the impression that what they
    typed is correct. One could ignore those too, but I like to _help_ the
    poster (to not continue to appear ignorant of the error) - but I usually
    _try_ not to do so in just a telling-off or showing-off way, but
    humorously, in the hope this will help them (and others reading, if it's
    a common error) remember.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    People may say I can't sing, but no-one can ever say I didn't sing.
    Florence Foster Jenkins (reportedly)
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat Mar 21 11:30:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On Sat, 3/21/2026 9:23 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2026/3/20 16:0:52, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 3/20/2026 10:34 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    A variation of one of those golden rules of usenet and similar fora: if
    you pick someone up on a spelling or grammar error, you'll make one -
    often a worse one - in your post pointing it out.

    Back when there was no electronic word processors, imagine you made a
    mistak at the end of typing a very long essay using a mechanical
    typewriter. Okay, you only need to re-type one page. :)

    As Mark has pointed out, there was correcting fluid - Tipp-Ex and Liquid Paper in UK, White-Out in US. And the fancier electric typewriters that
    used film one-time ribbons had a delete key, like the thing you
    described, that used adhesive tape to lift the erroneous character.

    One should expect others to make a few mistakes. Not everyone is a scholar. >>
    They're of roughly two types though: the simple typo, which can be
    ignored or picked up and run with - another 'group I take does that, to
    the extent that we have several 'group memes: a male spouse is always referred to there as a husbad, and the Brian character (it's a 'group
    about a soap) is always referred to as Biriani. The other type pf error
    is the spelling or grammatical error which - often because it's repeated
    - makes it clear that the poster is under the impression that what they
    typed is correct. One could ignore those too, but I like to _help_ the
    poster (to not continue to appear ignorant of the error) - but I usually _try_ not to do so in just a telling-off or showing-off way, but
    humorously, in the hope this will help them (and others reading, if it's
    a common error) remember.


    Correcting fluid didn't really have that high an attach rate.
    Most of the time, any tech like that, would be "dried out"
    or "half working" when you needed it. And people who typed
    for a living tended to start from scratch, rather than
    produce a sheet of work that smelled like a distillery because
    of correction fluid.

    When our secretary was given a "machine with two floppy drives",
    she refused to use it as intended, and still ran the damn
    thing like an Underwood. She wouldn't save the work to floppy
    and reload, so that the error situation would be convergent
    and eventually you'd get a "perfect copy". I think you can
    imagine how that nerve in my face was twitching while this
    was going on :-)

    In my next project, we did our own typing, "the way God intended" :-)
    There was File:Save and File:Open and I was happy. I didn't have
    the facial twitch after that.

    Paul
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  • From Mark Lloyd@not.email@all.invalid to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat Mar 21 17:31:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On Sat, 21 Mar 2026 20:57:06 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    On 3/21/2026 1:47 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Mar 2026 00:00:52 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    [snip]

    Back when there was no electronic word processors, imagine you made a
    mistak at the end of typing a very long essay using a mechanical
    typewriter. Okay, you only need to re-type one page. :)

    And there's "liquid paper" which if used incorrectly can turn your
    essay into a useless sticky mess.


    I think There was correction paper. You place it on the error, then type
    the same letters as the error, so as to punch the white "powder" off the correction paper and stick to the error.

    I forgot its proper name. It's been decades ago. :)

    I seem to remember a typewriter that had a color selector that could be
    set to black, red, or white. There was no write ribbon. That setting would bypass the ribbon completely, IIRC for the correction paper.
    --
    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "A 'Frisbeterian' believes that when you die, your soul goes up on the
    roof and you can't get it back down."
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat Mar 21 18:21:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On 2026/3/21 17:31:26, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Mar 2026 20:57:06 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    []
    I think There was correction paper. You place it on the error, then type
    the same letters as the error, so as to punch the white "powder" off the
    correction paper and stick to the error.

    I forgot its proper name. It's been decades ago. :)

    I seem to remember a typewriter that had a color selector that could be
    set to black, red, or white. There was no write ribbon. That setting would bypass the ribbon completely, IIRC for the correction paper.

    No, I think the ones that used removal tape were sophisticated - I think
    they had a delete key, and a few-character memory for the last few
    characters typed (so they know what to hit the removal tape with).

    The red-white-black selector lever (I think it might have had a blue
    rather than black spot, so you could see it) selected the red or black
    part of the ribbon; the white position didn't raise the ribbon at all,
    and was for cutting skins for duplicators - the type letters were sharp
    enough to cut into the skins.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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  • From Char Jackson@none@none.invalid to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat Mar 21 19:12:20 2026
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    On Sat, 21 Mar 2026 11:30:46 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

    Correcting fluid didn't really have that high an attach rate.
    Most of the time, any tech like that, would be "dried out"
    or "half working" when you needed it. And people who typed
    for a living tended to start from scratch, rather than
    produce a sheet of work that smelled like a distillery because
    of correction fluid.

    Reminds me of the blonde joke where she put the white-out on the
    computer monitor. Worked fine until she scrolled or printed, I suppose.

    When our secretary was given a "machine with two floppy drives",
    she refused to use it as intended, and still ran the damn
    thing like an Underwood. She wouldn't save the work to floppy
    and reload, so that the error situation would be convergent
    and eventually you'd get a "perfect copy". I think you can
    imagine how that nerve in my face was twitching while this
    was going on :-)

    In the very early days of office PCs, I had a coworker who saved her
    daily report on a 5.25" floppy assigned to her for the purpose. About 3
    months later, she starts asking around, wanting to know why she can't
    save her reports anymore. Turned out that she was using her name as the filename root, followed by two digits. Marsha1.txt to Marsha99.txt were
    ok, but Marsha100.txt broke the 8.3 limit. Mystery solved. She couldn't understand the concept of a new directory, so she was given a new
    floppy.

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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat Mar 21 21:46:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On Sat, 3/21/2026 8:12 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Mar 2026 11:30:46 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

    Correcting fluid didn't really have that high an attach rate.
    Most of the time, any tech like that, would be "dried out"
    or "half working" when you needed it. And people who typed
    for a living tended to start from scratch, rather than
    produce a sheet of work that smelled like a distillery because
    of correction fluid.

    Reminds me of the blonde joke where she put the white-out on the
    computer monitor. Worked fine until she scrolled or printed, I suppose.

    When our secretary was given a "machine with two floppy drives",
    she refused to use it as intended, and still ran the damn
    thing like an Underwood. She wouldn't save the work to floppy
    and reload, so that the error situation would be convergent
    and eventually you'd get a "perfect copy". I think you can
    imagine how that nerve in my face was twitching while this
    was going on :-)

    In the very early days of office PCs, I had a coworker who saved her
    daily report on a 5.25" floppy assigned to her for the purpose. About 3 months later, she starts asking around, wanting to know why she can't
    save her reports anymore. Turned out that she was using her name as the filename root, followed by two digits. Marsha1.txt to Marsha99.txt were
    ok, but Marsha100.txt broke the 8.3 limit. Mystery solved. She couldn't understand the concept of a new directory, so she was given a new
    floppy.


    That's why we had to hurry up and make bigger disk drives,
    so we wouldn't have to explain to people what the limitations were.

    Now my guy, every folder he made was TEMP. And his name wasn't
    even TEMP :-) I used to joke with him, about some of the other
    dramatic possibilities for folder names, but he would laugh and
    just make another TEMP. Maybe we should have introduced him
    to Marsha ? They would make great music together,
    he would make the folders and she would make the files.

    Paul
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  • From lisa@not.in.use@home.invalid to alt.windows7.general on Sun Mar 22 10:26:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On Sat, 21 Mar 2026 20:57:06 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:


    And there's "liquid paper" which if used incorrectly can turn your essay
    into a useless sticky mess.

    it's called tipp-ex
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.windows7.general on Sun Mar 22 13:19:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On 2026/3/22 9:26:20, lisa wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Mar 2026 20:57:06 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:


    And there's "liquid paper" which if used incorrectly can turn your essay >>> into a useless sticky mess.

    it's called tipp-ex

    Correcting fluid. Various trade names: in UK, Tipp-ex, Liquid Paper, and various other names, as well as unnamed own brands in stationery chains
    and those supermarkets that have a stationery section; in US, White-Out
    and other names.

    Now rare, of course, like typewriters.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    ... the greatest musical festival in the world that doesn't involve
    mud. - Eddie Mair, RT 2014/8/16-22
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.windows7.general on Sun Mar 22 13:36:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On Sun, 3/22/2026 9:19 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2026/3/22 9:26:20, lisa wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Mar 2026 20:57:06 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
    <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:


    And there's "liquid paper" which if used incorrectly can turn your essay >>>> into a useless sticky mess.

    it's called tipp-ex

    Correcting fluid. Various trade names: in UK, Tipp-ex, Liquid Paper, and various other names, as well as unnamed own brands in stationery chains
    and those supermarkets that have a stationery section; in US, White-Out
    and other names.

    Now rare, of course, like typewriters.


    Some corrector liquids were much worse than others. That's why sheets got retyped.
    I may have only seen a corrector-cartridge one time, and that
    did a decent job. But the stuff you dab on (methylene chloride
    solvent perhaps), those were dreadful, as they required your
    skills versus the properties of paper fiber. And one dab too many,
    created a visible admission of error for all to see :-)

    I think typewriters are still hiding in places we don't
    see or visit much. The TV sets we type on, aren't
    that much of an improvement :-) For some users, it's tactile,
    and they like the feel of the machine. A unique kind of
    keyswitch in a sense, "better than a Cherry".

    If your copy is on paper, now you need the "fax machine", that
    thing of antiquity, to quickly deliver your creation elsewhere.
    (You can hear the steam engines in the background, when the fax runs.)

    An attempt here to remove fax machines from a process, actually
    failed, and the fax machines are *still* being used. Pity
    the participants.

    I sure hope I don't get caught up in one of those, because we used to
    be told "if the fax doesn't get there, here is a copy of the paperwork
    and *you* send it a second time to ensure it gets through". In
    other words, when fax is involved, *you* are the error correction
    algorithm. I fondly remember digging my fax modem out of stores
    and "finding something to connect it too". What had happened, is
    the ninny running the fax, was using an "old phone number",
    and looking on the web, I was eventually able to trace the
    number that should have been used, sent the fax and all was well.
    I'm on VOIP now, and it's not at all clear I can still do that :-)
    I'll have to get out my carriage pigeon and strap the item
    to the bottom of that.

    And if all else fails, I still have the original two tomato
    tins and cotton string that Marconi used when he ordered a pizza.

    Redundancy is the key to modern life. Don't throw out that buggy
    whip, "you might need it".

    Paul
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    On 2026/3/22 17:36:55, Paul wrote:
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    Some corrector liquids were much worse than others. That's why sheets got retyped.
    I may have only seen a corrector-cartridge one time, and that
    did a decent job. But the stuff you dab on (methylene chloride

    If you mean the typewriters that had a delete key, that worked
    reasonably well because they also used film ribbon, rather than soaked
    ribbon - the hammer (or more likely golfball or daisywheel) actually
    punched the letter out of the film (security hole: the used ribbons
    could be used to see what had been typed; there's a very fanciful
    episode of NCIS that used this, but I think they genuinely weren't
    allowed - or, the used ribbon cartridges had to be collected in a
    controlled manner - in offices that handled classified material). As
    such, hammering with the same character on correcting tape, which was
    basically adhesive tape, would lift the incorrect character off the
    paper quite successfully. I think it had to be within a reasonable time
    after the error, so it didn't have time to adhere properly - but then it
    would have been while the paper was still in the machine, to get the
    alignment right anyway.

    solvent perhaps), those were dreadful, as they required your
    skills versus the properties of paper fiber. And one dab too many,
    created a visible admission of error for all to see :-)

    I noticed, the other day when looking for staples, correcting _tape_ is
    still available - I don't mean lift-off as above, I mean something to go
    over the error, much as the correcting _fluid_ was: it was being sold in
    a dispenser that looked perhaps like a snail. I've never used it, but I
    can imagine it might well work better than the fluid: that did tend to
    dry up, and/or the little brush come away from the top. I have faint
    memories of using some sort of thinner to rejuvenate such bottles, but
    can't remember whether that was "official" or just something someone
    ingenious at somewhere I worked had devised.

    I think typewriters are still hiding in places we don't
    see or visit much. The TV sets we type on, aren't
    that much of an improvement :-) For some users, it's tactile,
    and they like the feel of the machine. A unique kind of
    keyswitch in a sense, "better than a Cherry".

    My blind friend - born 1951Q3 - had been an audio typist by profession,
    and was very particular about keyboards (though she did have one of the
    Apple flattish ones, which puzzled me). Having, I think, learnt on
    completely manual typewriters, she didn't half hit the keys!

    I like the _sound_ - and for others that do, Leos's "Noisy Keyboard"
    does IMO a very good imitation, complete with different sounds for space
    and newline. Get it (and Noisy Mouse if you wish) from https://leeos.epizy.com/?i=2 - note, I live alone; if you don't, you may
    not be popular if you install it, unless you turn it down very quiet! It
    works fine under Windows 10-64 - and 7-32, and XP. I initially installed
    it as a novelty, but now miss the audible feedback when I have to use
    another machine.

    If your copy is on paper, now you need the "fax machine", that
    thing of antiquity, to quickly deliver your creation elsewhere.
    (You can hear the steam engines in the background, when the fax runs.)

    :-) I think I do remember using "print to fax"; I certainly remember
    having the facility. (Used to be a common - though not universal -
    feature of MoDem drivers.)

    An attempt here to remove fax machines from a process, actually
    failed, and the fax machines are *still* being used. Pity
    the participants.

    There was a time when a fax held some slight legal advantage.

    I sure hope I don't get caught up in one of those, because we used to
    be told "if the fax doesn't get there, here is a copy of the paperwork
    and *you* send it a second time to ensure it gets through". In
    other words, when fax is involved, *you* are the error correction
    algorithm. I fondly remember digging my fax modem out of stores

    I recently found some documents (I run my printer, for unimportant
    stuff, on scrap paper that's only been used on one side, and this had
    worked itself to the top of the pile) from when I sold my last home that involved faxing, and that would have been 2007.

    and "finding something to connect it too". What had happened, is
    the ninny running the fax, was using an "old phone number",
    and looking on the web, I was eventually able to trace the
    number that should have been used, sent the fax and all was well.

    So there still was a machine - or, perhaps, an electronic storage device
    - on the other end.

    I'm on VOIP now, and it's not at all clear I can still do that :-)

    I know that, despite all the compromises that screwed up other things,
    landline connections - even where line combiners (DACS etc.) and so on
    were involved - still had to support fax; I'd be (slightly) surprised if
    the same doesn't apply to VoIP.

    I'll have to get out my carriage pigeon and strap the item
    to the bottom of that.

    There are a couple of nice RFCs to do with use of avian carriers - audit trails, self-sustaining, packet size ... :-)

    And if all else fails, I still have the original two tomato
    tins and cotton string that Marconi used when he ordered a pizza.

    Redundancy is the key to modern life. Don't throw out that buggy
    whip, "you might need it".

    Paul

    I _do_ still have some old MoDems, though I doubt I'd find drivers for
    them now - mostly plug-in cards anyway; some external, but I don't think
    I have anything with a serial port now. (I do have somewhere a USB to
    serial "cable" [and a parallel one too], but not sure I've ever used
    them.) My first one was a metal box, model "Enterprise", make "Kirk" -
    yes, a Kirk's Enterprise! - that was 300 baud (I think it had a fast
    mode 300/1200).
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