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Very simple: in order to see the whole of spreadsheet in an email,
clicked on the "View in Excel".
Which promptly took me to the Window Office 365 sales page.

Delete cache, cookies, switch to different browser - nope, Microsoft
has hijacked Outlook on that machine. Go to second account, same
story.

Eventually did find how to get passed that, but for how long?
{Trick is to go directly to https//login.live.com, which takes your MS
account, login there, and then to Outlook. Charming.)

Advice of geek Son in Law, switch to T-bird. This I can do, I've used
T-bird before. However, any pointers on how to get T-Bird through all
that to download a decade or more's emails?
tschus
pyotr
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pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

Very simple: in order to see the whole of spreadsheet in an email,
clicked on the "View in Excel".
Which promptly took me to the Window Office 365 sales page.

Delete cache, cookies, switch to different browser - nope, Microsoft
has hijacked Outlook on that machine. Go to second account, same
story.

Eventually did find how to get passed that, but for how long?
{Trick is to go directly to https//login.live.com, which takes your MS account, login there, and then to Outlook. Charming.)

Advice of geek Son in Law, switch to T-bird. This I can do, I've used
T-bird before. However, any pointers on how to get T-Bird through all
that to download a decade or more's emails?
tschus
pyotr

Are you talking about Outlook, the standalone client that runs on your computer, or about Outlook.com which is a website? One is a local
e-mail client. The other is a web app to an online service. They are
separate methods of accessing e-mail.

Do you have Excel, the local spreadsheet program, on your computer, or
do links for spreadsheets have to go to the website to use their web app
to view the document?
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On Wed, 3/4/2026 5:48 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:

Very simple: in order to see the whole of spreadsheet in an email,
clicked on the "View in Excel".
Which promptly took me to the Window Office 365 sales page.

Delete cache, cookies, switch to different browser - nope, Microsoft
has hijacked Outlook on that machine. Go to second account, same
story.

Eventually did find how to get passed that, but for how long?
{Trick is to go directly to https//login.live.com, which takes your MS account, login there, and then to Outlook. Charming.)

Advice of geek Son in Law, switch to T-bird. This I can do, I've used
T-bird before. However, any pointers on how to get T-Bird through all
that to download a decade or more's emails?
tschus
pyotr

https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/115.18.0esr/releasenotes/

Note that Thunderbird 115 is the final release to support Windows 7 and Windows 8

You can navigate up and down this tree, to get the language and version as you like.
For example, if your Windows 7 was 32 bit (x86), you would go up two levels
and select win32.

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/115.18.0/win64/en-US/

As you would expect, the Import interface can change with version. And
the word "Outlook" as been used more than once for tools. On Windows 7 it should be reasonably clear what version is meant (Legacy), but with instructions
like this you can never be sure.

"Import all Outlook data

Open Thunderbird. Click on the three vertical lines, then select Tools, then Import.
Select the import source from Outlook and click on the Continue button.
Choose the items you wish to import and click the Continue button.
In the final confirmation step, you'll see a summary of your choices.
"

This suggests the transfer method uses COM, as it requires Outlook
to be running when the Import on Thunderbird is attempted.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/thunderbird-import

But you can try that much, and see if it works.

Note that, when you start Thunderbird for the first time, the menu bar
is not turned on. Right click in the upper region of the useless initial screens, and there should be a menu with the words "Menu Bar" and by selecting that, it should cause a menu bar to appear. This may give you a few more options
while working with the various recipes. Maybe you could find Tools : Options that way.

Paul


Paul
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Your Honor, there is a newsgroup: alt.comp.software.thunderbird !!

On 3/5/2026 6:48 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:

Very simple: in order to see the whole of spreadsheet in an email,
clicked on the "View in Excel".
Which promptly took me to the Window Office 365 sales page.

Delete cache, cookies, switch to different browser - nope, Microsoft
has hijacked Outlook on that machine. Go to second account, same
story.

Eventually did find how to get passed that, but for how long?
{Trick is to go directly to https//login.live.com, which takes your MS account, login there, and then to Outlook. Charming.)

Advice of geek Son in Law, switch to T-bird. This I can do, I've used
T-bird before. However, any pointers on how to get T-Bird through all
that to download a decade or more's emails?
tschus
pyotr

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On 2026-03-07 06:47, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

Advice of geek Son in Law, switch to T-bird.-a This I can do, I've used T-bird before. However, any pointers on how to get T-Bird through all
that to download a decade or more's emails?
tschus
pyotr

Depends where is all that email. Is it in an imap server? Just point TB
to it.
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Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> on Wed, 4 Mar 2026 19:07:45 -0500 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following:

As you would expect, the Import interface can change with version. And
the word "Outlook" as been used more than once for tools. On Windows 7 it >should be reasonably clear what version is meant (Legacy), but with instructions
like this you can never be sure.

"Import all Outlook data

Open Thunderbird. Click on the three vertical lines, then select Tools, then Import.
Select the import source from Outlook and click on the Continue button.
Choose the items you wish to import and click the Continue button.
In the final confirmation step, you'll see a summary of your choices.
"

This suggests the transfer method uses COM, as it requires Outlook
to be running when the Import on Thunderbird is attempted.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/thunderbird-import

Thanks for the pointers.
I'm going to have to get time on her machine to do all this, "we'll
see what blows up"

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Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm)
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VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> on Sat, 7 Mar 2026 06:45:52 -0600 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

Very simple: in order to see the whole of spreadsheet in an email,
clicked on the "View in Excel".
Which promptly took me to the Window Office 365 sales page.

Delete cache, cookies, switch to different browser - nope, Microsoft
has hijacked Outlook on that machine. Go to second account, same
story.

Eventually did find how to get passed that, but for how long?
{Trick is to go directly to https//login.live.com, which takes your MS
account, login there, and then to Outlook. Charming.)

Advice of geek Son in Law, switch to T-bird. This I can do, I've used
T-bird before. However, any pointers on how to get T-Bird through all
that to download a decade or more's emails?
tschus
pyotr

Are you talking about Outlook, the standalone client that runs on your
computer, or about Outlook.com which is a website? One is a local
e-mail client. The other is a web app to an online service. They are
separate methods of accessing e-mail.

Sorry
Accessing Live.com through Outlook on Firefox.

Do you have Excel, the local spreadsheet program, on your computer, or
do links for spreadsheets have to go to the website to use their web app
to view the document?

You never mention a local e-mail client, but do mention outlook.com. >Supposedly that means you are using a web browser to use Microsoft's
webmail app at outlook.com.

Yes.

In order to see the e-mail with the .xls
attachment, you would have had to already be logged into outlook.com.
Why would you need to login again?

variation on the reboot the computer. Shut down browser, see if
the link it the tab will go to Outlook.com.

In the MS webmail app, there is a left pane with links to Mail,
Calendar, People, To Do, Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Groups, and OneNote.
After visiting outlook.com and logging into your account
(outlook.live.com), do you still see the MS 365 sales page when clicking

Going to Outlook.com redirects to MS 365 sales page, every time.
Do not have an MS Account, nor Office365 or precursors.

on the Excel link (excel.cloud.microsoft) in that left navigation pane?
I wouldn't be surprised, but would expect it to be an sometime event.
After all, Microsoft doesn't exist to provide you with free services.
They will advertise their paid services, so they can stay in business.

There is advertising their subscriptions and there is denying
access to Outlook.com.

Something else you may have not noticed about Microsoft's webmail app:
it shows fake e-mails that are endorsed advertisers that pay Microsoft
to show those fake e-mails. Those are MS curated ads not e-mailed to
you, but directly injected by MS into your account. You will see an
"Ad" icon on those fake e-mails. To hide those fake e-mails that are
curated ads has you configure your outlook.com account settings to
enable or disable the Focused Inbox "feature". I don't remember which
way the setting will end up hiding the fake e-mail ads. I don't have
any such fake e-mails (MS curated ads) to view at the moment. I think
you have to enable Focused Inbox whereupon the fake e-mail ads are shown
in the Other tab of the Inbox folder. My concern is their AI to
determine which e-mails should get focus could mean I miss seeing
important e-mails, because I don't visit the Other tab; however, it is
rare that I use the MS webmail app.

It is even rarer for us to us "the app". As in "nope."

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/focused-inbox-for-outlook-f445ad7f-02f4-4294-a82e-71d8964e3978
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/what-is-focused-inbox-16b24373-dfa9-4139-ab19-08aa753a6055

Another way to hide the fake e-mails is to not use their webmail app,
but to use a non-MS local e-mail client. Those fake e-mail ads really
are not in your Inbox. MS just pretends that is where they are.
Marking them as Spam has no effect, because the spammer is Microsoft.
new Outlook is not a true local e-mail client. It is a web interface to >outlook.com. I use the standalone local MS Outlook e-mail client, but
just about any local e-mail client won't support the advertising API at >outlook.com. Another way to avoid the fake e-mails that are MS curated
ads is the pay for an MS 365 service.

Good to know.

Microsoft is a business that stays in business by selling products and >services. They are not your parents. There can be costs to
freeloading, especially with commercialware whether free or not. I also >freeload on MS services. If I can find a way to get around their ads, I
do so, but MS is clever. To support freeloaders, MS uses curated ads.
They also will sporadically show interstitial pages to advertise their
paid products and services.

Microsoft no longer sells software. It rents it to you. Operating system, programs, everything is rented to you, and they get change
things at will. They will insist you regularly buy a new computer
because they have made their software impossible to run on their old
OS.
IMHO, M$ is still the Evil Empire, Windows is the largest piece of bloated malware in my computer.
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Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm)
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"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> on Sat, 7 Mar 2026 22:44:07
+0100 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:

On 2026-03-07 06:47, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

Advice of geek Son in Law, switch to T-bird.a This I can do, I've used
T-bird before. However, any pointers on how to get T-Bird through all
that to download a decade or more's emails?
tschus
pyotr

Depends where is all that email. Is it in an imap server? Just point TB
to it.

Eek. I think I'm going have the TechnoGeek son in law over. I
suppose I can dig through how to do that. I haven't gotten anything
else done this month.
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This Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them.
Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm)
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pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

Going to Outlook.com redirects to MS 365 sales page, every time.
Do not have an MS Account, nor Office365 or precursors.

I don't see any interstitial ad page. I'm a freeloader. Could be
related to reputation: the longer you have an MS account without
incident (no spam reported against you, no lockout due to bulk mailing,
etc) the less likely you incur interference. Microsoft does not publish
how they grade your reputation since spammers would love to know, too.
The longer you have an MS account, and you use it regularly, and you
don't incur incidents against your reputation (no spamming by you, no
exceeding max quota for sending, no bulk mailing, no spammy behavior)
you gain more reputation over time. You have none with a new MS
account. I've been using Hotmail (c.1998) before Microsoft acquired it,
never been hacked, never had the account suspended, never sent spam
(which includes bulk mailing, like for mail merge).

You're logging into outlook.com, so you *do* have an MS account.

Something else you may have not noticed about Microsoft's webmail app:
it shows fake e-mails that are endorsed advertisers that pay Microsoft
to show those fake e-mails. Those are MS curated ads not e-mailed to
you, but directly injected by MS into your account. You will see an
"Ad" icon on those fake e-mails. To hide those fake e-mails that are >>curated ads has you configure your outlook.com account settings to
enable or disable the Focused Inbox "feature". I don't remember which
way the setting will end up hiding the fake e-mail ads. I don't have
any such fake e-mails (MS curated ads) to view at the moment. I think
you have to enable Focused Inbox whereupon the fake e-mail ads are shown
in the Other tab of the Inbox folder. My concern is their AI to
determine which e-mails should get focus could mean I miss seeing
important e-mails, because I don't visit the Other tab; however, it is
rare that I use the MS webmail app.

It is even rarer for us to us "the app". As in "nope."

Sounds like you are using their webmail app. If you use a web browser
to connect to outlook.com, you use their webmail app.

If you use their webmail app (or their new Outlook client which is
merely a web interface to their webmail service), you suffer their
curated ads which look like e-mails in your Inbox. With Focused Inbox
enabled, there are 2 tabs in the Inbox: Focused, and Other. The curated
ads show up in Other *if* Focused Inbox is enabled; else, they appear in
the Inbox (which has to tabs for different views).

If you use a local e-mail client, there is no Focused Inbox option. You
only see the Inbox, and there won't be any curated ads in your Inbox.

webmail app: Not a local e-mail client. You connect to their webmail app
using the web browser.

new Outlook: a fake local e-mail client that runs as a local web app to
access their website, so just a different web browser as the interface.

Outlook (standalone client), Thunderbird, Betterbird, eM Client, and so
on are standalone local e-mail clients. They cannot see nor use the ad
API to show the curated ads MS wants to push at you using the above two
methods (unless you login with a paid account, not a free account).
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On 2026-03-08 03:32, pyotr filipivich wrote:

"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> on Sat, 7 Mar 2026 22:44:07
+0100 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:

On 2026-03-07 06:47, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

Advice of geek Son in Law, switch to T-bird.-a This I can do, I've used
T-bird before. However, any pointers on how to get T-Bird through all
that to download a decade or more's emails?
tschus
pyotr

Depends where is all that email. Is it in an imap server? Just point TB
to it.

Eek. I think I'm going have the TechnoGeek son in law over. I
suppose I can dig through how to do that. I haven't gotten anything
else done this month.

The easy way is having all that email in an imap server already.

If some folders are local, you just copy the folders, one by one, to a suitable imap server. You copy one folder from outlook, next you move
from the imap server to TB. A bit tedious, but doable.

Another possibility is having a local (same computer or in the LAN) imap server to do the transfer. You can move the local folders to the imap
local server instead; then you can read those folders both in outlook or TB.

I can not suggest a local imap server software to do that in Windows,
because I use Linux. But that is precisely what I do.


Decades ago, Netscape running in Windows could import directly from
Outlook. I don't know it TB can still do that. Netscape did that by
calling directly the dlls of the other tool.
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ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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"Carlos E.R." wrote:

Decades ago, Netscape running in Windows could import directly from
Outlook. I don't know it TB can still do that. Netscape did that by
calling directly the dlls of the other tool.

Tools > Import fro Outlook still exists in TB, it won't do anything here
since I don't have a MAPI profile setup ...

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VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

Very simple: in order to see the whole of spreadsheet in an email,
clicked on the "View in Excel".
Which promptly took me to the Window Office 365 sales page.

Delete cache, cookies, switch to different browser - nope, Microsoft
has hijacked Outlook on that machine. Go to second account, same
story.

Eventually did find how to get passed that, but for how long?
{Trick is to go directly to https//login.live.com, which takes your MS
account, login there, and then to Outlook. Charming.)

Advice of geek Son in Law, switch to T-bird. This I can do, I've used
T-bird before. However, any pointers on how to get T-Bird through all
that to download a decade or more's emails?
tschus
pyotr

Are you talking about Outlook, the standalone client that runs on your computer, or about Outlook.com which is a website? One is a local
e-mail client. The other is a web app to an online service. They are separate methods of accessing e-mail.

Do you have Excel, the local spreadsheet program, on your computer, or
do links for spreadsheets have to go to the website to use their web app
to view the document?

You never mention a local e-mail client, but do mention outlook.com.
Supposedly that means you are using a web browser to use Microsoft's
webmail app at outlook.com. In order to see the e-mail with the .xls attachment, you would have had to already be logged into outlook.com.
Why would you need to login again?

In the MS webmail app, there is a left pane with links to Mail,
Calendar, People, To Do, Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Groups, and OneNote.
After visiting outlook.com and logging into your account
(outlook.live.com), do you still see the MS 365 sales page when clicking
on the Excel link (excel.cloud.microsoft) in that left navigation pane?
I wouldn't be surprised, but would expect it to be an sometime event.
After all, Microsoft doesn't exist to provide you with free services.
They will advertise their paid services, so they can stay in business.

Something else you may have not noticed about Microsoft's webmail app:
it shows fake e-mails that are endorsed advertisers that pay Microsoft
to show those fake e-mails. Those are MS curated ads not e-mailed to
you, but directly injected by MS into your account. You will see an
"Ad" icon on those fake e-mails. To hide those fake e-mails that are
curated ads has you configure your outlook.com account settings to
enable or disable the Focused Inbox "feature". I don't remember which
way the setting will end up hiding the fake e-mail ads. I don't have
any such fake e-mails (MS curated ads) to view at the moment. I think
you have to enable Focused Inbox whereupon the fake e-mail ads are shown
in the Other tab of the Inbox folder. My concern is their AI to
determine which e-mails should get focus could mean I miss seeing
important e-mails, because I don't visit the Other tab; however, it is
rare that I use the MS webmail app.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/focused-inbox-for-outlook-f445ad7f-02f4-4294-a82e-71d8964e3978
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/what-is-focused-inbox-16b24373-dfa9-4139-ab19-08aa753a6055

Another way to hide the fake e-mails is to not use their webmail app,
but to use a non-MS local e-mail client. Those fake e-mail ads really
are not in your Inbox. MS just pretends that is where they are.
Marking them as Spam has no effect, because the spammer is Microsoft.
new Outlook is not a true local e-mail client. It is a web interface to outlook.com. I use the standalone local MS Outlook e-mail client, but
just about any local e-mail client won't support the advertising API at outlook.com. Another way to avoid the fake e-mails that are MS curated
ads is the pay for an MS 365 service.

Microsoft is a business that stays in business by selling products and services. They are not your parents. There can be costs to
freeloading, especially with commercialware whether free or not. I also freeload on MS services. If I can find a way to get around their ads, I
do so, but MS is clever. To support freeloaders, MS uses curated ads.
They also will sporadically show interstitial pages to advertise their
paid products and services.
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On 2026-03-08 14:59, Andy Burns wrote:

"Carlos E.R." wrote:

Decades ago, Netscape running in Windows could import directly from
Outlook. I don't know it TB can still do that. Netscape did that by
calling directly the dlls of the other tool.

Tools > Import fro Outlook still exists in TB, it won't do anything here since I don't have a MAPI profile setup ...

MAPI. I remember that name from looong ago.
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ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> on Sun, 8 Mar 2026 14:42:36
+0100 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:

Decades ago, Netscape running in Windows could import directly from
Outlook. I don't know it TB can still do that. Netscape did that by
calling directly the dlls of the other tool.

From what I was able to do the last time is to install T-bird
31.8, which can still import form Outlook (and Eudora).

I'm going to be giving that a try "real soon now"
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Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm)
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