From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

This is pretty long-winded but I'd really like some help so tried to
provide plenty of clues.

Recently my ISP prevented me from getting my email in Winxp, so
spending my main time in Win7 now. I have to get my email via Firefox
browser.

I am struggling with Eudora, an obsolete email client I've been using
in WinXP forever. I installed Eudora in Win7 and it never worked
right, BUT Eudora has the capability of creating mailboxes and
sub-mailboxes (like sub folders, tiers, the only email client that can
do it) that are useful for remembering much useful info. I USED to be
able to create/edit Eudora mailboxes in Winxp's Eudora, then
copy/paste these xp mailboxes into Win7's Eudora folders when I was
booted into Win7. And Win7's Eudora could deal with it.

Until it couldn't. For some reason this little operation wrecks Win7
Eudora now. Also I can't create a mailbox from within Win7's Eudora,
that also wrecks Eudora.
Eudora's complaint is: "Error accessing file C:\users\earl\AppData\local\Temp\eudxxxx.tmp"
"Cause: No such file or directory exists"

A search on C: drive finds no such file except in that above location.

Deleting the offending mailbox USUALLY allows Eudora to start up
again, but not always, sometimes Eudora in dead in the water and won't
start up. Uninstalling/reinstalling Eudora doesn't help.

Downloaded REVO supposedly a powerful uninstaller to get rid of
remnants of Eudora, no help. It does show me Eudora-related stuff in
Registry it recommends deleting with its Uninstall. (possibility for
editing?). Took some screen shots, but there's a hell of a lot of
them.
https://i.postimg.cc/DwPHs96H/Eudora-Registry1.jpg
Can't figure how to PrtScrn all of them into Paint without multiple
Revo Uninstalls and reinstalls of Eudora.

Only way I can get Win7's Eudora to run again when its completey
f**ked is to Macrium Restore a recent backup image of the C: drive for
Win7. Tried usingSystem Restore just f**ked things up. Try Registry
restore next time.

I did a Macrium8 folder Backup of WinXP's Eudora mydata folder (this
is the folder that contains all of its mailboxes [a couple hundred])
plus 2 new mailboxes I added.
Then I did a Macrium8 Restore of that backup image while booted into
Win7, and Restored it into mydata1, which the name of Eudora's mailbox
folder in Win7's Eudora. I can "pick a folder to Restore to" , every
thing LOOKED to behave normally and Mac reported success. BUT the two
new mailboxes I'd added to Winxp's Eudora didn't get added into
mydata1. Either Mac8 knew, somehow, not to copy it or Mac8 Restore
operation failed somehow.

Hand copied to two new mailboxes into mydata1, then reinstalled Eudora
(an Uninstall doesn't wipe out this folder). Eudora installs, then
barfs on the two added mailboxes until I remove them.

I have Win7 installed twice on this Abit machine, one on the hard
drive and one on an ssd, where it's about 10%? faster. I've been
mostly using the ssd one for a couple of years. So I went back to Win7
on the hard drive, but it gives me the same Eudora errors, BUT I USED
TO BE ABLE TO COPY MAILBOXES OVER AND ADD NEW ONES IN WIN7 AND NOW I
CAN'T. (screaming in frustration)

On Win11, the Asus build, I find I CAN copy a new mailbox into its
mydata folder and its Eudora starts up successfully afterward. Can't
send or receive email, which has been the case for years, have to use
browser, but I AM able to utilize its mailboxes. Interestingly a
Restore of a Macrium8 folder backup fails the same way it did in Win7.
I think Mac8 has a bug .

Does all this malarkey strike a chord with anyone? I'd sure like to
have my Win7 Eudora back.
























This is pretty long-winded but I'd really like some help so tried to
provide plenty of clues.


Recently my ISP prevented me from getting my email in Winxp, so
spending my main time in Win7 now. I have to get my email via Firefox
browser.

I am struggling with Eudora, an obsolete email client I've been using
in WinXP forever. I installed in Win7 and it never worked right, BUT
Eudora has the capability of creating mailboxes and sub-mailboxes
(like sub folders, tiers, the only email client that can do it) that
are useful for remembering much useful info. I USED to be able to
create/edit Eudora mailboxes in Winxp's Eudora, then copy/paste these
xp mailboxes into Win7's Eudora folders when I was booted into Win7.
And Win7's Eudora could deal with it.

Until it couldn't. For some reason this little operation wrecks Win7
Eudora now. Also I can't create a mailbox from within Win7's Eudora,
that also wrecks Eudora.
Eudora's complaint is: "Error accessing file C:\users\earl\AppData\local\Temp\eudxxxx.tmp"
"Cause: No such file or directory exists"

A search on C: drive finds no such file except in that above location.

Deleting the offending mailbox USUALLY allows Eudora to start up
again, but not always, sometimes Eudora in dead in the water and won't
start up. Uninstalling/reinstalling Eudora doesn't help.

Downloaded REVO supposedly a powerful uninstaller to get rid of
remnants of Eudora, no help. It does show me Eudora-related stuff in
Registry it recommends deleting with its Uninstall. (possibility for
editing?). Took some screen shots, but there's a hell of a lot of
them.
https://i.postimg.cc/DwPHs96H/Eudora-Registry1.jpg
Can't figure how to PrtScrn all of them into Paint without multiple
Revo Uninstalls and reinstalls of Eudora.

Only way I can get Win7's Eudora to run again when its completey
f**ked is to Macrium Restore a recent backup image of the C: drive for
Win7. Tried usingSystem Restore just f**ked things up. Try Registry
restore next time.

I did a Macrium8 folder Backup of WinXP's Eudora mydata folder (this
is the folder that contains all of its mailboxes [a couple hundred])
plus 2 new mailboxes I added.
Then I did a Macrium8 Restore of that backup image while booted into
Win7, and Restored it into mydata1, which the name of Eudora's mailbox
folder in Win7's Eudora. I can "pick a folder to Restore to" , every
thing LOOKED to behave normally and Mac reported success. BUT the two
new mailboxes I'd added to Winxp's Eudora didn't get added into
mydata1. Either Mac8 knew, somehow, not to copy it or Mac8 Restore
operation failed somehow.

Hand copied to two new mailboxes into mydata1, then reinstalled Eudora
(an Uninstall doesn't wipe out this folder). Eudora installs, then
barfs on the two added mailboxes until I remove them.

I have Win7 installed twice on this Abit machine, one on the hard
drive and one on an ssd, where it's about 10%? faster. I've been
mostly using the ssd one for a couple of years. So I went back to Win7
on the hard drive, but it gives me the same Eudora errors, BUT I USED
TO BE ABLE TO COPY MAILBOXES OVER AND ADD NEW ONES IN WIN7 AND NOW I
CAN'T. (screaming in frustration)

On Win11, the Asus build, I find I CAN copy a new mailbox into its
mydata folder and its Eudora starts up successfully afterward. Can't
send or receive email, which has been the case for years, have to use
browser, but I AM able to utilize its mailboxes. Interestingly a
Restore of a Macrium8 folder backup fails the same way it did in Win7.
I think Mac8 has a bug .

Does all this malarkey strike a chord with anyone? I'd sure like to
have my Win7 Eudora back.
























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On 2/3/2026 7:06 AM, crasso@nycap.rr.com wrote:

This is pretty long-winded but I'd really like some help so tried to
provide plenty of clues.

Recently my ISP prevented me from getting my email in Winxp, so
spending my main time in Win7 now. I have to get my email via Firefox browser.

I am struggling with Eudora, an obsolete email client I've been using
in WinXP forever. I installed Eudora in Win7 and it never worked
right, BUT Eudora has the capability of creating mailboxes and
sub-mailboxes (like sub folders, tiers, the only email client that can
do it) that are useful for remembering much useful info. I USED to be
able to create/edit Eudora mailboxes in Winxp's Eudora, then
copy/paste these xp mailboxes into Win7's Eudora folders when I was
booted into Win7. And Win7's Eudora could deal with it.

[snipped]

Does all this malarkey strike a chord with anyone? I'd sure like to
have my Win7 Eudora back.

I was a long time user of Eudora. When my PC showed signs of dying,
however, my new PC with Windows 7 was not compatible with Eudora. I
then switched to Thunderbird. Thunderbird has many of the features you
seek.

I am now using an old version (52.9.1) of Thunderbird because some
features that I like have been removed. That version should still have
the ability to import existing E-mail messages and address books from
Eudora. Download it from <https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/52.9.1/win32/>,
selecting your preferred language.
--
David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>
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On 2026/2/3 15:6:35, crasso@nycap.rr.com wrote:

This is pretty long-winded but I'd really like some help so tried to
provide plenty of clues.

Recently my ISP prevented me from getting my email in Winxp, so

I doubt that, unless they've specifically told you so, or you've been
told that by a reliable source. However, it's possible they've made some
change which won't work with something you only have in XP, which would
in practice have the same effect.

The commonest change ISPs have made in the last few years is the
requirement of certain encryptions, which some older email clients do
not implememnt. A third-party piece of software called stunnel can be
inserted between the old email client and the mail server(s). Stunnel is
now officially 64-bit only, though an individual (German or Austrian, I
think) has kindly been continuing to compile it for 32-bit users. (This
may or may not be relevant.) The latest ISP I am aware of that has made
this change is PlusNet (a UK ISP), who are in the process of outsourcing
their mail services; they seemed to be of the impression (or presented
as if they were) that nothing needed changing, but I've heard from other
users that the outsourced company requires what stunnel provides whereas
their own didn't. This may or may not be what your ISP has done.

spending my main time in Win7 now. I have to get my email via Firefox browser.

I am struggling with Eudora, an obsolete email client I've been using
in WinXP forever. I installed Eudora in Win7 and it never worked
right, BUT Eudora has the capability of creating mailboxes and
sub-mailboxes (like sub folders, tiers, the only email client that can

By no means; AFAIK lots of email clients have that ability. Certainly Thunderbird, which I am now using (after I think decades with Turnpike).
I'd say go for Thunderbird: it may not be the best, but it's widely used
(and has a newsgroup), so there are lots of people to ask about
problems. Does Eudora have a newsgroup? I can see comp.mail.eudora.mac (probably not for you), comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows (sounds like where
you should go), and it.comp.appl.eudora (probably not unless you speak Italian!).

[rest deleted; I don't know that much about Eudora. I have helped others
who use it, though.]

Does all this malarkey strike a chord with anyone? I'd sure like to
have my Win7 Eudora back.

This is pretty long-winded but I'd really like some help so tried to
provide plenty of clues.

[snip]

Does all this malarkey strike a chord with anyone? I'd sure like to
have my Win7 Eudora back.

Your post appeared to contain the same text (well, I didn't actually
check it) twice.

My recommendation _would_ be to bite the bullet and switch to something
still current (such as Thunderbird). But I'm pretty certain that, in
your position, I'd continue the fight too!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

... a series about a grumpy old man who lives in a phone box is
unlikely to have been commissioned these days. 798 episodes later ...
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From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

On Tue, 2/3/2026 10:06 AM, crasso@nycap.rr.com wrote:

This is pretty long-winded but I'd really like some help so tried to
provide plenty of clues.

Recently my ISP prevented me from getting my email in Winxp, so
spending my main time in Win7 now. I have to get my email via Firefox browser.

I am struggling with Eudora, an obsolete email client I've been using
in WinXP forever. I installed Eudora in Win7 and it never worked
right, BUT Eudora has the capability of creating mailboxes and
sub-mailboxes (like sub folders, tiers, the only email client that can
do it) that are useful for remembering much useful info. I USED to be
able to create/edit Eudora mailboxes in Winxp's Eudora, then
copy/paste these xp mailboxes into Win7's Eudora folders when I was
booted into Win7. And Win7's Eudora could deal with it.

Until it couldn't. For some reason this little operation wrecks Win7
Eudora now. Also I can't create a mailbox from within Win7's Eudora,
that also wrecks Eudora.
Eudora's complaint is: "Error accessing file C:\users\earl\AppData\local\Temp\eudxxxx.tmp"
"Cause: No such file or directory exists"

A search on C: drive finds no such file except in that above location.

Deleting the offending mailbox USUALLY allows Eudora to start up
again, but not always, sometimes Eudora in dead in the water and won't
start up. Uninstalling/reinstalling Eudora doesn't help.

Downloaded REVO supposedly a powerful uninstaller to get rid of
remnants of Eudora, no help. It does show me Eudora-related stuff in
Registry it recommends deleting with its Uninstall. (possibility for editing?). Took some screen shots, but there's a hell of a lot of
them.
https://i.postimg.cc/DwPHs96H/Eudora-Registry1.jpg
Can't figure how to PrtScrn all of them into Paint without multiple
Revo Uninstalls and reinstalls of Eudora.

Only way I can get Win7's Eudora to run again when its completey
f**ked is to Macrium Restore a recent backup image of the C: drive for
Win7. Tried usingSystem Restore just f**ked things up. Try Registry
restore next time.

I did a Macrium8 folder Backup of WinXP's Eudora mydata folder (this
is the folder that contains all of its mailboxes [a couple hundred])
plus 2 new mailboxes I added.
Then I did a Macrium8 Restore of that backup image while booted into
Win7, and Restored it into mydata1, which the name of Eudora's mailbox
folder in Win7's Eudora. I can "pick a folder to Restore to" , every
thing LOOKED to behave normally and Mac reported success. BUT the two
new mailboxes I'd added to Winxp's Eudora didn't get added into
mydata1. Either Mac8 knew, somehow, not to copy it or Mac8 Restore
operation failed somehow.

Hand copied to two new mailboxes into mydata1, then reinstalled Eudora
(an Uninstall doesn't wipe out this folder). Eudora installs, then
barfs on the two added mailboxes until I remove them.

I have Win7 installed twice on this Abit machine, one on the hard
drive and one on an ssd, where it's about 10%? faster. I've been
mostly using the ssd one for a couple of years. So I went back to Win7
on the hard drive, but it gives me the same Eudora errors, BUT I USED
TO BE ABLE TO COPY MAILBOXES OVER AND ADD NEW ONES IN WIN7 AND NOW I
CAN'T. (screaming in frustration)

On Win11, the Asus build, I find I CAN copy a new mailbox into its
mydata folder and its Eudora starts up successfully afterward. Can't
send or receive email, which has been the case for years, have to use browser, but I AM able to utilize its mailboxes. Interestingly a
Restore of a Macrium8 folder backup fails the same way it did in Win7.
I think Mac8 has a bug .

Does all this malarkey strike a chord with anyone? I'd sure like to
have my Win7 Eudora back.

This is pretty long-winded but I'd really like some help so tried to
provide plenty of clues.

Recently my ISP prevented me from getting my email in Winxp, so
spending my main time in Win7 now. I have to get my email via Firefox browser.

I am struggling with Eudora, an obsolete email client I've been using
in WinXP forever. I installed in Win7 and it never worked right, BUT
Eudora has the capability of creating mailboxes and sub-mailboxes
(like sub folders, tiers, the only email client that can do it) that
are useful for remembering much useful info. I USED to be able to
create/edit Eudora mailboxes in Winxp's Eudora, then copy/paste these
xp mailboxes into Win7's Eudora folders when I was booted into Win7.
And Win7's Eudora could deal with it.

Until it couldn't. For some reason this little operation wrecks Win7
Eudora now. Also I can't create a mailbox from within Win7's Eudora,
that also wrecks Eudora.
Eudora's complaint is: "Error accessing file C:\users\earl\AppData\local\Temp\eudxxxx.tmp"
"Cause: No such file or directory exists"

A search on C: drive finds no such file except in that above location.

Deleting the offending mailbox USUALLY allows Eudora to start up
again, but not always, sometimes Eudora in dead in the water and won't
start up. Uninstalling/reinstalling Eudora doesn't help.

Downloaded REVO supposedly a powerful uninstaller to get rid of
remnants of Eudora, no help. It does show me Eudora-related stuff in
Registry it recommends deleting with its Uninstall. (possibility for editing?). Took some screen shots, but there's a hell of a lot of
them.
https://i.postimg.cc/DwPHs96H/Eudora-Registry1.jpg
Can't figure how to PrtScrn all of them into Paint without multiple
Revo Uninstalls and reinstalls of Eudora.

Only way I can get Win7's Eudora to run again when its completey
f**ked is to Macrium Restore a recent backup image of the C: drive for
Win7. Tried usingSystem Restore just f**ked things up. Try Registry
restore next time.

I did a Macrium8 folder Backup of WinXP's Eudora mydata folder (this
is the folder that contains all of its mailboxes [a couple hundred])
plus 2 new mailboxes I added.
Then I did a Macrium8 Restore of that backup image while booted into
Win7, and Restored it into mydata1, which the name of Eudora's mailbox
folder in Win7's Eudora. I can "pick a folder to Restore to" , every
thing LOOKED to behave normally and Mac reported success. BUT the two
new mailboxes I'd added to Winxp's Eudora didn't get added into
mydata1. Either Mac8 knew, somehow, not to copy it or Mac8 Restore
operation failed somehow.

Hand copied to two new mailboxes into mydata1, then reinstalled Eudora
(an Uninstall doesn't wipe out this folder). Eudora installs, then
barfs on the two added mailboxes until I remove them.

I have Win7 installed twice on this Abit machine, one on the hard
drive and one on an ssd, where it's about 10%? faster. I've been
mostly using the ssd one for a couple of years. So I went back to Win7
on the hard drive, but it gives me the same Eudora errors, BUT I USED
TO BE ABLE TO COPY MAILBOXES OVER AND ADD NEW ONES IN WIN7 AND NOW I
CAN'T. (screaming in frustration)

On Win11, the Asus build, I find I CAN copy a new mailbox into its
mydata folder and its Eudora starts up successfully afterward. Can't
send or receive email, which has been the case for years, have to use browser, but I AM able to utilize its mailboxes. Interestingly a
Restore of a Macrium8 folder backup fails the same way it did in Win7.
I think Mac8 has a bug .

Does all this malarkey strike a chord with anyone? I'd sure like to
have my Win7 Eudora back.

Google search: running legacy eudora on Windows 7

Google AI answer (the little snippet at the top):

"Eudora, originally designed for older Windows versions, can encounter
compatibility problems on Windows 7. To run it smoothly,

use Windows XP compatibility mode during installation

Ensure you have the latest Eudora patches applied. If emails fail to
sync, check your mail server settings and firewall permissions.
"

When you do Properties on an executable, there is a compatibility tab,
and you can set the execution environment of such to a particular OS,
such as WinXP.

*******

You will be expected to use encryption-in-flight. This is
SSL/TLS. SSL is all but discontinued. TLS comes in
several release numbers, with TLS 1.3 being the absolute latest.

The use of encryption is exemplified by the port number selected
when configuring the client. One of the port numbers will be unencrypted. Another, will indicate encryption, then the TLS version number has to be
high enough to work with that particular server (and its settings at
the other end).

Client programs come in two kinds. Programs which use the OS "SChannel"
for encryption. And programs which carry their own up-to-date
SSL/TLS (as provided by OpenSSL or so). Modern Thunderbird, the last
release for Windows 7 (still had support last year), was around 115ESR or so. "Certificates" such as LetsEncrypt, have helped client softwares on
WinXP, participate a little bit in modern communications.

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/115.18.0/win64/en-US/

Thunderbird Setup 115.18.0.exe 57M 10-Jun-2025 20:44

The info (could be from Wikipedia) says:

Windows 7, 8, 8.1 Thunderbird 115.18.0esr (IA-32)
WinXP, Vista Thunderbird 52.9.1 (IA-32)
Win2000 12.0.1 or 10.0.12esr

If your provider tapes-off the TLS version and expects TLS 1.3,
then legacy clients are unlikely to support that. Yet some
of the TLS versions, the crypto suite isn't really good enough.

That's only to highlight, if your Eudora was "unable to connect",
that could contribute to the root cause.

*******

I have my own mailserver here, which I run in a VM for test. As an administrator, I'm shown unencrypted ports and encrypted ones. And
if I want to run unencrypted ones, the software on the server
simply refuses to comply! It will only accept connections on the
encrypted ports. That means the software is buggered to give a
WinXP user a "hard time". So if you think an administrator is
"being mean on purpose", if you look at the software offerings,
the software dev is taking the issue out of the administrators hands.
We're stuck with all this bullshit.

It took me forever, to make a self-signed certificate. When I run
that against Thunderbird, Thunderbird does not like my self-signed
certificate. But the last time I tried it, Thunderbird did pull
email from my cranky little setup. But it's barely working. If I
contacted LetsEncrypt and asked for a certificate to be cut, they
won't cut one for mail.local (127.0.0.1) :-) I cannot rely on
the certificate community, to make me a certificate that
can be installed on *both* ends of the email comm channel.

Sorry this isn't much of an answer, but this topic is just
a crap-festival. It stinks from end to end.

Legacy softwares should be able to work with the Program Files
redirect into AppData. I don't know what to suggest to help
you improve the handling there. Perhaps you have done something
to elevate the user account ? Like you're logged in as the
actual Administrator and running Eudora ? That's about the
only thing that comes to mind, that might have something to do
with the Program Files storage-redirection not working, something
along those lines. Old programs used to store their goods in
Program Files, but you cannot do that today because Program
Files is owned by "TrustedInstaller", and Microsoft put a
redirect in the OS so that attempts to store in Program Files
are sent to the useraccount AppData tree instead.

Paul
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On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 15:55:03 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 2/3/2026 10:06 AM, crasso@nycap.rr.com wrote:

This is pretty long-winded but I'd really like some help so tried to
provide plenty of clues.

Recently my ISP prevented me from getting my email in Winxp, so
spending my main time in Win7 now. I have to get my email via Firefox
browser.

I am struggling with Eudora, an obsolete email client I've been using
in WinXP forever. I installed Eudora in Win7 and it never worked
right, BUT Eudora has the capability of creating mailboxes and
sub-mailboxes (like sub folders, tiers, the only email client that can
do it) that are useful for remembering much useful info. I USED to be
able to create/edit Eudora mailboxes in Winxp's Eudora, then
copy/paste these xp mailboxes into Win7's Eudora folders when I was
booted into Win7. And Win7's Eudora could deal with it.

Until it couldn't. For some reason this little operation wrecks Win7
Eudora now. Also I can't create a mailbox from within Win7's Eudora,
that also wrecks Eudora.
Eudora's complaint is: "Error accessing file
C:\users\earl\AppData\local\Temp\eudxxxx.tmp"
"Cause: No such file or directory exists"

A search on C: drive finds no such file except in that above location.

Deleting the offending mailbox USUALLY allows Eudora to start up
again, but not always, sometimes Eudora in dead in the water and won't
start up. Uninstalling/reinstalling Eudora doesn't help.

Downloaded REVO supposedly a powerful uninstaller to get rid of
remnants of Eudora, no help. It does show me Eudora-related stuff in
Registry it recommends deleting with its Uninstall. (possibility for
editing?). Took some screen shots, but there's a hell of a lot of
them.
https://i.postimg.cc/DwPHs96H/Eudora-Registry1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/SKvBtv9h/Eudora-Registry2.jpg
Can't figure how to PrtScrn all of them into Paint without multiple
Revo Uninstalls and reinstalls of Eudora.

Only way I can get Win7's Eudora to run again when its completey
f**ked is to Macrium Restore a recent backup image of the C: drive for
Win7. Tried usingSystem Restore just f**ked things up. Try Registry
restore next time.

I did a Macrium8 folder Backup of WinXP's Eudora mydata folder (this
is the folder that contains all of its mailboxes [a couple hundred])
plus 2 new mailboxes I added.
Then I did a Macrium8 Restore of that backup image while booted into
Win7, and Restored it into mydata1, which the name of Eudora's mailbox
folder in Win7's Eudora. I can "pick a folder to Restore to" , every
thing LOOKED to behave normally and Mac reported success. BUT the two
new mailboxes I'd added to Winxp's Eudora didn't get added into
mydata1. Either Mac8 knew, somehow, not to copy it or Mac8 Restore
operation failed somehow.

Hand copied to two new mailboxes into mydata1, then reinstalled Eudora
(an Uninstall doesn't wipe out this folder). Eudora installs, then
barfs on the two added mailboxes until I remove them.

I have Win7 installed twice on this Abit machine, one on the hard
drive and one on an ssd, where it's about 10%? faster. I've been
mostly using the ssd one for a couple of years. So I went back to Win7
on the hard drive, but it gives me the same Eudora errors, BUT I USED
TO BE ABLE TO COPY MAILBOXES OVER AND ADD NEW ONES IN WIN7 AND NOW I
CAN'T. (screaming in frustration)

On Win11, the Asus build, I find I CAN copy a new mailbox into its
mydata folder and its Eudora starts up successfully afterward. Can't
send or receive email, which has been the case for years, have to use
browser, but I AM able to utilize its mailboxes. Interestingly a
Restore of a Macrium8 folder backup fails the same way it did in Win7.
I think Mac8 has a bug .

Does all this malarkey strike a chord with anyone? I'd sure like to
have my Win7 Eudora back.

Google search: running legacy eudora on Windows 7

Google AI answer (the little snippet at the top):

"Eudora, originally designed for older Windows versions, can encounter
compatibility problems on Windows 7. To run it smoothly,

use Windows XP compatibility mode during installation

Ensure you have the latest Eudora patches applied. If emails fail to
sync, check your mail server settings and firewall permissions.
"

When you do Properties on an executable, there is a compatibility tab,
and you can set the execution environment of such to a particular OS,
such as WinXP.

I did try the compatibility tab - set to winxp but no help. You said
something about Eudora might have upgraded itself to be run as
Administrator, which you hinted was a bad thing? I installed Eudora
(and everything else) as an Administrator, but Eudora did run ok that
way, for a time. I noticed in those setup.exe Properties there was a
box to check "Run this program (the setup program) as an
Administrator" so I checked it and again Uninstalled/Reinstalled
Eudora, but no help.

At long last I tried RUNNING Eudora as an Adminstrator. (RH click and
choose it) and miracle it ran without the errors. Why didn't I do that first????????? Seems like something any techie would try?

You got me there Paul with that hint, thank you a bunch.

Re the Thunderbird suggestions, thanks guys but I struggled with it a
couple years ago when my ISP started giving me shit, and it worked
somewhat, but it can't hold a candle to Eudora mailbox-wise.

*******

You will be expected to use encryption-in-flight. This is
SSL/TLS. SSL is all but discontinued. TLS comes in
several release numbers, with TLS 1.3 being the absolute latest.

The use of encryption is exemplified by the port number selected
when configuring the client. One of the port numbers will be unencrypted. >Another, will indicate encryption, then the TLS version number has to be
high enough to work with that particular server (and its settings at
the other end).

Client programs come in two kinds. Programs which use the OS "SChannel"
for encryption. And programs which carry their own up-to-date
SSL/TLS (as provided by OpenSSL or so). Modern Thunderbird, the last
release for Windows 7 (still had support last year), was around 115ESR or so. >"Certificates" such as LetsEncrypt, have helped client softwares on
WinXP, participate a little bit in modern communications.

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/115.18.0/win64/en-US/

Thunderbird Setup 115.18.0.exe 57M 10-Jun-2025 20:44

The info (could be from Wikipedia) says:

Windows 7, 8, 8.1 Thunderbird 115.18.0esr (IA-32)
WinXP, Vista Thunderbird 52.9.1 (IA-32)
Win2000 12.0.1 or 10.0.12esr

If your provider tapes-off the TLS version and expects TLS 1.3,
then legacy clients are unlikely to support that. Yet some
of the TLS versions, the crypto suite isn't really good enough.

That's only to highlight, if your Eudora was "unable to connect",
that could contribute to the root cause.

*******

I have my own mailserver here, which I run in a VM for test. As an >administrator, I'm shown unencrypted ports and encrypted ones. And
if I want to run unencrypted ones, the software on the server
simply refuses to comply! It will only accept connections on the
encrypted ports. That means the software is buggered to give a
WinXP user a "hard time". So if you think an administrator is
"being mean on purpose", if you look at the software offerings,
the software dev is taking the issue out of the administrators hands.
We're stuck with all this bullshit.

It took me forever, to make a self-signed certificate. When I run
that against Thunderbird, Thunderbird does not like my self-signed >certificate. But the last time I tried it, Thunderbird did pull
email from my cranky little setup. But it's barely working. If I
contacted LetsEncrypt and asked for a certificate to be cut, they
won't cut one for mail.local (127.0.0.1) :-) I cannot rely on
the certificate community, to make me a certificate that
can be installed on *both* ends of the email comm channel.

Sorry this isn't much of an answer, but this topic is just
a crap-festival. It stinks from end to end.

Legacy softwares should be able to work with the Program Files
redirect into AppData. I don't know what to suggest to help
you improve the handling there. Perhaps you have done something
to elevate the user account ? Like you're logged in as the
actual Administrator and running Eudora ? That's about the
only thing that comes to mind, that might have something to do
with the Program Files storage-redirection not working, something
along those lines. Old programs used to store their goods in
Program Files, but you cannot do that today because Program
Files is owned by "TrustedInstaller", and Microsoft put a
redirect in the OS so that attempts to store in Program Files
are sent to the useraccount AppData tree instead.

Paul

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[]

Re the Thunderbird suggestions, thanks guys but I struggled with it a
couple years ago when my ISP started giving me shit, and it worked
somewhat, but it can't hold a candle to Eudora mailbox-wise.

[]
Just out of curiosity, what can you do with mailboxes in Eudora that you
can't in Thunderbird?
(I'm not disagreeing with you, just wondering.)
--
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On Thu, 5 Feb 2026 23:04:50 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
wrote:

On 2026/2/5 19:44:40, crasso@nycap.rr.com wrote:

[]

Re the Thunderbird suggestions, thanks guys but I struggled with it a
couple years ago when my ISP started giving me shit, and it worked
somewhat, but it can't hold a candle to Eudora mailbox-wise.

[]

Just out of curiosity, what can you do with mailboxes in Eudora that you >can't in Thunderbird?

(I'm not disagreeing with you, just wondering.)

Here's a drawing of my Eudora folders, going back 20? years.

Eudora tiered folder scheme: https://i.postimg.cc/HsBdYR9t/Eudora-Mailbox-Folders.jpg

I couldn't make Thunderbird do that. Maybe I'm too dumb.
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On Fri, 2/6/2026 4:16 PM, crasso@nycap.rr.com wrote:

On Thu, 5 Feb 2026 23:04:50 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
wrote:

On 2026/2/5 19:44:40, crasso@nycap.rr.com wrote:

[]

Re the Thunderbird suggestions, thanks guys but I struggled with it a
couple years ago when my ISP started giving me shit, and it worked
somewhat, but it can't hold a candle to Eudora mailbox-wise.

[]

Just out of curiosity, what can you do with mailboxes in Eudora that you
can't in Thunderbird?

(I'm not disagreeing with you, just wondering.)

Here's a drawing of my Eudora folders, going back 20? years.

Eudora tiered folder scheme: https://i.postimg.cc/HsBdYR9t/Eudora-Mailbox-Folders.jpg

I couldn't make Thunderbird do that. Maybe I'm too dumb.

Mail\
Local Folders\
Sent
Sent.msf
Draft
Draft.msf
Trash
Trash.msf
Archives.sbd\
2015
2015.msf
...
2025
2025.msf

Notice how a folder with an extension
on the end of "SubDirectory", allows
hierarchical arrangement of boxes. The
archiving system in Thunderbird, is partially
done via automation. (In a given year, if you
ask for something to be archived, it creates a
box file for it and puts the message there.)

When the folder is displayed on the upper left
in Thunderbird, the .sbd is suppressed and just
the "Archives" string shows in the interface.

This means you can have a "tree" in the Mail if you want.

Paul
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On 2026/2/6 21:16:13, crasso@nycap.rr.com wrote:

On Thu, 5 Feb 2026 23:04:50 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
wrote:

On 2026/2/5 19:44:40, crasso@nycap.rr.com wrote:

[]

Re the Thunderbird suggestions, thanks guys but I struggled with it a
couple years ago when my ISP started giving me shit, and it worked
somewhat, but it can't hold a candle to Eudora mailbox-wise.

[]

Just out of curiosity, what can you do with mailboxes in Eudora that you
can't in Thunderbird?

(I'm not disagreeing with you, just wondering.)

Here's a drawing of my Eudora folders, going back 20? years.

Eudora tiered folder scheme: https://i.postimg.cc/HsBdYR9t/Eudora-Mailbox-Folders.jpg

I couldn't make Thunderbird do that. Maybe I'm too dumb.

I see a mailbox with sub-boxes, some of which have sub-boxes of their own.

Here's my inbox (some names blanked): https://255soft.uk/temp/Clipboard_02-07-2026_01%20mailboxes.gif

Created in Thunderbird, over somewhat less than a year. (FWIW, note that
it allows certain characters in sub-box names that you can't have in directories/folders, such as / and *.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

... the pleasure of the mind is an amazing thing. My life has been
driven by the satisfaction of curiosity. - Jeremy Paxman (being
interviewed by Anne Widdecombe), Radio Times, 2-8 July 2011.
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On 2026/2/7 0:25:14, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

On 2026/2/6 21:16:13, crasso@nycap.rr.com wrote:

On Thu, 5 Feb 2026 23:04:50 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
wrote:

On 2026/2/5 19:44:40, crasso@nycap.rr.com wrote:

[]

Re the Thunderbird suggestions, thanks guys but I struggled with it a
couple years ago when my ISP started giving me shit, and it worked
somewhat, but it can't hold a candle to Eudora mailbox-wise.

[]

Just out of curiosity, what can you do with mailboxes in Eudora that you >>> can't in Thunderbird?

(I'm not disagreeing with you, just wondering.)

Here's a drawing of my Eudora folders, going back 20? years.

Eudora tiered folder scheme:
https://i.postimg.cc/HsBdYR9t/Eudora-Mailbox-Folders.jpg

I couldn't make Thunderbird do that. Maybe I'm too dumb.

I see a mailbox with sub-boxes, some of which have sub-boxes of their own.

Here's my inbox (some names blanked): https://255soft.uk/temp/Clipboard_02-07-2026_01%20mailboxes.gif

Created in Thunderbird, over somewhat less than a year. (FWIW, note that
it allows certain characters in sub-box names that you can't have in directories/folders, such as / and *.)

I've just seen Paul's response: he and I chose to reply to you in
different ways - I showed how my mailbox (and sub-boxes) appear from
within Thunderbird, Paul showed how it actually implements them within
the underlying file structure.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

... the pleasure of the mind is an amazing thing. My life has been
driven by the satisfaction of curiosity. - Jeremy Paxman (being
interviewed by Anne Widdecombe), Radio Times, 2-8 July 2011.
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On Sat, 7 Feb 2026 00:31:20 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
wrote:

On 2026/2/7 0:25:14, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

On 2026/2/6 21:16:13, crasso@nycap.rr.com wrote:

On Thu, 5 Feb 2026 23:04:50 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
wrote:

On 2026/2/5 19:44:40, crasso@nycap.rr.com wrote:

[]

Re the Thunderbird suggestions, thanks guys but I struggled with it a >>>>> couple years ago when my ISP started giving me shit, and it worked
somewhat, but it can't hold a candle to Eudora mailbox-wise.

[]

Just out of curiosity, what can you do with mailboxes in Eudora that you >>>> can't in Thunderbird?

(I'm not disagreeing with you, just wondering.)

Here's a drawing of my Eudora folders, going back 20? years.

Eudora tiered folder scheme:
https://i.postimg.cc/HsBdYR9t/Eudora-Mailbox-Folders.jpg

I couldn't make Thunderbird do that. Maybe I'm too dumb.

I see a mailbox with sub-boxes, some of which have sub-boxes of their own. >>
Here's my inbox (some names blanked):
https://255soft.uk/temp/Clipboard_02-07-2026_01%20mailboxes.gif

Created in Thunderbird, over somewhat less than a year. (FWIW, note that
it allows certain characters in sub-box names that you can't have in
directories/folders, such as / and *.)

I've just seen Paul's response: he and I chose to reply to you in
different ways - I showed how my mailbox (and sub-boxes) appear from
within Thunderbird, Paul showed how it actually implements them within
the underlying file structure.

EXCELLENT guys Thank you both. Maybe I didn't give Thunderbird enough
of a chance. ( remember I really looked for a way to create a
"hierarchical arrangement of boxes: tree" [classy term thanks Paul]
but couldn't find it) Possibly I'll revist. For now my beloved Eudora
is usable enough.
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