• Modem Info?

    From David E. Ross@nobody@nowhere.invalid to alt.windows7.general on Fri Sep 11 13:51:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    My ISP provided me with a Sercomm modem for use with my Windows 7 PC but
    with very minimal information about its characteristics and capabilities.

    Stamped into the back of the case is:
    ES2251
    DOSCSIS 3.1 eMTA
    Input 12V, 2.0A

    A label on the back has a serial number, two MAC addresses, and "PC
    2.0". It also has:
    Made in Philipines HW VER: 1.3
    SD 10

    An E-mail with images showing the above to Sercomm's U.S. sales office
    remains unanswered. Does anyone have documentation on this modem?
    --

    David E. Ross
    <http://www.rossde.com>

    NO, not everyone has a smart phone. My wife and I have
    "dumb cell phones" and a land-line. Neither of us can
    handle QR codes, reply to text messages, or have any
    kind of phone-based Internet connections. We have no APS
    on any phone. We can send and receive photos only
    through our desktop PCs.
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  • From Ed Cryer@ed@somewhere.in.the.uk to alt.windows7.general on Fri Sep 11 22:33:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    David E. Ross wrote:
    My ISP provided me with a Sercomm modem for use with my Windows 7 PC but
    with very minimal information about its characteristics and capabilities.

    Stamped into the back of the case is:
    ES2251
    DOSCSIS 3.1 eMTA
    Input 12V, 2.0A

    A label on the back has a serial number, two MAC addresses, and "PC
    2.0". It also has:
    Made in Philipines HW VER: 1.3
    SD 10

    An E-mail with images showing the above to Sercomm's U.S. sales office remains unanswered. Does anyone have documentation on this modem?


    Google "ES2251 DOSCSIS 3.1 eMTA" and download the user manual from cloudfront.net.

    Ed

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  • From john@john@jeason.cix.co.uk (John K.Eason) to alt.windows7.general on Sat Sep 12 00:03:40 2026
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    In article <1181pjs$37qi4$1@dont-email.me>, nobody@nowhere.invalid (David E. Ross)
    wrote:

    My ISP provided me with a Sercomm modem for use with my Windows 7
    PC but with very minimal information about its characteristics and capabilities.

    Stamped into the back of the case is:
    ES2251

    Google is (sometimes) your friend:

    https://techinfodepot.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Spectrum_ES2251
    --
    Regards
    John
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  • From VanguardLH@V@nguard.LH to alt.windows7.general on Fri Sep 11 21:19:11 2026
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    "David E. Ross" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

    My ISP provided me with a Sercomm modem for use with my Windows 7 PC but
    with very minimal information about its characteristics and capabilities.

    Stamped into the back of the case is:
    ES2251
    DOSCSIS 3.1 eMTA
    Input 12V, 2.0A

    A label on the back has a serial number, two MAC addresses, and "PC
    2.0". It also has:
    Made in Philipines HW VER: 1.3
    SD 10

    An E-mail with images showing the above to Sercomm's U.S. sales office remains unanswered. Does anyone have documentation on this modem?

    Since it is an ISP-provided cable modem, possibly you can't do much, if anything, to configure it. The ISP doesn't want its users fumbling the settings. The old cable modem I got from my ISP had an internal web
    server you reached by going to 10.0.0.1. The new one they gave me (to
    have more channels to bind for higher bandwith) has no internal server.
    They want me to use their phone app to change configurations in my
    account to then provision down to the cable modem, and the app has very
    little of what the old modem had for settings.

    Look at the LAN ports on the back of the cable modem. Does one of them
    have a red stripe alongside? If so, that's the 2Gbps port to give you
    the greatest downstream speed. If you have more than one device you
    want to have a 2Gbps connection (which may be the only LAN port), get a
    2+ Gbps LAN switch/router.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=sercomm+ES2251&udm=2&sei=UrSkaq2qA9jFruEP9tHv4QM

    Which pic matches yours? Might be just one LAN port, so you have to get
    a LAN switch/router to connect more devices. Make sure the LAN
    switch/router supports 2.5Gbps to match the speed of the 2.5Gbps LAN
    port in the cable modem.

    For a manual, I found (if it's the one you have):

    https://www.google.com/goto?url=CAESnAEB6zswFRw5IKqwCY1fJ1V9uj934hDWxMX3zyRpHDBaehnkogB0UB2r2JJ7NIheY7leT2iT_jl9tVbjm_UhkF3f5qplTvEub0-j8OCRibfM_vsEoMTu2dyZApuKsgfoUC-S6MdJNmbprHQpQ6jQ44LJ4twz9rt5opvMbAVd5joiJ4_k9x2_vrbGn6KuWS2iMltio0I9_S1GwXIYiDU

    I did not see wi-fi mentioned in that document. If you intend to use
    wifi from device (a host or access point) to this cable modem, you'll
    have to add a wifi-capable router. If you intend to connect via LAN
    (wired) to more than one host, you'll need to add a LAN switch/router.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.windows7.general on Sat Sep 12 01:11:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On Fri, 9/11/2026 4:51 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
    My ISP provided me with a Sercomm modem for use with my Windows 7 PC but
    with very minimal information about its characteristics and capabilities.

    Stamped into the back of the case is:
    ES2251
    DOSCSIS 3.1 eMTA
    Input 12V, 2.0A

    A label on the back has a serial number, two MAC addresses, and "PC
    2.0". It also has:
    Made in Philipines HW VER: 1.3
    SD 10

    An E-mail with images showing the above to Sercomm's U.S. sales office remains unanswered. Does anyone have documentation on this modem?


    https://www.reddit.com/r/Spectrum/comments/1mswk2u/is_the_es2251puma7_actually_still_a_problem/

    It appears to use an Intel PUMA 7 chipset, according to that.

    Paul
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  • From David E. Ross@nobody@nowhere.invalid to alt.windows7.general on Sat Sep 12 09:39:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On 9/11/2026 2:33 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
    David E. Ross wrote:
    My ISP provided me with a Sercomm modem for use with my Windows 7 PC but
    with very minimal information about its characteristics and capabilities.

    Stamped into the back of the case is:
    ES2251
    DOSCSIS 3.1 eMTA
    Input 12V, 2.0A

    A label on the back has a serial number, two MAC addresses, and "PC
    2.0". It also has:
    Made in Philipines HW VER: 1.3
    SD 10

    An E-mail with images showing the above to Sercomm's U.S. sales office
    remains unanswered. Does anyone have documentation on this modem?


    Google "ES2251 DOSCSIS 3.1 eMTA" and download the user manual from cloudfront.net.

    Ed


    Thanks for the idea of a search. I successfully used DuckDuckGo to find
    and download the User Guide.
    --

    David E. Ross
    <http://www.rossde.com>

    NO, not everyone has a smart phone. My wife and I have
    "dumb cell phones" and a land-line. Neither of us can
    handle QR codes, reply to text messages, or have any
    kind of phone-based Internet connections. We have no APS
    on any phone. We can send and receive photos only
    through our desktop PCs.
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  • From Bill Bradshaw@bradshaw@gci.net to alt.windows7.general on Sun Sep 13 09:30:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    David E. Ross wrote:
    My ISP provided me with a Sercomm modem for use with my Windows 7 PC
    but with very minimal information about its characteristics and
    capabilities.

    Stamped into the back of the case is:
    ES2251
    DOSCSIS 3.1 eMTA
    Input 12V, 2.0A

    A label on the back has a serial number, two MAC addresses, and "PC
    2.0". It also has:
    Made in Philipines HW VER: 1.3
    SD 10

    An E-mail with images showing the above to Sercomm's U.S. sales office remains unanswered. Does anyone have documentation on this modem?

    My ISP provider gave me one of these (not your model) and I had them put it
    in bridge mode so I could use my own router and not screw with them.
    --
    <Bill>

    Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska


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  • From David E. Ross@nobody@nowhere.invalid to alt.windows7.general on Sun Sep 13 14:10:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On 9/13/2026 10:30 AM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
    David E. Ross wrote:
    My ISP provided me with a Sercomm modem for use with my Windows 7 PC
    but with very minimal information about its characteristics and
    capabilities.

    Stamped into the back of the case is:
    ES2251
    DOSCSIS 3.1 eMTA
    Input 12V, 2.0A

    A label on the back has a serial number, two MAC addresses, and "PC
    2.0". It also has:
    Made in Philipines HW VER: 1.3
    SD 10

    An E-mail with images showing the above to Sercomm's U.S. sales office
    remains unanswered. Does anyone have documentation on this modem?

    My ISP provider gave me one of these (not your model) and I had them put it in bridge mode so I could use my own router and not screw with them.


    My connection to the Internet is through Spectrum. Because I was having problems with Spectrum's E-mail service (but not with my primary
    Sunset.net service), Spectrum sent a technician to my house at no cost
    to me. The technician connected Spectrum's Sercomm modem to my Netgear
    router without any questions.

    From the User Guide suggested by Ed Cryer, it appears that I might not
    need a router. Instead, I can try connecting my and my wife's PCs
    directly to the modem. However, I am concerned whether I will then be
    able to change what DNS addresses I use; I review and update my choice
    of DNS about quarterly. With a separate modem, I change the DNS address
    both on my and my wife's PCs and on my router.
    --

    David E. Ross
    <http://www.rossde.com>

    NO, not everyone has a smart phone. My wife and I have
    "dumb cell phones" and a land-line. Neither of us can
    handle QR codes, reply to text messages, or have any
    kind of phone-based Internet connections. We have no APS
    on any phone. We can send and receive photos only
    through our desktop PCs.
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  • From Mark Lloyd@not.email@all.invalid to alt.windows7.general on Mon Sep 14 13:43:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 14:10:38 -0700, David E. Ross wrote:

    [snip]

    My connection to the Internet is through Spectrum. Because I was having problems with Spectrum's E-mail service (but not with my primary
    Sunset.net service), Spectrum sent a technician to my house at no cost
    to me. The technician connected Spectrum's Sercomm modem to my Netgear router without any questions.

    From the User Guide suggested by Ed Cryer, it appears that I might not
    need a router. Instead, I can try connecting my and my wife's PCs
    directly to the modem. However, I am concerned whether I will then be
    able to change what DNS addresses I use; I review and update my choice
    of DNS about quarterly. With a separate modem, I change the DNS address
    both on my and my wife's PCs and on my router.

    A modem (not router) probably allows only one device to be connected.
    --
    102 days until the winter celebration (Friday, December 25, 2026 12:00
    AM for 1 day).

    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "The name of Christ has caused more persecutions, wars, and miseries
    than any other name has caused." [John E. Remsburg, The Christ(1910)]
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.windows7.general on Mon Sep 14 11:33:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On Mon, 9/14/2026 9:43 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 14:10:38 -0700, David E. Ross wrote:

    [snip]

    My connection to the Internet is through Spectrum. Because I was having
    problems with Spectrum's E-mail service (but not with my primary
    Sunset.net service), Spectrum sent a technician to my house at no cost
    to me. The technician connected Spectrum's Sercomm modem to my Netgear
    router without any questions.

    From the User Guide suggested by Ed Cryer, it appears that I might not
    need a router. Instead, I can try connecting my and my wife's PCs
    directly to the modem. However, I am concerned whether I will then be
    able to change what DNS addresses I use; I review and update my choice
    of DNS about quarterly. With a separate modem, I change the DNS address
    both on my and my wife's PCs and on my router.

    A modem (not router) probably allows only one device to be connected.


    The user manual shows a router being connected downstream of the modem.

    Normally, the VOIP-ATA would also imply a router (my separate ATA works that way).

    Maybe you could just hook a four port switch to the modem. If the modem
    has no web interface, that kind of decides how your computer room is going
    to work, for you.

    The VOIP-ATA needs authentication, so the modem would need a web interface and "a few settings". I don't think you can do VOIP-ATA without some routing.
    It needs multiple connections, has a control plane and a data plane,
    in typical bloated telecom style :-) What's really neat about VOIP-ATA,
    is how it can work when your DNS drops out. I find that more than a bit humorous.

    Page 3 shows a typical use diagram, the backup lead-acid battery is missing from the diagram, and would also be a typical use thing (for VOIP-ATA
    backup). The backup battery powers the modem, the separate router would drop, but the two RJ11 connectors on the VOIP-ATA on the modem would continue to work.

    The hardware would not be kind to the backup battery, so you
    would not expect more than maybe four hours from it. The hardware
    has to do QAM (Quadrature Amplitude Modulation) as well as run RF receivers
    for the cable signal, and that takes some current to do that continuously
    for four hours, just so you can have a dial tone. My network stack
    is a similar porker here, modern broadband is pretty demanding.
    Maybe a fiber optic connection could potentially be a bit better
    on backup power drain.

    https://d15yx0mnc9teae.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/2021-04/Spectrum%20eMTA%20User%20Guide.pdf

    Paul
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  • From David E. Ross@nobody@nowhere.invalid to alt.windows7.general on Tue Sep 15 09:16:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On 9/14/2026 6:43 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 14:10:38 -0700, David E. Ross wrote:

    [snip]

    My connection to the Internet is through Spectrum. Because I was having
    problems with Spectrum's E-mail service (but not with my primary
    Sunset.net service), Spectrum sent a technician to my house at no cost
    to me. The technician connected Spectrum's Sercomm modem to my Netgear
    router without any questions.

    From the User Guide suggested by Ed Cryer, it appears that I might not
    need a router. Instead, I can try connecting my and my wife's PCs
    directly to the modem. However, I am concerned whether I will then be
    able to change what DNS addresses I use; I review and update my choice
    of DNS about quarterly. With a separate modem, I change the DNS address
    both on my and my wife's PCs and on my router.

    A modem (not router) probably allows only one device to be connected.


    Combination modem-routers are quite common now. There are two currently
    unused ports on the back of the modem. I did not look at them carefully
    to see if they are ethernet ports, which are needed to connect our PCs.
    --

    David E. Ross
    <http://www.rossde.com>

    NO, not everyone has a smart phone. My wife and I have
    "dumb cell phones" and a land-line. Neither of us can
    handle QR codes, reply to text messages, or have any
    kind of phone-based Internet connections. We have no APS
    on any phone. We can send and receive photos only
    through our desktop PCs.
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  • From David E. Ross@nobody@nowhere.invalid to alt.windows7.general on Tue Sep 15 09:28:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On 9/14/2026 8:33 AM, Paul wrote:
    On Mon, 9/14/2026 9:43 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 14:10:38 -0700, David E. Ross wrote:

    [snip]

    My connection to the Internet is through Spectrum. Because I was having >>> problems with Spectrum's E-mail service (but not with my primary
    Sunset.net service), Spectrum sent a technician to my house at no cost
    to me. The technician connected Spectrum's Sercomm modem to my Netgear
    router without any questions.

    From the User Guide suggested by Ed Cryer, it appears that I might not
    need a router. Instead, I can try connecting my and my wife's PCs
    directly to the modem. However, I am concerned whether I will then be
    able to change what DNS addresses I use; I review and update my choice
    of DNS about quarterly. With a separate modem, I change the DNS address >>> both on my and my wife's PCs and on my router.

    A modem (not router) probably allows only one device to be connected.


    The user manual shows a router being connected downstream of the modem.

    Normally, the VOIP-ATA would also imply a router (my separate ATA works that way).

    Maybe you could just hook a four port switch to the modem. If the modem
    has no web interface, that kind of decides how your computer room is going
    to work, for you.

    The VOIP-ATA needs authentication, so the modem would need a web interface and
    "a few settings". I don't think you can do VOIP-ATA without some routing.
    It needs multiple connections, has a control plane and a data plane,
    in typical bloated telecom style :-) What's really neat about VOIP-ATA,
    is how it can work when your DNS drops out. I find that more than a bit humorous.

    Page 3 shows a typical use diagram, the backup lead-acid battery is missing from the diagram, and would also be a typical use thing (for VOIP-ATA backup). The backup battery powers the modem, the separate router would drop, but the two RJ11 connectors on the VOIP-ATA on the modem would continue to work.

    The hardware would not be kind to the backup battery, so you
    would not expect more than maybe four hours from it. The hardware
    has to do QAM (Quadrature Amplitude Modulation) as well as run RF receivers for the cable signal, and that takes some current to do that continuously
    for four hours, just so you can have a dial tone. My network stack
    is a similar porker here, modern broadband is pretty demanding.
    Maybe a fiber optic connection could potentially be a bit better
    on backup power drain.

    https://d15yx0mnc9teae.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/2021-04/Spectrum%20eMTA%20User%20Guide.pdf

    Paul


    The diagram in the User Guide shows a Wifi router connected to the modem through an ethernet port. We do not use Wifi.

    The User Guide does not describe how the two unused ports (near the top
    of the back of the modem) are used. The diagram shows a phone connected through one of those ports. That would be for a VOIP phone, but we do
    not have VOIP phones.

    Over all, the User Guide is very weak.
    --

    David E. Ross
    <http://www.rossde.com>

    NO, not everyone has a smart phone. My wife and I have
    "dumb cell phones" and a land-line. Neither of us can
    handle QR codes, reply to text messages, or have any
    kind of phone-based Internet connections. We have no APS
    on any phone. We can send and receive photos only
    through our desktop PCs.
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  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to alt.windows7.general on Tue Sep 15 17:38:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    David E. Ross <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
    [...]

    The diagram in the User Guide shows a Wifi router connected to the modem through an ethernet port. We do not use Wifi.

    The User Guide does not describe how the two unused ports (near the top
    of the back of the modem) are used. The diagram shows a phone connected through one of those ports. That would be for a VOIP phone, but we do
    not have VOIP phones.

    Over all, the User Guide is very weak.

    I think you didn't mention the link for the User Guide, so I can't
    check, but the mentioned

    <https://techinfodepot.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Spectrum_ES2251>

    page clearly says

    RJ11 Ports (VOIP/POTS) 2
    Ethernet Port Count 1-2.5GbE-LAN

    [and later]

    LAN ports 1
    VOIP ports 2

    So you should have two RJ11 ports for telephones and only one Ethernet
    port.

    Strange configuration - I would expect four or at minimum two Ethernet
    ports - but apparenly this provider assumes everyone is using Wi-Fi.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.windows7.general on Tue Sep 15 13:52:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On Tue, 9/15/2026 12:16 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
    On 9/14/2026 6:43 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 14:10:38 -0700, David E. Ross wrote:

    [snip]

    My connection to the Internet is through Spectrum. Because I was having >>> problems with Spectrum's E-mail service (but not with my primary
    Sunset.net service), Spectrum sent a technician to my house at no cost
    to me. The technician connected Spectrum's Sercomm modem to my Netgear
    router without any questions.

    From the User Guide suggested by Ed Cryer, it appears that I might not
    need a router. Instead, I can try connecting my and my wife's PCs
    directly to the modem. However, I am concerned whether I will then be
    able to change what DNS addresses I use; I review and update my choice
    of DNS about quarterly. With a separate modem, I change the DNS address >>> both on my and my wife's PCs and on my router.

    A modem (not router) probably allows only one device to be connected.


    Combination modem-routers are quite common now. There are two currently unused ports on the back of the modem. I did not look at them carefully
    to see if they are ethernet ports, which are needed to connect our PCs.


    The Google searches are leading me around in circles. I'm getting dizzy :-)

    Sadly, that makes it LLM-AI time.

    ********************* CoPilot Question ****************************

    There is a cable modem provided to Spectrum customers.
    I'm trying to understand whether it has a routing function
    inside or not. It is a Spectrum (Sercomm) ES2251 with presumably
    PUMA 7 chipset from Intel. There could be additional silicon
    for the networking side of the modem. The VOIP-ATA is likely stripped
    off before the stream is sent to the 2.5GbE Ethernet port.

    Could I connect a PC directly to the Spectrum modem ?

    Does the PC have to terminate some protocol coming
    from the modem, like PPPOE ? Or does the modem Ethernet
    port serve unencapsulated Ethernet packets ?

    Does the Spectrum modem have DHCP and serve addresses
    in the same space as the model address (192.168.100.1) ?

    Understanding the device is important to figuring out
    exactly what to do with the Spectrum Modem.

    ********************* CoPilot Answer ****************************

    **Short answer:**
    The SpectrumrCaprovided Sercomm **ES2251 is a pure DOCSIS 3.1 bridge**, not a router.
    You *can* connect a PC directly to it, and the PC will receive a
    **public IPv4 address via DHCP**. No PPPoE, no NAT, no private LAN, no routing.

    Below is the full, structured breakdown.

    ---

    ## 1. Does the ES2251 contain a router?
    No. The ES2251 (and its sibling ET2251) is a **standalone DOCSIS 3.1 eMTA** that operates as a **transparent LayerrCa2 bridge**. It does not include:

    - NAT
    - DHCP server for LAN clients
    - Wi-Fi
    - Routing functions

    It simply passes Ethernet frames between the DOCSIS side and the 2.5rC>GbE port.

    ---

    ## 2. Can you connect a PC directly to the modem?
    **Yes.**
    If you plug a PC directly into the ES2251rCOs 2.5rC>GbE port,
    the PC becomes your rCLrouterrCY and will receive:

    - A **public IPv4 address** via DHCP from SpectrumrCOs headend
    - A default gateway belonging to Spectrum
    - No private LAN isolation

    This is exactly how a pure cable modem behaves.

    **Important detail:**
    The modem **caches the MAC address** of the first device connected after boot. If you swap devices (e.g., router --> PC), you must **powerrCacycle the modem for 60 seconds**
    to clear the MAC binding. Otherwise the new device will not obtain a WAN IP.

    ---

    ## 3. Does the PC need to terminate PPPoE or any other protocol?
    **No.**
    Spectrum does **not** use PPPoE. The ES2251 hands off **plain Ethernet**
    with standard **DHCP** for WAN IP assignment.

    There is no encapsulation like:

    - PPPoE
    - PPPoA
    - VLAN tagging
    - MPLS
    - L2TP

    Just raw Ethernet frames.

    ---

    ## 4. Does the modem run DHCP on 192.168.100.x?
    **No.**
    The modemrCOs internal diagnostic interface is at **192.168.100.1**, but:

    - It does **not** serve DHCP on that subnet
    - It does **not** route traffic
    - It does **not** provide LAN addresses

    The 192.168.100.1 page is only a **local diagnostics UI**, and Spectrum
    often disables it via firmware.

    If the UI is disabled, the modem still works normally.

    ---

    ## 5. What about the voice/ATA portion?
    The ES2251 is an **eMTA**, meaning it includes DOCSIS voice support.
    The voice subsystem is separate and does not affect the Ethernet handoff.
    The ATA portion is stripped from the data path before reaching the 2.5rC>GbE port.
    (This is standard for DOCSIS eMTAs; the search results confirm the device is a DOCSIS 3.1 voice modem.)

    ---

    ## 6. Summary table

    | Feature | ES2251 Behavior | |-----------------|--------------------------------------------------|
    | Routing / NAT | **None** (pure bridge) |
    | DHCP to LAN | **None** |
    | WAN protocol | **DHCP** (public IP) |
    | PPPoE required? | **No** |
    | Diagnostic IP | 192.168.100.1 (may be disabled) |
    | MAC caching | Yes rCo requires power cycle when changing devices |
    | Voice ATA | Present but separate from data path |

    ---

    ## 7. Practical guidance for using the ES2251

    ### If you want to connect a PC directly:
    1. Power off the modem for 60 seconds.
    2. Connect PC --> modem.
    3. Power on the modem.
    4. PC should obtain a **public IP** via DHCP.

    ### If you want to use your own router:
    Same steps as above - the routerrCOs WAN port will receive the public IP.

    ### If you want LAN NAT, firewalling, WirCaFi, etc.:
    You must supply your own router; the ES2251 does not provide these functions.

    ---

    ## FollowrCaup question for you
    Do you want to run the PC as a direct WANrCaconnected host (public IP, no firewall),
    or are you trying to determine whether you can bypass SpectrumrCOs router for a custom firewall (pfSense, OPNsense, Linux router)?

    ********************* End: CoPilot Answer ****************************

    With no DHCP server for LAN clients, the LLM-AI claims you get a public
    IP for one PC computer. You've got almost no control at all. Using
    a router should help in this case. Now, all you need is a router that
    does not bog the datarate too much. I have a router here, the WAN side
    function does not exceed about 18 Mbit/sec, and connected to a 2500 Mbit/sec modem, that would be a seriously bad solution :-) It's up to you to decide
    what whizzy router to connect. I have nothing in the house, as a router,
    that comes remotely close to doing this.

    There's no username/password to set up on the WAN side of the router.
    There will be an admin:password to get into the router web page.
    And there, you can set up DHCP for your LAN addresses like 192.168.1.x .
    What comes out of the modem, is a public address like 11.22.33.44 .

    Paul

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  • From VanguardLH@V@nguard.LH to alt.windows7.general on Tue Sep 15 12:52:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    "David E. Ross" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

    The diagram in the User Guide shows a Wifi router connected to the
    modem through an ethernet port. We do not use Wifi.

    The User Guide does not describe how the two unused ports (near the
    top of the back of the modem) are used. The diagram shows a phone
    connected through one of those ports. That would be for a VOIP
    phone, but we do not have VOIP phones.

    There is only *ONE* Ethernet port. If not using wifi then you are using
    wired, and there is only 1 port to connect 1 device. Yet you say you
    want to connect 2 devices: yours and your wife's. You will need a
    router to add more ports than the one LAN port in the modem. If you
    don't use wifi on any devices, including any mobile phones, then you
    don't need a router with wifi. The manual shows using a router which is
    needed if you want more than just 1 device on the LAN. You have 2
    devices. You have 1 LAN port on the modem. You need a router to have
    2, or more, LAN ports.

    The phone ports are connected using twisted pair to landline phones, not
    for VOIP (SIP) phones. As the manual states, page 2, "Voice 1-2: Use to connect *ANALOG* telephones to the device". Those phone ports go to
    either directly to landline phones, or to the twisted pair wiring in
    your house one phone port (or to both ports if you have 2-line twisted
    pair running through your home). 2 of the channels in the modem are
    dedicated for phone use. They convert landline wires to digital signals
    to your telcom (which would be your ISP). Again, those phone port are
    *not* for VOIP/SIP phones. They are for landline phones. If your
    landline phones work without using the cable modem then you have twisted
    pair running out your home to the telephone pole. Or, maybe you are
    using only mobile/cell phones at your home, and foregoing landline
    phones altogether.
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  • From VanguardLH@V@nguard.LH to alt.windows7.general on Tue Sep 15 12:56:40 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

    You have 1 LAN port on the modem. You need a router to have
    2, or more, LAN ports.

    Oh, you also need a router (without wifi, or with even if you don't use
    it now, so just disable wifi in the router) that supports 2.5 Gbps to
    match the 2.5 Gpbs LAN port on the modem. Else, if you get a slower
    modem then you truncate the speed of the modem's LAN port. However, you
    would have to check what speed your devices support. They may only go
    up to 1 Gbps, so you'll never get the 2.5 Gbps speed (if your ISP is
    offering it to you) until you replace the 1 Gbps port on your devices
    with 2.5 Gpbs NICs.
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.windows7.general on Tue Sep 15 19:40:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On 2026/9/15 18:52:57, VanguardLH wrote:
    "David E. Ross" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
    []
    The User Guide does not describe how the two unused ports (near the
    top of the back of the modem) are used. The diagram shows a phone
    connected through one of those ports. That would be for a VOIP
    phone, but we do not have VOIP phones.

    There is only *ONE* Ethernet port. If not using wifi then you are using
    []
    The phone ports are connected using twisted pair to landline phones, not
    for VOIP (SIP) phones. As the manual states, page 2, "Voice 1-2: Use to connect *ANALOG* telephones to the device". Those phone ports go to
    either directly to landline phones, or to the twisted pair wiring in
    []
    to your telcom (which would be your ISP). Again, those phone port are
    *not* for VOIP/SIP phones. They are for landline phones. If your
    []
    In other words, the box includes the ATA (analogue telephone adapter)
    needed to use an analogue 'phone with VoIP, inside it. Possibly two of
    them, unless the sockets are just wired in parallel. Or, if your part of
    the world is continuing to have landlines available and the box is
    connected to the original copper 'phone line, then it just passes
    through those sockets (possibly with some filtering). I didn't think
    many parts of the world were keeping landlines much beyond the next few
    months.

    In UK, which is going through the VoIP transition, those ISPs who
    support VoIP are supplying a box (usually referred to as a "router"
    here, but actually contains MoDem, router, switch, and Wifi
    transceivers) with _one_ analogue 'phone socket (i. e. the ATA built
    into the box), or have already done so in anticipation of the change; I
    am not aware of any of them supplying one with _two_ 'phone sockets. Not
    all ISPs - more accurately now, ICPs - _are_ supporting VoIP. A large proportion of UK homes have switched to mobile (cellular) for 'phone
    purposes anyway, so will not notice the loss of the landline, though
    businesses may want to keep their number (so have to go VoIP). [UK
    numbers are distinguishable: mobile numbers start with 07, landline
    numbers do not.]--
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Religion is a name for opinion that cannot be argued about.
    [Heard on Radio 4, 2010-10-18, 9:xx.]

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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.windows7.general on Tue Sep 15 16:01:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On Tue, 9/15/2026 2:40 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2026/9/15 18:52:57, VanguardLH wrote:
    "David E. Ross" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
    []
    The User Guide does not describe how the two unused ports (near the
    top of the back of the modem) are used. The diagram shows a phone
    connected through one of those ports. That would be for a VOIP
    phone, but we do not have VOIP phones.

    There is only *ONE* Ethernet port. If not using wifi then you are using
    []
    The phone ports are connected using twisted pair to landline phones, not
    for VOIP (SIP) phones. As the manual states, page 2, "Voice 1-2: Use to
    connect *ANALOG* telephones to the device". Those phone ports go to
    either directly to landline phones, or to the twisted pair wiring in
    []
    to your telcom (which would be your ISP). Again, those phone port are
    *not* for VOIP/SIP phones. They are for landline phones. If your
    []
    In other words, the box includes the ATA (analogue telephone adapter)
    needed to use an analogue 'phone with VoIP, inside it. Possibly two of
    them, unless the sockets are just wired in parallel. Or, if your part of
    the world is continuing to have landlines available and the box is
    connected to the original copper 'phone line, then it just passes
    through those sockets (possibly with some filtering). I didn't think
    many parts of the world were keeping landlines much beyond the next few months.

    In UK, which is going through the VoIP transition, those ISPs who
    support VoIP are supplying a box (usually referred to as a "router"
    here, but actually contains MoDem, router, switch, and Wifi
    transceivers) with _one_ analogue 'phone socket (i. e. the ATA built
    into the box), or have already done so in anticipation of the change; I
    am not aware of any of them supplying one with _two_ 'phone sockets. Not
    all ISPs - more accurately now, ICPs - _are_ supporting VoIP. A large proportion of UK homes have switched to mobile (cellular) for 'phone
    purposes anyway, so will not notice the loss of the landline, though businesses may want to keep their number (so have to go VoIP). [UK
    numbers are distinguishable: mobile numbers start with 07, landline
    numbers do not.]--
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    The VOIP-ATA boxes here (Can/US), tend to have two RJ11 ports.
    (You can save money, by buying a device with the one port.)

    https://www.voipsupply.com/media/version1789436726/catalog/product/cache/f0261c5664a0d8fb5218c1fc9f54366f/f/8/f8850eb8-7e53-4eed-9a5a-c91df95985a4_orig.jpg

    I use the same phone number as I had on "POTS", for the VOIP-ATA.
    The VOIP company does a "pull" and "yanks" the phone number away
    from your previous supplier of phone service. The scheme is set up
    that way, so the bozos in the "retention department" cannot prevent
    you from leaving the previous supplier.

    Paul


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  • From David E. Ross@nobody@nowhere.invalid to alt.windows7.general on Tue Sep 15 17:55:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On 9/15/2026 9:28 AM, David E. Ross wrote:

    [snipped}

    From the User Guide suggested by Ed Cryer, it appears that I might not >>>> need a router. Instead, I can try connecting my and my wife's PCs
    directly to the modem. However, I am concerned whether I will then be >>>> able to change what DNS addresses I use; I review and update my choice >>>> of DNS about quarterly. With a separate modem, I change the DNS address >>>> both on my and my wife's PCs and on my router.

    [snipped]

    Okay. I was curious about bypassing my Netgear router. It is 5+ years
    old and only passes 100 MB/sec while Spectrum and its modem can deliver
    faster.

    I will keep the Netgear router. Even if it is not the fastest, it works
    quite well and is fast enough.
    --

    David E. Ross
    <http://www.rossde.com>

    NO, not everyone has a smart phone. My wife and I have
    "dumb cell phones" and a land-line. Neither of us can
    handle QR codes, reply to text messages, or have any
    kind of phone-based Internet connections. We have no APS
    on any phone. We can send and receive photos only
    through our desktop PCs.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.windows7.general on Tue Sep 15 23:09:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On Tue, 9/15/2026 8:55 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
    On 9/15/2026 9:28 AM, David E. Ross wrote:

    [snipped}

    From the User Guide suggested by Ed Cryer, it appears that I might not >>>>> need a router. Instead, I can try connecting my and my wife's PCs
    directly to the modem. However, I am concerned whether I will then be >>>>> able to change what DNS addresses I use; I review and update my choice >>>>> of DNS about quarterly. With a separate modem, I change the DNS address >>>>> both on my and my wife's PCs and on my router.

    [snipped]

    Okay. I was curious about bypassing my Netgear router. It is 5+ years
    old and only passes 100 MB/sec while Spectrum and its modem can deliver faster.

    I will keep the Netgear router. Even if it is not the fastest, it works quite well and is fast enough.


    You can connect a PC directly to that modem, as would be expected
    of a modem. You could do that long enough to do a SpeedTest.net
    and prove the modem is delivering the up-and-down when the
    channels are bonded. With no encapsulation (according to the LLM-AI),
    the PC doesn't have to "terminate anything" and the speedtest can
    run at wire speed. Up to the limits of your OS and CPU, whatever
    they happen to be.

    The Speedtest terminating equipment would normally be located in
    your Spectrum facility -- such tests don't travel over the Internet
    so that you can characterize the broadband rate you are paying for,
    with better accuracy.

    When doing that, as the LLM-AI indicated, you would have to do the
    "MAC ceremony", to drop the MAC the Netgear uses and accept the MAC address
    of the PC. And repeat the ceremony when going back to the Netgear.
    That's unlike some other broadband choices, where you can change
    the house-side gear willy-nilly... as long as you enter the username/password for protocol termination in each of those pieces of equipment. The
    cable uses the MAC address as an indication of who-you-might-be.
    At one time, you had to phone the (cable) ISP to change the MAC binding.

    You would only need faster than that, if you think there are other
    kinds of nodes on the Internet that can serve files faster than 100MB/sec.

    The (personally owned) router you've got, gives you access to
    settings you can change. Whereas the modem is most likely to be a "brick",
    and even if it is known to be at 192.168.100.1, you might not be
    allowed to do anything at that address in terms of settings.

    If you were to connect the PC to the modem, you would see an IPV4
    public address (not a 192.168 kind). In a Command Prompt, if
    you did "ipconfig", it would report the single PC connected
    to the modem is at 11.22.33.44 . A public WAN address. If
    Google wanted to port-scan you, they could :-)

    Paul
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  • From Mark Lloyd@not.email@all.invalid to alt.windows7.general on Wed Sep 16 16:19:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On 15 Sep 2026 17:38:50 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

    David E. Ross <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

    [snip]

    Strange configuration - I would expect four or at minimum two Ethernet ports - but apparenly this provider assumes everyone is using Wi-Fi.

    Multiple ethernet ports and WiFi are things you'd expect on a router, not
    a modem, although I have heard of a modem with 2 ethernet ports that could
    be combined for higher speed.
    --
    100 days until the winter celebration (Friday, December 25, 2026 12:00
    AM for 1 day).

    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "To kill a man is not to defend a doctrine, but to kill a man." [Michael Servetus]
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  • From Mark Lloyd@not.email@all.invalid to alt.windows7.general on Wed Sep 16 16:45:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 09:16:30 -0700, David E. Ross wrote:

    [snip]

    A modem (not router) probably allows only one device to be connected.


    Combination modem-routers are quite common now.

    Yes. The device referred to in this thread appears to be a modem/ATA. No router.

    I want a separate router since it is my network and they shouldn't have access/control.

    There are two currently
    unused ports on the back of the modem. I did not look at them carefully
    to see if they are ethernet ports, which are needed to connect our PCs.

    They are probably phone ports, which are a little narrower (6 wire with
    only 2 or 4 connected) rather than ethernet (8 wires). Are you getting
    home phone service from your ISP?

    For 2 or more PCs, you'll need a router (I suggest getting your own, not
    from the ISP). Also you can use one of the PCs as a router, you'll need 2 ethernet interfaces for that.

    BTW, when I had cable internet I could use my own modem, but had to use
    their ATA (telephone adapter) which had jacks for 2 lines. I currently
    have fiber internet, and their device (which they call ONT rather than
    modem) has jacks for 2 phone lines.
    --
    100 days until the winter celebration (Friday, December 25, 2026 12:00
    AM for 1 day).

    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "To kill a man is not to defend a doctrine, but to kill a man." [Michael Servetus]
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  • From Mark Lloyd@not.email@all.invalid to alt.windows7.general on Wed Sep 16 16:52:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 17:55:59 -0700, David E. Ross wrote:

    [snip]

    Okay. I was curious about bypassing my Netgear router. It is 5+ years
    old and only passes 100 MB/sec while Spectrum and its modem can deliver faster.

    I will keep the Netgear router. Even if it is not the fastest, it works quite well and is fast enough.

    I recently talked to a neighbor who had a similar situation. He decided it
    was fast enough too. I remember when the only internet speeds you could
    get (POTS) were way too slow. That's changed, and 100Mb/s is fast enough
    for most people (you probably DON'T need gigabit).

    I got cable internet when it became available here in 2003 and the speed
    was 1Mb/s. During the next 20 years it went through speeds of 1, 4, 8, 10,
    15, 50, and 100Mb/s. When it went to fifty, I had to get a new modem
    (DOCSIS 3).
    --
    100 days until the winter celebration (Friday, December 25, 2026 12:00
    AM for 1 day).

    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "To kill a man is not to defend a doctrine, but to kill a man." [Michael Servetus]
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  • From Mark Lloyd@not.email@all.invalid to alt.windows7.general on Wed Sep 16 16:58:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 19:40:17 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    [snip]

    In other words, the box includes the ATA (analogue telephone adapter)
    needed to use an analogue 'phone with VoIP, inside it. Possibly two of
    them, unless the sockets are just wired in parallel. Or, if your part of
    the world is continuing to have landlines available and the box is
    connected to the original copper 'phone line, then it just passes
    through those sockets (possibly with some filtering). I didn't think
    many parts of the world were keeping landlines much beyond the next few months.

    I've talked to some people (US, east Texas) who still have an old copper
    phone line. They say the company will be discontinuing service in
    November. They will be using fixed wireless.

    [snip]

    I think you want a sig seperator here. Thats -- (dash-dash-space) on its
    own line.

    Religion is a name for opinion that cannot be argued about.
    [Heard on Radio 4, 2010-10-18, 9:xx.]
    --
    100 days until the winter celebration (Friday, December 25, 2026 12:00
    AM for 1 day).

    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "To kill a man is not to defend a doctrine, but to kill a man." [Michael Servetus]
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.windows7.general on Wed Sep 16 18:18:48 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On 2026/9/16 17:58:57, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 19:40:17 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    [snip]

    In other words, the box includes the ATA (analogue telephone adapter)
    needed to use an analogue 'phone with VoIP, inside it. Possibly two of
    them, unless the sockets are just wired in parallel. Or, if your part of
    the world is continuing to have landlines available and the box is
    connected to the original copper 'phone line, then it just passes
    through those sockets (possibly with some filtering). I didn't think
    many parts of the world were keeping landlines much beyond the next few
    months.

    I've talked to some people (US, east Texas) who still have an old copper phone line. They say the company will be discontinuing service in
    November. They will be using fixed wireless.

    Yes - January 2027 is I think the date for the UK. (I still have my
    copper line - both my 'phone and broadband come via it - but I've had
    the notice from my ISP that the former will cease.)>
    [snip]

    I think you want a sig seperator here. Thats -- (dash-dash-space) on its own line.

    It was there in the bit you snipped - unfortunately, it wasn't on its
    own line. Thunderbird is to blame: since about the update from 149esr to 153esr, its compose editor has started to mangle linefeeds again (as it
    did several updates ago; they'd more or less fixed it, but it's gone
    wrong again). For example, in what I'm typing now, the above paragraph
    ending "cease.)" has a ">" after it on a line by itself as I see it -
    but what TB will actually send will have the ">" tacked onto the end of
    that line. Same for this paragraph in fact.>
    Religion is a name for opinion that cannot be argued about.
    [Heard on Radio 4, 2010-10-18, 9:xx.]

    (Which, as you say, should have been snipped, if the separator line
    hadn't had its leading newline swallowed.)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    You know a song is good when it makes you feel homesick for a place
    you've never been to.
    -"DeaDevi" on YouTube, 2025-6-10 on hearing "California Dreamin'"
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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.windows7.general on Thu Sep 17 20:25:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On 17/09/2026 2:58 am, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 19:40:17 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    [snip]

    In other words, the box includes the ATA (analogue telephone adapter)
    needed to use an analogue 'phone with VoIP, inside it. Possibly two of
    them, unless the sockets are just wired in parallel. Or, if your part of
    the world is continuing to have landlines available and the box is
    connected to the original copper 'phone line, then it just passes
    through those sockets (possibly with some filtering). I didn't think
    many parts of the world were keeping landlines much beyond the next few
    months.

    I've talked to some people (US, east Texas) who still have an old copper phone line. They say the company will be discontinuing service in
    November. They will be using fixed wireless.

    I live about 70km/40miles north of Melbourne, Victoria, Australia and I
    still have a Landline Phone (which also handles my Internet connection
    via a modem box near the phone socket).

    As I understand it, the phone connection is Digital to the big box in
    the street then analogue (copper line) to my home wall socket (which is actually in the Master Bedroom).

    I also have a mobile phone. ;-P
    --
    Daniel70
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.windows7.general on Thu Sep 17 11:30:34 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On Thu, 9/17/2026 6:25 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 17/09/2026 2:58 am, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 19:40:17 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    [snip]

    In other words, the box includes the ATA (analogue telephone adapter)
    needed to use an analogue 'phone with VoIP, inside it. Possibly two of
    them, unless the sockets are just wired in parallel. Or, if your part of >>> the world is continuing to have landlines available and the box is
    connected to the original copper 'phone line, then it just passes
    through those sockets (possibly with some filtering). I didn't think
    many parts of the world were keeping landlines much beyond the next few
    months.

    I've talked to some people (US, east Texas) who still have an old copper
    phone line. They say the company will be discontinuing service in
    November. They will be using fixed wireless.

    I live about 70km/40miles north of Melbourne, Victoria, Australia and I still have a Landline Phone (which also handles my Internet connection via a modem box near the phone socket).

    As I understand it, the phone connection is Digital to the big box in the street then analogue (copper line) to my home wall socket (which is actually in the Master Bedroom).

    I also have a mobile phone. ;-P


    Landline phones are hardly ever the old scheme any more.

    A lot of the replacement schemes, you lose dial tone on
    a power outage. And it's not "because your modem didn't
    have that battery", it's provider infrastructure that
    doesn't have power during an outage. My VOIP cannot work
    when the power goes off, because the box at the corner
    runs off mains and has no battery.

    And just yesterday, as an example of modern times, all
    the 911 service hosted by a telco, went out at the same
    time (likely a software update). The police were telling
    people to phone a local number, a 123-456-7890 type number,
    if there was an emergency. And in an emergency, isn't that
    the time you "want to be doing research" ? It's good
    after the outage, to learn what the number was that you
    were supposed to phone.

    Quite a few people, when they drive off the road and
    have a smashup, they reach for their smartphone... and
    there's no tower within reach. It's one thing for the
    rural towers to have no emergency generator, quite
    another for there to be no tower to make a call.

    That's when you reach for that expensive SatPhone on
    your land yacht :-) That always works.

    Paul
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  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to alt.windows7.general on Thu Sep 17 17:59:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:
    On 15 Sep 2026 17:38:50 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

    David E. Ross <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

    [snip]

    Strange configuration - I would expect four or at minimum two Ethernet ports - but apparenly this provider assumes everyone is using Wi-Fi.

    Multiple ethernet ports and WiFi are things you'd expect on a router, not
    a modem, although I have heard of a modem with 2 ethernet ports that could be combined for higher speed.

    Correct. I was confused by David's mention of "Wifi router", but that
    was apparently an *external* router, not a built-in one. And the

    <https://techinfodepot.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Spectrum_ES2251>

    page indeed says

    "Supported 802dot11 protocols none"

    so it's indeed only a modem, not a modem+router combination.
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.windows7.general on Thu Sep 17 19:47:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On 2026/9/17 11:25:10, Daniel70 wrote:
    []
    I live about 70km/40miles north of Melbourne, Victoria, Australia and I still have a Landline Phone (which also handles my Internet connection
    via a modem box near the phone socket).

    As I understand it, the phone connection is Digital to the big box in
    the street then analogue (copper line) to my home wall socket (which is actually in the Master Bedroom).

    Certainly, your broadband - if it comes via the same wire - will be
    that: in UK we call that FTTC, fibre to the cabinet, as opposed to full
    fibre to your home, FTTP (premises). It's quite likely that your 'phone
    is similar - i. e. the ATA (analogue telephone adapter) is in the street cabinet.>
    I also have a mobile phone. ;-P

    --
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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.windows7.general on Fri Sep 18 19:05:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On 18/09/2026 4:47 am, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2026/9/17 11:25:10, Daniel70 wrote: []
    I live about 70km/40miles north of Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
    and I still have a Landline Phone (which also handles my Internet
    connection via a modem box near the phone socket).

    As I understand it, the phone connection is Digital to the big box
    in the street then analogue (copper line) to my home wall socket
    (which is actually in the Master Bedroom).

    Certainly, your broadband - if it comes via the same wire - will be
    that: in UK we call that FTTC, fibre to the cabinet,

    Yeap, here they called it "FTN", Fibre to the Node!! You say "Either", I
    say "Either"!! (Yes, I know that doesn't work in text mode but,
    hopefully, you get what I mean!)

    as opposed to full fibre to your home, FTTP (premises). It's quite
    likely that your 'phone is similar - i. e. the ATA (analogue
    telephone adapter) is in the street cabinet.

    Yeap!

    I also have a mobile phone. ;-P

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  • From Mark Lloyd@not.email@all.invalid to alt.windows7.general on Fri Sep 18 16:27:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.windows7.general

    On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 11:30:34 -0400, Paul wrote:

    On Thu, 9/17/2026 6:25 AM, Daniel70 wrote:

    [snip]

    Landline phones are hardly ever the old scheme any more.

    A lot of the replacement schemes, you lose dial tone on a power outage.
    And it's not "because your modem didn't have that battery", it's
    provider infrastructure that doesn't have power during an outage. My
    VOIP cannot work when the power goes off, because the box at the corner
    runs off mains and has no battery.

    When I had cable for phone/internet, the node here had a battery that
    would keep it working for about 4 hours. Once they brought a generator by then, usually not. Since the outages here are limited area, cell phones usually still work.

    And just yesterday, as an example of modern times, all the 911 service
    hosted by a telco, went out at the same time (likely a software update).
    The police were telling people to phone a local number, a 123-456-7890
    type number,
    if there was an emergency. And in an emergency, isn't that the time you
    "want to be doing research" ? It's good after the outage, to learn what
    the number was that you were supposed to phone.

    Quite a few people, when they drive off the road and have a smashup,
    they reach for their smartphone... and there's no tower within reach.
    It's one thing for the rural towers to have no emergency generator,
    quite another for there to be no tower to make a call.

    That's when you reach for that expensive SatPhone on your land yacht :-)
    That always works.

    Paul
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