• 2030 is near...

    From JJ@jj4public@gmail.com to alt.windows7.general on Sun Jun 14 04:03:17 2026
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    If you forgot or don't yet know, there's a date format setting for 2-digits year. i.e.:

    Control Panel
    Clock, Language, and Region
    -> Region and Language

    On the shown dialog, press the "Additional settings" button.

    On the sub dialog, switch to the "Date" tab.

    The setting is in the "Calendar" group (bottom of dialog).

    By default in Windows 7, it's set to 2029.

    FYI, Windows 11's default setting is 2049.
    So that can be used as a guide for the new common default setting.
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.windows7.general on Sun Jun 14 07:26:34 2026
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    On 2026/6/13 22:3:17, JJ wrote:
    If you forgot or don't yet know, there's a date format setting for 2-digits year. i.e.:

    If anyone else is wondering what this is about, it's how Windows
    interprets it when you enter a two-digit year. (I haven't used two-digit
    years since before y2k, but I suppose some people - perhaps especially
    in USA? - still do.)

    Control Panel
    Clock, Language, and Region
    -> Region and Language

    On the shown dialog, press the "Additional settings" button.

    On the sub dialog, switch to the "Date" tab.

    The setting is in the "Calendar" group (bottom of dialog).

    By default in Windows 7, it's set to 2029.

    FYI, Windows 11's default setting is 2049.
    So that can be used as a guide for the new common default setting.

    In my Windows 10 (took me ages to find it!), it's the same as 11 - i. e.
    a two-digit year is assumed to mean a year between 1950 and 2049. (It's
    the latter date you set; the former is then calculated.)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    There should be a place on the ballot paper for 'None of the above',
    and if enough people filled that in, the system might start to change.
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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.windows7.general on Sun Jun 14 18:48:45 2026
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    On 14/06/2026 4:26 pm, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2026/6/13 22:3:17, JJ wrote:
    If you forgot or don't yet know, there's a date format setting for 2-digits >> year. i.e.:

    If anyone else is wondering what this is about, it's how Windows
    interprets it when you enter a two-digit year. (I haven't used two-digit years since before y2k, but I suppose some people - perhaps especially
    in USA? - still do.)

    Control Panel
    Clock, Language, and Region
    -> Region and Language

    On the shown dialog, press the "Additional settings" button.

    On the sub dialog, switch to the "Date" tab.

    The setting is in the "Calendar" group (bottom of dialog).

    By default in Windows 7, it's set to 2029.

    FYI, Windows 11's default setting is 2049.
    So that can be used as a guide for the new common default setting.

    In my Windows 10 (took me ages to find it!), it's the same as 11 - i. e.
    a two-digit year is assumed to mean a year between 1950 and 2049. (It's
    the latter date you set; the former is then calculated.)

    What happens if you set that latter date to 2099??

    Is 2049 when Microsoft expect everyone to have left Win-11??
    --
    Daniel70
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.windows7.general on Sun Jun 14 11:25:16 2026
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    On 2026/6/14 9:48:45, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 14/06/2026 4:26 pm, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    []
    If anyone else is wondering what this is about, it's how Windows
    interprets it when you enter a two-digit year. (I haven't used two-digit
    years since before y2k, but I suppose some people - perhaps especially
    in USA? - still do.)
    []
    FYI, Windows 11's default setting is 2049.
    So that can be used as a guide for the new common default setting.

    In my Windows 10 (took me ages to find it!), it's the same as 11 - i. e.
    a two-digit year is assumed to mean a year between 1950 and 2049. (It's
    the latter date you set; the former is then calculated.)

    What happens if you set that latter date to 2099??

    Interesting thought! Try it.

    Is 2049 when Microsoft expect everyone to have left Win-11??

    Could be - or, more likely (from experience in genealogy circles and elsewhere), it's probably thought that, as of when 11 (and 10) came out,
    they thought that people were more likely to be talking about years in
    the range 1950=2049 when they used two-digit years.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    rCLMy father used to say that the third-rate brain thought with the
    majority, the second-rate brain thought with the minority and the
    first-rate brain thought for itself. His was, and he wanted mine to be,
    a first-rate brain. I would have to think and decide for myself.rCY ~C.R.Milne --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Ralph Fox@-rf-nz-@-.invalid to alt.windows7.general on Mon Jun 15 16:55:07 2026
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    On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 04:03:17 +0700, JJ wrote:

    If you forgot or don't yet know, there's a date format setting for 2-digits year. i.e.:

    Control Panel
    Clock, Language, and Region
    -> Region and Language

    On the shown dialog, press the "Additional settings" button.

    On the sub dialog, switch to the "Date" tab.

    The setting is in the "Calendar" group (bottom of dialog).

    By default in Windows 7, it's set to 2029.

    FYI, Windows 11's default setting is 2049.
    So that can be used as a guide for the new common default setting.


    Thank you for the reminder.

    I have also updated my VMs containing these versions of Windows:

    Windows XP
    ==========
    Control Panel
    Region and Language Options
    -a-a-a-a >> click the rCLCustomizerCY button
    -a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a >> switch to the rCLDaterCY tab
    The setting is in the rCLCalendarrCY group (top of dialog).


    Windows 98
    ==========
    Control Panel
    Regional Settings
    -a-a-a-a >> switch to the rCLDaterCY tab
    The setting is in the rCLCalendarrCY group (top of dialog).
    --
    Kind regards
    Ralph Fox
    EfaeN+A

    How can the fole amble, when the hor++e and mare trot.
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  • From JJ@jj4public@gmail.com to alt.windows7.general on Mon Jun 15 13:38:33 2026
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    On Mon, 15 Jun 2026 16:55:07 +1200, Ralph Fox wrote:

    Thank you for the reminder.

    I have also updated my VMs containing these versions of Windows:

    Windows XP
    ==========
    Control Panel
    Region and Language Options
    aaaa >> click the |Customizei button
    aaaaaaaa >> switch to the |Datei tab
    The setting is in the |Calendari group (top of dialog).

    Windows 98
    ==========
    Control Panel
    Regional Settings
    aaaa >> switch to the |Datei tab
    The setting is in the |Calendari group (top of dialog).

    I forgot to update my VMs. XD

    Well, that got me wondering since when exactly did the new 2049 setting was applied.

    It seems that, it was applied starting in either Windows 10 version 1809 or version 1903/19H1. I don't know exactly since I don't have the version 1809. Earlier versions (version 1803 and older) are still using 2029.

    The 2-digits year setting itself was implemented starting in Windows 98. There's none yet in Windows 95 OSR2 and Windows NT 4.0 SP6.
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  • From JJ@jj4public@gmail.com to alt.windows7.general on Mon Jun 15 13:42:26 2026
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    On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 07:26:34 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    In my Windows 10 (took me ages to find it!), it's the same as 11 - i. e.
    a two-digit year is assumed to mean a year between 1950 and 2049. (It's
    the latter date you set; the former is then calculated.)

    Using the Start Menu's search feature seems to be faster, using `date`
    keyword. That'll show a result entry which is something like "Change date
    and time format".
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.windows7.general on Mon Jun 15 09:02:05 2026
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    On Mon, 6/15/2026 2:42 AM, JJ wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 07:26:34 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    In my Windows 10 (took me ages to find it!), it's the same as 11 - i. e.
    a two-digit year is assumed to mean a year between 1950 and 2049. (It's
    the latter date you set; the former is then calculated.)

    Using the Start Menu's search feature seems to be faster, using `date` keyword. That'll show a result entry which is something like "Change date
    and time format".


    Win11 still has control panels.

    [Picture] Win11-region-control-panel-2049.gif

    https://postimg.cc/Hck1pnSb

    https://imgur.com/a/JIo72Tp

    Paul
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.windows7.general on Mon Jun 15 14:54:36 2026
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    On 2026/6/15 7:38:33, JJ wrote:
    []
    It seems that, it was applied starting in either Windows 10 version 1809 or version 1903/19H1. I don't know exactly since I don't have the version 1809. Earlier versions (version 1803 and older) are still using 2029.

    The 2-digits year setting itself was implemented starting in Windows 98. There's none yet in Windows 95 OSR2 and Windows NT 4.0 SP6.

    Interesting.

    I'm surprised people are still using 2-digit years.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    He who prides himself on giving what he thinks the public wants is
    often creating a fictitious demand for low standards which he will then satisfy.
    - Lord Reith
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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.windows7.general on Tue Jun 16 21:44:31 2026
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    On 14/06/2026 6:48 pm, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 14/06/2026 4:26 pm, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2026/6/13 22:3:17, JJ wrote:
    If you forgot or don't yet know, there's a date format setting for
    2-digits
    year. i.e.:

    If anyone else is wondering what this is about, it's how Windows
    interprets it when you enter a two-digit year. (I haven't used two-digit
    years since before y2k, but I suppose some people - perhaps especially
    in USA? - still do.)

    Control Panel
    Clock, Language, and Region
    -a-a-a -> Region and Language

    On the shown dialog, press the "Additional settings" button.

    On the sub dialog, switch to the "Date" tab.

    The setting is in the "Calendar" group (bottom of dialog).

    By default in Windows 7, it's set to 2029.

    FYI, Windows 11's default setting is 2049.
    So that can be used as a guide for the new common default setting.

    In my Windows 10 (took me ages to find it!), it's the same as 11 - i. e.
    a two-digit year is assumed to mean a year between 1950 and 2049. (It's
    the latter date you set; the former is then calculated.)

    What happens if you set that latter date to 2099??

    Is 2049 when Microsoft expect everyone to have left Win-11??

    Just reading some of the later posts on this thread and I was reminded
    of the 'year 2038 problem' ....

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem

    where the Clocks of some Computers/Computer System might run out of
    'Ones' and 'Zeros' in their Time-keeping systems.

    Has this been fixed/delayed by going to more and more bits??
    --
    Daniel70
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  • From JJ@jj4public@gmail.com to alt.windows7.general on Wed Jun 17 15:07:37 2026
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    On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 21:44:31 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:

    Just reading some of the later posts on this thread and I was reminded
    of the 'year 2038 problem' ....

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem

    where the Clocks of some Computers/Computer System might run out of
    'Ones' and 'Zeros' in their Time-keeping systems.

    Has this been fixed/delayed by going to more and more bits??

    That only affect *nix and *nix originated cross platform softwares.
    Which use the old 32-bit time_t date value type.
    Newer ones use the 64-bit version, which has 292 Billion years on both lower and upper limits.
    Note: newer softwares don't guarantee of them using 64-bit time_t.

    Windows native softwares (32/64 bit) have much higher date limit than 32-bit time_t. Up to year 30828. Windows originated cross platform softwares likely already use 64-bit time_t.

    Windows 3.x and older (16-bit), relies on underlying MS-DOS system.
    MS-DOS date limit is year 2099 - which also higher than 32-bit time_t.

    File systems and network protocols may have lower date limit.
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  • From Mark Lloyd@not.email@all.invalid to alt.windows7.general on Wed Jun 17 16:48:56 2026
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    On Wed, 17 Jun 2026 15:07:37 +0700, JJ wrote:

    [snip]

    Windows 3.x and older (16-bit), relies on underlying MS-DOS system.
    MS-DOS date limit is year 2099 - which also higher than 32-bit time_t.

    File systems and network protocols may have lower date limit.

    The DOS date is stored in 16 bits, as 5 bits for the day, 4 bits for the month. That leaves 7 bits for the year (based on 1980). That gives a range
    of 128 years, 1980 - 2107.

    BTW, time is in another 16 bits. 5 bits for hour, 6 bits for minute, 5
    bits for second (2 second resolution).
    --
    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "For God so loved the world that he made up his mind to damn the large
    majority of the human race." -- Robert G. Ingersoll
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  • From JJ@jj4public@gmail.com to alt.windows7.general on Thu Jun 18 14:09:11 2026
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    On 17 Jun 2026 16:48:56 GMT, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    On Wed, 17 Jun 2026 15:07:37 +0700, JJ wrote:

    [snip]

    Windows 3.x and older (16-bit), relies on underlying MS-DOS system.
    MS-DOS date limit is year 2099 - which also higher than 32-bit time_t.

    File systems and network protocols may have lower date limit.

    The DOS date is stored in 16 bits, as 5 bits for the day, 4 bits for the month. That leaves 7 bits for the year (based on 1980). That gives a range of 128 years, 1980 - 2107.

    BTW, time is in another 16 bits. 5 bits for hour, 6 bits for minute, 5
    bits for second (2 second resolution).

    Though, even if FAT file system has higher date limit, the DOS itself
    couldn't give & use a higher date value. FAT's higher date limit is only
    usable by OSes which also have higher date limit.
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