• "Believe you me"

    From occam@occam@nowhere.nix to alt.usage.english on Tue Sep 29 11:23:01 2026
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    My Scottish geography teacher used to use the expression "believe you
    me" a lot, so it has left a mark on me. The simpler 'believe me' is
    just as good, but it has less of an emphasis to it.

    I note that it is a far less used expression (see NGram) compared to the simpler version, even if it has entered many dictionaries, e.g. Collinsdictionary.com

    <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=believe+you+me%2C+believe+me&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3>


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  • From richard@richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) to alt.usage.english on Tue Sep 29 10:34:59 2026
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    In article <ni1eblFj6qU1@mid.individual.net>, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:

    My Scottish geography teacher used to use the expression "believe you
    me" a lot, so it has left a mark on me. The simpler 'believe me' is
    just as good, but it has less of an emphasis to it.

    I note that it is a far less used expression (see NGram) compared to the >simpler version, even if it has entered many dictionaries, e.g. >Collinsdictionary.com

    <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=believe+you+me%2C+believe+me&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3>

    Many occurrences of the bigram "believe me" are likely to be in quite
    different contexts from those in which the expression "believe you me"
    is used.

    -- Richard
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  • From Rich Ulrich@rich.ulrich@comcast.net to alt.usage.english on Tue Sep 29 11:10:42 2026
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    On Tue, 29 Sep 2026 10:34:59 -0000 (UTC), richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk
    (Richard Tobin) wrote:

    In article <ni1eblFj6qU1@mid.individual.net>, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:

    My Scottish geography teacher used to use the expression "believe you
    me" a lot, so it has left a mark on me. The simpler 'believe me' is
    just as good, but it has less of an emphasis to it.

    I note that it is a far less used expression (see NGram) compared to the >>simpler version, even if it has entered many dictionaries, e.g. >>Collinsdictionary.com
    <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=believe+you+me%2C+believe+me&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3>

    Many occurrences of the bigram "believe me" are likely to be in quite >different contexts from those in which the expression "believe you me"
    is used.

    Ngram has the option to specify that the phrase is the beginning of a
    sentence, using _START_ .

    "Believe you me" starts lower and hits 1 to 3% during the 20th
    century. It looks like a flat line if you ask for counts instead of
    the ratio.

    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=_START_+Believe+you+me%2F+_START_+Believe+me&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3
    --
    Rich Ulrich
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  • From richard@richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) to alt.usage.english on Tue Sep 29 15:31:03 2026
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    In article <blknbldv48gh2gtnj2742p91eof4lco4ta@4ax.com>,
    Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:

    Ngram has the option to specify that the phrase is the beginning of a >sentence, using _START_ .

    I wou expect it more at the end of a sentence. But I'm not disputing
    that "believe me" is more common, just pointing out that it's hard to
    find the right comparison.

    -- Richard
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  • From Hibou@vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid to alt.usage.english on Tue Sep 29 16:57:37 2026
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    Le 29/09/2026 |a 10:23, occam a |-crit :

    My Scottish geography teacher used to use the expression "believe you
    me" a lot, so it has left a mark on me. The simpler 'believe me' is
    just as good, but it has less of an emphasis to it. [...]


    It's a shame you didn't have Victor Meldrew in your class.

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  • From Rich Ulrich@rich.ulrich@comcast.net to alt.usage.english on Tue Sep 29 20:42:46 2026
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    On Tue, 29 Sep 2026 15:31:03 -0000 (UTC), richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk
    (Richard Tobin) wrote:

    In article <blknbldv48gh2gtnj2742p91eof4lco4ta@4ax.com>,
    Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:

    Ngram has the option to specify that the phrase is the beginning of a >>sentence, using _START_ .

    I wou expect it more at the end of a sentence. But I'm not disputing
    that "believe me" is more common, just pointing out that it's hard to
    find the right comparison.


    Right, it is hard to find a good comparison. The start of the
    sentence seems pretty unambiguous, whereas the end is
    not.

    I (just now) looked for a way to have the phrase follow a comma,
    but that does not seem to be a possibility.
    --
    Rich Ulrich
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