• Lawfare

    From occam@occam@nowhere.nix to alt.usage.english on Mon Sep 21 12:44:06 2026
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    A new word for me: 'lawfare' (cf warfare) meaning "the use of legal
    system to overwhelm an opponent, such as to stop or destroy them."

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lawfare

    I heard it used in a news report as an accusation by Meta against
    European legislators to stifle/suffocate their AI ambitions.

    Well, I never...
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  • From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@johann@myrkraverk.invalid to alt.usage.english on Mon Sep 21 18:54:35 2026
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    On 9/21/2026 6:44 PM, occam wrote:
    A new word for me: 'lawfare' (cf warfare) meaning "the use of legal
    system to overwhelm an opponent, such as to stop or destroy them."

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lawfare

    I heard it used in a news report as an accusation by Meta against
    European legislators to stifle/suffocate their AI ambitions.

    Well, I never...

    It's O.K. It's O.K. to be naive about the real world. I mean, /law-
    fare/ is a real phenomenon. The actual phenomenon is probably hundreds
    of years older than the term, but I'm not a legal historian.

    I cannot say about the E.U. vs. Meta, as I have no clue what their A.I.
    is even doing, nor do I know anything about E.U. legislators and what
    they might be up to.
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  • From Peter Moylan@peter@pmoylan.org to alt.usage.english on Mon Sep 21 21:40:58 2026
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    On 21/09/26 20:44, occam wrote:
    A new word for me: 'lawfare' (cf warfare) meaning "the use of legal
    system to overwhelm an opponent, such as to stop or destroy them."

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lawfare

    I heard it used in a news report as an accusation by Meta against
    European legislators to stifle/suffocate their AI ambitions.

    Well, I never...

    How is this different from barratry?
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  • From HVS@office@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk to alt.usage.english on Mon Sep 21 12:49:31 2026
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    On 21 Sep 2026, occam wrote

    A new word for me: 'lawfare' (cf warfare) meaning "the use of
    legal system to overwhelm an opponent, such as to stop or destroy
    them."

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lawfare

    I heard it used in a news report as an accusation by Meta against
    European legislators to stifle/suffocate their AI ambitions.

    Well, I never..

    It's similar to "SLAPPs" -- Strategic Legal Actions Against Pulic Participation, a recognised term defined as

    oan abuse of the legal process, where the primary objective is to
    harass, intimidate and financially and psychologically exhaust oneAs
    opponent via improper meanso.

    (Very popular with sanctioned Russian oligarchs, apparently.)

    There's a useful explanation (from April 2025) which also discusses
    "lawfare" and the reputational risk to law firms who represent such
    people:

    https://www.lawsociety.org.uk/topics/business-management/slapps-and-r eputational-risks


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  • From occam@occam@nowhere.nix to alt.usage.english on Mon Sep 21 17:56:56 2026
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    On 21/09/2026 13:40, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 21/09/26 20:44, occam wrote:
    A new word for me:-a 'lawfare' (cf warfare) meaning "the use of legal
    system to overwhelm an opponent, such as to stop or destroy them."

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lawfare

    I heard it used in a news report as an accusation by Meta against
    European legislators to stifle/suffocate their AI ambitions.

    Well, I never...

    How is this different from barratry?


    Barratry appears to have a touch of illegality and / or bribery? (one definition: The crime of a judge whose judgment is influenced by bribery.)

    What the EU is doing above board, as I understand it. They are putting
    in place measures to block whatever Meta (and others) are doing.

    The situation is more akin to 'working to rule' that the coal unions
    used to use in the 70s, instead of strikes. By taking all their entitled
    toilet breaks, lunch breaks, and rests between sessions, working to rule normally made production ground to a halt.
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  • From wollman@wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) to alt.usage.english on Mon Sep 21 17:54:45 2026
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    In article <nhcg3mFkjb5U1@mid.individual.net>,
    occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
    A new word for me: 'lawfare' (cf warfare) meaning "the use of legal
    system to overwhelm an opponent, such as to stop or destroy them."

    "Lawfare" is also the title of a rather slick online publication
    (originally a group blog) which reports on US national security issues
    from a legal perspective. Quoting <https://www.lawfaremedia.org/about/our-story>:

    At the time we launched this blog, rCLlawfarerCY in some quarters
    carried solely negative connotations. That is, for many people
    the terms signified, for better or worse, only the misuse or
    distortion of legal forms, as distinct from the broader,
    value-neutral sense involved in General DunlaprCOs expanded
    definition. We do not regard the term as having only negative
    connotations. For one thing, it seemed to us that the term
    also resonated on a symbolic levelrCoas BenrCOs initial post
    suggestedrCowith the simple fact that in the post-9/11 era,
    there have been innumerable sharply-contested legal debates
    relating to national securityrCoa rCLwarrCY over the content of
    national security law, as it were.

    The blog was initially established under the auspices of the Brookings Institution, a think tank where Lawfare editor-in-chief Ben Wittes
    still works, but seems to be at least formally separate now.

    -GAWollman
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  • From Rich Ulrich@rich.ulrich@comcast.net to alt.usage.english on Mon Sep 21 15:37:12 2026
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    On Mon, 21 Sep 2026 17:54:45 -0000 (UTC),
    wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) wrote:

    In article <nhcg3mFkjb5U1@mid.individual.net>,
    occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
    A new word for me: 'lawfare' (cf warfare) meaning "the use of legal
    system to overwhelm an opponent, such as to stop or destroy them."

    That's my general imipression, too.

    But I think I've seen the term used more in abstract discussions,
    than pointing to particular (offensive) examples.


    "Lawfare" is also the title of a rather slick online publication
    (originally a group blog) which reports on US national security issues
    from a legal perspective. Quoting ><https://www.lawfaremedia.org/about/our-story>:

    At the time we launched this blog, rCLlawfarerCY in some quarters
    carried solely negative connotations. That is, for many people
    the terms signified, for better or worse, only the misuse or
    distortion of legal forms, as distinct from the broader,
    value-neutral sense involved in General DunlaprCOs expanded
    definition. We do not regard the term as having only negative
    connotations. For one thing, it seemed to us that the term
    also resonated on a symbolic levelrCoas BenrCOs initial post
    suggestedrCowith the simple fact that in the post-9/11 era,
    there have been innumerable sharply-contested legal debates
    relating to national securityrCoa rCLwarrCY over the content of
    national security law, as it were.

    The blog was initially established under the auspices of the Brookings >Institution, a think tank where Lawfare editor-in-chief Ben Wittes
    still works, but seems to be at least formally separate now.

    Thanks for that info. I will be more alert in the future to who is
    using the term, for what.
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  • From Sam Plusnet@not@home.com to alt.usage.english on Mon Sep 21 20:55:21 2026
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    On 21/09/2026 12:49, HVS wrote:
    On 21 Sep 2026, occam wrote

    A new word for me: 'lawfare' (cf warfare) meaning "the use of
    legal system to overwhelm an opponent, such as to stop or destroy
    them."

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lawfare

    I heard it used in a news report as an accusation by Meta against
    European legislators to stifle/suffocate their AI ambitions.

    Well, I never..

    It's similar to "SLAPPs" -- Strategic Legal Actions Against Pulic Participation, a recognised term defined as

    rCLan abuse of the legal process, where the primary objective is to
    harass, intimidate and financially and psychologically exhaust onerCOs opponent via improper meansrCY.

    (Very popular with sanctioned Russian oligarchs, apparently.)

    There's a useful explanation (from April 2025) which also discusses
    "lawfare" and the reputational risk to law firms who represent such
    people:

    https://www.lawsociety.org.uk/topics/business-management/slapps-and-r eputational-risks

    Far from reputational damage, some law firms revel in this type of
    'work'. The name of "Carter-Ruck" comes up frequently here in the UK in
    such matters.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter-Ruck
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  • From Steve Hayes@hayesstw@telkomsa.net to alt.usage.english on Tue Sep 22 02:33:20 2026
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    On Mon, 21 Sep 2026 21:40:58 +1000, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
    wrote:

    On 21/09/26 20:44, occam wrote:
    A new word for me: 'lawfare' (cf warfare) meaning "the use of legal
    system to overwhelm an opponent, such as to stop or destroy them."

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lawfare

    I heard it used in a news report as an accusation by Meta against
    European legislators to stifle/suffocate their AI ambitions.

    Well, I never...

    How is this different from barratry?

    One of the uses of "lawfare" appears to be to sue an opponent in a
    flimsy case that you might have little hope of winn ing, in the hope
    that the legal costs would themselves destroy the opponent before that
    case was dealt with.
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  • From Peter Moylan@peter@pmoylan.org to alt.usage.english on Tue Sep 22 13:04:43 2026
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    On 22/09/26 10:33, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Mon, 21 Sep 2026 21:40:58 +1000, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
    wrote:

    On 21/09/26 20:44, occam wrote:
    A new word for me: 'lawfare' (cf warfare) meaning "the use of
    legal system to overwhelm an opponent, such as to stop or
    destroy them."

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lawfare

    I heard it used in a news report as an accusation by Meta against
    European legislators to stifle/suffocate their AI ambitions.

    Well, I never...

    How is this different from barratry?

    One of the uses of "lawfare" appears to be to sue an opponent in a
    flimsy case that you might have little hope of winn ing, in the hope
    that the legal costs would themselves destroy the opponent before
    that case was dealt with.

    Which is pretty much the definition of barratry in Australia and,
    apparently, in many other places apart from Scotland. (Scotland has a
    different definition.) However, a web search suggests that many
    jurisdictions consider the crime to be obsolete. Here's a quote from
    Wikipedia.

    <quote>
    Although it remains a crime in some jurisdictions, barratry has
    frequently been abolished as being anachronistic and obsolete.

    If barratrous litigation is deemed to be for the purpose of silencing
    critics, it is known as a strategic lawsuit against public participation (SLAPP). Jurisdictions that otherwise have no barratry laws may have
    SLAPP laws.
    </quote>

    It seems that in the USA it is a crime in some states but not in others.
    I assume that Donald Trump tries to get his barratry cases handled in
    states where it's legal. He loses the case, but being President of the
    USA is such a profitable occupation that he can outspend his victims.
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