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The linked article, from the New York Times, quotes Trump saying that
an agreement between the US, Denmark, and Greenland has "secured
permanent control over security, and all other needso in Greenland.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/18/us/politics/trump-greenland.html?unlocked_article_code=1.CVE.uB_V.zIN-gRwDRT2-&smid=url-share

Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen described it a bit differently
saying that the agreement orecognizes the sovereignty and territorial integrityo of the Kingdom of Denmark. That means the agreement falls
short of "total control".



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Tony Cooper hat am 19.09.2026 um 21:19 geschrieben:

The linked article, from the New York Times, quotes Trump saying that
an agreement between the US, Denmark, and Greenland has "secured
permanent control over security, and all other needso in Greenland.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/18/us/politics/trump-greenland.html?unlocked_article_code=1.CVE.uB_V.zIN-gRwDRT2-&smid=url-share

Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen described it a bit differently
saying that the agreement orecognizes the sovereignty and territorial integrityo of the Kingdom of Denmark. That means the agreement falls
short of "total control".

Excuse me, do you still believe any utterance coming from the mouth of
D.T.? I'd doubt it, even if he said that 2 + 2 = 4.

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On 19/09/2026 20:19, Tony Cooper wrote:

The linked article, from the New York Times, quotes Trump saying that
an agreement between the US, Denmark, and Greenland has "secured
permanent control over security, and all other needsrCY in Greenland.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/18/us/politics/trump-greenland.html?unlocked_article_code=1.CVE.uB_V.zIN-gRwDRT2-&smid=url-share

Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen described it a bit differently
saying that the agreement rCLrecognizes the sovereignty and territorial integrityrCY of the Kingdom of Denmark. That means the agreement falls
short of "total control".

I wonder if it is any more than a restatement of the long established arrangement where the US had pretty much a free hand to build bases in Greenland?
--
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Den 20.09.2026 kl. 02.26 skrev Sam Plusnet:

I wonder if it is any more than a restatement of the long established arrangement where the US had pretty much a free hand to build bases in Greenland?

The Danish politicians play it carefully and utter only satisfaction
that an agreement has been reached. We don't want to upset the Orange
Bomb until the papers have been signed. So we learn nothing about the
details.

One of our military experts says that it's probaly not more than the old agrement from 1951, but Trump has to announce it as a victory in order
not to look like the idiot that he is. He further says that there
probably won't be sent a lot of soldiers to Greenland because it makes
no military sense.

So much ado about nothing. But Greenland, Denmark and Nato can relax a
little.
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Le 20/09/2026 |a 08:27, Bertel Lund Hansen a |-crit :

[...] but Trump has to announce it as a victory in order
not to look like the idiot that he is. [...]

Well, that went well.

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On 20/09/2026 09:27, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:

Den 20.09.2026 kl. 02.26 skrev Sam Plusnet:

I wonder if it is any more than a restatement of the long established
arrangement where the US had pretty much a free hand to build bases in
Greenland?

The Danish politicians play it carefully and utter only satisfaction
that an agreement has been reached. We don't want to upset the Orange
Bomb until the papers have been signed.

Even when they are signed, they are not worth much. The M.O. for
cessation of hostilities in Iran, which he signed, was torn up a week
later.

I fear this agreement is a wedge in Greenland's open door. The Americans
will treat it a 'free pass' to trample over Greenland as they see fit.

One of our military experts says that it's probaly not more than the old agrement from 1951, but Trump has to announce it as a victory in order
not to look like the idiot that he is. He further says that there
probably won't be sent a lot of soldiers to Greenland because it makes
no military sense.

So much ado about nothing. But Greenland, Denmark and Nato can relax a little.

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On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 15:19:46 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

The linked article, from the New York Times, quotes Trump saying that
an agreement between the US, Denmark, and Greenland has "secured
permanent control over security, and all other needsrCY in Greenland.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/18/us/politics/trump-greenland.html?unlocked_article_code=1.CVE.uB_V.zIN-gRwDRT2-&smid=url-share

Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen described it a bit differently
saying that the agreement rCLrecognizes the sovereignty and territorial >integrityrCY of the Kingdom of Denmark. That means the agreement falls
short of "total control".

But does Trump know that?

He's notorious for adding new conditions between when a deal isd
agreed and when it's signed. That the art of the deal. it's all in his eponymous book.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
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On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 01:26:17 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

On 19/09/2026 20:19, Tony Cooper wrote:

The linked article, from the New York Times, quotes Trump saying that
an agreement between the US, Denmark, and Greenland has "secured
permanent control over security, and all other needso in Greenland.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/18/us/politics/trump-greenland.html?unlocked_article_code=1.CVE.uB_V.zIN-gRwDRT2-&smid=url-share

Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen described it a bit differently
saying that the agreement orecognizes the sovereignty and territorial
integrityo of the Kingdom of Denmark. That means the agreement falls
short of "total control".

I wonder if it is any more than a restatement of the long established >arrangement where the US had pretty much a free hand to build bases in >Greenland?

I thought the wording used by Trump is a good example of Trump's
normal style. Trump doesn't want to have people think of an
arrangement he's brokered as simply something that results in a
successful "deal".

He wants to make it something where he's vanquished the opposition and triumphed over great opposition.

Hence, the "total control" even if it's the same arrangement
previously agreed on. He's counting on the general public not
actually reading or understanding the agreement, and thinking that
Trump has achieved something not actually achieved because all they
know about the arrangement is his description of the outcome.



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On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 16:41:08 +0200, Steve Hayes
<hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 15:19:46 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

The linked article, from the New York Times, quotes Trump saying that
an agreement between the US, Denmark, and Greenland has "secured
permanent control over security, and all other needso in Greenland.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/18/us/politics/trump-greenland.html?unlocked_article_code=1.CVE.uB_V.zIN-gRwDRT2-&smid=url-share

Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen described it a bit differently >>saying that the agreement orecognizes the sovereignty and territorial >>integrityo of the Kingdom of Denmark. That means the agreement falls
short of "total control".

But does Trump know that?

I don't know how that can be determined. Most of us have blind spots
in our self-awareness.

I think he just refuses to accept that things aren't perceived by
others as he thinks they should be perceived.

He's notorious for adding new conditions between when a deal isd
agreed and when it's signed. That the art of the deal. it's all in his >eponymous book.

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On 20/09/2026 15:41, Steve Hayes wrote:

On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 15:19:46 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

The linked article, from the New York Times, quotes Trump saying that
an agreement between the US, Denmark, and Greenland has "secured
permanent control over security, and all other needsrCY in Greenland.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/18/us/politics/trump-greenland.html?unlocked_article_code=1.CVE.uB_V.zIN-gRwDRT2-&smid=url-share

Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen described it a bit differently
saying that the agreement rCLrecognizes the sovereignty and territorial
integrityrCY of the Kingdom of Denmark. That means the agreement falls
short of "total control".

But does Trump know that?

He's notorious for adding new conditions between when a deal isd
agreed and when it's signed. That the art of the deal. it's all in his eponymous book.

But has he read it?
--
Sam Plusnet
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On 21/09/26 04:28, Sam Plusnet wrote:

On 20/09/2026 15:41, Steve Hayes wrote:

On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 15:19:46 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen described it a bit
differently saying that the agreement rCLrecognizes the sovereignty
and territorial integrityrCY of the Kingdom of Denmark. That means
the agreement falls short of "total control".

But does Trump know that?

He's notorious for adding new conditions between when a deal isd
agreed and when it's signed. That the art of the deal. it's all in
his eponymous book.

But has he read it?

He never will. His assistants have known for a long time that written
material for his eyes must be less than a page long, because he refuses
to read beyond that point. His brain cell freezes up, or something like
that.
--
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
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On 20/09/26 10:26, Sam Plusnet wrote:

On 19/09/2026 20:19, Tony Cooper wrote:

The linked article, from the New York Times, quotes Trump saying
that an agreement between the US, Denmark, and Greenland has
"secured permanent control over security, and all other needsrCY in
Greenland.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/18/us/politics/trump-greenland.html?unlocked_article_code=1.CVE.uB_V.zIN-gRwDRT2-&smid=url-share

Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen described it a bit
differently saying that the agreement rCLrecognizes the sovereignty
and territorial integrityrCY of the Kingdom of Denmark. That means
the agreement falls short of "total control".

I wonder if it is any more than a restatement of the long established
arrangement where the US had pretty much a free hand to build bases
in Greenland?

It's interesting to see Trump's stated motivation for having an
increased military presence in Greenland. With the melting of sea ice,
new passages will open up for sea navigation in the Arctic. Apparently
that will change the security situation.

So far, he's managed to get that across without ever mentioning global
warming.
--
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
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Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:

On 20/09/26 10:26, Sam Plusnet wrote:

On 19/09/2026 20:19, Tony Cooper wrote:

The linked article, from the New York Times, quotes Trump saying
that an agreement between the US, Denmark, and Greenland has
"secured permanent control over security, and all other needs" in
Greenland.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/18/us/politics/trump-greenland.html?unlocke

d_article_code=1.CVE.uB_V.zIN-gRwDRT2-&smid=url-share

Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen described it a bit
differently saying that the agreement "recognizes the sovereignty
and territorial integrity" of the Kingdom of Denmark. That means
the agreement falls short of "total control".

I wonder if it is any more than a restatement of the long established
arrangement where the US had pretty much a free hand to build bases
in Greenland?

It's interesting to see Trump's stated motivation for having an
increased military presence in Greenland. With the melting of sea ice,
new passages will open up for sea navigation in the Arctic. Apparently
that will change the security situation.

So far, he's managed to get that across without ever mentioning global warming.

Don't you know that this melting is just happening
without any human-related cause for it?

Trump does,

Jan
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Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:

On 21/09/26 04:28, Sam Plusnet wrote:

On 20/09/2026 15:41, Steve Hayes wrote:

On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 15:19:46 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen described it a bit
differently saying that the agreement "recognizes the sovereignty
and territorial integrity" of the Kingdom of Denmark. That means
the agreement falls short of "total control".

But does Trump know that?

He's notorious for adding new conditions between when a deal isd
agreed and when it's signed. That the art of the deal. it's all in
his eponymous book.

But has he read it?

He never will. His assistants have known for a long time that written material for his eyes must be less than a page long, because he refuses
to read beyond that point. His brain cell freezes up, or something like
that.

I don't want to hurt any true Briton's feelings,
but just the same was said of Churchill
when he was conducting WWII, (with his assistants)

Jan
(by some American observers)


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On 23/09/2026 16:03, J. J. Lodder wrote:

Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:

On 20/09/26 10:26, Sam Plusnet wrote:

On 19/09/2026 20:19, Tony Cooper wrote:

The linked article, from the New York Times, quotes Trump saying
that an agreement between the US, Denmark, and Greenland has
"secured permanent control over security, and all other needs" in
Greenland.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/18/us/politics/trump-greenland.html?unlocke

d_article_code=1.CVE.uB_V.zIN-gRwDRT2-&smid=url-share

Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen described it a bit
differently saying that the agreement "recognizes the sovereignty
and territorial integrity" of the Kingdom of Denmark. That means
the agreement falls short of "total control".

I wonder if it is any more than a restatement of the long established
arrangement where the US had pretty much a free hand to build bases
in Greenland?

It's interesting to see Trump's stated motivation for having an
increased military presence in Greenland. With the melting of sea ice,
new passages will open up for sea navigation in the Arctic. Apparently
that will change the security situation.

So far, he's managed to get that across without ever mentioning global
warming.

Don't you know that this melting is just happening
without any human-related cause for it?

Trump does,

As the ice melts, he thinks land values will soar and he can build lots
of gold-plated hotels there (a hedge in case his Gaza investments don't
work out).
--
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Le 23/09/2026 |a 16:03, J. J. Lodder a |-crit :

I don't want to hurt any true Briton's feelings,

Thanks. In exchange, I'll forget what I read about William of Orange the
other day.

but just the same was said of Churchill
when he was conducting WWII, (with his assistants)

Jan
(by some American observers)

I've heard that Churchill worked very long hours, while conserving his
energy (working in bed etc.). He had a lot to deal with, and I suppose
could not delve into the nitty-gritty of everything. The trick in such circumstances must be to have reliable officials, who can boil it all
down to essentials, and then take decisions based on those.

Donald Trump is really quite different. He seems to want to have a
finger in every pie, even those in other people's larders, and even when
those pies have teeth to bite him with. If he's overloaded, he's only
himself to blame. Perhaps he's like a water boatman - not very bright,
and just skating about on the surface.

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* Steve Hayes <j0svaltrmr1ov9rsplhb6aninfe3pf068u@4ax.com> :
Wrote on Sun, 20 Sep 2026 16:41:08 +0200:

He's notorious for adding new conditions between when a deal isd
agreed and when it's signed. That the art of the deal. it's all in his eponymous book.

oy. wouldn't an eponymous book by Trump be called "Trump"

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