On 18/09/2026 07:52, occam wrote:
On 17/09/2026 23:28, Snidely wrote:
Snidely explained on 9/17/2026 :
On Thursday or thereabouts, occam declared ...
On 17/09/2026 12:56, Hibou wrote:
Le 17/09/2026 |a 10:17, occam a |-crit :
On 17/09/2026 10:02, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
occam <occam@nowhere.nix> posted:
[...] How does one measure "wind gust", given that the number must >>>>>>>>> be averaged
over a time period (10 seconds, 1 minute, 1/2 hour)? And what >>>>>>>>> is the
point at which wind is deemed to have become a 'wind gust'?
Puzzled of Luxembourg
The weather site that I use (https://www.lachainemeteo.com/meteo- >>>>>>>> france/) has
done that for as long as I can remember, except that it says
Rafales
rather
than Gust. Where I live it's perfectly obvious whether one is
experiencing
an average wind or if it's a gust. Maybe in Luxemburg the wind >>>>>>>> doesn't change
as abruptly as it does here.
Not very puzzled of Marseilles
Yes, but but... If it's not stop-start, its not a gust. Its wind. >>>>>>> What's
the criterion for you deciding this wind is not a wind, it's gust. >>>>>>> [...]
Hmm. Let me Google that for yourCa
"Wind varies rapidly over short periods, so itrCOs sampled frequently, >>>>>> every 0.25 seconds, to capture gusts. Gust speed is defined as the >>>>>> maximum three-second average wind speed within a given period" -
<https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/blog/2025/what-is-wind-and-how-do-we- >>>>>> measure-it>
Hmm... much as I appreciate your free googling services (monsieur le >>>>> serviteur) I can't help think that /that/ definition of 'gust' is
rather
recent, not to say arbitrary. Some of the parameters e.g. sampling
every
0.25 seconds are metoffice.gov.uk specific (?) and may be different >>>>> for
different organisations.
A more historic database of English usage suggests that the word
'gust'
goes as far back as the 18th century. (see ngram.)
<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?
content=gust%2Cwind&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en-
GB&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=false>
So, when a farmer, say in 1789, decided to use the word 'gust'
(instead
of 'wind') I have a feeling it was an either/or decision. And it had >>>>> nothing to do with sampling periods. It was a sudden gust, which
did not
last that long?
In my experience, wind gusts are usually accompanied by a longer term
a wind speed.-a "Winds from the south averaging 10 muff with gusts up
to 25" does not seem an unusual description.-a In fact, the NWS has
this for Titusville FL for Wednestay the 16th (as of Sep 10th): "East
northeast wind 5 to 10 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph."
Also, gusts can be a shift in direction as well as speed.-a This can
matter to sailors and to aircraft pilots.
Note that I am used to feeling wind gusts as distinct from the base
wind, just as I hear a sudden loud noise over the background sounds.
So, wind is the carrier wave, and gusts are the modulation.
-a The statement of wind speeds with the addition of "with gusts of up to
<x> mph" sounds very familiar.
Maybe not accurate, but it does bring up that missing aspect of gusting winds.
Gust will be counterbalanced by lulls, but lulls don't get the headlines.
Lulls, not to be confused with LOLs.
On 18/09/2026 07:52, occam wrote:
On 17/09/2026 23:28, Snidely wrote:
Snidely explained on 9/17/2026 :
On Thursday or thereabouts, occam declared ...
On 17/09/2026 12:56, Hibou wrote:
Le 17/09/2026 |a 10:17, occam a |-crit :
On 17/09/2026 10:02, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
occam <occam@nowhere.nix> posted:
[...] How does one measure "wind gust", given that the number must >>>>>>>> be averaged
over a time period (10 seconds, 1 minute, 1/2 hour)? And what is the >>>>>>>> point at which wind is deemed to have become a 'wind gust'?
Puzzled of Luxembourg
The weather site that I use (https://www.lachainemeteo.com/meteo- >>>>>>> france/) has
done that for as long as I can remember, except that it says Rafales >>>>>>> rather
than Gust. Where I live it's perfectly obvious whether one is
experiencing
an average wind or if it's a gust. Maybe in Luxemburg the wind >>>>>>> doesn't change
as abruptly as it does here.
Not very puzzled of Marseilles
Yes, but but... If it's not stop-start, its not a gust. Its wind. >>>>>> What's
the criterion for you deciding this wind is not a wind, it's gust. >>>>>> [...]
Hmm. Let me Google that for yourCa
"Wind varies rapidly over short periods, so it's sampled frequently, >>>>> every 0.25 seconds, to capture gusts. Gust speed is defined as the >>>>> maximum three-second average wind speed within a given period" -
<https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/blog/2025/what-is-wind-and-how-do-we- >>>>> measure-it>
Hmm... much as I appreciate your free googling services (monsieur le >>>> serviteur) I can't help think that /that/ definition of 'gust' is rather >>>> recent, not to say arbitrary. Some of the parameters e.g. sampling every >>>> 0.25 seconds are metoffice.gov.uk specific (?) and may be different for >>>> different organisations.
A more historic database of English usage suggests that the word 'gust' >>>> goes as far back as the 18th century. (see ngram.)
<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?
content=gust%2Cwind&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en-
GB&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=false>
So, when a farmer, say in 1789, decided to use the word 'gust' (instead >>>> of 'wind') I have a feeling it was an either/or decision. And it had >>>> nothing to do with sampling periods. It was a sudden gust, which did not >>>> last that long?
In my experience, wind gusts are usually accompanied by a longer term
a wind speed. "Winds from the south averaging 10 muff with gusts up
to 25" does not seem an unusual description. In fact, the NWS has
this for Titusville FL for Wednestay the 16th (as of Sep 10th): "East
northeast wind 5 to 10 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph."
Also, gusts can be a shift in direction as well as speed. This can
matter to sailors and to aircraft pilots.
Note that I am used to feeling wind gusts as distinct from the base
wind, just as I hear a sudden loud noise over the background sounds.
So, wind is the carrier wave, and gusts are the modulation.
The statement of wind speeds with the addition of "with gusts of up to
<x> mph" sounds very familiar.
Maybe not accurate, but it does bring up that missing aspect of gusting winds.
Gust will be counterbalanced by lulls, but lulls don't get the headlines.
Den 18.09.2026 kl. 11.38 skrev Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson:
What do you mean by "exploded trailer"?
I can read you're unfamiliar with /wind explosion/.
Yes, but your explanation is clear. Thanks.
"Wind varies rapidly over short periods, so itrCOs sampled frequently,
every 0.25 seconds, to capture gusts. Gust speed is defined as the
maximum three-second average wind speed within a given period" - <https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/blog/2025/what-is-wind-and-how-do-we- measure-it> [...]
On 19/09/2026 15:08, Hibou wrote:
... and the wind seems stable save for occasional boisterous
moments lasting a few seconds, when it plays with the trees in a
fingers-through-women's-hair way (M.O.: 41 mph).
Wow, your fingers seem fast, going through women's hair.
The gusts are quite
distinct. (Somehow I feel 'rafale' is a better word
Wrong language, but the idea is OK. I'll repost it to <fr.lettres.langue.anglaise> and say Hibou sent me.
Le 19/09/2026 |a 15:58, occam a |-crit :
On 19/09/2026 15:08, Hibou wrote:
... and the wind seems stable save for occasional boisterous
moments lasting a few seconds, when it plays with the trees in a
fingers-through-women's-hair way (M.O.: 41 mph).
Wow, your fingers seem fast, going through women's hair.
I've had no complaints.
The gusts are quite
distinct. (Somehow I feel 'rafale' is a better word
Wrong language, but the idea is OK. I'll repost it to <fr.lettres.langue.anglaise> and say Hibou sent me.
I've a pet theory that most French words, apart from the most basic and commonest (le, la, en, yrCa), also feature in English, though they may be distorted - so your comment led me to check.
It turns out that 'rafale'
has been adopted into English, with the meaning "A series of bursts of gunfire; (also) a drum roll" - OED. It has this meaning in French (from
1874 - TLF), as well as meaning a gust of wind (from 1640 (or the precipitation that goes with it - une rafale de gr|-le etc.)).
Wikip|-dia says the name of the Dassault Rafale refers to an earlier fastjet, the Ouragan (Hurricane). So is the idea wind or burp gun? Hard
to tell.
<https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Rafale#D%C3%A9veloppement>
Bien. 'Rafale' has led to quite an interesting riffle through the dictionaries.
... and the wind seems stable save for occasional boisterous
moments lasting a few seconds, when it plays with the trees in a fingers-through-women's-hair way (M.O.: 41 mph).
The gusts are quite
distinct. (Somehow I feel 'rafale' is a better word
Le 17/09/2026 |a 11:56, Hibou a |-crit :
"Wind varies rapidly over short periods, so itrCOs sampled frequently,
every 0.25 seconds, to capture gusts. Gust speed is defined as the
maximum three-second average wind speed within a given period" -
<https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/blog/2025/what-is-wind-and-how-do-we-
measure-it> [...]
I've just been sitting in a garden. It's quite a windy day (Met Office:
21 mph), and the wind seems stable save for occasional boisterous
moments lasting a few seconds, when it plays with the trees in a fingers-through-women's-hair way (M.O.: 41 mph). The gusts are quite distinct. (Somehow I feel 'rafale' is a better word - and it's certainly
a better name than 'gust' for a fastjet. The BAe Gust? I think not.)
On 19/09/2026 14:08, Hibou wrote:
[...] (Somehow I feel 'rafale' is a better word - and it's
certainly a better name than 'gust' for a fastjet. The BAe Gust? I
think not.)
What about the Airbus De Gustibus?-a It seems inevitable somehow.
Le 19/09/2026 |a 21:19, Sam Plusnet a |-crit :
On 19/09/2026 14:08, Hibou wrote:
[...] (Somehow I feel 'rafale' is a better word - and it's
certainly a better name than 'gust' for a fastjet. The BAe Gust? I
think not.)
What about the Airbus De Gustibus?-a It seems inevitable somehow.
I suppose it's a matter of taste.
Hibou posted:
I've a pet theory that most French words, apart from the most basic and
commonest (le, la, en, yrCa), also feature in English, though they may be
distorted - so your comment led me to check.
Yes. Consider my employer until I retired: Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique. Centre, National and Scientifique work just fine in English and Recherche can easily be recognized in the English word. Only de and la are not English.
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> posted:
Le 19/09/2026 |a 15:58, occam a |-crit :
On 19/09/2026 15:08, Hibou wrote:
... and the wind seems stable save for occasional boisterous
moments lasting a few seconds, when it plays with the trees in a
fingers-through-women's-hair way (M.O.: 41 mph).
Wow, your fingers seem fast, going through women's hair.
I've had no complaints.
The gusts are quite
distinct. (Somehow I feel 'rafale' is a better word
Wrong language, but the idea is OK. I'll repost it to
<fr.lettres.langue.anglaise> and say Hibou sent me.
I've a pet theory that most French words, apart from the most basic and
commonest (le, la, en, yrCa), also feature in English, though they may be >> distorted - so your comment led me to check.
Yes. Consider my employer until I retired: Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique. Centre, National and Scientifique work just fine in English and
Recherche can easily be recognized in the English word. Only de and la are not English.
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