• Re: A simple mnemonic to use /whom/ correctly

    From Bertel Lund Hansen@rundtosset@lundhansen.dk to alt.usage.english on Sat Sep 19 10:08:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    Den 19.09.2026 kl. 09.56 skrev Aidan Kehoe:

    It surprises me a little that of the ersatz (we borrowed the German word) coffees of the Second World War, none, to my knowledge, intentionally included
    a stimulant.

    I just had a thought: Was tea readily available? Or weren't that many
    people concerned with that stimulant?

    Tea can easily contain more caffein/thein than coffee (per cup).
    --
    Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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  • From Anders D. Nygaard@news2012adn@google.com to alt.usage.english on Sat Sep 19 10:18:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 9/19/2026 2:00 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 01:05:54 +0200, "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> wrote:

    On 9/17/2026 2:18 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 23:19:25 +0200, "Anders D. Nygaard"
    <news2012adn@google.com> wrote:

    On 9/15/2026 3:02 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:

    Australia timberyards seem to prefer selling 90x45 as one of their major >>>>> stock sizes. (Of course they'll do custom sizes if you're prepared to >>>>> pay more.)

    I once needed a bit of panel to fill a hole where a door once had been >>>> and went to one our major suppliers. They didn't have the profile I
    wanted in stock, but were quite prepared to make it for me.
    At a price of 1200,- DKK for the first meter and (I think) 5,- for
    subsequent meters.
    I needed about a meter in total, and chose to decline the offer.

    That would have been a rip-off! It's about US$185.

    I haven't needed the service for some time, but Home Depot and Lowe's
    (DYI stores) would rip a panel of plywood to a specific size at no
    charge the last time I needed that done. You pay for the full panel,
    but the cut(s) are free.

    A 4 x 8 plywood panel is about $50 at Home Depot.

    It would seem that I have hit on a false friend - my dictionary
    suggests I could have written "skirting board" (or "list" or "moulding)
    rather than "panel".

    Is "panel" incorrect English? Or merely imprecise?


    "Panel" is not a term associated with a particular type of product in
    the US. It would be understood to be a flat piece of wood used to
    cover an opening. Hence, I guessed you purchased a sheet of plywood.

    "One meter" of plywood seems incongruous to me - I specified a linear
    measure, and your guess is basically two-dimensional.

    I see now that I invited that interpretation by talking about a hole
    "where a door once had been": The area of the door hole had already
    been filled in, but the previous owners had left the join between
    floor and what was now effectively wall bare, unlike the adjoining
    pieces of wall, leaving a gap ("hole") in the skirting board.
    They had presumably had some piece of furniture against the wall,
    but we didn't want that.

    "Skirting board" is not unknown in the US, but the common term is "baseboard". If I Google "skirting board", I get images like

    https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fplanetpropertyblog.co.uk%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2023%2F05%2F10-Contemporary-Modern-Skirting-Board-Ideas-For-Your-Home.png&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=9ab3d7eba151f598fc766f313df01c2eddf09f9667bba1f50e0767ecd1e1282e


    If I Google "baseboard", I get the same images.

    "Moulding" is a term for a decoratively milled strip of wood. Here,
    one might purchase a plain baseboard and attach a strip of moulding
    above it to achieve a particular look.

    Home decoration vary widely between countries - here, the norm
    (at least in older homes) is to have moulded baseboards (if I understand
    the terminology correctly)

    However, we also use "Crown Molding" to complement a room with a
    baseboard. Crown molding is fitted where the wall meets the ceiling.

    Confusingly, both "moulding" and "molding" are the spellings used.

    If you purchased a piece of baseboard 5" high and 96" long for about
    $20 at Home Depot, many stores would rip it to 4" high at no charge.
    However, the store may offer only 2 free cuts, and usually people
    order enough pieces to go around the room. There may be a charge if
    several pieces must be ripped. Or, you can just slip the employee a
    $5.00 or $10 bill for his effort and not be charged.

    If just replacing a damaged baseboard, and need one ripped to a
    particular height and cut to a particular length, there would not be a cutting charge.

    The shop carried a wide variety of moulded baseboards (somewhat like https://www.consumerscarpet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Crown-Moulding.jpg, but far larger), and the price was for setting up their
    tools to cut a different profile of the moulding.

    BTW...I can only speak for the Home Depots I've been a customer of.
    Some might have different rules or not offer cutting-to-order at all.

    /Anders, Denmark
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  • From Snidely@snidely.too@gmail.com to alt.usage.english on Sat Sep 19 01:56:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    Anders D. Nygaard explained :
    On 9/19/2026 2:00 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 01:05:54 +0200, "Anders D. Nygaard"
    <news2012adn@google.com> wrote:

    On 9/17/2026 2:18 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 23:19:25 +0200, "Anders D. Nygaard"
    <news2012adn@google.com> wrote:

    On 9/15/2026 3:02 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:

    Australia timberyards seem to prefer selling 90x45 as one of their >>>>>> major
    stock sizes. (Of course they'll do custom sizes if you're prepared to >>>>>> pay more.)

    I once needed a bit of panel to fill a hole where a door once had been >>>>> and went to one our major suppliers. They didn't have the profile I
    wanted in stock, but were quite prepared to make it for me.
    At a price of 1200,- DKK for the first meter and (I think) 5,- for
    subsequent meters.
    I needed about a meter in total, and chose to decline the offer.

    That would have been a rip-off! It's about US$185.

    I haven't needed the service for some time, but Home Depot and Lowe's
    (DYI stores) would rip a panel of plywood to a specific size at no
    charge the last time I needed that done. You pay for the full panel,
    but the cut(s) are free.

    A 4 x 8 plywood panel is about $50 at Home Depot.

    It would seem that I have hit on a false friend - my dictionary
    suggests I could have written "skirting board" (or "list" or "moulding)
    rather than "panel".

    Is "panel" incorrect English? Or merely imprecise?


    "Panel" is not a term associated with a particular type of product in
    the US. It would be understood to be a flat piece of wood used to
    cover an opening. Hence, I guessed you purchased a sheet of plywood.

    "One meter" of plywood seems incongruous to me - I specified a linear measure, and your guess is basically two-dimensional.

    Well, he was talking about a two-dimensional object but perhaps
    thinking that you only need one measurement changed (1 saw cut). [As
    an aside, the cutting set up I've seen in Home Depot and in Lowes is a
    big fram, and a circular saw mounted on a carrier that rides on rails
    at the top and bottom of the frame. The carrier may or may not have a
    scale, but the employees will use a tape measure to line up the cut.]


    I see now that I invited that interpretation by talking about a hole
    "where a door once had been": The area of the door hole had already
    been filled in, but the previous owners had left the join between
    floor and what was now effectively wall bare, unlike the adjoining
    pieces of wall, leaving a gap ("hole")

    gap seems entirely appropriate here, and hole does not.

    in the skirting board.
    They had presumably had some piece of furniture against the wall,
    but we didn't want that.

    [...]
    "Moulding" is a term for a decoratively milled strip of wood. Here,
    one might purchase a plain baseboard and attach a strip of moulding
    above it to achieve a particular look.

    Home decoration vary widely between countries - here, the norm
    (at least in older homes) is to have moulded baseboards (if I understand
    the terminology correctly)


    I won't address that. It's all trim and proper when I read the labels
    at the store, but then it gets trimmed from memory.

    [further details of the anectdote elided but sympathetically]

    /dps
    --
    "I'm glad unicorns don't ever need upgrades."
    "We are as up as it is possible to get graded!"
    _Phoebe and Her Unicorn_, 2016.05.15
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  • From Snidely@snidely.too@gmail.com to alt.usage.english on Sat Sep 19 02:01:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    Bertel Lund Hansen was thinking very hard :
    Den 19.09.2026 kl. 09.56 skrev Aidan Kehoe:

    It surprises me a little that of the ersatz (we borrowed the German word)
    coffees of the Second World War, none, to my knowledge, intentionally
    included
    a stimulant.

    I just had a thought: Was tea readily available? Or weren't that many people concerned with that stimulant?

    Tea can easily contain more caffein/thein than coffee (per cup).

    Not typical of tea to be heavy in caffeine compared to coffee. I've
    generally seen figures of about 1/2 that typical of coffee.
    Significantly more tannin, though.

    I will admit that brewing methods affect both beverages, and some
    blends are more ampped up than others.

    /dps
    --
    There's nothing inherently wrong with Big Data. What matters, as it
    does for Arnold Lund in California or Richard Rothman in Baltimore, are
    the questions -- old and new, good and bad -- this newest tool lets us
    ask. (R. Lerhman, CSMonitor.com)
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  • From Bertel Lund Hansen@rundtosset@lundhansen.dk to alt.usage.english on Sat Sep 19 12:04:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    Den 19.09.2026 kl. 10.18 skrev Anders D. Nygaard:

    Home decoration vary widely between countries - here, the norm
    (at least in older homes) is to have moulded baseboards (if I understand
    the terminology correctly)

    My house from 1979 has plain baseboards. It's part of an area where the
    same builder made all the houses.
    --
    Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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  • From Bertel Lund Hansen@rundtosset@lundhansen.dk to alt.usage.english on Sat Sep 19 12:07:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    Den 19.09.2026 kl. 10.56 skrev Snidely:

    Well, he was talking about a two-dimensional object but perhaps thinking that you only need one measurement changed (1 saw cut).-a [As an aside,
    the cutting set up I've seen in Home Depot and in Lowes is a big fram,
    and a circular saw mounted on a carrier that rides on rails at the top
    and bottom of the frame.-a The carrier may or may not have a scale, but
    the employees will use a tape measure to line up the cut.]

    That descriptions fits what I have seen in my local "building market".
    The employees use the scale on the gadget.
    --
    Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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  • From nospam@nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) to alt.usage.english on Sat Sep 19 14:03:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

    On 18/09/2026 09:06, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:

    Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> writes:

    On 16/09/26 07:28, Radey Shouman wrote:

    As I said, I like the mile-marker system. Perhaps you are not
    familiar with New England, which is a region where street signs
    indicate only minor roads, and not major ones. It's a a bit of
    Yankee frugality. If you don't recognize a major road you're
    probably not from around here, and are therefore better off being
    lost.

    Some Australia cities also have that problem. Back in the days of street >>> directories, the navigator had to look up minor streets that they
    passed, and from that deduce what road the car was travelling on. Often >>> you had to drive for quite a distance before resolving an ambiguity.

    It's better now in the days of GPS maps, which compensate for the lack >>> of street signs. It's still not easy, though, to work out when to get >>> off a bus or a tram.

    I have a poor sense of direction, and like to ride a bicycle. Naturally >> I try to choose the less-travelled roads. Before GPS, when I tried a
    new route and inevitably became lost, I would frequently come across
    what looked like a fairly important road, such as one could find on a
    map.

    But which one was it? No way to tell. Sometimes I would follow it for
    a bit, looking for a state highway number. Or look for an overpass
    above a limited access highway, where I might see some of the helpful
    exit signs.

    Nowadays I look up my position on a phone, and can figure out where I
    am, which is an improvement.

    Hey Siri, where am I?

    "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike."

    Hey Siri, can you emulate a VT100 for me?

    Jan
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  • From Tony Cooper@tonycooper214@gmail.com to alt.usage.english on Sat Sep 19 09:58:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 10:18:12 +0200, "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> wrote:

    On 9/19/2026 2:00 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 01:05:54 +0200, "Anders D. Nygaard"
    <news2012adn@google.com> wrote:

    On 9/17/2026 2:18 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 23:19:25 +0200, "Anders D. Nygaard"
    <news2012adn@google.com> wrote:

    On 9/15/2026 3:02 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:

    Australia timberyards seem to prefer selling 90x45 as one of their major >>>>>> stock sizes. (Of course they'll do custom sizes if you're prepared to >>>>>> pay more.)

    I once needed a bit of panel to fill a hole where a door once had been >>>>> and went to one our major suppliers. They didn't have the profile I
    wanted in stock, but were quite prepared to make it for me.
    At a price of 1200,- DKK for the first meter and (I think) 5,- for
    subsequent meters.
    I needed about a meter in total, and chose to decline the offer.

    That would have been a rip-off! It's about US$185.

    I haven't needed the service for some time, but Home Depot and Lowe's
    (DYI stores) would rip a panel of plywood to a specific size at no
    charge the last time I needed that done. You pay for the full panel,
    but the cut(s) are free.

    A 4 x 8 plywood panel is about $50 at Home Depot.

    It would seem that I have hit on a false friend - my dictionary
    suggests I could have written "skirting board" (or "list" or "moulding)
    rather than "panel".

    Is "panel" incorrect English? Or merely imprecise?


    "Panel" is not a term associated with a particular type of product in
    the US. It would be understood to be a flat piece of wood used to
    cover an opening. Hence, I guessed you purchased a sheet of plywood.

    "One meter" of plywood seems incongruous to me - I specified a linear >measure, and your guess is basically two-dimensional.

    I thought you meant the cost of the cutting the panel would be 1200
    kroner for the first meter. In essence, a minimum charge for the
    service. I took it to mean if you purchased a 4' x 8' panel of
    plywood, and wanted to have it trimmed to 4' x 7', the cost would be
    1200 kroner plus 5 meters.





    I see now that I invited that interpretation by talking about a hole
    "where a door once had been": The area of the door hole had already
    been filled in, but the previous owners had left the join between
    floor and what was now effectively wall bare, unlike the adjoining
    pieces of wall, leaving a gap ("hole") in the skirting board.
    They had presumably had some piece of furniture against the wall,
    but we didn't want that.

    "Skirting board" is not unknown in the US, but the common term is
    "baseboard". If I Google "skirting board", I get images like

    https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fplanetpropertyblog.co.uk%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2023%2F05%2F10-Contemporary-Modern-Skirting-Board-Ideas-For-Your-Home.png&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=9ab3d7eba151f598fc766f313df01c2eddf09f9667bba1f50e0767ecd1e1282e


    If I Google "baseboard", I get the same images.

    "Moulding" is a term for a decoratively milled strip of wood. Here,
    one might purchase a plain baseboard and attach a strip of moulding
    above it to achieve a particular look.

    Home decoration vary widely between countries - here, the norm
    (at least in older homes) is to have moulded baseboards (if I understand
    the terminology correctly)

    However, we also use "Crown Molding" to complement a room with a
    baseboard. Crown molding is fitted where the wall meets the ceiling.

    Confusingly, both "moulding" and "molding" are the spellings used.

    If you purchased a piece of baseboard 5" high and 96" long for about
    $20 at Home Depot, many stores would rip it to 4" high at no charge.
    However, the store may offer only 2 free cuts, and usually people
    order enough pieces to go around the room. There may be a charge if
    several pieces must be ripped. Or, you can just slip the employee a
    $5.00 or $10 bill for his effort and not be charged.

    If just replacing a damaged baseboard, and need one ripped to a
    particular height and cut to a particular length, there would not be a
    cutting charge.

    The shop carried a wide variety of moulded baseboards (somewhat like >https://www.consumerscarpet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Crown-Moulding.jpg,
    but far larger), and the price was for setting up their
    tools to cut a different profile of the moulding.

    Now I understand that the shop's charge was for setting up a tool to
    replicate a particular moulding's design. The figure they quoted now
    sounds reasonable.

    BTW...I can only speak for the Home Depots I've been a customer of.
    Some might have different rules or not offer cutting-to-order at all.

    /Anders, Denmark
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  • From richard@richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) to alt.usage.english on Sat Sep 19 14:23:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    In article <1s1ohk0.fvm8qo4ci8ovN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,
    J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:

    "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike."

    Hey Siri, can you emulate a VT100 for me?

    In my case it was a DECwriter. It used quite a lot of paper, but
    was handy to refer to when drawing a map.

    -- Richard
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  • From Bertel Lund Hansen@rundtosset@lundhansen.dk to alt.usage.english on Sat Sep 19 17:53:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    Den 19.09.2026 kl. 16.15 skrev Tony Cooper:

    You have placed me in Miami, Florida. I live in the Orlando, Florida
    area.

    Fixed.
    --
    Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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  • From Johann \@johann@myrkraverk.invalid to alt.usage.english on Sun Sep 20 00:11:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 9/19/2026 8:03 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

    On 18/09/2026 09:06, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:

    Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> writes:

    On 16/09/26 07:28, Radey Shouman wrote:

    As I said, I like the mile-marker system. Perhaps you are not
    familiar with New England, which is a region where street signs
    indicate only minor roads, and not major ones. It's a a bit of
    Yankee frugality. If you don't recognize a major road you're
    probably not from around here, and are therefore better off being
    lost.

    Some Australia cities also have that problem. Back in the days of street >>>>> directories, the navigator had to look up minor streets that they
    passed, and from that deduce what road the car was travelling on. Often >>>>> you had to drive for quite a distance before resolving an ambiguity. >>>>>
    It's better now in the days of GPS maps, which compensate for the lack >>>>> of street signs. It's still not easy, though, to work out when to get >>>>> off a bus or a tram.

    I have a poor sense of direction, and like to ride a bicycle. Naturally >>>> I try to choose the less-travelled roads. Before GPS, when I tried a
    new route and inevitably became lost, I would frequently come across
    what looked like a fairly important road, such as one could find on a >>>> map.

    But which one was it? No way to tell. Sometimes I would follow it for >>>> a bit, looking for a state highway number. Or look for an overpass
    above a limited access highway, where I might see some of the helpful
    exit signs.

    Nowadays I look up my position on a phone, and can figure out where I
    am, which is an improvement.

    Hey Siri, where am I?

    "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike."

    Hey Siri, can you emulate a VT100 for me?

    Jan

    I happen to have a VT520 in my library. It's been several years since I
    last turned it on, and I don't know if it still works. I'm fairly cer-
    tain it's a better "VT100 emulator" than whatever Siri can come up with.


    What do you think?
    --
    Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/
    I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:;
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  • From Bertel Lund Hansen@rundtosset@lundhansen.dk to alt.usage.english on Sat Sep 19 19:07:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    Den 19.09.2026 kl. 18.31 skrev athel.cb@gmail.com:

    I have made this page for myself, but maybe others might use it, so I
    just placed it on the net here:

    http://aue.lundhansen.dk/

    For me, I'd prefer "English" rather than "Brit" (an American term that British people never use?) My city is Marseilles (or Marseille if you insist).

    Thanks. All fixed.
    --
    Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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  • From athel.cb@gmail.com@user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.usage.english on Sat Sep 19 17:50:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english


    Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> posted:

    Den 19.09.2026 kl. 18.31 skrev athel.cb@gmail.com:

    I have made this page for myself, but maybe others might use it, so I
    just placed it on the net here:

    http://aue.lundhansen.dk/

    For me, I'd prefer "English" rather than "Brit" (an American term that British people never use?) My city is Marseilles (or Marseille if you insist).

    Thanks. All fixed.

    You have quite a few names I don't recognize, even vaguely: Cujo Desockpuppet Daniel70, rhino ...

    You also have some I wouldn't bother with: does anyone care where Henhanna lives, for example? or Mr. Man-Wai Chang?

    I suspect Melissa and The True Melissa are the same person. I don't have the impression that she's British.

    Why are some names in italics?

    You have put us in alphabetical order of given names. Is that ordering
    ever used in Denmark? I've only encountered it in Brazil and (once only, I think) in Portugal.
    --
    athel

    Living in Marseilles for 39 years; mainly in England before that,
    with long periods in Singapore, California, Chile and Canada
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  • From Tony Cooper@tonycooper214@gmail.com to alt.usage.english on Sat Sep 19 10:15:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 09:42:40 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> wrote:

    Den 18.09.2026 kl. 23.33 skrev Silvano:

    caused the improvement? Also, silly me, I keep forgetting, where's your
    country?

    I have made this page for myself, but maybe others might use it, so I
    just placed it on the net here:

    http://aue.lundhansen.dk/

    It shows the info I have been able to collect from the messages in AUE.

    You have placed me in Miami, Florida. I live in the Orlando, Florida
    area. The two are about 240 miles/386 kilometers apart. Still
    Florida, but cities with two different cultures in many ways.





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  • From Rich Ulrich@rich.ulrich@comcast.net to alt.usage.english on Sat Sep 19 15:02:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 09:42:40 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> wrote:

    Den 18.09.2026 kl. 23.33 skrev Silvano:

    caused the improvement? Also, silly me, I keep forgetting, where's your
    country?

    I have made this page for myself, but maybe others might use it, so I
    just placed it on the net here:

    http://aue.lundhansen.dk/

    It shows the info I have been able to collect from the messages in AUE.

    Google AI tells me,
    The United States Board on Geographic Names created rules in 1891
    to standardize American place names.

    That included: all the - -burgh- endings of cities should be 'burg'.
    changes were official, including in Pittsburgh, Pa. (where I live).

    Google AI also reports,
    Pittsburgh reverted to the "-burgh" spelling in 1911 because local
    residents, businesses, and institutions fiercely and continuously
    refused to accept a federal mandate that dropped the letter "h"

    Public Defiance: Local newspapers (like the Pittsburgh Gazette),
    the University of Pittsburgh, the stock exchange, and everyday
    citizens ignored the federal ruling and kept the "h"

    The Stand: For 20 years, the city operated with two
    spellingsrCo"Pittsburg" on federal mail and maps, and "Pittsburgh"
    everywhere locally.

    The Return: Following relentless public pressure and historical
    corrections presented to Washington, the Board on Geographic Names
    reversed its decision on July 19, 1911, officially restoring the
    "h" to Pittsburgh. July 19 is now celebrated locally as "H Day".


    I have lived here for over 50 years, and I always read both daily
    newspapers, back when there were newspapers on sale. It may
    be something that slipped my attention, but I do not recall any
    celebration (or mention) or "H Day."
    --
    Rich Ulrich
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  • From athel.cb@gmail.com@user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.usage.english on Sat Sep 19 16:31:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english


    Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> posted:

    On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 09:42:40 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> wrote:

    Den 18.09.2026 kl. 23.33 skrev Silvano:

    caused the improvement? Also, silly me, I keep forgetting, where's your
    country?

    I have made this page for myself, but maybe others might use it, so I
    just placed it on the net here:

    http://aue.lundhansen.dk/

    It shows the info I have been able to collect from the messages in AUE.

    You have placed me in Miami, Florida. I live in the Orlando, Florida
    area. The two are about 240 miles/386 kilometers apart. Still
    Florida, but cities with two different cultures in many ways.

    For me, I'd prefer "English" rather than "Brit" (an American term that
    British people never use?) My city is Marseilles (or Marseille if you insist).

    I think Jan might prefer "The Netherlands" over "Holland" as his country, though "Holland" might be OK for the region (if it's correct -- I don't know). The same may apply to Ruud Harmsen.

    Lar3Ryca's city is, I think, Regina. He's certainly in Saskatchewan.

    Liz Tuddenham's city is, I think, Bath.

    Paul Carmichael's nearest city is indeed M|ilaga, but I think he lives somewhere
    out in the sticks.

    Peter Moylan's city is Newcastle, where one of my nephews was born (his two brothers were born in Scone, almost next door for Australian ideas of distances).

    Sam Plusnet is English.
    --
    athel

    Living in Marseilles for 39 years; mainly in England before that,
    with long periods in Singapore, California, Chile and Canada
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  • From Sam Plusnet@not@home.com to alt.usage.english on Sat Sep 19 21:02:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 19/09/2026 09:08, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
    Den 19.09.2026 kl. 09.56 skrev Aidan Kehoe:

    It surprises me a little that of the ersatz (we borrowed the German word)
    coffees of the Second World War, none, to my knowledge, intentionally
    included
    a stimulant.

    I just had a thought: Was tea readily available? Or weren't that many
    people concerned with that stimulant?

    Tea can easily contain more caffein/thein than coffee (per cup).

    In the UK tea was certainly rationed, but it was judged to be vital to
    the nation's morale and was thus given priority.

    Strange but true: In 1942 the UK government bought up every available
    pound of tea from every country in the world except Japan.
    --
    Sam Plusnet
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  • From Anders D. Nygaard@news2012adn@google.com to alt.usage.english on Sat Sep 19 23:18:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 9/19/2026 10:56 AM, Snidely wrote:
    Anders D. Nygaard explained :
    On 9/19/2026 2:00 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 01:05:54 +0200, "Anders D. Nygaard"
    <news2012adn@google.com> wrote:

    On 9/17/2026 2:18 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 23:19:25 +0200, "Anders D. Nygaard"
    <news2012adn@google.com> wrote:

    On 9/15/2026 3:02 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:

    Australia timberyards seem to prefer selling 90x45 as one of
    their major
    stock sizes. (Of course they'll do custom sizes if you're
    prepared to
    pay more.)

    I once needed a bit of panel to fill a hole where a door once had >>>>>> been
    and went to one our major suppliers. They didn't have the profile I >>>>>> wanted in stock, but were quite prepared to make it for me.
    At a price of 1200,- DKK for the first meter and (I think) 5,- for >>>>>> subsequent meters.
    I needed about a meter in total, and chose to decline the offer.

    That would have been a rip-off!-a It's about US$185.

    I haven't needed the service for some time, but Home Depot and Lowe's >>>>> (DYI stores) would rip a panel of plywood to a specific size at no
    charge the last time I needed that done.-a You pay for the full panel, >>>>> but the cut(s) are free.

    A 4 x 8 plywood panel is about $50 at Home Depot.

    It would seem that I have hit on a false friend - my dictionary
    suggests I could have written "skirting board" (or "list" or "moulding) >>>> rather than "panel".

    Is "panel" incorrect English? Or merely imprecise?


    "Panel" is not a term associated with a particular type of product in
    the US.-a It would be understood to be a flat piece of wood used to
    cover an opening.-a Hence, I guessed you purchased a sheet of plywood.

    "One meter" of plywood seems incongruous to me - I specified a linear
    measure, and your guess is basically two-dimensional.

    Well, he was talking about a two-dimensional object but perhaps thinking that you only need one measurement changed (1 saw cut).-a [As an aside,
    the cutting set up I've seen in Home Depot and in Lowes is a big fram,
    and a circular saw mounted on a carrier that rides on rails at the top
    and bottom of the frame.-a The carrier may or may not have a scale, but
    the employees will use a tape measure to line up the cut.]

    As Bertel mentions, our "building markets" also have this kind of setup, usually with a fixed price per cut, regardless of how long the cut is.
    Last time I had this done, it cost me 38,- DKK per cut.

    I see now that I invited that interpretation by talking about a hole
    "where a door once had been": The area of the door hole had already
    been filled in, but the previous owners had left the join between
    floor and what was now effectively wall bare, unlike the adjoining
    pieces of wall, leaving a gap ("hole")

    gap seems entirely appropriate here, and hole does not.

    Yes, I see that now - thank you.

    in the skirting board.
    They had presumably had some piece of furniture against the wall,
    but we didn't want that.

    [...]
    "Moulding" is a term for a decoratively milled strip of wood.-a Here,
    one might purchase a plain baseboard and attach a strip of moulding
    above it to achieve a particular look.

    Home decoration vary widely between countries - here, the norm
    (at least in older homes) is to have moulded baseboards (if I understand
    the terminology correctly)


    I won't address that.-a It's all trim and proper when I read the labels
    at the store, but then it gets trimmed from memory.

    [further details of the anectdote elided but sympathetically]

    We ended up using a plain baseboard and painting it to match the moulded
    ones surrounding it, and nobody ever noticed - or remarked on it.

    /Anders, Denmark
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  • From Anders D. Nygaard@news2012adn@google.com to alt.usage.english on Sat Sep 19 23:20:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 9/19/2026 12:04 PM, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
    Den 19.09.2026 kl. 10.18 skrev Anders D. Nygaard:

    Home decoration vary widely between countries - here, the norm
    (at least in older homes) is to have moulded baseboards (if I understand
    the terminology correctly)

    My house from 1979 has plain baseboards. It's part of an area where the
    same builder made all the houses.

    Ours was from 1928.

    /Anders, Denmark
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  • From nospam@nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) to alt.usage.english on Sat Sep 19 23:36:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    <athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:

    Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> posted:

    On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 09:42:40 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> wrote:

    Den 18.09.2026 kl. 23.33 skrev Silvano:

    caused the improvement? Also, silly me, I keep forgetting, where's your >> country?

    I have made this page for myself, but maybe others might use it, so I >just placed it on the net here:

    http://aue.lundhansen.dk/

    It shows the info I have been able to collect from the messages in AUE.

    You have placed me in Miami, Florida. I live in the Orlando, Florida
    area. The two are about 240 miles/386 kilometers apart. Still
    Florida, but cities with two different cultures in many ways.

    For me, I'd prefer "English" rather than "Brit" (an American term that British people never use?) My city is Marseilles (or Marseille if you insist).

    I think Jan might prefer "The Netherlands" over "Holland" as his country, though "Holland" might be OK for the region (if it's correct -- I don't know).

    Not a matter of preference, different entities.
    'The Netherlands' resulted from the uprising of The Low Countries
    against the king of Spain. (who had inherited them all)
    There were 17 of them, but only 7 succeeded in becoming independent,
    in The Republic of The Seven United Provinces.
    (after an 80 years war of independence)
    It was a federation of independent states.

    Holland was the biggest, the richest,
    and by far the most important and powerful of the seven,
    and it contained most of the important towns.
    So 'Holland' was often used for the whole.
    It is not unlike the England/Britain distinction.

    Language idem.
    The dialect of Holland became the de facto standard language.
    In various other languages some variant of 'Hollands' is used for Dutch
    instead of 'Nederlands'. (Japanese for example has 'Oranda')
    French has both 'Hollandais' and 'Neerlandais'.
    The English use of 'Dutch' is exceptional.

    The main reason: Holland had internal waterways that made rapid travel,
    and hence standardisation of the language much easier.

    Jan






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  • From nospam@nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) to alt.usage.english on Sat Sep 19 23:36:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

    On 19/09/2026 09:08, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
    Den 19.09.2026 kl. 09.56 skrev Aidan Kehoe:

    It surprises me a little that of the ersatz (we borrowed the German word) >> coffees of the Second World War, none, to my knowledge, intentionally
    included
    a stimulant.

    I just had a thought: Was tea readily available? Or weren't that many people concerned with that stimulant?

    Tea can easily contain more caffein/thein than coffee (per cup).

    In the UK tea was certainly rationed, but it was judged to be vital to
    the nation's morale and was thus given priority.

    Strange but true: In 1942 the UK government bought up every available
    pound of tea from every country in the world except Japan.

    But tea was rationed, and the British were urged by their government
    to change their traditional rule of
    "One for you One for me One for the pot!" into
    "One for you One for me None for the pot!"

    Jan


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  • From Silvano@Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it to alt.usage.english on Sat Sep 19 23:51:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    Sam Plusnet hat am 19.09.2026 um 22:02 geschrieben:
    In the UK tea was certainly rationed, but it was judged to be vital to
    the nation's morale and was thus given priority.

    Strange but true: In 1942 the UK government bought up every available
    pound of tea from every country in the world except Japan.


    Well, I can't imagine Japan selling tea (or anything else) to the _UK_
    in 1942, even if we ignore the fact that Japanese drink a lot of tea
    themselves and probably did not have any tea available for sale to other countries.
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  • From Ross Clark@benlizro@ihug.co.nz to alt.usage.english on Sun Sep 20 15:27:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 20/09/2026 4:31 a.m., athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:

    Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> posted:

    On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 09:42:40 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen
    <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> wrote:

    Den 18.09.2026 kl. 23.33 skrev Silvano:

    caused the improvement? Also, silly me, I keep forgetting, where's your >>>> country?

    I have made this page for myself, but maybe others might use it, so I
    just placed it on the net here:

    http://aue.lundhansen.dk/

    It shows the info I have been able to collect from the messages in AUE.

    You have placed me in Miami, Florida. I live in the Orlando, Florida
    area. The two are about 240 miles/386 kilometers apart. Still
    Florida, but cities with two different cultures in many ways.

    For me, I'd prefer "English" rather than "Brit" (an American term that British people never use?) My city is Marseilles (or Marseille if you insist).

    I think Jan might prefer "The Netherlands" over "Holland" as his country, though "Holland" might be OK for the region (if it's correct -- I don't know).
    The same may apply to Ruud Harmsen.

    Lar3Ryca's city is, I think, Regina. He's certainly in Saskatchewan.

    Liz Tuddenham's city is, I think, Bath.

    Paul Carmichael's nearest city is indeed M|ilaga, but I think he lives somewhere
    out in the sticks.

    Peter Moylan's city is Newcastle, where one of my nephews was born (his two brothers were born in Scone, almost next door for Australian ideas of distances).

    Sam Plusnet is English.


    Oh well, since we're Fixing...I am Canadian (by birth and upbringing),
    though I've lived in NZ for more than half my life now.
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  • From athel.cb@gmail.com@user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.usage.english on Sun Sep 20 06:46:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english


    Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> posted:

    On 19/09/2026 09:08, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
    Den 19.09.2026 kl. 09.56 skrev Aidan Kehoe:

    It surprises me a little that of the ersatz (we borrowed the German word) >> coffees of the Second World War, none, to my knowledge, intentionally
    included
    a stimulant.

    I just had a thought: Was tea readily available? Or weren't that many people concerned with that stimulant?

    Tea can easily contain more caffein/thein than coffee (per cup).

    In the UK tea was certainly rationed, but it was judged to be vital to
    the nation's morale and was thus given priority.

    Strange but true: In 1942 the UK government bought up every available
    pound of tea from every country in the world except Japan.

    I the past Chile was very much a tea-drinking country, along with Russia and Britain. When Pablo Neruda was a Chilean consular representative in Ceylon,
    as it then was, a British officer asked him what they did with all the tea that they imported, thinking it might have some industrial or military use
    that they didn't know about. We drink it, said Neruda.
    --
    athel

    Living in Marseilles for 39 years; mainly in England before that,
    with long periods in Singapore, California, Chile and Canada
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  • From Bertel Lund Hansen@rundtosset@lundhansen.dk to alt.usage.english on Sun Sep 20 09:49:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    Den 20.09.2026 kl. 08.46 skrev athel.cb@gmail.com:

    I the past Chile was very much a tea-drinking country, along with Russia and Britain. When Pablo Neruda was a Chilean consular representative in Ceylon, as it then was, a British officer asked him what they did with all the tea that they imported, thinking it might have some industrial or military use that they didn't know about. We drink it, said Neruda.

    Some years ago some family members from Argentina came to visit. They
    brought a calabas which is used for mat|-. So we learned how to drink mat|-.

    https://s3.envato.com/files/416245655/61c969ca-3789-4bc5-a87d-25a5e6df5798.jpg

    We also learned that ll in Argentina is pronounced like "ch" in "Chile".
    --
    Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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  • From Bertel Lund Hansen@rundtosset@lundhansen.dk to alt.usage.english on Sun Sep 20 09:54:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    Den 19.09.2026 kl. 19.50 skrev athel.cb@gmail.com:

    You have quite a few names I don't recognize, even vaguely: Cujo Desockpuppet Daniel70, rhino ...

    I have a statistics program that hoover all the names that are used in a newsgroup. Maybe I should limit the list to regulars?

    You also have some I wouldn't bother with: does anyone care where Henhanna lives, for example? or Mr. Man-Wai Chang?

    No.

    Why are some names in italics?

    Those are well-known participants that have not been active in the period.

    You have put us in alphabetical order of given names. Is that ordering
    ever used in Denmark?

    I don't know - I don't think that it is common. But it seems to me the
    most reasonable ordering for such a list. I know people by their first
    name more than by their last name.
    --
    Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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  • From Aidan Kehoe@kehoea@parhasard.net to alt.usage.english on Sun Sep 20 08:57:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english


    Ar an fichi|| l|i de m|! M|-an F||mhair, scr|!obh Bertel Lund Hansen:

    Den 20.09.2026 kl. 08.46 skrev athel.cb@gmail.com:

    I the past Chile was very much a tea-drinking country, along with Russia and Britain. When Pablo Neruda was a Chilean consular representative in Ceylon, as it then was, a British officer asked him what they did with all the tea that they imported, thinking it might have some industrial or military use that they didn't know about. We drink it, said Neruda.

    Some years ago some family members from Argentina came to visit. They brought a
    calabas which is used for mat|-. So we learned how to drink mat|-.

    https://s3.envato.com/files/416245655/61c969ca-3789-4bc5-a87d-25a5e6df5798.jpg

    We also learned that ll in Argentina is pronounced like "ch" in "Chile".

    No; /-a/ or /-A/ depending, as far as I can tell, on the speakerrCOs age, probably
    with some socioeconomic complications. The <ch> in Chile is the same as the sound in English.
    --
    rCyAs I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
    How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stoutrCO
    (C. Moore)
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  • From Bertel Lund Hansen@rundtosset@lundhansen.dk to alt.usage.english on Sun Sep 20 10:05:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    Den 20.09.2026 kl. 09.54 skrev Bertel Lund Hansen:

    I have a statistics program that hoover all the names that are used in a newsgroup. Maybe I should limit the list to regulars?

    I have shortened the list now.
    --
    Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Bertel Lund Hansen@rundtosset@lundhansen.dk to alt.usage.english on Sun Sep 20 10:10:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    Den 19.09.2026 kl. 21.02 skrev Rich Ulrich:

    The Return: Following relentless public pressure and historical
    corrections presented to Washington, the Board on Geographic Names
    reversed its decision on July 19, 1911, officially restoring the
    "h" to Pittsburgh. July 19 is now celebrated locally as "H Day".

    Fixed.
    --
    Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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  • From Bertel Lund Hansen@rundtosset@lundhansen.dk to alt.usage.english on Sun Sep 20 10:13:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    Den 20.09.2026 kl. 09.57 skrev Aidan Kehoe:

    > We also learned that ll in Argentina is pronounced like "ch" in "Chile".

    No; /-a/ or /-A/ depending, as far as I can tell, on the speakerrCOs age, probably
    with some socioeconomic complications. The <ch> in Chile is the same as the sound in English.

    That was the sound I heard from my family members.
    --
    Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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  • From nospam@nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) to alt.usage.english on Sun Sep 20 10:31:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    Anders D. Nygaard <news2012adn@google.com> wrote:

    As Bertel mentions, our "building markets" also have this kind of setup, usually with a fixed price per cut, regardless of how long the cut is.
    Last time I had this done, it cost me 38,- DKK per cut.

    That is extortionate.
    Hasn't Hornbach moved into Denmark yet?

    Jan

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  • From athel.cb@gmail.com@user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.usage.english on Sun Sep 20 10:17:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english


    Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> posted:


    Ar an fichi|| l|i de m|! M|-an F||mhair, scr|!obh Bertel Lund Hansen:

    Den 20.09.2026 kl. 08.46 skrev athel.cb@gmail.com:

    I the past Chile was very much a tea-drinking country, along with Russia and Britain. When Pablo Neruda was a Chilean consular representative in Ceylon, as it then was, a British officer asked him what they did with all
    the tea that they imported, thinking it might have some industrial or military use that they didn't know about. We drink it, said Neruda.

    Some years ago some family members from Argentina came to visit. They brought a
    calabas which is used for mat|-. So we learned how to drink mat|-.

    https://s3.envato.com/files/416245655/61c969ca-3789-4bc5-a87d-25a5e6df5798.jpg

    We also learned that ll in Argentina is pronounced like "ch" in "Chile".

    No; /-a/ or /-A/ depending, as far as I can tell, on the speakerrCOs age, probably
    with some socioeconomic complications. The <ch> in Chile is the same as the sound in English.

    As you'd expect, there is quite a lot of variation from person to person, but ll and y in Argentina are often close to /d-A/.

    Some years ago I was visiting a colleague in Buenos Aires, and he told me that I
    could pass for Argentinian. He was just being polite, of course, as my Spanish isn't _that_ good, but there was an element of truth. I have a tendency to exaggerate feaures that distinguish Chilean pronunciation from other accents, and
    that brings it closer to Argentinian than most Chileans sound.
    --
    athel

    Living in Marseilles for 39 years; mainly in England before that,
    with long periods in Singapore, California, Chile and Canada
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  • From Anders D. Nygaard@news2012adn@google.com to alt.usage.english on Sun Sep 20 20:24:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 9/20/2026 10:31 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Anders D. Nygaard <news2012adn@google.com> wrote:

    As Bertel mentions, our "building markets" also have this kind of setup,
    usually with a fixed price per cut, regardless of how long the cut is.
    Last time I had this done, it cost me 38,- DKK per cut.

    That is extortionate.

    Well, the time-before-last it was 10,- DKK per cut, so I was a bit
    surprised, but put it down to inflation. 20-odd years of it.

    Hasn't Hornbach moved into Denmark yet?

    Google says no.

    /Anders, Denmark
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  • From Peter Moylan@peter@pmoylan.org to alt.usage.english on Mon Sep 21 12:19:32 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 20/09/26 02:31, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:

    Peter Moylan's city is Newcastle, where one of my nephews was born
    (his two brothers were born in Scone, almost next door for Australian
    ideas of distances).

    My daughter's husband is from Scone.

    Scone (rhymes with bone, unlike the bakery product[1]) is in the Hunter
    Valley, and Newcastle is the biggest city in the Hunter Valley, so Scone
    is sometimes seen as lying in the sphere of influence of Newcastle. But Newcastle is on the coast, so it can only have a semicircle of influence.

    I'm actually a native of Victoria, but at the age of 21 I moved to New
    South Wales, and I've been here ever since, apart from short absences. I mention this because some Australians, like some Americans, tend to
    think of different states as if they were foreign countries.

    If there are any New Zealanders reading this, how to people there think
    about their two big islands? On a map it looks as if they're almost
    touching, but in fact the ferry ride is an ocean voyage of three and a
    half hours.

    (Victoria to Tasmanis is worse. The ferry takes between 9 and 11 hours, depending on weather.)


    [1] Let us not get into the complications of the Scone of Stoon, on
    which the Low King must sit.
    --
    Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
    Newcastle, NSW
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  • From Peter Moylan@peter@pmoylan.org to alt.usage.english on Mon Sep 21 12:21:14 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On 20/09/26 03:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:

    You have put us in alphabetical order of given names. Is that ordering
    ever used in Denmark? I've only encountered it in Brazil and (once only, I think) in Portugal.

    That's how the Contacts list in my phone is sorted.
    --
    Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
    Newcastle, NSW
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  • From Bertel Lund Hansen@rundtosset@lundhansen.dk to alt.usage.english on Mon Sep 21 09:34:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    Den 21.09.2026 kl. 04.21 skrev Peter Moylan:

    You have put us in alphabetical order of given names. Is that ordering
    ever used in Denmark? I've only encountered it in Brazil and (once
    only, I
    think) in Portugal.

    That's how the Contacts list in my phone is sorted.

    So is mine (Android). It makes sense.
    --
    Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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  • From Hibou@vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid to alt.usage.english on Mon Sep 21 08:48:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    Le 21/09/2026 |a 08:34, Bertel Lund Hansen a |-crit :
    Den 21.09.2026 kl. 04.21 skrev Peter Moylan:
    [...]
    You have put us in alphabetical order of given names. Is that ordering
    ever used in Denmark? I've only encountered it in Brazil and (once
    only, I
    think) in Portugal.

    That's how the Contacts list in my phone is sorted.

    So is mine (Android). It makes sense.


    Mine too. The obvious way is to sort using the names one first thinks
    of, be they first name, last name, nickname, or generic: Fred, Gromit,
    doctor, Boots [the chemist's], work [switchboard], g|<te, power cut, Her IndoorsrCa. I enter the whole name in the 'first name' field in order to
    force this.

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  • From nospam@nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) to alt.usage.english on Mon Sep 21 10:24:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    Anders D. Nygaard <news2012adn@google.com> wrote:

    On 9/20/2026 10:31 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Anders D. Nygaard <news2012adn@google.com> wrote:

    As Bertel mentions, our "building markets" also have this kind of setup, >> usually with a fixed price per cut, regardless of how long the cut is.
    Last time I had this done, it cost me 38,- DKK per cut.

    That is extortionate.

    Well, the time-before-last it was 10,- DKK per cut, so I was a bit
    surprised, but put it down to inflation. 20-odd years of it.

    Hasn't Hornbach moved into Denmark yet?

    Google says no.

    They are in Malmo, if that is an option.
    Hornbach is very agressive on pricing. [1]
    (looking for sawing)
    First ten cuts/panel for free, 50 cents/cut from the 11th cut onwards,

    Jan

    [1] Seen it somewhere else for less and can show it?
    Get it for the lower price minus twice the difference.


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  • From Bertel Lund Hansen@rundtosset@lundhansen.dk to alt.usage.english on Mon Sep 21 10:32:32 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    Den 21.09.2026 kl. 09.48 skrev Hibou:

    Mine too. The obvious way is to sort using the names one first thinks
    of, be they first name, last name, nickname, or generic: Fred, Gromit, doctor, Boots [the chemist's], work [switchboard], g|<te, power cut, Her IndoorsrCa. I enter the whole name in the 'first name' field in order to force this.

    I mostly just enter one name.
    --
    Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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  • From Rich Ulrich@rich.ulrich@comcast.net to alt.usage.english on Mon Sep 21 15:28:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On Mon, 21 Sep 2026 08:48:19 +0100, Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

    Le 21/09/2026 |a 08:34, Bertel Lund Hansen a |-crit :
    Den 21.09.2026 kl. 04.21 skrev Peter Moylan:
    [...]
    You have put us in alphabetical order of given names. Is that ordering >>>> ever used in Denmark? I've only encountered it in Brazil and (once
    only, I
    think) in Portugal.

    That's how the Contacts list in my phone is sorted.

    So is mine (Android). It makes sense.


    Mine too. The obvious way is to sort using the names one first thinks
    of, be they first name, last name, nickname, or generic: Fred, Gromit, >doctor, Boots [the chemist's], work [switchboard], g|<te, power cut, Her >IndoorsrCa. I enter the whole name in the 'first name' field in order to >force this.

    That was a misleading 'agreement' - What you achieve by manipulation
    is not the same as implying it is the default.

    Yes, my iPhone lets me put whatever I want into the Name fields.
    The sort is Last Name, First name -- when I provide both. It shows
    me an icon with those initials, too.

    I can put in whatever else I want, and I sometimes do. For Amruta at
    Chartwell, I don't even know her last name, so Chartwell will do.

    I want theincoming call to be properly and USEfully indentiied. I
    have few enough contacts that scanning all my contacts is not a
    big deal.
    --
    Rich Ulrich
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  • From Steve Hayes@hayesstw@telkomsa.net to alt.usage.english on Tue Sep 22 02:16:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    On Mon, 21 Sep 2026 09:34:47 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> wrote:

    Den 21.09.2026 kl. 04.21 skrev Peter Moylan:

    You have put us in alphabetical order of given names. Is that ordering
    ever used in Denmark? I've only encountered it in Brazil and (once
    only, I
    think) in Portugal.

    That's how the Contacts list in my phone is sorted.

    So is mine (Android). It makes sense.

    And my Android phone has hybrid sorting.

    Some contacts are stored surname first, and some are stored first name
    first.

    The disadvantage of that is that I sometimes think someone isn't in my
    contacts list, and when I try to add them, it tells me the number is
    already there.

    I think the difference is whether the contacts are stored in the
    phone's internal memor, or on the SIM card. The latter seems to insist
    on first names first.
    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
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  • From Hibou@vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid to alt.usage.english on Tue Sep 22 06:47:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    Le 21/09/2026 |a 20:28, Rich Ulrich a |-crit :
    Hibou wrote:

    Mine too. The obvious way is to sort using the names one first thinks
    of, be they first name, last name, nickname, or generic: Fred, Gromit,
    doctor, Boots [the chemist's], work [switchboard], g|<te, power cut, Her
    IndoorsrCa. I enter the whole name in the 'first name' field in order to
    force this.

    That was a misleading 'agreement' - What you achieve by manipulation
    is not the same as implying it is the default. [...]


    Oh, did I imply that? That was remiss of me.

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  • From Bertel Lund Hansen@rundtosset@lundhansen.dk to alt.usage.english on Tue Sep 22 08:00:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    Den 21.09.2026 kl. 21.28 skrev Rich Ulrich:

    IndoorsrCa. I enter the whole name in the 'first name' field in order to
    force this.

    That was a misleading 'agreement' - What you achieve by manipulation
    is not the same as implying it is the default.

    I just tried to enter a test contact. It seems at first that there is
    only one line for the name, but I can press on a down arrow and then
    several fields appear:

    Prefix
    Name
    Middlename
    Lastname
    Name suffix

    I then enter something at each line, but it is presented on one line.
    The system sorts by firstname skipping the prefix.
    --
    Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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  • From Bertel Lund Hansen@rundtosset@lundhansen.dk to alt.usage.english on Tue Sep 22 10:45:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.usage.english

    Den 19.09.2026 kl. 23.18 skrev Anders D. Nygaard:

    As Bertel mentions, our "building markets" also have this kind of setup, usually with a fixed price per cut, regardless of how long the cut is.
    Last time I had this done, it cost me 38,- DKK per cut.

    I just checked in a market that is nationwide, Bauhaus. 30 kr. per cut.
    --
    Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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