From Patti Smith's _Woolgathering_:
I fired up a pan of Joan of Arc beans; poured olive oil over some
shredded lettuce and opened a bottle of Gatorade. I was hungry so I
stood as I ate, then scraped my plate and left it in the sink.
I assumed this was a recipe I hadn't heard of, so I googled it, & I
was surprised to find that it's a brand of canned beans.
<https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/>
It seems like an odd trade name, but I can't find any explanation of
it on the website. According to Wikipedia, the current owner bought
the brand from Pillsbury in 1999.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%26G_Foods
--
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the
freedom it gives its assimilated conformists. ---Abbie Hoffman
From Patti Smith's _Woolgathering_:
I fired up a pan of Joan of Arc beans; poured olive oil over some
shredded lettuce and opened a bottle of Gatorade. I was hungry so I
stood as I ate, then scraped my plate and left it in the sink.
I assumed this was a recipe I hadn't heard of, so I googled it, & I
was surprised to find that it's a brand of canned beans.
<https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/>
It seems like an odd trade name, but I can't find any explanation of
it on the website. According to Wikipedia, the current owner bought
the brand from Pillsbury in 1999.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%26G_Foods
On 23/06/2026 1:04 a.m., Adam Funk wrote:
From Patti Smith's _Woolgathering_:
I fired up a pan of Joan of Arc beans; poured olive oil over some
shredded lettuce and opened a bottle of Gatorade. I was hungry so I
stood as I ate, then scraped my plate and left it in the sink.
I assumed this was a recipe I hadn't heard of, so I googled it, & I
was surprised to find that it's a brand of canned beans.
<https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/>
It seems like an odd trade name, but I can't find any explanation of
it on the website. According to Wikipedia, the current owner bought
the brand from Pillsbury in 1999.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%26G_Foods
"Actually burnt at the stake!"?
Probably wouldn't work, but it was inspired by the Quaker Puffed Wheat I
ate for breakfast as a boy, which actually did say "Shot from guns!" on
the box.
On 23/06/2026 1:04 a.m., Adam Funk wrote:
-aFrom Patti Smith's _Woolgathering_:
-a-a-a I fired up a pan of Joan of Arc beans; poured olive oil over some
-a-a-a shredded lettuce and opened a bottle of Gatorade. I was hungry so I >> -a-a-a stood as I ate, then scraped my plate and left it in the sink.
I assumed this was a recipe I hadn't heard of, so I googled it, & I
was surprised to find that it's a brand of canned beans.
<https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/>
It seems like an odd trade name, but I can't find any explanation of
it on the website. According to Wikipedia, the current owner bought
the brand from Pillsbury in 1999.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%26G_Foods
"Actually burnt at the stake!"?
Probably wouldn't work, but it was inspired by the Quaker Puffed Wheat I
ate for breakfast as a boy, which actually did say "Shot from guns!" on
the box.
On 23/06/2026 1:04 a.m., Adam Funk wrote:
From Patti Smith's _Woolgathering_:
I fired up a pan of Joan of Arc beans; poured olive oil over some
shredded lettuce and opened a bottle of Gatorade. I was hungry so I
stood as I ate, then scraped my plate and left it in the sink.
I assumed this was a recipe I hadn't heard of, so I googled it, & I
was surprised to find that it's a brand of canned beans.
<https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/>
It seems like an odd trade name, but I can't find any explanation of
it on the website. According to Wikipedia, the current owner bought
the brand from Pillsbury in 1999.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%26G_Foods
"Actually burnt at the stake!"?
Le 22/06/2026 |a 22:44, Ross Clark a |-crit :
On 23/06/2026 1:04 a.m., Adam Funk wrote:
From Patti Smith's _Woolgathering_:
I fired up a pan of Joan of Arc beans; poured olive oil over some
shredded lettuce and opened a bottle of Gatorade. I was hungry so I
stood as I ate, then scraped my plate and left it in the sink.
I assumed this was a recipe I hadn't heard of, so I googled it, & I
was surprised to find that it's a brand of canned beans.
<https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/>
It seems like an odd trade name, but I can't find any explanation of
it on the website. According to Wikipedia, the current owner bought
the brand from Pillsbury in 1999.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%26G_Foods
"Actually burnt at the stake!"?
Probably wouldn't work, but it was inspired by the Quaker Puffed Wheat I ate for breakfast as a boy, which actually did say "Shot from guns!" on
the box.
Joan of Arc has long been used in advertising and propaganda, it seems,de_1152720/>
and not always successfullyrCa
'Objet de r|-clame et de propagande' - <https://www.larep.fr/orleans-45000/actualites/objet-de-reclame-et-de-propagan
:
-2 Avec quelques rat|-s : les laxatifs orl|-anais Jeanne d'Arc ont disparu, la 'Br|+lerie Jeanne d'Arc' aurait vite |-t|- rebaptis|-e 'Caf|-s Jeanne d'Arc', quant |a la 'R||tisserie Jeanne d'Arc', rue de Bourgogne, elle a
fait long feu. -+
Joan of Arc laxatives no longer exist, the Joan of Arc (Coffee) Roastery
has been renamed Joan of Arc Caf|-s, and the Joan of Arc RotisserierCa misfired.
Hibou wrote:
Joan of Arc laxatives no longer exist, the Joan of Arc (Coffee) Roastery
has been renamed Joan of Arc Caf|-s, and the Joan of Arc RotisserierCa
misfired.
But she does survive in her role of patron saint of the Front National.
If Marine le Pen ever gets elected we'll see her
dressed up for president in Jeanne d'Arc armour,
Joan of Arc laxatives no longer exist, the Joan of Arc (Coffee) Roastery
has been renamed Joan of Arc Caf|-s, and the Joan of Arc RotisserierCa misfired.
Le 23/06/2026 |a 07:59, J. J. Lodder a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
Joan of Arc laxatives no longer exist, the Joan of Arc (Coffee) Roastery >> has been renamed Joan of Arc Caf|-s, and the Joan of Arc RotisserierCa
misfired.
But she does survive in her role of patron saint of the Front National.
If Marine le Pen ever gets elected we'll see her
dressed up for president in Jeanne d'Arc armour,
Patron saint of the RN and patron saint of beans, eh? Fair enough. Both producerCa a lot of hot air.
On 23/06/2026 07:58, Hibou wrote:
Joan of Arc laxatives no longer exist, the Joan of Arc (Coffee) Roastery
has been renamed Joan of Arc Caf|-s, and the Joan of Arc RotisserierCa
misfired.
How to order a steak at the restaurant.
Un steak... saignant; bleu; |a point; bien cuit; Jeanne d'Arc
Le 22/06/2026 |a 22:44, Ross Clark a |-crit :
On 23/06/2026 1:04 a.m., Adam Funk wrote:
-aFrom Patti Smith's _Woolgathering_:"Actually burnt at the stake!"?
-a-a-a I fired up a pan of Joan of Arc beans; poured olive oil over some >>> -a-a-a shredded lettuce and opened a bottle of Gatorade. I was hungry so I >>> -a-a-a stood as I ate, then scraped my plate and left it in the sink.
I assumed this was a recipe I hadn't heard of, so I googled it, & I
was surprised to find that it's a brand of canned beans.
<https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/>
It seems like an odd trade name, but I can't find any explanation of
it on the website. According to Wikipedia, the current owner bought
the brand from Pillsbury in 1999.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%26G_Foods
Probably wouldn't work, but it was inspired by the Quaker Puffed
Wheat I ate for breakfast as a boy, which actually did say "Shot
from guns!" on the box.
Joan of Arc has long been used in advertising and propaganda, it
seems, and not always successfullyrCa
'Objet de r|-clame et de propagande' - <https://www.larep.fr/orleans-45000/actualites/objet-de-reclame-et-de-propagande_1152720/>
:
-2 Avec quelques rat|-s : les laxatifs orl|-anais Jeanne d'Arc ont
disparu, la 'Br|+lerie Jeanne d'Arc' aurait vite |-t|- rebaptis|-e 'Caf|-s Jeanne d'Arc', quant |a la 'R||tisserie Jeanne d'Arc', rue de Bourgogne,
elle a fait long feu. -+
Joan of Arc laxatives no longer exist, the Joan of Arc (Coffee)
Roastery has been renamed Joan of Arc Caf|-s, and the Joan of Arc RotisserierCa misfired.
On 23/06/2026 1:04 a.m., Adam Funk wrote:
-aFrom Patti Smith's _Woolgathering_:
-a-a-a I fired up a pan of Joan of Arc beans; poured olive oil over some
-a-a-a shredded lettuce and opened a bottle of Gatorade. I was hungry so I >> -a-a-a stood as I ate, then scraped my plate and left it in the sink.
I assumed this was a recipe I hadn't heard of, so I googled it, & I
was surprised to find that it's a brand of canned beans.
<https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/>
It seems like an odd trade name, but I can't find any explanation of
it on the website. According to Wikipedia, the current owner bought
the brand from Pillsbury in 1999.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%26G_Foods
"Actually burnt at the stake!"?
Probably wouldn't work, but it was inspired by the Quaker Puffed Wheat I
ate for breakfast as a boy, which actually did say "Shot from guns!" on
the box.
Le 22/06/2026 |a 22:44, Ross Clark a |-crit :
On 23/06/2026 1:04 a.m., Adam Funk wrote:
-aFrom Patti Smith's _Woolgathering_:
-a-a-a I fired up a pan of Joan of Arc beans; poured olive oil over some >>> -a-a-a shredded lettuce and opened a bottle of Gatorade. I was hungry so I >>> -a-a-a stood as I ate, then scraped my plate and left it in the sink.
I assumed this was a recipe I hadn't heard of, so I googled it, & I
was surprised to find that it's a brand of canned beans.
<https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/>
It seems like an odd trade name, but I can't find any explanation of
it on the website. According to Wikipedia, the current owner bought
the brand from Pillsbury in 1999.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%26G_Foods
"Actually burnt at the stake!"?
Probably wouldn't work, but it was inspired by the Quaker Puffed Wheat I
ate for breakfast as a boy, which actually did say "Shot from guns!" on
the box.
Joan of Arc has long been used in advertising and propaganda, it seems,
and not always successfullyrCa
'Objet de r|-clame et de propagande' -
<https://www.larep.fr/orleans-45000/actualites/objet-de-reclame-et-de-propagande_1152720/>
:
-2 Avec quelques rat|-s : les laxatifs orl|-anais Jeanne d'Arc ont disparu, la 'Br|+lerie Jeanne d'Arc' aurait vite |-t|- rebaptis|-e 'Caf|-s Jeanne d'Arc', quant |a la 'R||tisserie Jeanne d'Arc', rue de Bourgogne, elle a fait long feu. -+
Joan of Arc laxatives no longer exist, the Joan of Arc (Coffee) Roastery
has been renamed Joan of Arc Caf|-s, and the Joan of Arc RotisserierCa misfired.
On 23/06/2026 1:04 a.m., Adam Funk wrote:
From Patti Smith's _Woolgathering_:
I fired up a pan of Joan of Arc beans; poured olive oil over some
shredded lettuce and opened a bottle of Gatorade. I was hungry so I
stood as I ate, then scraped my plate and left it in the sink.
I assumed this was a recipe I hadn't heard of, so I googled it, & I
was surprised to find that it's a brand of canned beans.
<https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/>
It seems like an odd trade name, but I can't find any explanation of
it on the website. According to Wikipedia, the current owner bought
the brand from Pillsbury in 1999.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%26G_Foods
"Actually burnt at the stake!"?
Probably wouldn't work, but it was inspired by the Quaker Puffed Wheat I
ate for breakfast as a boy, which actually did say "Shot from guns!" on
the box.
On 2026-06-23, Hibou wrote:
Le 22/06/2026 |a 22:44, Ross Clark a |-crit :
On 23/06/2026 1:04 a.m., Adam Funk wrote:
-aFrom Patti Smith's _Woolgathering_:
-a-a-a I fired up a pan of Joan of Arc beans; poured olive oil over some >>> -a-a-a shredded lettuce and opened a bottle of Gatorade. I was hungry so I
-a-a-a stood as I ate, then scraped my plate and left it in the sink.
I assumed this was a recipe I hadn't heard of, so I googled it, & I
was surprised to find that it's a brand of canned beans.
<https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/>
It seems like an odd trade name, but I can't find any explanation of
it on the website. According to Wikipedia, the current owner bought
the brand from Pillsbury in 1999.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%26G_Foods
"Actually burnt at the stake!"?
Probably wouldn't work, but it was inspired by the Quaker Puffed Wheat I >> ate for breakfast as a boy, which actually did say "Shot from guns!" on >> the box.
Joan of Arc has long been used in advertising and propaganda, it seems,
Yes, but not so much in the USA?
and not always successfullyrCa
'Objet de r|-clame et de propagande' -
<https://www.larep.fr/orleans-45000/actualites/objet-de-reclame-et-de-propagande_1152720/>
:
-2 Avec quelques rat|-s : les laxatifs orl|-anais Jeanne d'Arc ont disparu,
la 'Br|+lerie Jeanne d'Arc' aurait vite |-t|- rebaptis|-e 'Caf|-s Jeanne d'Arc', quant |a la 'R||tisserie Jeanne d'Arc', rue de Bourgogne, elle a fait long feu. -+
Joan of Arc laxatives no longer exist, the Joan of Arc (Coffee) Roastery has been renamed Joan of Arc Caf|-s, and the Joan of Arc RotisserierCa misfired.
You can't make this stuff up.
In contrast to the usual "history is written by the victors", the
English Wikipedia article on the siege of Compi|?gne is a bit longer &
more detailed than the French one.
<https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g17849101-d26822064-Reviews-Statue_equestre_Jeanne_d_Arc-Compiegne_Oise_Hauts_de_France.html>
The first time I visited the Ch|oteau de Vincennes (a real castle: it's not just
the name of a M|-tro station) I read the inscriptions on the various exhibits and was struck by a battle the French claimed to have won against the English,
but which I had never heard of. The next time I was there I looked for it to remind me of the name of the battle so that I could check up on the history. Alas, I couldn't find it again.
That reminds me. If the Dear Leader manages to build his Arc de Trump, what triumphs will be displayed? Korea was at best a stalemate, and Vietnam, Cuba (Bay of Pigs), Iraq and Afghanistan were clearly failures, now to be joined by
Iran. Grenada, I suppose, though whether it deserves a monument is arguable. No doubt Trump thinks the First and Second World Wars were triumphs of the USA,
which theh they were, I suppose, as long as you forget the contributions made by the USSR, the British Empire, Free French, Free Poles, etc.
Le 24/06/2026 |a 15:34, athel.cb@gmail.com a |-crit :
The first time I visited the Ch|oteau de Vincennes (a real castle: it's not just
the name of a M|-tro station) I read the inscriptions on the various exhibits
and was struck by a battle the French claimed to have won against the English,
but which I had never heard of. The next time I was there I looked for it to
remind me of the name of the battle so that I could check up on the history.
Alas, I couldn't find it again.
I looked in vain for Agincourt in the Galerie des batailles in the
Ch|oteau de Versailles. Are battles only battles if one won them? Is it a peculiar British thing to remember Dunkirk and the Charge of the Light Brigade?
As for names, I rather like the War of Jenkins's Ear:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Jenkins%27_Ear> :
"The name derives from Robert Jenkins, a British sea captain whose ear
was allegedly severed in April 1731 by Spanish coast guards searching
his ship for contraband."
That reminds me. If the Dear Leader manages to build his Arc de Trump, what triumphs will be displayed? Korea was at best a stalemate, and Vietnam, Cuba
(Bay of Pigs), Iraq and Afghanistan were clearly failures, now to be joined by
Iran. Grenada, I suppose, though whether it deserves a monument is arguable.
No doubt Trump thinks the First and Second World Wars were triumphs of the USA,
which theh they were, I suppose, as long as you forget the contributions made
by the USSR, the British Empire, Free French, Free Poles, etc.
It's so easy to forget the Soviets, British, et al.. "They stood alonerCa."
<https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/mpv-shot0002-6.jpg> (From the film 'Twelve o'Clock High', which is in itself a good film.
Shame about this clumsy intertitle.)
On 2026-06-22, Ross Clark wrote:
On 23/06/2026 1:04 a.m., Adam Funk wrote:
From Patti Smith's _Woolgathering_:
I fired up a pan of Joan of Arc beans; poured olive oil over some
shredded lettuce and opened a bottle of Gatorade. I was hungry so I >>> stood as I ate, then scraped my plate and left it in the sink.
I assumed this was a recipe I hadn't heard of, so I googled it, & I
was surprised to find that it's a brand of canned beans.
<https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/>
It seems like an odd trade name, but I can't find any explanation of
it on the website. According to Wikipedia, the current owner bought
the brand from Pillsbury in 1999.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%26G_Foods
"Actually burnt at the stake!"?
Probably wouldn't work, but it was inspired by the Quaker Puffed Wheat I
ate for breakfast as a boy, which actually did say "Shot from guns!" on
the box.
You'll shoot your eye out!
Le 24/06/2026 |a 15:34, athel.cb@gmail.com a |-crit :
The first time I visited the Ch|oteau de Vincennes (a real castle:
it's not just the name of a M|-tro station) I read the inscriptions
on the various exhibits and was struck by a battle the French
claimed to have won against the English, but which I had never
heard of. The next time I was there I looked for it to remind me of
the name of the battle so that I could check up on the history.
Alas, I couldn't find it again.
I looked in vain for Agincourt in the Galerie des batailles in the
Ch|oteau de Versailles. Are battles only battles if one won them? Is
it a peculiar British thing to remember Dunkirk and the Charge of the
Light Brigade?
On 24/06/2026 14:48, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2026-06-22, Ross Clark wrote:
Probably wouldn't work, but it was inspired by the Quaker Puffed Wheat I >>> ate for breakfast as a boy, which actually did say "Shot from guns!" on
the box.
You'll shoot your eye out!
Quite.-a An odd claim to come from pacifist Quakers.
On 23/06/2026 1:04 a.m., Adam Funk wrote:
From Patti Smith's _Woolgathering_:
I fired up a pan of Joan of Arc beans; poured olive oil over some
shredded lettuce and opened a bottle of Gatorade. I was hungry so I
stood as I ate, then scraped my plate and left it in the sink.
I assumed this was a recipe I hadn't heard of, so I googled it, & I
was surprised to find that it's a brand of canned beans.
<https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/>
It seems like an odd trade name, but I can't find any explanation of
it on the website. According to Wikipedia, the current owner bought
the brand from Pillsbury in 1999.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%26G_Foods
"Actually burnt at the stake!"?
Probably wouldn't work, but it was inspired by the Quaker Puffed Wheat I
ate for breakfast as a boy, which actually did say "Shot from guns!" on
the box.
Le 24/06/2026 a 23:29, Sam Plusnet a ocrit :
On 24/06/2026 14:48, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2026-06-22, Ross Clark wrote:
Probably wouldn't work, but it was inspired by the Quaker Puffed Wheat I >>>> ate for breakfast as a boy, which actually did say "Shot from guns!" on >>>> the box.
You'll shoot your eye out!
Quite.a An odd claim to come from pacifist Quakers.
I find "Shot from guns" a bit ambiguous. It tends to conjure an image of lead
shot from a shotgun. "Fill your child with shot"? Perhaps not.
After serious thinking Hibou wrote :
Le 24/06/2026 a 23:29, Sam Plusnet a ocrit :
On 24/06/2026 14:48, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2026-06-22, Ross Clark wrote:
Probably wouldn't work, but it was inspired by the Quaker Puffed
Wheat I
ate for breakfast as a boy, which actually did say "Shot from
guns!" on
the box.
You'll shoot your eye out!
Quite.a An odd claim to come from pacifist Quakers.
I find "Shot from guns" a bit ambiguous. It tends to conjure an image
of lead shot from a shotgun. "Fill your child with shot"? Perhaps not.
Ah, well, you were on the wrong island to see the Quaker Puffed Oats commercials of 45 years ago, 1812 Overture excerpt and images of showers
of puffed cereal erupting from the muzzles of cannon.
And at that time, we still had circuses with acrobats being shot from cannons.
/dps
And at that time, we still had circuses with acrobats being shot from cannons.
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
And at that time, we still had circuses with acrobats being shot from
cannons.
I heard of one who was fired; he didn't have the right calibre for the
job.
On 26/06/26 01:04, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
And at that time, we still had circuses with acrobats being shot from
cannons.
I heard of one who was fired; he didn't have the right calibre for the
job.
I think you mean "sacked".
Hibou wrote:
Patron saint of the RN and patron saint of beans, eh? Fair enough. Both
producerCa a lot of hot air.
If she could only learn to keep her mouth shut
the resemblance would be near perfect, <https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/01/04/21/Pg-32-Joan-of-Arc-gettty.jpg?width=1200>
I looked in vain for Agincourt in the Galerie des batailles in the
Ch|oteau de Versailles. Are battles only battles if one won them? Is it a >peculiar British thing to remember Dunkirk and the Charge of the Light >Brigade?
Le 23/06/2026 |a 09:24, J. J. Lodder a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
Patron saint of the RN and patron saint of beans, eh? Fair enough. Both
producerCa a lot of hot air.
If she could only learn to keep her mouth shut
the resemblance would be near perfect, <https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/01/04/21/Pg-32-Joan-of-Arc-gettty.jpg?width=1200>
The French may have to revisit their 'priorit|- |a droite' rule (give way
to the Right).
On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 16:22:55 +0100, Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
I looked in vain for Agincourt in the Galerie des batailles in the
Chrteau de Versailles. Are battles only battles if one won them? Is it a >peculiar British thing to remember Dunkirk and the Charge of the Light >Brigade?
Serbs remember the Battle of Kosovo, and the annual Vidovdan memorial
is very big.
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
And at that time, we still had circuses with acrobats being shot from >>cannons.I heard of one who was fired; he didn't have the right calibre for the
job.
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> posted:
Le 23/06/2026 |a 09:24, J. J. Lodder a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
Patron saint of the RN and patron saint of beans, eh? Fair enough. Both >>>> producerCa a lot of hot air.
If she could only learn to keep her mouth shut
the resemblance would be near perfect,
<https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/01/04/21/Pg-32-Joan-of-Arc-gettty.jpg?width=1200>
The French may have to revisit their 'priorit|- |a droite' rule (give way >> to the Right).
Her Dad always made a big thing of Joan of Arc. You can see him in the picture.
After serious thinking Hibou wrote :
I find "Shot from guns" a bit ambiguous. It tends to conjure an image
of lead shot from a shotgun. "Fill your child with shot"? Perhaps not.
Ah, well, you were on the wrong island to see the Quaker Puffed Oats commercials of 45 years ago, 1812 Overture excerpt and images of showers
of puffed cereal erupting from the muzzles of cannon. [...]
On 26/06/2026 09:34, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> posted:
Le 23/06/2026 |a 09:24, J. J. Lodder a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
Patron saint of the RN and patron saint of beans, eh? Fair enough. Both >>>> producerCa a lot of hot air.
If she could only learn to keep her mouth shut
the resemblance would be near perfect,
<https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/01/04/21/Pg-32-Joan-of-Arc-gettty.jpg?width=1200>
The French may have to revisit their 'priorit|- |a droite' rule (give way >> to the Right).
Her Dad always made a big thing of Joan of Arc. You can see him in the picture.
I guess Jeanne d'Arc is to the French what St.George is to the British.
And she was actually French, to her credit. Do you think Jean-Marie
thought of himself as a modern day Jeanne d' ?
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote or quoted:
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
And at that time, we still had circuses with acrobats being shot from >>cannons.I heard of one who was fired; he didn't have the right calibre for the
job.
While I have to admit that for me "he" is the default I also use
when I intend to address both men, women, and chatbots, the first
acrobat ever to be shot from a "cannon", the first "human cannonball"
ever was actually a 14-year-old girl, /Rossa Matilda Richter/.
(Somehow related to the subject "Joan of Arc", another heroic woman.)
occam <occam@nowhere.nix> posted:
On 26/06/2026 09:34, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
I guess Jeanne d'Arc is to the French what St.George is to the British.
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> posted:
Le 23/06/2026 a 09:24, J. J. Lodder a ocrit :
Hibou wrote:
Patron saint of the RN and patron saint of beans, eh? Fair enough. Both >> >>>> producea a lot of hot air.
If she could only learn to keep her mouth shut
the resemblance would be near perfect,
<https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/01/04/21/Pg-32-Joan-of-Arc-gettty.jpg?width=1200>
The French may have to revisit their 'priorito a droite' rule (give way >> >> to the Right).
Her Dad always made a big thing of Joan of Arc. You can see him in the picture.
And she was actually French, to her credit. Do you think Jean-Marie
thought of himself as a modern day Jeanne d' ?
Up to a point, I think.
Le 25/06/2026 a 09:50, Snidely a ocrit :
After serious thinking Hibou wrote :
I find "Shot from guns" a bit ambiguous. It tends to conjure an image of >>> lead shot from a shotgun. "Fill your child with shot"? Perhaps not.
Ah, well, you were on the wrong island to see the Quaker Puffed Oats
commercials of 45 years ago, 1812 Overture excerpt and images of showers of >> puffed cereal erupting from the muzzles of cannon. [...]
I suppose I'd call that 'cannon fodder'.
On Fri, 26 Jun 2026 14:59:17 GMT, athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
occam <occam@nowhere.nix> posted:
On 26/06/2026 09:34, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
I guess Jeanne d'Arc is to the French what St.George is to the British.
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> posted:
Le 23/06/2026 |a 09:24, J. J. Lodder a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
Patron saint of the RN and patron saint of beans, eh? Fair enough. Both >>>>>>> producerCa a lot of hot air.
If she could only learn to keep her mouth shut
the resemblance would be near perfect,
<https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/01/04/21/Pg-32-Joan-of-Arc-gettty.jpg?width=1200>
The French may have to revisit their 'priorit|- |a droite' rule (give way
to the Right).
Her Dad always made a big thing of Joan of Arc. You can see him in the picture.
And she was actually French, to her credit. Do you think Jean-Marie
thought of himself as a modern day Jeanne d' ?
Up to a point, I think.
Were the stakes very high? That's a burning question.
On 26/06/2026 18:29, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jun 2026 14:59:17 GMT, athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
occam <occam@nowhere.nix> posted:
On 26/06/2026 09:34, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
I guess Jeanne d'Arc is to the French what St.George is to the British. >>> And she was actually French, to her credit. Do you think Jean-Marie
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> posted:
Le 23/06/2026 |a 09:24, J. J. Lodder a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
Patron saint of the RN and patron saint of beans, eh? Fair enough. Both
producerCa a lot of hot air.
If she could only learn to keep her mouth shut
the resemblance would be near perfect,
<https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/01/04/21/Pg-32-Joan-of-Arc-gettty.jpg?width=1200>
The French may have to revisit their 'priorit|- |a droite' rule (give way
to the Right).
Her Dad always made a big thing of Joan of Arc. You can see him in the picture.
thought of himself as a modern day Jeanne d' ?
Up to a point, I think.
Were the stakes very high? That's a burning question.
I fear your comment will spark a bonfire of puns.
On 26/06/2026 09:34, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:21/Pg-32-Joan-of-Arc-gettty.jpg?width=1200>
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> posted:
Le 23/06/2026 |a 09:24, J. J. Lodder a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
Patron saint of the RN and patron saint of beans, eh? Fair enough. Both >>>> producerCa a lot of hot air.
If she could only learn to keep her mouth shut
the resemblance would be near perfect,
<https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/01/04/
The French may have to revisit their 'priorit|- |a droite' rule (give way >> to the Right).
Her Dad always made a big thing of Joan of Arc. You can see him in the picture.
I guess Jeanne d'Arc is to the French what St.George is to the British.
And she was actually French, to her credit.
Do you think Jean-Marie thought of himself as a modern day Jeanne d' ?
occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
On 26/06/2026 09:34, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:21/Pg-32-Joan-of-Arc-gettty.jpg?width=1200>
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> posted:
Le 23/06/2026 |a 09:24, J. J. Lodder a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
Patron saint of the RN and patron saint of beans, eh? Fair enough. Both >>>>>> producerCa a lot of hot air.
If she could only learn to keep her mouth shut
the resemblance would be near perfect,
<https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/01/04/
I guess Jeanne d'Arc is to the French what St.George is to the British.
The French may have to revisit their 'priorit|- |a droite' rule (give way >>>> to the Right).
Her Dad always made a big thing of Joan of Arc. You can see him in the
picture.
A bad analogy, I think. St. George became English patron saint
in the Middle Ages, when he was already almost mythological.
(martyred before 300 CE)
Jeanne on the other hand has always been a historical person.
(to be used/abused for political purposes whenever that seemed suitable)
As a saint she has always been controversial.
She only got there because the pope felt that the French
had to be given a prize for their sufferings in WW I.
(all earlier requests to canonise her had been rejected)
And she was actually French, to her credit.
Of a kind. From Lorraine, actually.
Do you think Jean-Marie thought of himself as a modern day Jeanne d' ?
Which army would he charge against?
On 27/06/2026 14:23, J. J. Lodder wrote:4/
occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
On 26/06/2026 09:34, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> posted:
Le 23/06/2026 |a 09:24, J. J. Lodder a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
Patron saint of the RN and patron saint of beans, eh? Fair enough. Both
producerCa a lot of hot air.
If she could only learn to keep her mouth shut
the resemblance would be near perfect,
<https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/01/0
21/Pg-32-Joan-of-Arc-gettty.jpg?width=1200>
I guess Jeanne d'Arc is to the French what St.George is to the British.
The French may have to revisit their 'priorit|- |a droite' rule (give way
to the Right).
Her Dad always made a big thing of Joan of Arc. You can see him in the >>> picture.
A bad analogy, I think. St. George became English patron saint
in the Middle Ages, when he was already almost mythological.
'almost mythological'? Please explain. Either was either a real person (which he was) or he was mythological.
And she was actually French, to her credit.
Of a kind. From Lorraine, actually.
Do you think Jean-Marie thought of himself as a modern day Jeanne d' ?
Which army would he charge against?
The EU and the liberals therein?
Hardly an army to charge,
and armour and horseback won't be of much use,
* The Concept: During the late 19th century, American companies frequently named products after heroic, romanticized, or well-known historical figures to imply strength, purity, and premium quality.
Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
From Patti Smith's _Woolgathering_:
I fired up a pan of Joan of Arc beans; poured olive oil over some
shredded lettuce and opened a bottle of Gatorade. I was hungry so I
stood as I ate, then scraped my plate and left it in the sink.
I assumed this was a recipe I hadn't heard of, so I googled it, & I
was surprised to find that it's a brand of canned beans.
<https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/>
It seems like an odd trade name, but I can't find any explanation of
it on the website. According to Wikipedia, the current owner bought
the brand from Pillsbury in 1999.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%26G_Foods
--
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists. ---Abbie Hoffman
(Why did nobody respond ?) --- nice Ling puzzle!
1. The Apostrophe Mistake --- is interesting, like Apron, Umpire....
2. her original surname was Darc, which reminds me of porn-star(s)
with the surname Dark.
The Joan of Arc canned bean brand takes its name directly from the
famous 15th-century French heroine and Catholic saint, [Jeanne d'Arc]().
[1, 2, 3, 4]
## Brand Origins
* The Cannery: The brand originated in 1895 under the Illinois
Canning Company located in Hoopeston, Illinois. [5, 6, 7]
* The Concept: During the late 19th century, American companies frequently named products after heroic, romanticized, or well-known historical figures to imply strength, purity, and premium quality. The company formally incorporated the Joan of Arc name in 1877 for its
general canning lines and later launched its successful national line of
red kidney beans and sweet corn under the label. [5, 7, 8, 9]
* The Modern Hook: Today, the brand is owned by [B&G Foods]
(https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/). Marketing materials heavily lean into the name by describing the legumes as "valiant"
kitchen sidekicks that "save the day" or "transform a meal." [10, 11]
## Origin of the Historical Figure's Name
While the bean brand was named after the saint, the historical name Joan
of Arc itself is actually an Anglicized translation error: [12, 13, 14,
15]
* Jehanne Darc: In 15th-century France, she was known as Jehanne
(or Jeannette), and her fatherrCOs surname was written as Darc (or
Tarc). [1, 2, 16]
* The Apostrophe Mistake: Centuries later, French historians mistakenly assumed Darc meant "from Arc" and added an apostrophe to make it d'Arc.
Joan was actually born in Domr|-my, not a place called Arc. [2, 13, 16]
* The English Translation: English writers translated Jehanne to Joan
and kept the literal translation of d'Arc as of Arc. During her actual lifetime, she simply called herself Jehanne la Pucelle ("Joan the
Maid"). [2, 12, 13, 16]
If you are looking for specific information, would you like to know more about the history of the Hoopeston, Illinois cannery, or are you looking
for recipes using these specific beans? [5, 7, 17]
[1]
[https://en.wikipedia.org](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc)
[2] [https://en.wikipedia.org](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Joan_of_Arc) [3]
[https://en.wiktionary.org](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc)
[4] [https://www.gettyimages.com](https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/joan-of-arc-1412-1431-aka-jeanne-darc-or-jeanne-la-pucelle-news-photo/113627903)
[5] [https://fishergenes.com](https://fishergenes.com/showmedia.php?mediaID=3856) [6] [https://www.amazon.com](https://www.amazon.com/Joan-Arc-Spicy-Chili-Beans/dp/B01M2C3AKF)
[7] [https://www.prnewswire.com](https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/teasdale-quality-foods-acquires-hoopeston-foods-168814426.html)
[8] [https://cityofhoopeston.com](https://cityofhoopeston.com/history/)
[9] [https://www.ebay.com](https://www.ebay.com/itm/157095664980)
[10]
[https://bgfoods.com](https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/)
[11] [https://www.amazon.com](https://www.amazon.com/Joan-Light-Kidney-Beans-Ounce/dp/B0029JYP6A)
[12] [https://www.maidofheaven.com](http://www.maidofheaven.com/joanofarc_jeannedarc_jehannedarc.asp)
[13] [https://www.quora.com](https://www.quora.com/Why-do-English-people-call-Jann-dArc-Joan-of-Arc)
[14] [https://en.wikipedia.org](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Joan_of_Arc) [15] [https://www.reddit.com](https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryMemes/comments/1b1jfnf/joan_of_arc_had_a_rabbit_hole_of_a_name/)
[16] [https://www.history.com](https://www.history.com/articles/7-surprising-facts-about-joan-of-arc)
[17] [https://bgfoods.com](https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/product/great-northern-beans/)
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