In a political context, how far is 'far'? Is it just hyperbole?
At what point does 'the right' become 'the far right'?
Ditto 'the left'.
Le 16/05/2026 a 12:34, Sn!pe a ocrit :
In a political context, how far is 'far'? Is it just hyperbole?
At what point does 'the right' become 'the far right'?
Ditto 'the left'.
All I know is it's a spectrum, ranging from ultra-violent to infra-dig.
In a political context, how far is 'far'? Is it just hyperbole?
At what point does 'the right' become 'the far right'?
Ditto 'the left'.
In a political context, how far is 'far'? Is it just hyperbole?
At what point does 'the right' become 'the far right'?
Ditto 'the left'.
On Sat, 16 May 2026 17:02:41 +0100, Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 16/05/2026 |a 12:34, Sn!pe a |-crit :
In a political context, how far is 'far'? Is it just hyperbole?
At what point does 'the right' become 'the far right'?
Ditto 'the left'.
All I know is it's a spectrum, ranging from ultra-violent to infra-dig.
My observation is that a person is described as "right wing" by a
another person who agrees with "right wing" positions. That same
person is described as being "far right" by a person who does not
agree with "right wing" positions.
The difference between "right" and "far right" depends on the
describer's view of the acceptability of "right wing" positions.
Pride in minor imperial skirmishes like this, to the point that an inscription on a monument central to a town goes up, is something
very foreign to most modern western societies. Worth keeping in mind
if yourCOre reading something from Britain in the late nineteenth
century, or presumably from Japan in 1930, that the degrees of
left-wing vs right-wing will be very different to today.
In a political context, how far is 'far'? Is it just hyperbole?
At what point does 'the right' become 'the far right'?
Ditto 'the left'.
In a political context, how far is 'far'? Is it just hyperbole?
At what point does 'the right' become 'the far right'? Ditto 'the
left'.
In a political context, how far is 'far'? Is it just hyperbole?
At what point does 'the right' become 'the far right'?
Ditto 'the left'.
Depending on where the centre is, it's whatever is farther from it.
Some commentary I saw on the recent UK election said that both the left
and the right gained voters, and Labour lost them. That seems to suggest
that Labour is a centrist party.
I find it had to believe that a party whose leader is a "Sir" can be centrist. Such titles are reserved for the wealthy.
On 17/05/26 08:37, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
Pride in minor imperial skirmishes like this, to the point that an inscription on a monument central to a town goes up, is something
very foreign to most modern western societies. Worth keeping in mind
if yourCOre reading something from Britain in the late nineteenth
century, or presumably from Japan in 1930, that the degrees of
left-wing vs right-wing will be very different to today.
I was once at a conference in Torino, and I was struck by the fact that
the city had a statue at practically every street corner.
reading some of the inscriptions, and my overall impression was that
these statues commemorated events that everyone (except maybe the
locals) had forgotten by now.
Many of the conference sessions were held in a place called "La sala
della cinquecento". (Please forgive any spelling errors; I'm doing this
from memory.) I kept expecting to hear an explanation of how the
glorious five hundred defended the city from an invader, but no
explanation was forthcoming.
It wasn't until the last day of the conference that I thought to count
the seats.
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> posted:
On 17/05/26 08:37, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
Pride in minor imperial skirmishes like this, to the point that an inscription on a monument central to a town goes up, is something
very foreign to most modern western societies. Worth keeping in mind
if you're reading something from Britain in the late nineteenth
century, or presumably from Japan in 1930, that the degrees of
left-wing vs right-wing will be very different to today.
I was once at a conference in Torino, and I was struck by the fact that
the city had a statue at practically every street corner.
When I went to a conference in Torino I was struck by how little it resembled any other Italian city I had seen.
Den 17.05.2026 kl. 09.29 skrev Peter Moylan:
I find it had to believe that a party whose leader is a "Sir" can be
centrist. Such titles are reserved for the wealthy.
I'd like to know how many Sirs there are in the UK Parliament.
On 17/05/26 08:37, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
Pride in minor imperial skirmishes like this, to the point that an
inscription on a monument central to a town goes up, is something
very foreign to most modern western societies. Worth keeping in mind
if yourCOre reading something from Britain in the late nineteenth
century, or presumably from Japan in 1930, that the degrees of
left-wing vs right-wing will be very different to today.
I was once at a conference in Torino, and I was struck by the fact that
the city had a statue at practically every street corner. I tried
reading some of the inscriptions, and my overall impression was that
these statues commemorated events that everyone (except maybe the
locals) had forgotten by now.
Many of the conference sessions were held in a place called "La sala
della cinquecento". (Please forgive any spelling errors; I'm doing this
from memory.) I kept expecting to hear an explanation of how the
glorious five hundred defended the city from an invader, but no
explanation was forthcoming.
It wasn't until the last day of the conference that I thought to count
the seats.
Some commentary I saw on the recent UK election said that both the left
and the right gained voters, and Labour lost them. That seems to suggest
that Labour is a centrist party.
I find it had to believe that a party whose leader is a "Sir" can be >centrist. Such titles are reserved for the wealthy.
Peter Moylan hat am 17.05.2026 um 01:44 geschrieben:
On 17/05/26 08:37, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
Pride in minor imperial skirmishes like this, to the point that an
inscription on a monument central to a town goes up, is something
very foreign to most modern western societies. Worth keeping in mind
if yourCOre reading something from Britain in the late nineteenth
century, or presumably from Japan in 1930, that the degrees of
left-wing vs right-wing will be very different to today.
I was once at a conference in Torino, and I was struck by the fact that
the city had a statue at practically every street corner. I tried
reading some of the inscriptions, and my overall impression was that
these statues commemorated events that everyone (except maybe the
locals) had forgotten by now.
Many of the conference sessions were held in a place called "La sala
della cinquecento". (Please forgive any spelling errors; I'm doing this from memory.) I kept expecting to hear an explanation of how the
glorious five hundred defended the city from an invader, but no
explanation was forthcoming.
It wasn't until the last day of the conference that I thought to count
the seats.
If that room had 500 seats or more, it must be "la sala dei 500".
The article is important in this context. Before you mentioned that you counted the seats, I thought the name referred to <https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_Nuova_500>, the first car I sat in
as a small child. The more so because we're talking about a room in
Turin, the seat of FIAT.
Peter Moylan hat am 17.05.2026 um 01:44 geschrieben:
On 17/05/26 08:37, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
Pride in minor imperial skirmishes like this, to the point that an
inscription on a monument central to a town goes up, is something
very foreign to most modern western societies. Worth keeping in mind
if you're reading something from Britain in the late nineteenth
century, or presumably from Japan in 1930, that the degrees of
left-wing vs right-wing will be very different to today.
I was once at a conference in Torino, and I was struck by the fact that
the city had a statue at practically every street corner. I tried
reading some of the inscriptions, and my overall impression was that
these statues commemorated events that everyone (except maybe the
locals) had forgotten by now.
Many of the conference sessions were held in a place called "La sala
della cinquecento". (Please forgive any spelling errors; I'm doing this from memory.) I kept expecting to hear an explanation of how the
glorious five hundred defended the city from an invader, but no
explanation was forthcoming.
It wasn't until the last day of the conference that I thought to count
the seats.
If that room had 500 seats or more, it must be "la sala dei 500".
The article is important in this context. Before you mentioned that you counted the seats, I thought the name referred to <https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_Nuova_500>, the first car I sat in
as a small child. The more so because we're talking about a room in
Turin, the seat of FIAT.
On 16/05/26 21:34, Sn!pe wrote:
In a political context, how far is 'far'? Is it just hyperbole?
At what point does 'the right' become 'the far right'? Ditto 'the
left'.
Some commentary I saw on the recent UK election said that both the left
and the right gained voters, and Labour lost them. That seems to suggest
that Labour is a centrist party.
I find it had to believe that a party whose leader is a "Sir" can be >centrist. Such titles are reserved for the wealthy.
I think in the UK the Lib-dems are the centrist party. On the right
are the Conservatives and Labour (Tweedledum and Tweedledee)
and on the far Right is Reform.
On the Left are the Green Party and Your Party, and on the far Left
the Communist Party and probably a few smaller groups with the last
name "Tendency".
New Labour, Blair's party, was further to the right than the Tories
In article <1rv9jz6.fhweta1l50ufoN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>,
Sn!pe <snipeco.1@gmail.com> wrote:
New Labour, Blair's party, was further to the right than the Tories
How do you make that out? Can you give an example of a policy they
had that was to the right of the Tories'?
-- Richard
I think in the UK the Lib-dems are the centrist party. On the right
are the Conservatives and Labour (Tweedledum and Tweedledee) and on
the far Right is Reform.
On the Left are the Green Party and Your Party, and on the far Left
the Communist Party and probably a few smaller groups with the last
name "Tendency".
I'm not sure about the regional parties, SNP, Plaid Cymru et al.
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
[...]
I think in the UK the Lib-dems are the centrist party. On the right
are the Conservatives and Labour (Tweedledum and Tweedledee)
and on the far Right is Reform.
New Labour, Blair's party, was further to the right than the Tories
but you can hardly say that of Labour today, which seems to be
yearning for the leftist politics of days gone by. You certainly cannot
call the likes of Angela Rayner rightward leaning.
While I agree that Reform is further to the right than the Tories,
I wouldn't call them far right; that slur should be reserved for the
likes of Tommy Robinson and his ilk in the British National Party
or the English Defence League.
To me, the 'far right' and 'far left' are those who advocate civil
disorder as a tool of policy.
On the Left are the Green Party and Your Party, and on the far Left
the Communist Party and probably a few smaller groups with the last
name "Tendency".
Agreed. Where do you place Islamist politics in this spectrum?
In article <1rv9jz6.fhweta1l50ufoN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>,
Sn!pe <snipeco.1@gmail.com> wrote:
New Labour, Blair's party, was further to the right than the Tories
How do you make that out? Can you give an example of a policy they
had that was to the right of the Tories'?
On the left we have the Greens and not much else. There's a Socialist Alliance party, but it's never won a seat. The three communist parties
have almost sunk into oblivion.
Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> posted:
Peter Moylan hat am 17.05.2026 um 01:44 geschrieben:
On 17/05/26 08:37, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
Pride in minor imperial skirmishes like this, to the point that an
inscription on a monument central to a town goes up, is something
very foreign to most modern western societies. Worth keeping in mind
if yourCOre reading something from Britain in the late nineteenth
century, or presumably from Japan in 1930, that the degrees of
left-wing vs right-wing will be very different to today.
I was once at a conference in Torino, and I was struck by the fact that
the city had a statue at practically every street corner. I tried
reading some of the inscriptions, and my overall impression was that
these statues commemorated events that everyone (except maybe the
locals) had forgotten by now.
Many of the conference sessions were held in a place called "La sala
della cinquecento". (Please forgive any spelling errors; I'm doing this
from memory.) I kept expecting to hear an explanation of how the
glorious five hundred defended the city from an invader, but no
explanation was forthcoming.
It wasn't until the last day of the conference that I thought to count
the seats.
If that room had 500 seats or more, it must be "la sala dei 500".
The article is important in this context. Before you mentioned that you
counted the seats, I thought the name referred to
<https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_Nuova_500>, the first car I sat in
as a small child. The more so because we're talking about a room in
Turin, the seat of FIAT.
Interesting that you, an Italian, call it by its French and English name, whereas
Peter, an Australian, used the Italian name. (If I had been starting the thread myself I would have called it Turin.)
athel.cb@gmail.com hat am 17.05.2026 um 16:15 geschrieben:
Interesting that you, an Italian, call it by its French and English
name, whereas Peter, an Australian, used the Italian name. (If I
had been starting the thread myself I would have called it Turin.)
I found Peter's choice strange, too. Which language are we using here
in AUE? It's Torino, of course, when you write in Italian. People
writing in English, French and German will normally write Turin and
pronounce it in three rather different ways. Tur|!n in Spanish and
Turyn in Polish. For more variants, you can go to <https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torino>, click on "153 lingue" and
move the arrow to the language you want.
On 18/05/26 17:01, Silvano wrote:
athel.cb@gmail.com hat am 17.05.2026 um 16:15 geschrieben:
Interesting that you, an Italian, call it by its French and English
name, whereas Peter, an Australian, used the Italian name. (If I
had been starting the thread myself I would have called it Turin.)
I found Peter's choice strange, too. Which language are we using here
in AUE? It's Torino, of course, when you write in Italian. People
writing in English, French and German will normally write Turin and pronounce it in three rather different ways. Tur|!n in Spanish and
Turyn in Polish. For more variants, you can go to <https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torino>, click on "153 lingue" and
move the arrow to the language you want.
I tend to wander back and forth between the names, with no real pattern. Except in the case of Turkey, for which I use the English name most of
the time.
On the change scale, no. On the authoritarian/libertarian scale, yes.
Under Blair they wanted to intoduce detention without trial, and the
UK media acclaimed that as "the moral high ground" -- see here:
On 16/05/26 21:34, Sn!pe wrote:
In a political context, how far is 'far'? Is it just hyperbole?
At what point does 'the right' become 'the far right'? Ditto 'the
left'.
Some commentary I saw on the recent UK election said that both the left
and the right gained voters,
that Labour is a centrist party
I find it had to believe that a party whose leader is a "Sir" can be centrist. Such titles are reserved for the wealthy.
Den 17.05.2026 kl. 09.29 skrev Peter Moylan:
Some commentary I saw on the recent UK election said that both the left
and the right gained voters, and Labour lost them. That seems to suggest that Labour is a centrist party.
Or maybe that left-center-right hasn't got the importance it used to
have? Maybe people react on specific causes.
I find it had to believe that a party whose leader is a "Sir" can be centrist. Such titles are reserved for the wealthy.
I'd like to know how many Sirs there are in the UK Parliament.
In article <10ubsus$1h2vb$3@dont-email.me>, rundtosset@lundhansen.dk
says...
Den 17.05.2026 kl. 09.29 skrev Peter Moylan:
Some commentary I saw on the recent UK election said that both the left
and the right gained voters, and Labour lost them. That seems to suggest >>> that Labour is a centrist party.
Or maybe that left-center-right hasn't got the importance it used to
have? Maybe people react on specific causes.
I find it had to believe that a party whose leader is a "Sir" can be
centrist. Such titles are reserved for the wealthy.
I'd like to know how many Sirs there are in the UK Parliament.
Sir Keir Starmer (Prime Minister)
Sir Lindsay Hoyle (Speaker of the House of Commons)
Sir Alan Campbell
Sir Chris Bryant
Sir Bill Cash
Sir Roger Gale
Sir Jeremy Hunt
Sir Julian Lewis
Sir Andrew Mitchell
Sir Alec Shelbrooke
Sir Desmond Swayne
Sir Mark Tami
Sir Stephen Timms
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