On Sun, 3 May 2026 07:32:30 +0100
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 01/05/2026 a 20:26, Sam Plusnet a ocrit :Doh!
On 01/05/2026 08:07, Hibou wrote:
<Smile> I passed through Kings Cross a fortnight ago (and Euston and
St Pancras).
A tiring journey no doubt - but it might score well in a game of
Mornington Crescent.>
It does sound as if I hadn't a clue.
Do you have a monopoly on station names?
P.S. I've never taken a train to/from Fenchurch St; but I did once walk
there to stare at a wall.
With a quizzical look, Richard Tobin observed:
In article <mn.14237ea582d4e707.127094@snitoo>,
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
[...] the 1969 Moon landing was faked, etc. Nothing is proven.
Laser ranging reflectors.
There are Russian retroreflectors on the moon.
-- Richard
Not at the Apollo sites.
But what would be the Soviet reason for not calling the US on the scam?
In article <1778141448-12588@newsgrouper.org>,
athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> posted:
London Bridge - I'll leave that one as an exercise (along with GlasgowDo they have a railway in Lake Havasu City?
Central).
Nope. The nearest station is Needles, where the Southwest Chief stops
three times a week (or maybe it's up to daily now), about 40 miles
away. Lake Havasu itself didn't exist when the railroads were being
built across the desert.
-GAWollman
Le 06/05/2026 |a 09:33, J. J. Lodder a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
I hadn't thought of that. Apparently, 'terminus' just means 'end', and I >>> suppose it's all right to start from one end.
They just had to find a name for that hotel there,
The Terminal Hotel? Isn't that in Switzerland? No? The Premier Inn,
King's Cross, then?
'How did LondonrCOs main line stations get their names?' - <https://www.onlondon.co.uk/jonn-elledge-how-did-londons-main-line- stations-get-their-names/>
King's Cross - named after a monument to George IV.
Euston - named after a house owned by the Duke of Grafton, who owned
land the station is built on.
Victoria - named after the street named after Queen V..
Waterloo - named after a town in Belgium, made famous by the British.
London Bridge - I'll leave that one as an exercise (along with Glasgow Central).
In article <1778141448-12588@newsgrouper.org>,
athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> posted:
London Bridge - I'll leave that one as an exercise (along with GlasgowDo they have a railway in Lake Havasu City?
Central).
Nope. The nearest station is Needles, where the Southwest Chief stops
three times a week (or maybe it's up to daily now), about 40 miles
away. Lake Havasu itself didn't exist when the railroads were being
built across the desert.
P.S. I've never taken a train to/from Fenchurch St; but I did once walk
there to stare at a wall.
Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
[...]
AIR, she was known for fondness of the booze and horse-racing. MaybeI think that's right. King George VI was alive for the first eight (almost >>>> nine) years of my life, and I can more or less remember his reign. MyElizabeth Bowes-Lyon, the mother of Queen Elizabeth II, was invariably
impression is that Elizabeth II's mother was referred to as "the queen". >>>
known as 'The Queen Mother' after 1952.
because I sought refuge from the Thatcherite rampage in "Spitting
Image".
Rumour has it that when she turned her toes up she owed Will Hill's -u3m.
I think she's best remembered for her regal wave and her flowery hats.
Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
[...]
P.S. I've never taken a train to/from Fenchurch St; but I did once walk there to stare at a wall.
Was this any particular wall or is that just your normal behaviour?
[...] the 1969 Moon landing was faked, etc. Nothing is proven.
Laser ranging reflectors.
There are Russian retroreflectors on the moon.
Not at the Apollo sites.
On 06/05/26 18:33, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 05/05/2026 |a 19:40, Sam Plusnet a |-crit :
On 05/05/2026 13:07, Hibou wrote:
I went to London for a few days, and made a couple of local
journeys that happened to start from termini. The railcard had
a workout.
Starting from a terminus seems very wrong.
I hadn't thought of that. Apparently, 'terminus' just means 'end',
and I suppose it's all right to start from one end.
They just had to find a name for that hotel there,
There is a Terminus Hotel in Sydney that is nowhere near the railway
terminus at Central Station. I've just looked up the history. Apparently
the hotel had had several names, but was renamed the Terminus Hotel in
1900 to take advantage of the end of a newly built tram line
On 07/05/2026 10:01, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 06/05/26 18:33, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 05/05/2026 |a 19:40, Sam Plusnet a |-crit :
On 05/05/2026 13:07, Hibou wrote:
I went to London for a few days, and made a couple of local
journeys that happened to start from termini. The railcard had
a workout.
Starting from a terminus seems very wrong.
I hadn't thought of that. Apparently, 'terminus' just means 'end',
and I suppose it's all right to start from one end.
They just had to find a name for that hotel there,
There is a Terminus Hotel in Sydney that is nowhere near the railway terminus at Central Station. I've just looked up the history. Apparently the hotel had had several names, but was renamed the Terminus Hotel in
1900 to take advantage of the end of a newly built tram line
There is a Caf|- Terminus near where I live. In the 1930s it was
apparently where the electrified tram line terminated in the East of the city. The (first generation) tram line was discontinued in 1964, but
the cafe survives to this day.
occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
On 29/04/2026 11:16, J. J. Lodder wrote:
occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
[-]
The issue wasn't so much about aristocracy but about Camilla being
previously married/divorced. Charles' uncle (Edward) had to abdicate
under similar conditions, when he had to chose between Mrs. Simpson and >>>> the Kingdom.
They wanted to get rid of him anyway,
for being too much of a Nazi sympathiser,
Hmm... that sympathy came to light later. At the time, had he agreed to
ditch the bitch, he would have been made King without hesitation.
Eh? He already was king.
He was made to abdicate.
As for 'Nazi-sympathiser', that is merely a matter of terminology.
He was obviously very sympathetic to Germany, too much so,
according to many in Britain.
Given the regime in power there at the time that made him a
Nazi-sympathiser, even without sticking on that label explicitly,
On 29/04/2026 22:38, J. J. Lodder wrote:
occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
On 29/04/2026 11:16, J. J. Lodder wrote:
occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
[-]
The issue wasn't so much about aristocracy but about Camilla being
previously married/divorced. Charles' uncle (Edward) had to abdicate >>>> under similar conditions, when he had to chose between Mrs. Simpson and >>>> the Kingdom.
They wanted to get rid of him anyway,
for being too much of a Nazi sympathiser,
Hmm... that sympathy came to light later. At the time, had he agreed to >> ditch the bitch, he would have been made King without hesitation.
Eh? He already was king.
There was no coronation. He succeeded to the throne (by default) but
was tripped by Wallis Simpson.
He was made to abdicate.
It was his choice.
As for 'Nazi-sympathiser', that is merely a matter of terminology.
He was obviously very sympathetic to Germany, too much so,
according to many in Britain.
Yes. This was held against him when he tried to make a comeback as a
working Royal.
Given the regime in power there at the time that made him a Nazi-sympathiser, even without sticking on that label explicitly,
His sympathies were known to members of his family.
There is
photographic evidence that he visited Nazi Germany and met some high
ranking Nazis.
The speculation was that he wanted to regain some status
- in the event of Germany winning the war.
On 29/04/2026 22:38, J. J. Lodder wrote:
occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
On 29/04/2026 11:16, J. J. Lodder wrote:
occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
[-]
The issue wasn't so much about aristocracy but about Camilla being
previously married/divorced. Charles' uncle (Edward) had to abdicate >>>>> under similar conditions, when he had to chose between Mrs. Simpson and >>>>> the Kingdom.
They wanted to get rid of him anyway,
for being too much of a Nazi sympathiser,
Hmm... that sympathy came to light later. At the time, had he agreed to >>> ditch the bitch, he would have been made King without hesitation.
Eh? He already was king.
There was no coronation. He succeeded to the throne (by default) but
was tripped by Wallis Simpson.
He was made to abdicate.
It was his choice.
As for 'Nazi-sympathiser', that is merely a matter of terminology.
He was obviously very sympathetic to Germany, too much so,
according to many in Britain.
Yes. This was held against him when he tried to make a comeback as a
working Royal.
Given the regime in power there at the time that made him a
Nazi-sympathiser, even without sticking on that label explicitly,
His sympathies were known to members of his family. There is
photographic evidence that he visited Nazi Germany and met some high
ranking Nazis. The speculation was that he wanted to regain some status
- in the event of Germany winning the war.
In article <mn.3a6f7ea51baad98f.127094@snitoo>,
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
[...] the 1969 Moon landing was faked, etc. Nothing is proven.
Laser ranging reflectors.
There are Russian retroreflectors on the moon.
Not at the Apollo sites.
The point is that the Russian retroreflectors demonstrate that that
the ones at the Apollo sites could have been placed there without a
manned landing.
-- Richard
The tramway companies sometimes built cafos and other attractions at
the outer ends of their lines so as to increase trade. There was one
at the Rainbow Wood tram terminus near Bath, so people could catch a
tram 'out to the countryside' and go for a walk in the woods, then
have tea and sandwiches before returning home.
On 10/05/26 01:42, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
The tramway companies sometimes built cafos and other attractions at
the outer ends of their lines so as to increase trade. There was one
at the Rainbow Wood tram terminus near Bath, so people could catch a
tram 'out to the countryside' and go for a walk in the woods, then
have tea and sandwiches before returning home.
Apparently it was once the custom in Newcastle (NSW) to take a Sunday
trip on the tram out to the countryside. At its greatest extent the line
was 25 km long. The tram service closed in 1930.
On 10/05/26 01:42, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
The tramway companies sometimes built cafos and other attractions at
the outer ends of their lines so as to increase trade. There was one
at the Rainbow Wood tram terminus near Bath, so people could catch a
tram 'out to the countryside' and go for a walk in the woods, then
have tea and sandwiches before returning home.
Apparently it was once the custom in Newcastle (NSW) to take a Sunday
trip on the tram out to the countryside. At its greatest extent the line
was 25 km long. The tram service closed in 1930.
One of those small towns was Greenwood, Indiana. They liked Greenwood
so much that's where they eventually got married. Greenwood, today,
is about a half-hour to forty-five minute drive from Indianapolis, but
in those days it was considered to be quite a bit out of town.
On 10/05/26 01:42, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
The tramway companies sometimes built cafos and other attractions at
the outer ends of their lines so as to increase trade. There was one
Apparently it was once the custom in Newcastle (NSW) to take a Sunday
trip on the tram out to the countryside. At its greatest extent the line
was 25 km long. The tram service closed in 1930.
On Sat, 09 May 2026 20:32:54 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
One of those small towns was Greenwood, Indiana. They liked Greenwood
so much that's where they eventually got married. Greenwood, today,
is about a half-hour to forty-five minute drive from Indianapolis, but
in those days it was considered to be quite a bit out of town.
I would regard a 45-minute drive as "quite a bit" out of town,
assuming that one was driving out of town and not into it.
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
On 10/05/26 01:42, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
The tramway companies sometimes built cafos and other attractions at
the outer ends of their lines so as to increase trade. There was one
at the Rainbow Wood tram terminus near Bath, so people could catch a
tram 'out to the countryside' and go for a walk in the woods, then
have tea and sandwiches before returning home.
Apparently it was once the custom in Newcastle (NSW) to take a Sunday
trip on the tram out to the countryside. At its greatest extent the line was 25 km long. The tram service closed in 1930.
As a child in short trousers in ~1955, I once the rode the Blackpool
seafront tram all the way to the terminus at Fleetwood and back.
Pleasingly, the seat backs of the transverse benches could pivot at
the base so that when the tram reversed, you could still sit facing
forward.
\ <--seat back
\
\----- <-- seat base
\
o <-- pivot
My mum told a tale of London trams before WWII: apparently the seats
were made of flat wooden boards. If she was wearing silk knickers and
a silk petticoat, the motion of the tram would make her slide about on
her bottom.
--
^-^. Sn!pe, bird-brain. My pet rock Gordon just is.
Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
[...]
P.S. I've never taken a train to/from Fenchurch St; but I did once walk there to stare at a wall.
Was this any particular wall or is that just your normal behaviour?
On Fri, 8 May 2026 09:50:33 +0100
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:I'm not a member of a wall-staring club. My speciality is spotting train-spotters.
[...]
P.S. I've never taken a train to/from Fenchurch St; but I did once walk
there to stare at a wall.
Was this any particular wall or is that just your normal behaviour?
It was a bit of the old town wall. Possibly the lowest bits were Roman. It was mostly just somewhere to go whilst awaiting erm something (possibly a hospital trip for my SO). Maybe she was inspired/traumatised by a monopoly board as a child.
Visiting Roman (bits of) walls in Britain is a perfectly respectable >pastime. I haven't looked, but there are probably clubs dedicated to
this activity.
On 10/05/2026 08:42, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Fri, 8 May 2026 09:50:33 +0100
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:I'm not a member of a wall-staring club. My speciality is spotting train-spotters.
[...]
P.S. I've never taken a train to/from Fenchurch St; but I did once walk >>> there to stare at a wall.
Was this any particular wall or is that just your normal behaviour?
It was a bit of the old town wall. Possibly the lowest bits were Roman. It was mostly just somewhere to go whilst awaiting erm something (possibly a hospital trip for my SO). Maybe she was inspired/traumatised by a monopoly board as a child.
Visiting Roman (bits of) walls in Britain is a perfectly respectable pastime. I haven't looked, but there are probably clubs dedicated to
this activity.
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 10/05/2026 08:42, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Fri, 8 May 2026 09:50:33 +0100Visiting Roman (bits of) walls in Britain is a perfectly respectable
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:I'm not a member of a wall-staring club. My speciality is spotting
[...]
P.S. I've never taken a train to/from Fenchurch St; but I did once walk >>>>> there to stare at a wall.
Was this any particular wall or is that just your normal behaviour?
train-spotters.
It was a bit of the old town wall. Possibly the lowest bits were Roman. It >>> was mostly just somewhere to go whilst awaiting erm something (possibly a >>> hospital trip for my SO). Maybe she was inspired/traumatised by a monopoly >>> board as a child.
pastime. I haven't looked, but there are probably clubs dedicated to
this activity.
There are marked Roman Limes Trails that you can walk.
Unfortunately most of the Limes along the trail is missing,
In article <im4MR.29$z8a.3@fx09.ams1>, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com>
wrote:
Visiting Roman (bits of) walls in Britain is a perfectly
respectable pastime. I haven't looked, but there are probably
clubs dedicated to this activity.
Not something we have an opportunity to do on this side of the
Atlantic, although there are a few parks that center the material
culture of the original inhabitants. (Unfortunately not much has
survived in the east.)
I once belonged to a club of people who collected radio-station
bumper stickers and other ephemera. I have a whole box of that
stuff somewhere.
Between 1995 and about 2012 I drove all around North America trying
to see every licensed broadcast station (studio and transmitter), of
which there were about 17,000. (There are more now, but in fewer
physical locations.) Mostly I did this with friends but sometimes I
took a road trip on my own in some part of the country I hadn't seen
before. The self-guided collapse of the industry and the loss of
many of the most interesting historic facilities took the fun out of
it for me, and I stopped, although I still know where all the local
ones are even if I don't listen much any more.
I can approve of a hobby that gets you visiting places you wouldn't
otherwise see. My genealogy research did something similar for me.
It recently occurred to me that I, and many others, have changed in that >respect. In the past I probably visited all the small towns within a 100
km radius of Newcastle, and a fair few places elsewhere in the country.
Now, after a gradual improvement in the road network, I do most of my >travelling on freeways and major highways. The little towns on the back
roads are fading from my consciousness.
I can approve of a hobby that gets you visiting places you wouldn't
otherwise see. My genealogy research did something similar for me.
It recently occurred to me that I, and many others, have changed in that respect. In the past I probably visited all the small towns within a 100
km radius of Newcastle, and a fair few places elsewhere in the country.
Now, after a gradual improvement in the road network, I do most of my travelling on freeways and major highways. The little towns on the back
roads are fading from my consciousness.
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> posted:
[ ... ]
I can approve of a hobby that gets you visiting places you wouldn't
otherwise see. My genealogy research did something similar for me.
It recently occurred to me that I, and many others, have changed in that
respect. In the past I probably visited all the small towns within a 100
km radius of Newcastle, and a fair few places elsewhere in the country.
Now, after a gradual improvement in the road network, I do most of my
travelling on freeways and major highways. The little towns on the back
roads are fading from my consciousness.
On 10/05/2026 21:05, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 10/05/2026 08:42, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Fri, 8 May 2026 09:50:33 +0100Visiting Roman (bits of) walls in Britain is a perfectly respectable
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:I'm not a member of a wall-staring club. My speciality is spotting
[...]
P.S. I've never taken a train to/from Fenchurch St; but I did once walk >>>>> there to stare at a wall.
Was this any particular wall or is that just your normal behaviour?
train-spotters.
It was a bit of the old town wall. Possibly the lowest bits were Roman. It
was mostly just somewhere to go whilst awaiting erm something (possibly a >>> hospital trip for my SO). Maybe she was inspired/traumatised by a monopoly
board as a child.
pastime. I haven't looked, but there are probably clubs dedicated to
this activity.
There are marked Roman Limes Trails that you can walk.
Unfortunately most of the Limes along the trail is missing,
In Britain I suppose both Hadrian's and the Antonine Walls would count
as Limes.
Both are popular walking routes.
(Well, not popular with me you understand, but there are some who enjoy
that sort of thing.)
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 10/05/2026 21:05, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 10/05/2026 08:42, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Fri, 8 May 2026 09:50:33 +0100Visiting Roman (bits of) walls in Britain is a perfectly respectable
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:I'm not a member of a wall-staring club. My speciality is spotting
[...]
P.S. I've never taken a train to/from Fenchurch St; but I did once walk >>>>>>> there to stare at a wall.
Was this any particular wall or is that just your normal behaviour? >>>>>>
train-spotters.
It was a bit of the old town wall. Possibly the lowest bits were Roman. It
was mostly just somewhere to go whilst awaiting erm something (possibly a >>>>> hospital trip for my SO). Maybe she was inspired/traumatised by a monopoly
board as a child.
pastime. I haven't looked, but there are probably clubs dedicated to
this activity.
There are marked Roman Limes Trails that you can walk.
Unfortunately most of the Limes along the trail is missing,
In Britain I suppose both Hadrian's and the Antonine Walls would count
as Limes.
Both are popular walking routes.
(Well, not popular with me you understand, but there are some who enjoy
that sort of thing.)
'Limes' is often used with the restricted meaning
of just the heavily fortified part from Rhine to Danube,
but it is also used for the entire outer border of the Roman Empire.
In the news here some time ago: A Briton who was determined
to travel the whole Limes, from the Irish to the Black Sea,
on a small Roman-sized horse. [1]
He also gave lectures on it in some of the towns he passed through,
Jan
[1] He said he intended to go on to Egypt, if possible.
On 11/05/2026 19:33, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:Poor horse.
On 10/05/2026 21:05, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 10/05/2026 08:42, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Fri, 8 May 2026 09:50:33 +0100Visiting Roman (bits of) walls in Britain is a perfectly respectable >>>>> pastime. I haven't looked, but there are probably clubs dedicated to >>>>> this activity.
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:I'm not a member of a wall-staring club. My speciality is spotting >>>>>> train-spotters.
[...]
P.S. I've never taken a train to/from Fenchurch St; but I did once >>>>>>>> walk
there to stare at a wall.
Was this any particular wall or is that just your normal behaviour? >>>>>>>
It was a bit of the old town wall. Possibly the lowest bits were Roman. >>>>>> It
was mostly just somewhere to go whilst awaiting erm something (possibly >>>>>> a
hospital trip for my SO). Maybe she was inspired/traumatised by a >>>>>> monopoly
board as a child.
There are marked Roman Limes Trails that you can walk.
Unfortunately most of the Limes along the trail is missing,
In Britain I suppose both Hadrian's and the Antonine Walls would count
as Limes.
Both are popular walking routes.
(Well, not popular with me you understand, but there are some who enjoy
that sort of thing.)
'Limes' is often used with the restricted meaning
of just the heavily fortified part from Rhine to Danube,
but it is also used for the entire outer border of the Roman Empire.
In the news here some time ago: A Briton who was determined
to travel the whole Limes, from the Irish to the Black Sea,
on a small Roman-sized horse. [1]
He also gave lectures on it in some of the towns he passed through,
Jan
[1] He said he intended to go on to Egypt, if possible.
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