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Op 6-2-2019 om 07:01 schreef Daniel60:

Wouter Valentijn wrote on 6/02/2019 5:54 AM:

Op 5-2-2019 om 11:24 schreef Daniel60:

I'm working my way (again) through my ST:TOS DVD's and today I
watched Series One, Disc Three, which included "The Menagerie Pts 1 &
2".

As I understand it, this double episode was written to fill in time
whilst a writers strike was on, so Gene Roddenbury took an
un-televised Pilot Episode (The Cage), through in some "filler"
stuff, and .... hey, presto, made two Episodes, to cover the strike!!

Early on in "The Cage" video, Capt. Pike states that they had come
from the other side of the Galaxy to be there.

"the other side of the Galaxy"?? So does that mean Talos 4 is in the
Delta Quadrant?? Did The Enterprise, deliberately, beat Voyager, who
got there accidentally??

When they made Voyager they ignored the speeds the TOS Enterprise
could achieve.
Kirk would have made it back home a lot sooner.

Remember "That Which Survives"?

http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/69.htm

990.7 light-years in 11.733 hours at Warp 8.4.

Spock calculated that, correcting Rahda, who wasn't as precise as he
wanted her to be. :-)

To name an example.

That's about 84.44 light-years per hour.

Voyager had to cover a distance of 70,000 light-years.

For Kirk's ship that would take about 829 hours or less than 35 days.

Janeway more than 75 years at non cheating speeds.


Chap called Graham Kennedy made a great page about Warp speeds:

http://www.ditl.org/article-page.php?ArticleID=17

Hmm! Graham Kennedy!! A different one to one of Australia's greatest
early T.V. stars .... https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0448058/?ref_=nv_sr_1

Ah, I've probably seen him in 'The Killing Fields'.

I'm half remembering there was a change in the meaning of "Warp Speed" between ST:TOS and ST:TNG .... or was that just Stardate numbering (four digit to five digit)??

Yes and yes.

In theory in TOS they used the cubed formula. The Warp Factor to the
power of three. They never mentioned that in canon and it never was very clear. Speeds were at the convenience of plot and often way faster than 'officially' was possible.
For the 24th century they had some weird graph to describe the Warp
curve, with Warp 10 being equal to infinite speed.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warp_drive#Modified_warp_scale_%E2%80%93_The_Next_Generation,_Deep_Space_Nine_and_Voyager



They made a truly horrible episode on Voyager with that concept. Almost
like a plot of the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, except it wasn't funny.


Stardates do make a weird sense in the way that if you follow the
production order (and NOT the broadcast order) there is a clear sequence.
Come TNG the Stardates were a veiled manner of describing the sequence
of the episodes. Starting with 4 they referred to the 24th century and
the second number referred to the season. So if a Stardate started with
'43' you know it is set in the TNG era and you're in the third season.
Of course come DS9 season 5 and Voyager season 3 we got to Stardates
starting with '50', but that didn't refer to the 25th century. :-)
Highest Stardate of Voyager started with '54'. Relatively the 14th
season since TNG started. Logical of course. Voyager started when TNG
ended and both had 7 seasons.
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Wouter Valentijn wrote on 7/02/2019 6:33 AM:

Op 6-2-2019 om 07:01 schreef Daniel60:

Wouter Valentijn wrote on 6/02/2019 5:54 AM:

Op 5-2-2019 om 11:24 schreef Daniel60:

I'm working my way (again) through my ST:TOS DVD's and today I
watched Series One, Disc Three, which included "The Menagerie Pts 1
& 2".

As I understand it, this double episode was written to fill in time
whilst a writers strike was on, so Gene Roddenbury took an
un-televised Pilot Episode (The Cage), through in some "filler"
stuff, and .... hey, presto, made two Episodes, to cover the strike!!

Early on in "The Cage" video, Capt. Pike states that they had come
from the other side of the Galaxy to be there.

"the other side of the Galaxy"?? So does that mean Talos 4 is in the
Delta Quadrant?? Did The Enterprise, deliberately, beat Voyager, who
got there accidentally??

When they made Voyager they ignored the speeds the TOS Enterprise
could achieve.
Kirk would have made it back home a lot sooner.

Remember "That Which Survives"?

http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/69.htm

990.7 light-years in 11.733 hours at Warp 8.4.

Spock calculated that, correcting Rahda, who wasn't as precise as he
wanted her to be. :-)

To name an example.

That's about 84.44 light-years per hour.

Voyager had to cover a distance of 70,000 light-years.

For Kirk's ship that would take about 829 hours or less than 35 days.

Janeway more than 75 years at non cheating speeds.


Chap called Graham Kennedy made a great page about Warp speeds:

http://www.ditl.org/article-page.php?ArticleID=17

Hmm! Graham Kennedy!! A different one to one of Australia's greatest
early T.V. stars .... https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0448058/?ref_=nv_sr_1

Ah, I've probably seen him in 'The Killing Fields'.

A better, more meaningful, role, IMHO, is "The Odd Angry Shot", https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079652/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_10, A Vietnam War
film where an Australian Army section are tasked to take and hold a
bridge. After several section members are killed and wounded, they
receive orders to return to base ... the whole effort was for nought!!

I'm half remembering there was a change in the meaning of "Warp Speed"
between ST:TOS and ST:TNG .... or was that just Stardate numbering
(four digit to five digit)??

Yes and yes.

In theory in TOS they used the cubed formula. The Warp Factor to the
power of three. They never mentioned that in canon and it never was very clear. Speeds were at the convenience of plot and often way faster than 'officially' was possible.

Is Warp speed "officially possible yet?? ;-P

For the 24th century they had some weird graph to describe the Warp
curve, with Warp 10 being equal to infinite speed.

Until Tom exceeded Warp 10 in Voyager!! Being everywhere at once, I think!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warp_drive#Modified_warp_scale_%E2%80%93_The_Next_Generation,_Deep_Space_Nine_and_Voyager

They made a truly horrible episode on Voyager with that concept. Almost
like a plot of the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, except it wasn't funny.

Stardates do make a weird sense in the way that if you follow the
production order (and NOT the broadcast order) there is a clear sequence. Come TNG the Stardates were a veiled manner of describing the sequence
of the episodes. Starting with 4 they referred to the 24th century and
the second number referred to the season. So if a Stardate started with
'43' you know it is set in the TNG era and you're in the third season.
Of course come DS9 season 5 and Voyager season 3 we got to Stardates starting with '50', but that didn't refer to the 25th century. :-)
Highest Stardate of Voyager started with '54'. Relatively the 14th
season since TNG started. Logical of course. Voyager started when TNG
ended and both had 7 seasons.

With TOS, I seem to recall (or did I theorise) that the four digit,
decimal point, one digit (e.g. 3258.4) Star Dates represented time
with-in the five year mission, so, e.g., the 3 meant the third of five
years, the 258 meant the 258th day of that year and the .4 meant the
portion of the day i.e. 0.4 of 24hrs = 9hrs 36mins.

Or something like that!!

Didn't work for the five digit dates!!

(and, as I type this, Tasha has just died on ST:TNG!!)
--
Daniel
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