• OT SCOTUS rules on faithless electors.

    From theget@theget@bigmailbox.net to alt.tv.law-and-order on Mon Jul 6 13:21:31 2020
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    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/07/supreme-court-forces-presidential-electors-follow-state-law-200706172732772.html

    I haven't read the decision so I don't know what it means for states that want their electors to vote for the person who gets the national popular vote.
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  • From jack@johnrstobo@gmail.com to alt.tv.law-and-order on Mon Jul 6 17:08:16 2020
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    rCL I haven't read the decision so I don't know what it means for states that want their electors to vote for the person who gets the national popular vote. rCY
    It means the electors canrCOt go rogue.
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  • From theget@theget@bigmailbox.net to alt.tv.law-and-order on Mon Jul 6 18:00:48 2020
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    On Monday, July 6, 2020 at 8:08:17 PM UTC-4, jack wrote:
    rCL I haven't read the decision so I don't know what it means for states that want their electors to vote for the person who gets the national popular vote. rCY

    It means the electors canrCOt go rogue.
    But perhaps legislators can? Ignoring the will of the people of their state by making their electors vote for someone the people of the state didn't vote for?
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  • From jack@johnrstobo@gmail.com to alt.tv.law-and-order on Mon Jul 6 21:05:16 2020
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    Just read it.
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  • From theget@theget@bigmailbox.net to alt.tv.law-and-order on Mon Jul 6 21:58:34 2020
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    On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 12:05:17 AM UTC-4, jack wrote:
    Just read it.
    Best link I could find. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/19pdf/19-465_i425.pdf
    I found this: "Held: A State may enforce an electorrCOs pledge to support his partyrCOs nomineerCoand the state votersrCO choicerCofor President."
    However, "Contrary to the ElectorsrCO argument, Article IIrCOs use of the term rCLelectorsrCY and the Twelfth AmendmentrCOs requirement that the electors rCLvote,rCY and that they do so rCLby ballot,rCY do not establish that electors must have discretion."
    This seems odd to me. Why did the authors want electors if they simply echo what the people voted for?
    I skimmed the rest of it. I am not reassured. This seems to me that the court is setting some groundwork for what will essentially be a national democratic vote for president. I don't think this is consistent with a Union of States.
    I got a similar feeling looking at Ramos v. Louisiana where J. Gorsuch seems to be laying the groundwork for a future ruling that will require juries to consist of twelve members, an outcome I would like.
    But this decision makes me nervous even though it is seemingly narrow. https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/president-trump-reaffirms-his-long-standing-opposition-electoral-college-and-favors-nationwide-vote
    "President Trump Reaffirms His Long-Standing Opposition to Electoral College, and Favors A Nationwide Vote for President
    In 2012, Donald Trump said, "The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy. ... A total sham and a travesty.""
    Yeah, well, about that. We're not a democracy.
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  • From jack@johnrstobo@gmail.com to alt.tv.law-and-order on Tue Jul 7 05:46:41 2020
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    For some of what are seemed to be ambiguities in the decision, look at 1872 presidential election:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1872_United_States_presidential_election
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  • From theget@theget@bigmailbox.net to alt.tv.law-and-order on Tue Jul 7 15:45:13 2020
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    On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 8:46:42 AM UTC-4, jack wrote:
    For some of what are seemed to be ambiguities in the decision, look at 1872 presidential election:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1872_United_States_presidential_election

    I'm sorry, but I don't see how that resolves the ambiguities. Can you please explain?
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