• COlor of PDP-11/23 Front Panel

    From pdr0663@paul@rileyriot.com to alt.sys.pdp11 on Tue Jun 8 17:25:02 2021
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    Dear PDP-11 Team,

    I bought a front panel from a PDP-11/23 on eBay to go with a frankenstein machine I'm making up. It's in pretty poor condition, and I want to restore it, so will need to be painted.

    My question is, does anyone know the "official" color specififcations for these parts? It's a whitish beige color, as you'll all be no doubt familiar. I'm looking for a color specified as:
    - RALxxxx
    - Pantone xxx
    - Rxx Gxx Bxx
    - Commercial brand and color name or number.

    Anyone know?

    Paul
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  • From Vincent Slyngstad@vrs42@hotmail.com to alt.sys.pdp11 on Wed Jun 9 10:14:04 2021
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    On 6/8/2021 5:25 PM, pdr0663 wrote:
    Dear PDP-11 Team,

    I bought a front panel from a PDP-11/23 on eBay to go with a frankenstein machine I'm making up. It's in pretty poor condition, and I want to restore it, so will need to be painted.

    My question is, does anyone know the "official" color specififcations for these parts? It's a whitish beige color, as you'll all be no doubt familiar. I'm looking for a color specified as:
    - RALxxxx
    - Pantone xxx
    - Rxx Gxx Bxx
    - Commercial brand and color name or number.

    Anyone know?

    There's an extensive discussion of DEC colors here: https://www.vcfed.org/forum/forum/genres/dec/77767-reproduction-pdp-8e-toggle-switches

    but I think you are basically looking for "Munsell N 9.5", which is a
    shade of gray that is 9.5 out of 10 "white" (and 0.5 "black").

    Here's the relevant standard: http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/standards/EL-00092-00-0_F_Finish_and_Color_Standard_Dec82.pdf

    CHD's take on it:
    http://www.chdickman.com/pdp8/DECcolors/

    and mine: http://svn.so-much-stuff.com/svn/trunk/so-much-stuff.com/pdp8/repair/dec-std.html

    I found any number of calculators online which attempt to convert the
    RGB values to paint colors you can buy. It's difficult because it's
    affected by illumination, etc. Not to mention the color you had before
    may have yellowed or whatever, so the shiny new color looks "off".

    Fortunately, you're going for a neutral mostly white, so it is likely to
    look fine in most light.

    Vince
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  • From Lars Brinkhoff@lars.spam@nocrew.org to alt.sys.pdp11 on Wed Jun 9 17:45:49 2021
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    Vincent Slyngstad wrote:
    There's an extensive discussion of DEC colors here: https://www.vcfed.org/forum/forum/genres/dec/77767-reproduction-pdp-8e-toggle-switches

    but I think you are basically looking for "Munsell N 9.5", which is a
    shade of gray that is 9.5 out of 10 "white" (and 0.5 "black").

    Here's the relevant standard: http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/standards/EL-00092-00-0_F_Finish_and_Color_Standard_Dec82.pdf

    CHD's take on it:
    http://www.chdickman.com/pdp8/DECcolors/

    and mine: http://svn.so-much-stuff.com/svn/trunk/so-much-stuff.com/pdp8/repair/dec-std.html

    What color is a VT100? I read all of the above, but I didn't see
    anyting other than "Digital Brown" which doesn't seem to be the usual
    color.

    I'm 3D printing Michael Gardi's 2:3 VT100 model.
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  • From Vincent Slyngstad@vrs42@hotmail.com to alt.sys.pdp11 on Wed Jun 9 13:58:51 2021
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    On 6/9/2021 10:45 AM, Lars Brinkhoff wrote:
    What color is a VT100? I read all of the above, but I didn't see
    anyting other than "Digital Brown" which doesn't seem to be the usual
    color.

    I'm 3D printing Michael Gardi's 2:3 VT100 model.

    I may be clueless, but I thought the VT100 was essentially the same
    white, with black trim.

    Surviving examples are often significantly yellowed, though.

    Vince

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  • From pdr0663@paul@rileyriot.com to alt.sys.pdp11 on Wed Jun 9 15:47:36 2021
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    On Thursday, 10 June 2021 at 6:58:53 am UTC+10, Vincent Slyngstad wrote:
    On 6/9/2021 10:45 AM, Lars Brinkhoff wrote:
    What color is a VT100? I read all of the above, but I didn't see
    anyting other than "Digital Brown" which doesn't seem to be the usual color.

    I'm 3D printing Michael Gardi's 2:3 VT100 model.
    I may be clueless, but I thought the VT100 was essentially the same
    white, with black trim.

    Surviving examples are often significantly yellowed, though.

    Vince
    I have a VT100, and I think the dark color is actually brown, quite dark.

    Paul
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  • From Lars Brinkhoff@lars.spam@nocrew.org to alt.sys.pdp11 on Thu Jun 10 05:01:31 2021
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    pdr0663 wrote:
    Vincent Slyngstad wrote:
    What color is a VT100? I read all of the above, but I didn't see
    anyting other than "Digital Brown" which doesn't seem to be the
    usual color.

    I may be clueless, but I thought the VT100 was essentially the same
    white, with black trim. Surviving examples are often significantly
    yellowed, though.

    You may well be right!

    I have a VT100, and I think the dark color is actually brown, quite
    dark.

    Interesting, so maybe that is "Digital Brown".
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