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On 1/22/21 11:52 AM, Christian Corti wrote:

Ian Hammond <paramucho@gmail.com> wrote:

Up until some years ago there was PUTR.COM, a Windows app from John
Wilson, that imported and exported most PDP-11 file formats. Alas Windows
removed support for the memory management model that PUTR used, and

Ehm, PUTR has always been a DOS program, and not an "App" and not for Windows.

Christian

Last time I tried it ran fine under FreeDOS.

bill

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Christian Corti <use@reply.to> writes:

Ian Hammond <paramucho@gmail.com> wrote:

Up until some years ago there was PUTR.COM, a Windows app from John
Wilson, that imported and exported most PDP-11 file formats. Alas Windows
removed support for the memory management model that PUTR used, and

Ehm, PUTR has always been a DOS program, and not an "App" and not for >Windows.

Semantics. The Application abbreviation "App" predates mobile phones.

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Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

Semantics. The Application abbreviation "App" predates mobile phones.

Not where I live ;-)

Christian
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On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 9:20:02 PM UTC+11, Christian Corti wrote:

Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

Semantics. The Application abbreviation "App" predates mobile phones.

Not where I live ;-)

Christian

I confess that it still feels a little awkward to me when I use the term "app" to refer to PDP-11 "programs", "tasks", "executable images", ".EXE files", "CUSPS" (Commonly Used System Programs)", "utilities", and so forth.
However, I think the reason we have so many different names for
essentially the same thing is because we didn't find a term that would
cover them all, and "app" does that. And its short word too.

And given the fact that modern systems have borrowed 90% of their O/S
concepts from the PDP-11/VAX/VMS era, I think that we can return the compliment from time to time too, as an act of grace :=).

Ian

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On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 10:46:47 AM UTC-5, Ian Hammond wrote:

On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 9:20:02 PM UTC+11, Christian Corti wrote:

Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

Semantics. The Application abbreviation "App" predates mobile phones.

Not where I live ;-)

Christian

I confess that it still feels a little awkward to me when I use the term "app"
to refer to PDP-11 "programs", "tasks", "executable images", ".EXE files", "CUSPS" (Commonly Used System Programs)", "utilities", and so forth. However, I think the reason we have so many different names for
essentially the same thing is because we didn't find a term that would
cover them all, and "app" does that. And its short word too.

And given the fact that modern systems have borrowed 90% of their O/S concepts from the PDP-11/VAX/VMS era, I think that we can return the compliment from time to time too, as an act of grace :=).

Ian

It's not merely awkward, it's an anachronistic use of the term and thus necessarily inappropriate and confusing. The referents aren't "essentially the same thing" (IMO) -- each has a specific technical meaning tied to a specific technical context. Smearing all of them into a single ambiguous category isn't helpful ... especially in a technical forum.
Let's use the power of The (Technical) Word, correctly :-}.
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Lars Brinkhoff wrote:

The MIT Spacewar should be written in standard MACRO-11 that came with DOS-11. I would prefer to assemble it under DOS-11 if possible. It certainly *should* be possible.

I looked into the error code I got: A003.

It seems this error was due to a disk problem. When I ran VERIFY it
reported a block allocation error.

When I started anew from a fresh DOS-11 disk image I had no problem
reading the files off paper tape (the PR: device) and running MACRO to
assemble them. Likewise punching the output to PP: seems ok, pending
testing of the binary.
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On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 12:07:44 AM UTC+11, Lars Brinkhoff wrote:

Lars Brinkhoff wrote:

The MIT Spacewar should be written in standard MACRO-11 that came with DOS-11. I would prefer to assemble it under DOS-11 if possible. It certainly *should* be possible.

I looked into the error code I got: A003.

It seems this error was due to a disk problem. When I ran VERIFY it
reported a block allocation error.

When I started anew from a fresh DOS-11 disk image I had no problem
reading the files off paper tape (the PR: device) and running MACRO to assemble them. Likewise punching the output to PP: seems ok, pending
testing of the binary.

I'm glad someone is making progress! My simple plan to migrate some
PDP-11 Rider/C code to Windows has triggered a long overdue reorganization
of my PDP-11 and Windows libraries (and an ocean of bugs). So, the plan
now is to take my time and produce a generic file exchange utility (NOMAD)
that will run on both Windows and PDP-11 RUST handling file exchange for
RT-11, RSX, XXDP, DOS and VMS. I've got most of the import code I need in
one form or another.





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