It will be a cold day in HELL before I install Windows 11 and before I allow any Windows pc to go online!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp-oXb5dQA
It will be a cold day in HELL before I install Windows 11 and before I allow any Windows pc to go online!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp-oXb5dQA
It will be a cold day in HELL before I install Windows 11 and before I
allow any Windows pc to go online!
On 9/16/26 10:48 AM, User 7of9 wrote:
It will be a cold day in HELL before I install Windows 11 and before I
allow any Windows pc to go online!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp-oXb5dQA
Most of the programs people use are in Windows.
Catch 22:
Even if Linux were objectively a better operating system,
people won't switch to it because the applications they
need aren't available. But developers won't create
those applications for Linux because people aren't
switching to it.
--ChatGPT
They donrCOt even dominate the PC market these days.
On 9/16/26 1:51 PM, Nick Charles wrote:
They donrCOt even dominate the PC market these days.
this from ChatGTP:
Desktop OS Worldwide share
Windows 62.67%
macOS 15.31%
OS X 11.60%
Linux 8.88%
Chrome OS 1.53%
"62.67%" is still dominating.
On Sep 16, 2026 at 5:59:25rC>PM EDT, "T" <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 9/16/26 1:51 PM, Nick Charles wrote:
They donrCOt even dominate the PC market these days.
this from ChatGTP:
Desktop OS Worldwide share
Windows 62.67%
macOS 15.31%
OS X 11.60%
Linux 8.88%
Chrome OS 1.53%
"62.67%" is still dominating.
No, it isn't. Because it is 63% and dropping. Macs and Linux are both rising.
1 year ago Windows was 77%.
Those numbers are from StatCounter. Go there and look at the chart. Windows is dropping fast. Down to 53% in the U.S.
That is NOT "dominating". That is dying.
It will be a cold day in HELL before I install Windows 11 and before I
allow any Windows pc to go online!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp-oXb5dQA
On 9/16/26 6:59 PM, Nick Charles wrote:
On Sep 16, 2026 at 5:59:25rC>PM EDT, "T" <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 9/16/26 1:51 PM, Nick Charles wrote:
They donrCOt even dominate the PC market these days.
this from ChatGTP:
Desktop OS Worldwide share
Windows 62.67%
macOS 15.31%
OS X 11.60%
Linux 8.88%
Chrome OS 1.53%
"62.67%" is still dominating.
No, it isn't. Because it is 63% and dropping. Macs and Linux are both
rising.
1 year ago Windows was 77%.
Those numbers are from StatCounter. Go there and look at the chart.
Windows is dropping fast. Down to 53% in the U.S.
That is NOT "dominating". That is dying.
It is way more than I like. I can't get folks off
M$ as they want their apps they are use to.
Windows is a horrible OS, but users could care less,
most do not know what OS they have, they only care
about their stuff running.
I though I'd get more customers upgraded to Linux
after the W11 hardware stupidity, but so far I
only got one. Most want me to work around the
hardware issue, which I can do.
But without M$'s poor quality, I would not have a job.
Catch 22:
Even if Linux were objectively a better operating system,
people won't switch to it because the applications they
need aren't available. But developers won't create
those applications for Linux because people aren't
switching to it.
--ChatGPT
On 2026-09-16 19:07:44 +0000, T said:
On 9/16/26 10:48 AM, User 7of9 wrote:
It will be a cold day in HELL before I install Windows 11 and before I
allow any Windows pc to go online!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp-oXb5dQA
Most of the programs people use are in Windows.
All of the programs the *average* user needs are available on the Mac, including Microsoft Office. Even non-average users can use the likes of Adobe's suite, etc. on a Mac. (Many of these widespread used apps even started on the Mac!)
It's really only very specialised or in-house custom apps (or less occasionally hardware) that can be only available on Windoze. Even
then, you can legally run Windoze on a Mac under emulation and have
both OSes.
Catch 22:
Even if Linux were objectively a better operating system,
people won't switch to it because the applications they
need aren't available. But developers won't create
those applications for Linux because people aren't
switching to it.
--ChatGPT
People won't switch to it because of all the cludgey commands, syntax, awkward file system structure, and non-similar configuration steps
between distros. If a group put together a Windows like operating environment with the simplicty of Windows use, people would have more incentive to move.
It won't happen becauase there are 500+ different variants of of Linux,
and every lot feels their build is better that the rest, so the majority never matures.
On 9/16/26 10:48 AM, User 7of9 wrote:
It will be a cold day in HELL before I install Windows 11 and before I
allow any Windows pc to go online!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp-oXb5dQA
Most of the programs people use are in Windows.
Catch 22:
Even if Linux were objectively a better operating system,
people won't switch to it because the applications they
need aren't available. But developers won't create
those applications for Linux because people aren't
switching to it.
-a-a --ChatGPT
On 17/09/2026 5:07 am, T wrote:
On 9/16/26 10:48 AM, User 7of9 wrote:
It will be a cold day in HELL before I install Windows 11 and before I allow any Windows pc to go online!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp-oXb5dQA
Most of the programs people use are in Windows.
Catch 22:
Even if Linux were objectively a better operating system,
people won't switch to it because the applications they
need aren't available. But developers won't create
those applications for Linux because people aren't
switching to it.
-a-a-a --ChatGPT
I think MS made a very astute Business decision, back in the 80's (was it), when they allowed wholesale coping of their OS disks by computer retailers
so virtually every computer the public and/or commercial retailers dealt
with had MS pre-installed .... so why should anybody go looking for anything else??
O.K., gamers, etc, might have gone Apple/Mac .... but that's different.
On 9/16/26 10:48 AM, User 7of9 wrote:
It will be a cold day in HELL before I install Windows 11 and before I
allow any Windows pc to go online!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp-oXb5dQA
Most of the programs people use are in Windows.
Catch 22:
Even if Linux were objectively a better operating system,
people won't switch to it because the applications they
need aren't available. But developers won't create
those applications for Linux because people aren't
switching to it.
-a-a --ChatGPT
Windows has a ton-a of versions too.-a And you are
force to upgrade or else!
On 17/09/2026 5:07 am, T wrote:
On 9/16/26 10:48 AM, User 7of9 wrote:
It will be a cold day in HELL before I install Windows 11 and before
I allow any Windows pc to go online!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp-oXb5dQA
Most of the programs people use are in Windows.
Catch 22:
Even if Linux were objectively a better operating system,
people won't switch to it because the applications they
need aren't available. But developers won't create
those applications for Linux because people aren't
switching to it.
-a-a-a --ChatGPT
I think MS made a very astute Business decision, back in the 80's (was
it), when they allowed wholesale coping of their OS disks by computer retailers so virtually every computer the public and/or commercial
retailers dealt with had MS pre-installed .... so why should anybody go looking for anything else??
O.K., gamers, etc, might have gone Apple/Mac .... but that's different.
On 2026-09-16 21:07, T wrote:
On 9/16/26 10:48 AM, User 7of9 wrote:
It will be a cold day in HELL before I install Windows 11 and before
I allow any Windows pc to go online!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp-oXb5dQA
Most of the programs people use are in Windows.
Catch 22:
Even if Linux were objectively a better operating system,
people won't switch to it because the applications they
need aren't available. But developers won't create
those applications for Linux because people aren't
switching to it.
-a-a-a --ChatGPT
But saying that the applications they need aren't available is not
correct. There are often equivalent applications that are somewhat different, and they do not want to learn.
For example, Office vs LibreOffice. For most people, LO will work, but
it is different. Thunderbird, Firefox: same thing.
On 17/09/2026 5:07 am, T wrote:
On 9/16/26 10:48 AM, User 7of9 wrote:
It will be a cold day in HELL before I install Windows 11 and before
I allow any Windows pc to go online!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp-oXb5dQA
Most of the programs people use are in Windows.
Catch 22:
Even if Linux were objectively a better operating system,
people won't switch to it because the applications they
need aren't available. But developers won't create
those applications for Linux because people aren't
switching to it.
-a-a-a --ChatGPT
I think MS made a very astute Business decision, back in the 80's (was
it), when they allowed wholesale coping of their OS disks by computer retailers so virtually every computer the public and/or commercial
retailers dealt with had MS pre-installed .... so why should anybody go looking for anything else??
O.K., gamers, etc, might have gone Apple/Mac .... but that's different.
On 2026-09-16 21:07, T wrote:
On 9/16/26 10:48 AM, User 7of9 wrote:
It will be a cold day in HELL before I install Windows 11 and before I
allow any Windows pc to go online!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp-oXb5dQA
Most of the programs people use are in Windows.
Catch 22:
Even if Linux were objectively a better operating system,
people won't switch to it because the applications they
need aren't available. But developers won't create
those applications for Linux because people aren't
switching to it.
aa --ChatGPT
But saying that the applications they need aren't available is not
correct. There are often equivalent applications that are somewhat different, and they do not want to learn.
For example, Office vs LibreOffice. For most people, LO will work, but
it is different. Thunderbird, Firefox: same thing.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in news:118f163$3omjq$1@dont- email.me:
On 2026-09-16 19:07:44 +0000, T said:
On 9/16/26 10:48 AM, User 7of9 wrote:
It will be a cold day in HELL before I install Windows 11 and before I >>>> allow any Windows pc to go online!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp-oXb5dQA
Most of the programs people use are in Windows.
All of the programs the *average* user needs are available on the Mac,
including Microsoft Office. Even non-average users can use the likes of
Adobe's suite, etc. on a Mac. (Many of these widespread used apps even
started on the Mac!)
If playing with pictures, putting ears and pig noses on them is your
thing, yeah Mac. If dressing your dog up in videos to post on social
media, yeah Mac. There are a lot of Mac users on Bluesky.
It's really only very specialised or in-house custom apps (or less
occasionally hardware) that can be only available on Windoze. Even
then, you can legally run Windoze on a Mac under emulation and have
both OSes.
Mac OS is useless to manage storage arrays, storage appliances, fibre
channel switches, blade systems, etc. Maybe it works better in newer
totally web based management scenarios with Rest for that stuff. Mac
excels at simple things. For the complex, you need Windows, Linux, AIX, Solaris, etc.
Catch 22:
Even if Linux were objectively a better operating system,
people won't switch to it because the applications they
need aren't available. But developers won't create
those applications for Linux because people aren't
switching to it.
--ChatGPT
Oh M$ did more than that and got royally sues for it.-a M$
refused to sell Windows to OEM's if they did not 100% of
the time preinstall it on all of their computes they shipped.
You could not buy a blank or an alternate OS from an OEM with
out first paying for a preinstall version of Windows.
It will be a cold day in HELL before I install Windows 11 and before I allow any Windows pc to go online!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp-oXb5dQA
On 2026-09-16 21:07, T wrote:
On 9/16/26 10:48 AM, User 7of9 wrote:
It will be a cold day in HELL before I install Windows 11 and before I
allow any Windows pc to go online!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp-oXb5dQA
Most of the programs people use are in Windows.
Catch 22:
Even if Linux were objectively a better operating system,
people won't switch to it because the applications they
need aren't available. But developers won't create
those applications for Linux because people aren't
switching to it.
-a-a --ChatGPT
But saying that the applications they need aren't available is not
correct. There are often equivalent applications that are somewhat different, and they do not want to learn.
For example, Office vs LibreOffice. For most people, LO will work, but
it is different.
Thunderbird, Firefox: same thing.
For example, Office vs LibreOffice. For most people, LO will work, but
it is different.
Sorry but LO is only equivalent to Office at the most basic level. Fine for domestic letter writing or tracking bills. For professional use with team working and file sharing it simply isn't good enough.
On 9/17/26 11:05 PM, Chris wrote:
For example, Office vs LibreOffice. For most people, LO will work, but
it is different.
Sorry but LO is only equivalent to Office at the most basic level. Fine for >> domestic letter writing or tracking bills. For professional use with team
working and file sharing it simply isn't good enough.
I can be made to work.
And if you are sufficiently funded,
you can pay a programmer to fix up features you need.
But there is the retraining issue. ("I CAN'T LEAN ANYTHING NEW !!!!")
On 9/17/26 11:05 PM, Chris wrote:
For example, Office vs LibreOffice. For most people, LO will work, but
it is different.
Sorry but LO is only equivalent to Office at the most basic level. Fine for >> domestic letter writing or tracking bills. For professional use with team
working and file sharing it simply isn't good enough.
I can be made to work.-a And if you are sufficiently funded,
you can pay a programmer to fix up features you need.
But there is the retraining issue. ("I CAN'T LEAN ANYTHING NEW !!!!")
On 9/17/26 10:10 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-16 21:07, T wrote:
On 9/16/26 10:48 AM, User 7of9 wrote:
It will be a cold day in HELL before I install Windows 11 and before
I allow any Windows pc to go online!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp-oXb5dQA
Most of the programs people use are in Windows.
Catch 22:
Even if Linux were objectively a better operating system,
people won't switch to it because the applications they
need aren't available. But developers won't create
those applications for Linux because people aren't
switching to it.
-a-a-a --ChatGPT
But saying that the applications they need aren't available is not
correct. There are often equivalent applications that are somewhat
different, and they do not want to learn.
For example, Office vs LibreOffice. For most people, LO will work, but
it is different. Thunderbird, Firefox: same thing.
But not Quickbooks, a ton of business applications, anything from
Adobe, CAE/CAD programs, CNC programs, etc..
Great point!-a And I totally agree.-a There are suitable substitutes,
most of the time.
But what I have experienced is that the users do not want substitutes.
They want what they have learned and do not want the relearn anything
(new).
If you have ever tried to migrate a M$ Offoce user to Libre Office,
you know what I am talking about.
So "Catch 22" applies.-a It sucks.--
On 9/17/26 10:10 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-16 21:07, T wrote:
On 9/16/26 10:48 AM, User 7of9 wrote:
It will be a cold day in HELL before I install Windows 11 and
before I allow any Windows pc to go online!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp-oXb5dQA
Most of the programs people use are in Windows.
Catch 22: Even if Linux were objectively a better operating
system, people won't switch to it because the applications they
need aren't available. But developers won't create those
applications for Linux because people aren't switching to it.
--ChatGPT
But saying that the applications they need aren't available is not
correct. There are often equivalent applications that are somewhat
different, and they do not want to learn.
For example, Office vs LibreOffice. For most people, LO will work,
but it is different. Thunderbird, Firefox: same thing.
But not Quickbooks, a ton of business applications, anything from
Adobe, CAE/CAD programs, CNC programs, etc..
Great point! And I totally agree. There are suitable substitutes,
most of the time.
But what I have experienced is that the users do not want
substitutes. They want what they have learned ....
and do not want the relearn anything (new).--
If you have ever tried to migrate a M$ Offoce user to Libre Office,
you know what I am talking about.
So "Catch 22" applies. It sucks.
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 9/17/26 11:05 PM, Chris wrote:
For example, Office vs LibreOffice. For most people, LO will work, but >>>> it is different.
Sorry but LO is only equivalent to Office at the most basic level. Fine for >>> domestic letter writing or tracking bills. For professional use with team >>> working and file sharing it simply isn't good enough.
I can be made to work.
I tried for several years. It can't. Sharing files (esp. ppt) with work colleagues who use MS causes way too many problems.
It has to be an organisational decision and even then brings up barriers
for working with other orgs. The only genuinely viable alternative is
google docs. But then it's google...
And if you are sufficiently funded,
you can pay a programmer to fix up features you need.
That's a hard sell to management. "You mean we need to pay for dev time and then give it all away?!"
But there is the retraining issue. ("I CAN'T LEAN ANYTHING NEW !!!!")
Training is critically important. Lost productivity is a huge drain on businesses.
On 9/17/26 11:05 PM, Chris wrote:
For example, Office vs LibreOffice. For most people, LO will work,
but it is different.
Sorry but LO is only equivalent to Office at the most basic level.
Fine for domestic letter writing or tracking bills. For professional
use with team working and file sharing it simply isn't good enough.
I can be made to work. And if you are sufficiently funded,
you can pay a programmer to fix up features you need.
But there is the retraining issue. ("I CAN'T LEAN ANYTHING NEW !!!!")
But not Quickbooks, a ton of business applications, anything from
Adobe, CAE/CAD programs, CNC programs, etc..
Great point!-a And I totally agree.-a There are suitable substitutes,
most of the time.
But what I have experienced is that the users do not want substitutes.
They want what they have learned and do not want the relearn anything
(new).
If you have ever tried to migrate a M$ Offoce user to Libre Office,
you know what I am talking about.
So "Catch 22" applies.-a It sucks.
There are programs for accounting. Different.
I know business that do everything in Linux.
Blame schools, colleges and universities. These institutions should
install the Linux operating system (OS) as standard on all their PCs and laptops. They should also run courses or record videos to teach students
For example, Office vs LibreOffice. For most people, LO will work,
but it is different. Thunderbird, Firefox: same thing.
But not Quickbooks, a ton of business applications, anything from
Adobe, CAE/CAD programs, CNC programs, etc..
There are programs for accounting. Different.
I know business that do everything in Linux.
Great point!-a And I totally agree.-a There are suitable substitutes,
most of the time.
But what I have experienced is that the users do not want substitutes.
They want what they have learned and do not want the relearn anything
(new).
If you have ever tried to migrate a M$ Offoce user to Libre Office,
you know what I am talking about.
I do EfOU
On 18/09/2026 11:11, Carlos E.R. wrote:The finance team on Windows.
There are programs for accounting. Different.
I know business that do everything in Linux.
In this case, only the finance team should use Windows. Everyone else
should use Linux instead, which would reduce the cost of modern systems.
I'm sure the CEO and CFO would approve of this.
Replacing hardware just to use latest windows is a complete waste of
money. No wonder uptake of Windows 11 is not that great.
On 17/09/2026 21:49, T wrote:And check out who at the school's staff suddenly has a
But not Quickbooks, a ton of business applications, anything from
Adobe, CAE/CAD programs, CNC programs, etc..
Great point!-a And I totally agree.-a There are suitable substitutes,
most of the time.
But what I have experienced is that the users do not want substitutes.
They want what they have learned and do not want the relearn anything
(new).
If you have ever tried to migrate a M$ Offoce user to Libre Office,
you know what I am talking about.
So "Catch 22" applies.-a It sucks.
Blame schools, colleges and universities. These institutions should
install the Linux operating system (OS) as standard on all their PCs and laptops. They should also run courses or record videos to teach students
how to use the OS and its applications.
My university used to have documents about Microsoft Office, so why
can't they do the same? Microsoft didn't become popular by doing
nothing. They partnered with educational institutions to promote their products.
All of this requires funding and personnel, both of which are beyond the capabilities of the Linux community. Ubuntu is the largest and
best-funded organisation, but it cannot reach every institution alone,
as it is not as big as Microsoft was when it first started developing
Office.
just want to get a job done
And if you are sufficiently funded,
you can pay a programmer to fix up features you need.
That's a hard sell to management. "You mean we need to pay for dev time and then give it all away?!"
But there is the retraining issue. ("I CAN'T LEAN ANYTHING NEW !!!!")Training is critically important. Lost productivity is a huge drain on businesses.
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:118ipii$129np$1@dont-email.me:
On 9/17/26 11:05 PM, Chris wrote:
For example, Office vs LibreOffice. For most people, LO will work,
but it is different.
Sorry but LO is only equivalent to Office at the most basic level.
Fine for domestic letter writing or tracking bills. For professional
use with team working and file sharing it simply isn't good enough.
I can be made to work. And if you are sufficiently funded,
you can pay a programmer to fix up features you need.
But there is the retraining issue. ("I CAN'T LEAN ANYTHING NEW !!!!")
Some "new" isn't worth learning whn it adds unnecessary extra steps.
Blame schools, colleges and universities. These institutions should
install the Linux operating system (OS) as standard on all their PCs and
laptops. They should also run courses or record videos to teach students
Why ?
If unix desktops were going to take over the world I am sure they would
have done it by now - they have been going for at least 30 years
Those of us who are not computer scientists just want to get a job done, using a tool. The computer is just another tool - not a religion.
In a ideal world theres probably no need to even know which operating
system you are using
In a ideal world theres probably no need to even know which operatingThen the world IS ideal. I guarantee you that 95% of people using a computer/phone/iPad/whatever have no idea what an OS even IS, let alone which one they are using. It is an HP or Dell or Apple or Samsung computer/phone/tablet/whatever. ThatrCOs pretty much all they know AND all they need to know.
system you are using
Because most people are NOT computer geeks, nor do they want to become one
to shop online and send pictures to friends.
For the same reasons that you donrCOt need to know the gory details of the engine/transmission/brake system/etc. to drive a car. You get in, sit
down, push a button and drive away.
On 9/18/26 7:09 AM, bert wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:118ipii$129np$1@dont-email.me:
On 9/17/26 11:05 PM, Chris wrote:
For example, Office vs LibreOffice. For most people, LO will work,
but it is different.
Sorry but LO is only equivalent to Office at the most basic level.
Fine for domestic letter writing or tracking bills. For professional
use with team working and file sharing it simply isn't good enough.
I can be made to work. And if you are sufficiently funded,
you can pay a programmer to fix up features you need.
But there is the retraining issue. ("I CAN'T LEAN ANYTHING NEW !!!!")
Some "new" isn't worth learning whn it adds unnecessary extra steps.
Even if is does not, no one wants to relearn something they have
invested years in. They want EXACTLY the same stuff they had before
and they really do not care what OS it runs on.
On 17/09/2026 21:49, T wrote:
But not Quickbooks, a ton of business applications, anything from
Adobe, CAE/CAD programs, CNC programs, etc..
Great point!-a And I totally agree.-a There are suitable substitutes,
most of the time.
But what I have experienced is that the users do not want substitutes.
They want what they have learned and do not want the relearn anything
(new).
If you have ever tried to migrate a M$ Offoce user to Libre Office,
you know what I am talking about.
So "Catch 22" applies.-a It sucks.
Blame schools, colleges and universities. These institutions should
install the Linux operating system (OS) as standard on all their PCs and laptops. They should also run courses or record videos to teach students
how to use the OS and its applications.
My university used to have documents about Microsoft Office, so why
can't they do the same? Microsoft didn't become popular by doing
nothing. They partnered with educational institutions to promote their products.
All of this requires funding and personnel, both of which are beyond the capabilities of the Linux community. Ubuntu is the largest and
best-funded organisation, but it cannot reach every institution alone,
as it is not as big as Microsoft was when it first started developing
Office.
On 9/18/26 12:32 PM, Nick Charles wrote:
In a ideal world theres probably no need to even know which operating
system you are using
Then the world IS ideal. I guarantee you that 95% of people using a
computer/phone/iPad/whatever have no idea what an OS even IS, let alone
which one they are using. It is an HP or Dell or Apple or Samsung
computer/phone/tablet/whatever. ThatrCOs pretty much all they know AND all >> they need to know.
Because most people are NOT computer geeks, nor do they want to become one >> to shop online and send pictures to friends.
For the same reasons that you donrCOt need to know the gory details of the >> engine/transmission/brake system/etc. to drive a car. You get in, sit
down, push a button and drive away.
Well stated.
My experience is the same. They don't know and don't care. They just
want to get their work done and with the tools they have spent years learning.
Catch 22
The "I CAN'T LEARN ANYTHING NEW" thing. You're making
the person face multiple learning efforts in parallel.
They're new to the OS. They're new to all their tools.
Everything they touch is "broken", they don't know the "tricks".
"Oh yeah, we don't use that, we use this." Like if a new
user was in Windows, and was using the search in File Manager,
people here would tell them "I use Everything.exe" or
"I use Agent Ransack". Those count as "tricks". A user
left to flounder in the room by themselves, is wondering
why the Federated Search is so hard to set up EfOe It didn't
take me too long to play with that, but it probably took
a year before one of my setups behaved itself and actually
functioned correctly (in other words, doing what it said
on the tin). And as time passed, they broke the script
I had for doing searches, and I haven't managed to get
that running since. Another job for the LLM-AI to solve.
Every quirk takes four hours to solve. Is that in dconf ?
What tool do I use ? Is the thing I need in Preferences
or inabout:config ? Where is the Regedit EfOe
On 9/18/26 9:36 AM, John Smith wrote:
On 18/09/2026 11:11, Carlos E.R. wrote:The finance team on Windows.
There are programs for accounting. Different.
I know business that do everything in Linux.
In this case, only the finance team should use Windows. Everyone else
should use Linux instead, which would reduce the cost of modern systems.
I'm sure the CEO and CFO would approve of this.
Replacing hardware just to use latest windows is a complete waste of
money. No wonder uptake of Windows 11 is not that great.
The computer aided design team on Windows
The sales team on Windows.
The list goes on and on.
Catch 22:
Even if Linux were objectively a better operating system,
people won't switch to it because the applications they
need aren't available. But developers won't create
those applications for Linux because people aren't
switching to it.
-a-a --ChatGPT
On 17/09/2026 21:49, T wrote:
But not Quickbooks, a ton of business applications, anything from
Adobe, CAE/CAD programs, CNC programs, etc..
Great point!|e And I totally agree.|e There are suitable
substitutes, most of the time.
But what I have experienced is that the users do not want
substitutes. They want what they have learned and do not want the
relearn anything (new).
If you have ever tried to migrate a M$ Offoce user to Libre
Office, you know what I am talking about.
So "Catch 22" applies.|e It sucks.
Blame schools, colleges and universities.
These institutions should install the Linux operating system (OS)
as standard on all their PCs and laptops. They should also run
courses or record videos to teach students how to use the OS and its applications.
My university used to have documents about Microsoft Office, so why
can't they do the same? Microsoft didn't become popular by doing
nothing. They partnered with educational institutions to promote
their products.
All of this requires funding and personnel, both of which are beyond--
the capabilities of the Linux community. Ubuntu is the largest and best-funded organisation, but it cannot reach every institution
alone, as it is not as big as Microsoft was when it first started
developing Office.
On 9/18/26 12:32 PM, Nick Charles wrote:
In a ideal world theres probably no need to even know whichThen the world IS ideal. I guarantee you that 95% of people using
operating system you are using
a computer/phone/iPad/whatever have no idea what an OS even IS,
let alone which one they are using. It is an HP or Dell or Apple
or Samsung computer/phone/tablet/whatever. ThatrCOs pretty much all
they know AND all they need to know.
Because most people are NOT computer geeks, nor do they want to
become one to shop online and send pictures to friends.
For the same reasons that you donrCOt need to know the gory details
of the engine/transmission/brake system/etc. to drive a car. You
get in, sit down, push a button and drive away.
Well stated.
My experience is the same. They don't know and don't care.
They just want to get their work done and with the tools they have--
spent years learning.
Catch 22
On 19/09/2026 5:10 am, T wrote:
On 9/18/26 9:36 AM, John Smith wrote:
On 18/09/2026 11:11, Carlos E.R. wrote:The finance team on Windows.
There are programs for accounting. Different.
I know business that do everything in Linux.
In this case, only the finance team should use Windows. Everyone else
should use Linux instead, which would reduce the cost of modern systems. >>> I'm sure the CEO and CFO would approve of this.
Replacing hardware just to use latest windows is a complete waste of
money. No wonder uptake of Windows 11 is not that great.
The computer aided design team on Windows
The sales team on Windows.
The list goes on and on.
Catch 22:
Even if Linux were objectively a better operating system,
people won't switch to it because the applications they
need aren't available. But developers won't create
those applications for Linux because people aren't
switching to it.
-a-a-a --ChatGPT
.... and WHAT OS does ChatGPT/et all run on??
On 18/09/2026 11:11, Carlos E.R. wrote:
There are programs for accounting. Different.
I know business that do everything in Linux.
In this case, only the finance team should use Windows. Everyone else
should use Linux instead, which would reduce the cost of modern systems.
I'm sure the CEO and CFO would approve of this.
Replacing hardware just to use latest windows is a complete waste of
money. No wonder uptake of Windows 11 is not that great.
On 9/18/26 3:11 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Great point!-a And I totally agree.-a There are suitable substitutes,
most of the time.
But what I have experienced is that the users do not want substitutes.
They want what they have learned and do not want the relearn anything
(new).
If you have ever tried to migrate a M$ Offoce user to Libre Office,
you know what I am talking about.
I do EfOU
My heart goes out to you!
On 9/18/26 12:50 AM, Chris wrote:
And if you are sufficiently funded,
you can pay a programmer to fix up features you need.
That's a hard sell to management. "You mean we need to pay for dev
time and
then give it all away?!"
It is the downside to Open Source.
On 19/09/2026 2:15 am, John Smith wrote:
On 17/09/2026 21:49, T wrote:
But not Quickbooks, a ton of business applications, anything from
Adobe, CAE/CAD programs, CNC programs, etc..
Great point!- And I totally agree.- There are suitable
substitutes, most of the time.
But what I have experienced is that the users do not want
substitutes. They want what they have learned and do not want the
relearn anything (new).
If you have ever tried to migrate a M$ Offoce user to Libre
Office, you know what I am talking about.
So "Catch 22" applies.- It sucks.
Blame schools, colleges and universities.
I think, in the early 1990's, Apple gave EVERY child that started
Primary School in Victoria, Australia, a brand new Apple IIe (or was it
a Mac) computer for nothing!!
Bloody great Donation to the Education System (with accompanying Tax write-off) .... and creating a future Market!!
These institutions should install the Linux operating system (OS)
Yeap, and cheaper!!
as standard on all their PCs and laptops. They should also run
courses or record videos to teach students how to use the OS and its
applications.
Start them off early (see above) and lock them in as Future Customers.
My university used to have documents about Microsoft Office, so why
can't they do the same? Microsoft didn't become popular by doing
nothing. They partnered with educational institutions to promote
their products.
Related .... in the early 1990's, Lotus gave the Australian Army (or
was it The Australian Defence Force) open slather with their 'Lotus
Office' suite of programs. Copy The Master Disks .... go for it.
All of this requires funding and personnel, both of which are beyond
the capabilities of the Linux community. Ubuntu is the largest and
best-funded organisation, but it cannot reach every institution
alone, as it is not as big as Microsoft was when it first started
developing Office.
On 19/09/2026 5:48 am, T wrote:
On 9/18/26 12:32 PM, Nick Charles wrote:
In a ideal world theres probably no need to even know whichThen the world IS ideal. I guarantee you that 95% of people using
operating system you are using
a computer/phone/iPad/whatever have no idea what an OS even IS,
let alone which one they are using. It is an HP or Dell or Apple
or Samsung computer/phone/tablet/whatever. ThatrCOs pretty much all
they know AND all they need to know.
Because most people are NOT computer geeks, nor do they want to
become one to shop online and send pictures to friends.
For the same reasons that you donrCOt need to know the gory details
of the engine/transmission/brake system/etc. to drive a car. You
get in, sit down, push a button and drive away.
WHAT?? I have to get in, sit down, TURN A KEY, and drive away!! Am I
being ripped off?? ;-P
Well stated.
My experience is the same. They don't know and don't care.
and don't care .... except when what they did at Work doesn't work at Home!!
They just want to get their work done and with the tools they have
spent years learning.
Catch 22
On 2026-09-18 18:36, John Smith wrote:
On 18/09/2026 11:11, Carlos E.R. wrote:
There are programs for accounting. Different.
I know business that do everything in Linux.
In this case, only the finance team should use Windows. Everyone else
should use Linux instead, which would reduce the cost of modern systems.
I'm sure the CEO and CFO would approve of this.
Again, I know business that do everything in Linux. Everything,
including sales and finances :-)
Replacing hardware just to use latest windows is a complete waste of
money. No wonder uptake of Windows 11 is not that great.
On 2026-09-18 21:07, T wrote:
On 9/18/26 3:11 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Great point!-a And I totally agree.-a There are suitable substitutes,
most of the time.
But what I have experienced is that the users do not want substitutes. >>>> They want what they have learned and do not want the relearn anything (new).
If you have ever tried to migrate a M$ Offoce user to Libre Office,
you know what I am talking about.
I do EfOU
My heart goes out to you!
I'm just now setting up a laptop for a lady, using Windows 11. She
wants office for work, but I said it costs money. There is the 365
trial included with the machine, she may not like the 12re4/month. Lenovo offered to provide a permanent office license.
She wants some friend to install it gratis. Not something I'm prepared to do.
Truth be told, it should be the responsibility of her employer to
provide all software licenses needed for work (she is a teacher).
I failed to convince her to use LO instead. Just because it is
different, and she is very technology adverse.
Things aside, I find W11 nice enough :-)
(I also installed a small Linux (openSUSE Leap 16)).
On 2026-09-18 21:18, T wrote:
On 9/18/26 12:50 AM, Chris wrote:
And if you are sufficiently funded,
you can pay a programmer to fix up features you need.
That's a hard sell to management. "You mean we need to pay for dev
time and
then give it all away?!"
It is the downside to Open Source.
My dentist is using some nice software, they can see my mouth in detail, focus in one piece, turn it around. It is wonderful. And probably hugely expensive.
Instead, the national dentist association could put aside money to hire
some developers to create their own software. All the features they
wanted, and the software would be free for all members for life.
Yes, they would have to pay the salaries of the people doing it.
Something of the sort was done to create Apache.
I'm just now setting up a laptop for a lady, using Windows 11. She wants office for work, but I said it costs money. There is the 365 trial
included with the machine, she may not like the 12re4/month. Lenovo
offered to provide a permanent office license.
She wants some friend to install it gratis. Not something I'm prepared
to do.
Truth be told, it should be the responsibility of her employer to
provide all software licenses needed for work (she is a teacher).
I failed to convince her to use LO instead. Just because it is
different, and she is very technology adverse.
Things aside, I find W11 nice enough :-)
(I also installed a small Linux (openSUSE Leap 16)).
On 2026-09-18 21:18, T wrote:
On 9/18/26 12:50 AM, Chris wrote:
And if you are sufficiently funded,
you can pay a programmer to fix up features you need.
That's a hard sell to management. "You mean we need to pay for dev
time and
then give it all away?!"
It is the downside to Open Source.
My dentist is using some nice software, they can see my mouth in detail, focus in one piece, turn it around. It is wonderful. And probably hugely expensive.
Instead, the national dentist association could put aside money to hire
some developers to create their own software.
All the features they
wanted, and the software would be free for all members for life.
Yes, they would have to pay the salaries of the people doing it.
Something of the sort was done to create Apache.
On 9/19/26 1:56 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-18 21:18, T wrote:
On 9/18/26 12:50 AM, Chris wrote:
And if you are sufficiently funded,
you can pay a programmer to fix up features you need.
That's a hard sell to management. "You mean we need to pay for dev
time and
then give it all away?!"
It is the downside to Open Source.
My dentist is using some nice software, they can see my mouth in detail,
focus in one piece, turn it around. It is wonderful. And probably hugely
expensive.
Instead, the national dentist association could put aside money to hire
some developers to create their own software. All the features they
wanted, and the software would be free for all members for life.
Yes, they would have to pay the salaries of the people doing it.
Something of the sort was done to create Apache.
Good point.
I have found that the bet software for business are ones
created by the businesses themselves. They know what they
need and how it should work.
I'm just now setting up a laptop for a lady, using Windows 11. She wants
office for work, but I said it costs money. There is the 365 trial
included with the machine, she may not like the 12re4/month. Lenovo
offered to provide a permanent office license.
She wants some friend to install it gratis. Not something I'm prepared
to do.
Truth be told, it should be the responsibility of her employer to
provide all software licenses needed for work (she is a teacher).
I failed to convince her to use LO instead. Just because it is
different, and she is very technology adverse.
Things aside, I find W11 nice enough :-)
(I also installed a small Linux (openSUSE Leap 16)).
Just one observation on the cost of software ...
I started using MS Office with whatever version it was before Win 95 -
so ... more than 30 years ago.
At the time the retail cost of Office Pro (the one with Access) was
around -u450.
Right now, I can buy a licence for Win 11 Pro AND Office 2024 Pro for
use on THREE PCs for -u29.99
Seems to me that the case for "free" software has changed a bit over the years - and Office 365 subscriptions seem a bit pointless
Not officially you can't. The real price would be north of -u500.
Seems to me that the case for "free" software has changed a bit over the
years - and Office 365 subscriptions seem a bit pointless
Which is why Microsoft tolerates this grey market in licences and outright piracy in the past. They were of the attitude that if anyone was going to steal software it better be theirs rather than a competitor.
Subscriptions are working as intended now microsoft are disabling people's standalone installs of Office. That's extremely shitty behaviour.
On Sat, 9/19/2026 6:33 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
On 19/09/2026 5:10 am, T wrote:
On 9/18/26 9:36 AM, John Smith wrote:
On 18/09/2026 11:11, Carlos E.R. wrote:The finance team on Windows.
There are programs for accounting. Different.
I know business that do everything in Linux.
In this case, only the finance team should use Windows.
Everyone else should use Linux instead, which would reduce the
cost of modern systems. I'm sure the CEO and CFO would approve
of this.
Replacing hardware just to use latest windows is a complete
waste of money. No wonder uptake of Windows 11 is not that
great.
The computer aided design team on Windows
The sales team on Windows.
The list goes on and on.
Catch 22: Even if Linux were objectively a better operating
system, people won't switch to it because the applications they
need aren't available. But developers won't create those
applications for Linux because people aren't switching to it.
--ChatGPT
.... and WHAT OS does ChatGPT/et all run on??
You should ask ChatGPT what it is running on.
The machines love questions like that, as they have no way to sense
anything.
It's "mind" is a bunch of matrix multiplications.
When I run one of those kinds of models locally, I keep Task Manager
or Gnome System Monitor open, so I can tell what is going on. The
hosting software doesn't always tell you stuff. The Windows one is on
an NVMe, the Linux one is on a 2.5" SSD. The time for the model to
load, is pretty slow (it's not storage device limited, it seems to be "unpacking" something). None of the answers I receive, say anything
about my OS choice or how slow the LLM-AI thinks the hardware is.
*******
You don't have to "create versions" of application software.
You can start with a "write once" language and scheme, which can be post-processed to make a version for another OS.
Just one observation on the cost of software ...
I started using MS Office with whatever version it was before Win 95 -
so ... more than 30 years ago.
On 9/17/26 3:54 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
On 17/09/2026 5:07 am, T wrote:
On 9/16/26 10:48 AM, User 7of9 wrote:
It will be a cold day in HELL before I install Windows 11 and before
I allow any Windows pc to go online!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp-oXb5dQA
Most of the programs people use are in Windows.
Catch 22:
Even if Linux were objectively a better operating system,
people won't switch to it because the applications they
need aren't available. But developers won't create
those applications for Linux because people aren't
switching to it.
-a-a-a --ChatGPT
I think MS made a very astute Business decision, back in the 80's (was
it), when they allowed wholesale coping of their OS disks by computer
retailers so virtually every computer the public and/or commercial
retailers dealt with had MS pre-installed .... so why should anybody
go looking for anything else??
O.K., gamers, etc, might have gone Apple/Mac .... but that's different.
Oh M$ did more than that and got royally sues for it.-a M$
refused to sell Windows to OEM's if they did not 100% of
the time preinstall it on all of their computes they shipped.
You could not buy a blank or an alternate OS from an OEM with
out first paying for a preinstall version of Windows.
Now you can.-a Lawyers do serve a purpose.-a Well, sometimes.
Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> wrote:
I'm just now setting up a laptop for a lady, using Windows 11. She wants >>> office for work, but I said it costs money. There is the 365 trial
included with the machine, she may not like the 12re4/month. Lenovo
offered to provide a permanent office license.
She wants some friend to install it gratis. Not something I'm prepared
to do.
Truth be told, it should be the responsibility of her employer to
provide all software licenses needed for work (she is a teacher).
I failed to convince her to use LO instead. Just because it is
different, and she is very technology adverse.
Things aside, I find W11 nice enough :-)
(I also installed a small Linux (openSUSE Leap 16)).
Just one observation on the cost of software ...
I started using MS Office with whatever version it was before Win 95 -
so ... more than 30 years ago.
At the time the retail cost of Office Pro (the one with Access) was
around -u450.
Right now, I can buy a licence for Win 11 Pro AND Office 2024 Pro for
use on THREE PCs for -u29.99
Not officially you can't. The real price would be north of -u500.
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 9/19/26 1:56 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-18 21:18, T wrote:
On 9/18/26 12:50 AM, Chris wrote:
And if you are sufficiently funded,
you can pay a programmer to fix up features you need.
That's a hard sell to management. "You mean we need to pay for dev
time and
then give it all away?!"
It is the downside to Open Source.
My dentist is using some nice software, they can see my mouth in detail, >>> focus in one piece, turn it around. It is wonderful. And probably hugely >>> expensive.
Instead, the national dentist association could put aside money to hire
some developers to create their own software. All the features they
wanted, and the software would be free for all members for life.
Yes, they would have to pay the salaries of the people doing it.
Something of the sort was done to create Apache.
Good point.
I have found that the bet software for business are ones
created by the businesses themselves. They know what they
need and how it should work.
Do you have an example?
On 20/09/2026 5:04 pm, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
<Snip>
Just one observation on the cost of software ...
I started using MS Office with whatever version it was before Win 95 -
so ... more than 30 years ago.
Before Win95 ... would have been Win3.0 or 3.1, wouldn't it??
Not officially you can't. The real price would be north of -u500.
Seems to me that the case for "free" software has changed a bit over the >>> years - and Office 365 subscriptions seem a bit pointless
Which is why Microsoft tolerates this grey market in licences and outright >> piracy in the past. They were of the attitude that if anyone was going to
steal software it better be theirs rather than a competitor.
Subscriptions are working as intended now microsoft are disabling people's >> standalone installs of Office. That's extremely shitty behaviour.
So ... MS accept the licence keys on my account as an act of charity ?
On 2026-09-20 13:00, Chris wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 9/19/26 1:56 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-18 21:18, T wrote:
On 9/18/26 12:50 AM, Chris wrote:
And if you are sufficiently funded,
you can pay a programmer to fix up features you need.
That's a hard sell to management. "You mean we need to pay for dev >>>>>> time and
then give it all away?!"
It is the downside to Open Source.
My dentist is using some nice software, they can see my mouth in detail, >>>> focus in one piece, turn it around. It is wonderful. And probably hugely >>>> expensive.
Instead, the national dentist association could put aside money to hire >>>> some developers to create their own software. All the features they
wanted, and the software would be free for all members for life.
Yes, they would have to pay the salaries of the people doing it.
Something of the sort was done to create Apache.
Good point.
I have found that the bet software for business are ones
created by the businesses themselves. They know what they
need and how it should work.
Do you have an example?
Apache
So ... MS accept the licence keys on my account as an act of charity ?
Maybe not charity, but there's no guarantee those keys will be valid today
or in the long term.
On 2026-09-20 13:43, Chris wrote:
Right now, I can buy a licence for Win 11 Pro AND Office 2024 Pro for
use on THREE PCs for -u29.99
Not officially you can't. The real price would be north of -u500.
On the laptop I bought from Lenovo that I mentioned, the prices are:50 Euro is -u43
49.50re4 (was 99) for 1 year office 365.
149re4 Office home 2024Single user license but can be used for same MSFT account on different devices, but not at same time since activation server periodic check may prompt for sign in or sign out indicating duplicate use at same time.
254re4 Office home & enterprise 2024, perpetual licenseSee above, same single user license.
<https://www.lenovo.com/es/es/configurator/cto/?bundleId=21SRCTO1WWES1>
...
Subscriptions are working as intended now microsoft are disabling people's standalone installs of Office. That's extremely shitty behaviour.
On 09/20/2026 8:25 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-20 13:43, Chris wrote:
Right now, I can buy a licence for Win 11 Pro AND Office 2024 Pro for
use on THREE PCs for -u29.99
-u30 is 35 Euro
Not officially you can't. The real price would be north of -u500.
@Chris
Depends upon how one looks at the economics.
First, Office Pro 2024 was not an option on Carlos Lenovo link in his
reply.
M365 Office Family was 65 Euro (-u56)
-aOne primary user and 5 shared users total
-a - one primary user, the same user on 3 pcs is stil 65 Euro(-u56)
-a - One primary user and 2 other shared users is 1/3 for each ~22 Euro(-u19)
-a Note: Those are 1st year costs, thereafter normal MSFT renewal pricing.
-a50 Euro is -u43
On the laptop I bought from Lenovo that I mentioned, the prices are:
49.50re4 (was 99) for 1 year office 365.
Single user license but can be used for same MSFT account on different devices, but not at same time since activation server periodic check may prompt for sign in or sign out indicating duplicate use at same time.
149re4 Office home 2024
See above, same single user license.
254re4 Office home & enterprise 2024, perpetual license
<https://www.lenovo.com/es/es/configurator/cto/?bundleId=21SRCTO1WWES1>
...
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-09-20 13:00, Chris wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 9/19/26 1:56 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-18 21:18, T wrote:
On 9/18/26 12:50 AM, Chris wrote:
And if you are sufficiently funded,
you can pay a programmer to fix up features you need.
That's a hard sell to management. "You mean we need to pay for dev >>>>>>> time and
then give it all away?!"
It is the downside to Open Source.
My dentist is using some nice software, they can see my mouth in detail, >>>>> focus in one piece, turn it around. It is wonderful. And probably hugely >>>>> expensive.
Instead, the national dentist association could put aside money to hire >>>>> some developers to create their own software. All the features they
wanted, and the software would be free for all members for life.
Yes, they would have to pay the salaries of the people doing it.
Something of the sort was done to create Apache.
Good point.
I have found that the bet software for business are ones
created by the businesses themselves. They know what they
need and how it should work.
Do you have an example?
Apache
Which business created it "for themselves"?
On 2026-09-20 19:36, ....winston wrote:
On 09/20/2026 8:25 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-20 13:43, Chris wrote:
Right now, I can buy a licence for Win 11 Pro AND Office 2024 Pro for >>>>> use on THREE PCs for -u29.99
-u30 is 35 Euro
Not officially you can't. The real price would be north of -u500.
@Chris
Depends upon how one looks at the economics.
First, Office Pro 2024 was not an option on Carlos Lenovo link in his
reply.
M365 Office Family was 65 Euro (-u56)
-a-aOne primary user and 5 shared users total
-a-a - one primary user, the same user on 3 pcs is stil 65 Euro(-u56)
-a-a - One primary user and 2 other shared users is 1/3 for each ~22
Euro(-u19)
-a-a Note: Those are 1st year costs, thereafter normal MSFT renewal
pricing.
-a-a50 Euro is -u43
On the laptop I bought from Lenovo that I mentioned, the prices are:
49.50re4 (was 99) for 1 year office 365.
Office 365 needs an MSFT account? Does it need internet to be used?
Single user license but can be used for same MSFT account on different
149re4 Office home 2024
devices, but not at same time since activation server periodic check
may prompt for sign in or sign out indicating duplicate use at same time.
Can this be a local user without MSFT account?
I'm thinking that this laptop is often used with no internet. And the
user is a non-admin, plain user, no MSFT.
See above, same single user license.
254re4 Office home & enterprise 2024, perpetual license
<https://www.lenovo.com/es/es/configurator/cto/?bundleId=21SRCTO1WWES1>
...
On 09/20/2026 3:16 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-20 19:36, ....winston wrote:Since Office 2016 All Retail and OEM Office(Perpetual,
On 09/20/2026 8:25 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-20 13:43, Chris wrote:
Right now, I can buy a licence for Win 11 Pro AND Office 2024 Pro for >>>>>> use on THREE PCs for -u29.99
-u30 is 35 Euro
Not officially you can't. The real price would be north of -u500.
@Chris
Depends upon how one looks at the economics.
First, Office Pro 2024 was not an option on Carlos Lenovo link in his
reply.
M365 Office Family was 65 Euro (-u56)
-a-aOne primary user and 5 shared users total
-a-a - one primary user, the same user on 3 pcs is stil 65 Euro(-u56)
-a-a - One primary user and 2 other shared users is 1/3 for each ~22
Euro(-u19)
-a-a Note: Those are 1st year costs, thereafter normal MSFT renewal
pricing.
-a-a50 Euro is -u43
On the laptop I bought from Lenovo that I mentioned, the prices are:
49.50re4 (was 99) for 1 year office 365.
Office 365 needs an MSFT account? Does it need internet to be used?
Single user license but can be used for same MSFT account on
149re4 Office home 2024
different devices, but not at same time since activation server
periodic check may prompt for sign in or sign out indicating
duplicate use at same time.
Can this be a local user without MSFT account?
I'm thinking that this laptop is often used with no internet. And the
user is a non-admin, plain user, no MSFT.
See above, same single user license.
254re4 Office home & enterprise 2024, perpetual license
<https://www.lenovo.com/es/es/configurator/cto/?bundleId=21SRCTO1WWES1> >>>>
...
M365[subscription]) require a MSFT Account[MSA] to download, install, activate, and retain full functionality(i.e. sign-in in Office with MSA)
and periodic license/validity backend verification for the digital license.
Exceptions are Volume Licensing and Enterprise
-a- activated via the providing organization's server and/or volume
license using KMS or MAK key activation.
Once activated, use without an internet is possible, though eventually signon with the 'owner' MSA is still required.
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 9/19/26 1:56 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-18 21:18, T wrote:
On 9/18/26 12:50 AM, Chris wrote:
And if you are sufficiently funded,
you can pay a programmer to fix up features you need.
That's a hard sell to management. "You mean we need to pay for dev
time and
then give it all away?!"
It is the downside to Open Source.
My dentist is using some nice software, they can see my mouth in detail, >>> focus in one piece, turn it around. It is wonderful. And probably hugely >>> expensive.
Instead, the national dentist association could put aside money to hire
some developers to create their own software. All the features they
wanted, and the software would be free for all members for life.
Yes, they would have to pay the salaries of the people doing it.
Something of the sort was done to create Apache.
Good point.
I have found that the bet software for business are ones
created by the businesses themselves. They know what they
need and how it should work.
Do you have an example?
On 2026-09-20 18:44, Chris wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-09-20 13:00, Chris wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 9/19/26 1:56 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-18 21:18, T wrote:
On 9/18/26 12:50 AM, Chris wrote:
And if you are sufficiently funded,
you can pay a programmer to fix up features you need.
That's a hard sell to management. "You mean we need to pay for dev >>>>>>>> time and
then give it all away?!"
It is the downside to Open Source.
My dentist is using some nice software, they can see my mouth in
detail,
focus in one piece, turn it around. It is wonderful. And probably >>>>>> hugely
expensive.
Instead, the national dentist association could put aside money to >>>>>> hire
some developers to create their own software. All the features they >>>>>> wanted, and the software would be free for all members for life.
Yes, they would have to pay the salaries of the people doing it.
Something of the sort was done to create Apache.
Good point.
I have found that the bet software for business are ones
created by the businesses themselves.-a They know what they
need and how it should work.
Do you have an example?
Apache
Which business created it "for themselves"?
Apache. It was created by many operators keeping web pages. They joined efforts and created apache, then they stopped using the microsoft alternative.
On 2026-09-20 22:10, ....winston wrote:
On 09/20/2026 3:16 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-20 19:36, ....winston wrote:Since Office 2016 All Retail and OEM Office(Perpetual,
On 09/20/2026 8:25 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-20 13:43, Chris wrote:
Right now, I can buy a licence for Win 11 Pro AND Office 2024 Pro >>>>>>> for
use on THREE PCs for -u29.99
-u30 is 35 Euro
Not officially you can't. The real price would be north of -u500.
@Chris
Depends upon how one looks at the economics.
First, Office Pro 2024 was not an option on Carlos Lenovo link in
his reply.
M365 Office Family was 65 Euro (-u56)
-a-aOne primary user and 5 shared users total
-a-a - one primary user, the same user on 3 pcs is stil 65 Euro(-u56)
-a-a - One primary user and 2 other shared users is 1/3 for each ~22
Euro(-u19)
-a-a Note: Those are 1st year costs, thereafter normal MSFT renewal
pricing.
-a-a50 Euro is -u43
On the laptop I bought from Lenovo that I mentioned, the prices are: >>>>>
49.50re4 (was 99) for 1 year office 365.
Office 365 needs an MSFT account? Does it need internet to be used?
Single user license but can be used for same MSFT account on
149re4 Office home 2024
different devices, but not at same time since activation server
periodic check may prompt for sign in or sign out indicating
duplicate use at same time.
Can this be a local user without MSFT account?
I'm thinking that this laptop is often used with no internet. And the
user is a non-admin, plain user, no MSFT.
See above, same single user license.
254re4 Office home & enterprise 2024, perpetual license
<https://www.lenovo.com/es/es/configurator/cto/?
bundleId=21SRCTO1WWES1>
...
M365[subscription]) require a MSFT Account[MSA] to download, install,
activate, and retain full functionality(i.e. sign-in in Office with
MSA) and periodic license/validity backend verification for the
digital license.
Exceptions are Volume Licensing and Enterprise
-a-a- activated via the providing organization's server and/or volume
license using KMS or MAK key activation.
Once activated, use without an internet is possible, though eventually
signon with the 'owner' MSA is still required.
This is a problem, if we want to get a license. The user does not have a MSA.
Unless we can use an account with an MSA to buy the product, then use
the product with another user (with no MSA) on the same machine.
On 2026-09-20 18:44, Chris wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-09-20 13:00, Chris wrote:
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 9/19/26 1:56 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-18 21:18, T wrote:
On 9/18/26 12:50 AM, Chris wrote:
And if you are sufficiently funded,
you can pay a programmer to fix up features you need.
That's a hard sell to management. "You mean we need to pay for dev >>>>>>>> time and
then give it all away?!"
It is the downside to Open Source.
My dentist is using some nice software, they can see my mouth in detail, >>>>>> focus in one piece, turn it around. It is wonderful. And probably hugely >>>>>> expensive.
Instead, the national dentist association could put aside money to hire >>>>>> some developers to create their own software. All the features they >>>>>> wanted, and the software would be free for all members for life.
Yes, they would have to pay the salaries of the people doing it.
Something of the sort was done to create Apache.
Good point.
I have found that the bet software for business are ones
created by the businesses themselves. They know what they
need and how it should work.
Do you have an example?
Apache
Which business created it "for themselves"?
Apache. It was created by many operators keeping web pages. They joined efforts and created apache, then they stopped using the microsoft alternative.
On 09/20/2026 6:12 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-20 22:10, ....winston wrote:
On 09/20/2026 3:16 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-20 19:36, ....winston wrote:Since Office 2016 All Retail and OEM Office(Perpetual,
On 09/20/2026 8:25 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-20 13:43, Chris wrote:
Right now, I can buy a licence for Win 11 Pro AND Office 2024 >>>>>>>> Pro for
use on THREE PCs for -u29.99
-u30 is 35 Euro
Not officially you can't. The real price would be north of -u500.
@Chris
Depends upon how one looks at the economics.
First, Office Pro 2024 was not an option on Carlos Lenovo link in
his reply.
M365 Office Family was 65 Euro (-u56)
-a-aOne primary user and 5 shared users total
-a-a - one primary user, the same user on 3 pcs is stil 65 Euro(-u56) >>>>> -a-a - One primary user and 2 other shared users is 1/3 for each ~22 >>>>> Euro(-u19)
-a-a Note: Those are 1st year costs, thereafter normal MSFT renewal >>>>> pricing.
-a-a50 Euro is -u43
On the laptop I bought from Lenovo that I mentioned, the prices are: >>>>>>
49.50re4 (was 99) for 1 year office 365.
Office 365 needs an MSFT account? Does it need internet to be used?
Single user license but can be used for same MSFT account on
149re4 Office home 2024
different devices, but not at same time since activation server
periodic check may prompt for sign in or sign out indicating
duplicate use at same time.
Can this be a local user without MSFT account?
I'm thinking that this laptop is often used with no internet. And
the user is a non-admin, plain user, no MSFT.
See above, same single user license.
254re4 Office home & enterprise 2024, perpetual license
<https://www.lenovo.com/es/es/configurator/cto/?
bundleId=21SRCTO1WWES1>
...
M365[subscription]) require a MSFT Account[MSA] to download, install,
activate, and retain full functionality(i.e. sign-in in Office with
MSA) and periodic license/validity backend verification for the
digital license.
Exceptions are Volume Licensing and Enterprise
-a-a- activated via the providing organization's server and/or volume
license using KMS or MAK key activation.
Once activated, use without an internet is possible, though
eventually signon with the 'owner' MSA is still required.
This is a problem, if we want to get a license. The user does not have
a MSA.
Unless we can use an account with an MSA to buy the product, then use
the product with another user (with no MSA) on the same machine.
The MSA that purchases it, is the owner.-a Does not matter of perpetual
or subscription. The license is digital and tied to the MSA that
installs, activates it.
Stand-alone(perpetual editions) as noted are single user, one license,
one MSA. Other users, on the same device, would still need to use the
owner MSA to sign-on in Office for functionality, license validation,
and use.
Subscription version that do not support multiple users(e.g M365
Personal) has the same above limits as the perpetual(e.g. Home, Home and Business)edition - single user, one license, one MSA...likewise, any
other user would still need to use the owner of the subscription MSA to sign-on in Office for functionality, license, validation, and-a use
Subscription versions that *do support* multiple users(M365 Family) can share, and only share with other users that have a Microsoft account.
One could have a user without an MSA, not shared on the device, but that user like all other editions would still need to sign-on in Office with
the owner MSA for functionality, license validation, and use.
An internet connection is necessary for sign-on in Microsoft Office.
An internet connection is necessary to update Microsoft Office.
On 2026-09-21 07:59, ....winston wrote:
On 09/20/2026 6:12 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-20 22:10, ....winston wrote:
On 09/20/2026 3:16 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-20 19:36, ....winston wrote:Since Office 2016 All Retail and OEM Office(Perpetual,
On 09/20/2026 8:25 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-20 13:43, Chris wrote:
Right now, I can buy a licence for Win 11 Pro AND Office 2024 >>>>>>>>> Pro for
use on THREE PCs for -u29.99
-u30 is 35 Euro
@Chris
Not officially you can't. The real price would be north of -u500. >>>>>>
Depends upon how one looks at the economics.
First, Office Pro 2024 was not an option on Carlos Lenovo link in >>>>>> his reply.
M365 Office Family was 65 Euro (-u56)
-a-aOne primary user and 5 shared users total
-a-a - one primary user, the same user on 3 pcs is stil 65 Euro(-u56) >>>>>> -a-a - One primary user and 2 other shared users is 1/3 for each ~22 >>>>>> Euro(-u19)
-a-a Note: Those are 1st year costs, thereafter normal MSFT renewal >>>>>> pricing.
-a-a50 Euro is -u43
On the laptop I bought from Lenovo that I mentioned, the prices are: >>>>>>>
49.50re4 (was 99) for 1 year office 365.
Office 365 needs an MSFT account? Does it need internet to be used?
Single user license but can be used for same MSFT account on
149re4 Office home 2024
different devices, but not at same time since activation server
periodic check may prompt for sign in or sign out indicating
duplicate use at same time.
Can this be a local user without MSFT account?
I'm thinking that this laptop is often used with no internet. And
the user is a non-admin, plain user, no MSFT.
See above, same single user license.
254re4 Office home & enterprise 2024, perpetual license
<https://www.lenovo.com/es/es/configurator/cto/?
bundleId=21SRCTO1WWES1>
...
M365[subscription]) require a MSFT Account[MSA] to download,
install, activate, and retain full functionality(i.e. sign-in in
Office with MSA) and periodic license/validity backend verification
for the digital license.
Exceptions are Volume Licensing and Enterprise
-a-a- activated via the providing organization's server and/or volume >>>> license using KMS or MAK key activation.
Once activated, use without an internet is possible, though
eventually signon with the 'owner' MSA is still required.
This is a problem, if we want to get a license. The user does not
have a MSA.
Unless we can use an account with an MSA to buy the product, then use
the product with another user (with no MSA) on the same machine.
The MSA that purchases it, is the owner.-a Does not matter of perpetual
or subscription. The license is digital and tied to the MSA that
installs, activates it.
Stand-alone(perpetual editions) as noted are single user, one license,
one MSA. Other users, on the same device, would still need to use the
owner MSA to sign-on in Office for functionality, license validation,
and use.
Subscription version that do not support multiple users(e.g M365
Personal) has the same above limits as the perpetual(e.g. Home, Home
and Business)edition - single user, one license, one MSA...likewise,
any other user would still need to use the owner of the subscription
MSA to sign-on in Office for functionality, license, validation, and-a use >>
Subscription versions that *do support* multiple users(M365 Family)
can share, and only share with other users that have a Microsoft
account. One could have a user without an MSA, not shared on the
device, but that user like all other editions would still need to
sign-on in Office with the owner MSA for functionality, license
validation, and use.
An internet connection is necessary for sign-on in Microsoft Office.
An internet connection is necessary to update Microsoft Office.
She has been using for six year an office obtained from a friend that
got it from her husband who got it from his company license, I think.
Seems that avenue is not available now. I was not involved.
On 09/21/2026 6:36 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-21 07:59, ....winston wrote:
On 09/20/2026 6:12 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-20 22:10, ....winston wrote:
On 09/20/2026 3:16 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-20 19:36, ....winston wrote:Since Office 2016 All Retail and OEM Office(Perpetual,
On 09/20/2026 8:25 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-20 13:43, Chris wrote:
Right now, I can buy a licence for Win 11 Pro AND Office 2024 >>>>>>>>>> Pro for
use on THREE PCs for -u29.99
-u30 is 35 Euro
@Chris
Not officially you can't. The real price would be north of -u500. >>>>>>>
Depends upon how one looks at the economics.
First, Office Pro 2024 was not an option on Carlos Lenovo link in >>>>>>> his reply.
M365 Office Family was 65 Euro (-u56)
-a-aOne primary user and 5 shared users total
-a-a - one primary user, the same user on 3 pcs is stil 65 Euro(-u56) >>>>>>> -a-a - One primary user and 2 other shared users is 1/3 for each >>>>>>> ~22 Euro(-u19)
-a-a Note: Those are 1st year costs, thereafter normal MSFT renewal >>>>>>> pricing.
-a-a50 Euro is -u43
On the laptop I bought from Lenovo that I mentioned, the prices >>>>>>>> are:
49.50re4 (was 99) for 1 year office 365.
Office 365 needs an MSFT account? Does it need internet to be used? >>>>>>
Single user license but can be used for same MSFT account on
149re4 Office home 2024
different devices, but not at same time since activation server >>>>>>> periodic check may prompt for sign in or sign out indicating
duplicate use at same time.
Can this be a local user without MSFT account?
I'm thinking that this laptop is often used with no internet. And >>>>>> the user is a non-admin, plain user, no MSFT.
See above, same single user license.
254re4 Office home & enterprise 2024, perpetual license
<https://www.lenovo.com/es/es/configurator/cto/?
bundleId=21SRCTO1WWES1>
...
M365[subscription]) require a MSFT Account[MSA] to download,
install, activate, and retain full functionality(i.e. sign-in in
Office with MSA) and periodic license/validity backend verification >>>>> for the digital license.
Exceptions are Volume Licensing and Enterprise
-a-a- activated via the providing organization's server and/or volume >>>>> license using KMS or MAK key activation.
Once activated, use without an internet is possible, though
eventually signon with the 'owner' MSA is still required.
This is a problem, if we want to get a license. The user does not
have a MSA.
Unless we can use an account with an MSA to buy the product, then
use the product with another user (with no MSA) on the same machine.
The MSA that purchases it, is the owner.-a Does not matter of
perpetual or subscription. The license is digital and tied to the MSA
that installs, activates it.
Stand-alone(perpetual editions) as noted are single user, one
license, one MSA. Other users, on the same device, would still need
to use the owner MSA to sign-on in Office for functionality, license
validation, and use.
Subscription version that do not support multiple users(e.g M365
Personal) has the same above limits as the perpetual(e.g. Home, Home
and Business)edition - single user, one license, one MSA...likewise,
any other user would still need to use the owner of the subscription
MSA to sign-on in Office for functionality, license, validation, and
use
Subscription versions that *do support* multiple users(M365 Family)
can share, and only share with other users that have a Microsoft
account. One could have a user without an MSA, not shared on the
device, but that user like all other editions would still need to
sign-on in Office with the owner MSA for functionality, license
validation, and use.
An internet connection is necessary for sign-on in Microsoft Office.
An internet connection is necessary to update Microsoft Office.
She has been using for six year an office obtained from a friend that
got it from her husband who got it from his company license, I think.
Seems that avenue is not available now. I was not involved.
:)
Saved enough money to afford at least one now.
Office 2024 Home goes out of support in Oct 2029, and will continue to function thereafter(at least 3 more years)
$180 U.S. One user, one license, MSA required to activate[1].-a => 6 more years of use is $30 per year.
Her cost over the 6 free years and 6 more is $15 per year.
Having covered the above, there are other options for purchasing
Microsoft Office. Look for reputable retail outlets.
-a- 3rd party resellers that discount Office 2024
-a- 3rd party resellers that discount Office 2024 Professional Plus(some Pro Plus editions are sold as 3 user licenses)
You'll(She'll) still need a MSFT account to install and activate.
-a- when one purchases any version of Office, the key code included is
just a placeholder with a digital link to obtain the software, download,
and receive the actual product key/digital license to install the product.
Lenovo sells you laptops with Windows or Linux installed. Or blank.
On 2026-09-21 17:36, ....winston wrote:
On 09/21/2026 6:36 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-21 07:59, ....winston wrote:
On 09/20/2026 6:12 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-20 22:10, ....winston wrote:
On 09/20/2026 3:16 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-20 19:36, ....winston wrote:Since Office 2016 All Retail and OEM Office(Perpetual,
On 09/20/2026 8:25 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-20 13:43, Chris wrote:
Right now, I can buy a licence for Win 11 Pro AND Office 2024 >>>>>>>>>>> Pro for
use on THREE PCs for -u29.99
-u30 is 35 Euro
@Chris
Not officially you can't. The real price would be north of -u500. >>>>>>>>
Depends upon how one looks at the economics.
First, Office Pro 2024 was not an option on Carlos Lenovo link >>>>>>>> in his reply.
M365 Office Family was 65 Euro (-u56)
-a-aOne primary user and 5 shared users total
-a-a - one primary user, the same user on 3 pcs is stil 65 Euro(-u56) >>>>>>>> -a-a - One primary user and 2 other shared users is 1/3 for each >>>>>>>> ~22 Euro(-u19)
-a-a Note: Those are 1st year costs, thereafter normal MSFT
renewal pricing.
-a-a50 Euro is -u43
On the laptop I bought from Lenovo that I mentioned, the prices >>>>>>>>> are:
49.50re4 (was 99) for 1 year office 365.
Office 365 needs an MSFT account? Does it need internet to be used? >>>>>>>
Single user license but can be used for same MSFT account on
149re4 Office home 2024
different devices, but not at same time since activation server >>>>>>>> periodic check may prompt for sign in or sign out indicating
duplicate use at same time.
Can this be a local user without MSFT account?
I'm thinking that this laptop is often used with no internet. And >>>>>>> the user is a non-admin, plain user, no MSFT.
See above, same single user license.
254re4 Office home & enterprise 2024, perpetual license
<https://www.lenovo.com/es/es/configurator/cto/?
bundleId=21SRCTO1WWES1>
...
M365[subscription]) require a MSFT Account[MSA] to download,
install, activate, and retain full functionality(i.e. sign-in in
Office with MSA) and periodic license/validity backend
verification for the digital license.
Exceptions are Volume Licensing and Enterprise
-a-a- activated via the providing organization's server and/or
volume license using KMS or MAK key activation.
Once activated, use without an internet is possible, though
eventually signon with the 'owner' MSA is still required.
This is a problem, if we want to get a license. The user does not
have a MSA.
Unless we can use an account with an MSA to buy the product, then
use the product with another user (with no MSA) on the same machine. >>>>>
The MSA that purchases it, is the owner.-a Does not matter of
perpetual or subscription. The license is digital and tied to the
MSA that installs, activates it.
Stand-alone(perpetual editions) as noted are single user, one
license, one MSA. Other users, on the same device, would still need
to use the owner MSA to sign-on in Office for functionality, license
validation, and use.
Subscription version that do not support multiple users(e.g M365
Personal) has the same above limits as the perpetual(e.g. Home, Home
and Business)edition - single user, one license, one MSA...likewise,
any other user would still need to use the owner of the subscription
MSA to sign-on in Office for functionality, license, validation, and
use
Subscription versions that *do support* multiple users(M365 Family)
can share, and only share with other users that have a Microsoft
account. One could have a user without an MSA, not shared on the
device, but that user like all other editions would still need to
sign-on in Office with the owner MSA for functionality, license
validation, and use.
An internet connection is necessary for sign-on in Microsoft Office.
An internet connection is necessary to update Microsoft Office.
She has been using for six year an office obtained from a friend that
got it from her husband who got it from his company license, I think.
Seems that avenue is not available now. I was not involved.
:)
Saved enough money to afford at least one now.
Office 2024 Home goes out of support in Oct 2029, and will continue to
function thereafter(at least 3 more years)
-a-a=> $180 U.S. One user, one license, MSA required to activate[1].
-a-a => 6 more years of use is $30 per year.
Her cost over the 6 free years and 6 more is $15 per year.
Having covered the above, there are other options for purchasing
Microsoft Office. Look for reputable retail outlets.
-a-a- 3rd party resellers that discount Office 2024
-a-a- 3rd party resellers that discount Office 2024 Professional
Plus(some Pro Plus editions are sold as 3 user licenses)
You'll(She'll) still need a MSFT account to install and activate.
-a-a- when one purchases any version of Office, the key code included is
just a placeholder with a digital link to obtain the software,
download, and receive the actual product key/digital license to
install the product.
The price looks reasonable to me, but needing a Microsoft account is a blocker.
On 09/21/2026 3:55 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-21 17:36, ....winston wrote:
On 09/21/2026 6:36 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-21 07:59, ....winston wrote:
On 09/20/2026 6:12 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-20 22:10, ....winston wrote:
On 09/20/2026 3:16 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-20 19:36, ....winston wrote:Since Office 2016 All Retail and OEM Office(Perpetual,
On 09/20/2026 8:25 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-20 13:43, Chris wrote:
Right now, I can buy a licence for Win 11 Pro AND Office >>>>>>>>>>>> 2024 Pro for
use on THREE PCs for -u29.99
-u30 is 35 Euro
@Chris
Not officially you can't. The real price would be north of -u500. >>>>>>>>>
Depends upon how one looks at the economics.
First, Office Pro 2024 was not an option on Carlos Lenovo link >>>>>>>>> in his reply.
M365 Office Family was 65 Euro (-u56)
-a-aOne primary user and 5 shared users total
-a-a - one primary user, the same user on 3 pcs is stil 65 Euro(-u56) >>>>>>>>> -a-a - One primary user and 2 other shared users is 1/3 for each >>>>>>>>> ~22 Euro(-u19)
-a-a Note: Those are 1st year costs, thereafter normal MSFT >>>>>>>>> renewal pricing.
-a-a50 Euro is -u43
On the laptop I bought from Lenovo that I mentioned, the
prices are:
49.50re4 (was 99) for 1 year office 365.
Office 365 needs an MSFT account? Does it need internet to be used? >>>>>>>>
Single user license but can be used for same MSFT account on >>>>>>>>> different devices, but not at same time since activation server >>>>>>>>> periodic check may prompt for sign in or sign out indicating >>>>>>>>> duplicate use at same time.
149re4 Office home 2024
Can this be a local user without MSFT account?
I'm thinking that this laptop is often used with no internet. >>>>>>>> And the user is a non-admin, plain user, no MSFT.
See above, same single user license.
254re4 Office home & enterprise 2024, perpetual license
<https://www.lenovo.com/es/es/configurator/cto/?
bundleId=21SRCTO1WWES1>
...
M365[subscription]) require a MSFT Account[MSA] to download,
install, activate, and retain full functionality(i.e. sign-in in >>>>>>> Office with MSA) and periodic license/validity backend
verification for the digital license.
Exceptions are Volume Licensing and Enterprise
-a-a- activated via the providing organization's server and/or
volume license using KMS or MAK key activation.
Once activated, use without an internet is possible, though
eventually signon with the 'owner' MSA is still required.
This is a problem, if we want to get a license. The user does not >>>>>> have a MSA.
Unless we can use an account with an MSA to buy the product, then >>>>>> use the product with another user (with no MSA) on the same machine. >>>>>>
The MSA that purchases it, is the owner.-a Does not matter of
perpetual or subscription. The license is digital and tied to the
MSA that installs, activates it.
Stand-alone(perpetual editions) as noted are single user, one
license, one MSA. Other users, on the same device, would still need >>>>> to use the owner MSA to sign-on in Office for functionality,
license validation, and use.
Subscription version that do not support multiple users(e.g M365
Personal) has the same above limits as the perpetual(e.g. Home,
Home and Business)edition - single user, one license, one
MSA...likewise, any other user would still need to use the owner of >>>>> the subscription MSA to sign-on in Office for functionality,
license, validation, and use
Subscription versions that *do support* multiple users(M365 Family) >>>>> can share, and only share with other users that have a Microsoft
account. One could have a user without an MSA, not shared on the
device, but that user like all other editions would still need to
sign-on in Office with the owner MSA for functionality, license
validation, and use.
An internet connection is necessary for sign-on in Microsoft Office. >>>>> An internet connection is necessary to update Microsoft Office.
She has been using for six year an office obtained from a friend
that got it from her husband who got it from his company license, I
think. Seems that avenue is not available now. I was not involved.
:)
Saved enough money to afford at least one now.
Office 2024 Home goes out of support in Oct 2029, and will continue
to function thereafter(at least 3 more years)
-a-a=> $180 U.S. One user, one license, MSA required to activate[1].
-a-a => 6 more years of use is $30 per year.
Her cost over the 6 free years and 6 more is $15 per year.
Having covered the above, there are other options for purchasing
Microsoft Office. Look for reputable retail outlets.
-a-a- 3rd party resellers that discount Office 2024
-a-a- 3rd party resellers that discount Office 2024 Professional
Plus(some Pro Plus editions are sold as 3 user licenses)
You'll(She'll) still need a MSFT account to install and activate.
-a-a- when one purchases any version of Office, the key code included
is just a placeholder with a digital link to obtain the software,
download, and receive the actual product key/digital license to
install the product.
The price looks reasonable to me, but needing a Microsoft account is a
blocker.
If Office is necessary, there is no other choice.
-aDownload and digital licensing with a Microsoft Account is required.
-a => disc media is no longer available.
Curio: How do people air gaped installations nowdays?
On 2026-09-22 16:19, ....winston wrote:
On 09/21/2026 3:55 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-21 17:36, ....winston wrote:
On 09/21/2026 6:36 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-21 07:59, ....winston wrote:
On 09/20/2026 6:12 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-20 22:10, ....winston wrote:
On 09/20/2026 3:16 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-20 19:36, ....winston wrote:Since Office 2016 All Retail and OEM Office(Perpetual,
On 09/20/2026 8:25 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-09-20 13:43, Chris wrote:
Right now, I can buy a licence for Win 11 Pro AND Office >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2024 Pro for
use on THREE PCs for -u29.99
-u30 is 35 Euro
Not officially you can't. The real price would be north of >>>>>>>>>>>> -u500.
@Chris
Depends upon how one looks at the economics.
First, Office Pro 2024 was not an option on Carlos Lenovo link >>>>>>>>>> in his reply.
M365 Office Family was 65 Euro (-u56)
-a-aOne primary user and 5 shared users total
-a-a - one primary user, the same user on 3 pcs is stil 65 >>>>>>>>>> Euro(-u56)
-a-a - One primary user and 2 other shared users is 1/3 for each >>>>>>>>>> ~22 Euro(-u19)
-a-a Note: Those are 1st year costs, thereafter normal MSFT >>>>>>>>>> renewal pricing.
-a-a50 Euro is -u43
On the laptop I bought from Lenovo that I mentioned, the >>>>>>>>>>> prices are:
49.50re4 (was 99) for 1 year office 365.
Office 365 needs an MSFT account? Does it need internet to be >>>>>>>>> used?
Single user license but can be used for same MSFT account on >>>>>>>>>> different devices, but not at same time since activation
149re4 Office home 2024
server periodic check may prompt for sign in or sign out
indicating duplicate use at same time.
Can this be a local user without MSFT account?
I'm thinking that this laptop is often used with no internet. >>>>>>>>> And the user is a non-admin, plain user, no MSFT.
See above, same single user license.
254re4 Office home & enterprise 2024, perpetual license
<https://www.lenovo.com/es/es/configurator/cto/?
bundleId=21SRCTO1WWES1>
...
M365[subscription]) require a MSFT Account[MSA] to download,
install, activate, and retain full functionality(i.e. sign-in in >>>>>>>> Office with MSA) and periodic license/validity backend
verification for the digital license.
Exceptions are Volume Licensing and Enterprise
-a-a- activated via the providing organization's server and/or >>>>>>>> volume license using KMS or MAK key activation.
Once activated, use without an internet is possible, though
eventually signon with the 'owner' MSA is still required.
This is a problem, if we want to get a license. The user does not >>>>>>> have a MSA.
Unless we can use an account with an MSA to buy the product, then >>>>>>> use the product with another user (with no MSA) on the same machine. >>>>>>>
The MSA that purchases it, is the owner.-a Does not matter of
perpetual or subscription. The license is digital and tied to the >>>>>> MSA that installs, activates it.
Stand-alone(perpetual editions) as noted are single user, one
license, one MSA. Other users, on the same device, would still
need to use the owner MSA to sign-on in Office for functionality, >>>>>> license validation, and use.
Subscription version that do not support multiple users(e.g M365
Personal) has the same above limits as the perpetual(e.g. Home,
Home and Business)edition - single user, one license, one
MSA...likewise, any other user would still need to use the owner
of the subscription MSA to sign-on in Office for functionality,
license, validation, and use
Subscription versions that *do support* multiple users(M365
Family) can share, and only share with other users that have a
Microsoft account. One could have a user without an MSA, not
shared on the device, but that user like all other editions would >>>>>> still need to sign-on in Office with the owner MSA for
functionality, license validation, and use.
An internet connection is necessary for sign-on in Microsoft Office. >>>>>> An internet connection is necessary to update Microsoft Office.
She has been using for six year an office obtained from a friend
that got it from her husband who got it from his company license, I >>>>> think. Seems that avenue is not available now. I was not involved.
:)
Saved enough money to afford at least one now.
Office 2024 Home goes out of support in Oct 2029, and will continue
to function thereafter(at least 3 more years)
-a-a=> $180 U.S. One user, one license, MSA required to activate[1].
-a-a => 6 more years of use is $30 per year.
Her cost over the 6 free years and 6 more is $15 per year.
Having covered the above, there are other options for purchasing
Microsoft Office. Look for reputable retail outlets.
-a-a- 3rd party resellers that discount Office 2024
-a-a- 3rd party resellers that discount Office 2024 Professional
Plus(some Pro Plus editions are sold as 3 user licenses)
You'll(She'll) still need a MSFT account to install and activate.
-a-a- when one purchases any version of Office, the key code included >>>> is just a placeholder with a digital link to obtain the software,
download, and receive the actual product key/digital license to
install the product.
The price looks reasonable to me, but needing a Microsoft account is
a blocker.
If Office is necessary, there is no other choice.
-a-aDownload and digital licensing with a Microsoft Account is required.
-a-a => disc media is no longer available.
I'll put that over to my friend.
I had a look at Amazon. Found two of interest (it is the Spanish site,
but you can switch language to English)
<https://www.amazon.es/dp/B0DK2C75QK/>
MS Office Home 2024
143re4
Now, on the comments I see that this is NOT MS Office. One has to look
very carefully. If it is not MSO then we'll stay on LO.
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