The personal information needed to obtain a credit card is held by the
bank that issued that card. This would be information such as date of
birth, address, income, etc.
That data is not provided to Apple. All Apple needs to know is that
you are at least 18 years old, and simply having credit card is
sufficient proof of that.
Chris in Makati, 2026-04-01 05:21:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 12:28:04 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
wrote:
Chris in Makati, 2026-03-31 03:20:
On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 12:00:16 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> >>>> wrote:[...]
It's not only about age verification - you also have to identify with >>>>> your personal ID and big companies can track all your activities even >>>>> better, since you have *verified* that it is you and not someone else >>>>> using your devices.
I didn't need to provide any personal ID. Apple just verified my age
by determining that I had credit cards enrolled in my Apple Wallet.
Where does one get credit cards anonymously?
I have no idea. Why do you want that? None of mine are anonymous.
I don't want that - but when Apple verifies the age by determining the enrollment of a credit card in Apple Wallet, it knows the personal information as well. It is part of the credit card. So there is no age verification without Apple knowing the personal information.
On 2026-04-01 08:07, Arno Welzel wrote:
Chris in Makati, 2026-04-01 05:21:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 12:28:04 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
wrote:
Chris in Makati, 2026-03-31 03:20:
On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 12:00:16 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> >>>>> wrote:[...]
It's not only about age verification - you also have to identify with >>>>>> your personal ID and big companies can track all your activities even >>>>>> better, since you have *verified* that it is you and not someone else >>>>>> using your devices.
I didn't need to provide any personal ID. Apple just verified my age >>>>> by determining that I had credit cards enrolled in my Apple Wallet.
Where does one get credit cards anonymously?
I have no idea. Why do you want that? None of mine are anonymous.
I don't want that - but when Apple verifies the age by determining the
enrollment of a credit card in Apple Wallet, it knows the personal
information as well. It is part of the credit card. So there is no age
verification without Apple knowing the personal information.
Apple knowing doesn't mean that Apple shares that information with the
site or app that request if you are of age.
Apple knowing doesn't mean that Apple shares that information withthe site or app that request if you are of age.
Chris in Makati, 2026-04-04 01:53:
[...]
The personal information needed to obtain a credit card is held by the
bank that issued that card. This would be information such as date of
birth, address, income, etc.
That data is not provided to Apple. All Apple needs to know is that
you are at least 18 years old, and simply having credit card is
sufficient proof of that.
In case of a legal dispute anyone can enforce the release of personal >connected to the credit card registered in the Apple wallet. This would
just not be possible, if there was no credit card information at all >connected to the Apple account. Also at least the name of the credit
card holder is also known to Apple, if you enroll a credit card in Apple >wallet.
It's quite naive to think, that you stay completely anonymous for Apple
even if you enroll a credit card there.
On Mon, 6 Apr 2026 21:57:18 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
wrote:
Chris in Makati, 2026-04-04 01:53:
[...]
The personal information needed to obtain a credit card is held by the
bank that issued that card. This would be information such as date of
birth, address, income, etc.
That data is not provided to Apple. All Apple needs to know is that
you are at least 18 years old, and simply having credit card is
sufficient proof of that.
In case of a legal dispute anyone can enforce the release of personal
connected to the credit card registered in the Apple wallet. This would
just not be possible, if there was no credit card information at all
connected to the Apple account. Also at least the name of the credit
card holder is also known to Apple, if you enroll a credit card in Apple
wallet.
It's quite naive to think, that you stay completely anonymous for Apple
even if you enroll a credit card there.
That's a completely different situation from what you originally
described.
You initially stated that "when Apple verifies the age by determining
the enrollment of a credit card in Apple Wallet, it knows the personal information as well." That claim is inaccurate.
In any case, the personal information in question would not be held by
Apple, but by the bank that issued the credit card. That data is
protected under applicable data protection laws and is not disclosed
unless legally required.
Apple knowing doesn't mean that Apple shares that information with
the site or app that request if you are of age.
I went to our tax office to get new license plates the other day and
they have a sign up that says: 'No Apple pay accepted'.
Chris in Makati, 2026-04-07 05:23:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2026 21:57:18 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
wrote:
Chris in Makati, 2026-04-04 01:53:
[...]
The personal information needed to obtain a credit card is held by the >>>> bank that issued that card. This would be information such as date of
birth, address, income, etc.
That data is not provided to Apple. All Apple needs to know is that
you are at least 18 years old, and simply having credit card is
sufficient proof of that.
In case of a legal dispute anyone can enforce the release of personal
connected to the credit card registered in the Apple wallet. This would
just not be possible, if there was no credit card information at all
connected to the Apple account. Also at least the name of the credit
card holder is also known to Apple, if you enroll a credit card in Apple >>> wallet.
It's quite naive to think, that you stay completely anonymous for Apple
even if you enroll a credit card there.
That's a completely different situation from what you originally
described.
You initially stated that "when Apple verifies the age by determining
the enrollment of a credit card in Apple Wallet, it knows the personal
information as well." That claim is inaccurate.
No, it is not. Before you enroll a credit card, Apple does not know
anything about you. You can claim to be Alfred E. Neumann and just use
their services.
In any case, the personal information in question would not be held by
Apple, but by the bank that issued the credit card. That data is
protected under applicable data protection laws and is not disclosed
unless legally required.
Exactly - but when you don't enroll a credit card, there is no personal information at all connected to that Apple account.
On 2026-04-07 08:31, Arno Welzel wrote:[...]
Chris in Makati, 2026-04-07 05:23:
You initially stated that "when Apple verifies the age by determining
the enrollment of a credit card in Apple Wallet, it knows the personal
information as well." That claim is inaccurate.
No, it is not. Before you enroll a credit card, Apple does not know
anything about you. You can claim to be Alfred E. Neumann and just use
their services.
The credit card can belong to another person. For example, to a parent
that pays the expenses.
On 2026-04-07 03:21, Fritz Wuehler wrote:
Apple knowing doesn't mean that Apple shares that information with
the site or app that request if you are of age.
I went to our tax office to get new license plates the other day and
they have a sign up that says: 'No Apple pay accepted'.
Good :-) I use Android and Google Pay :-)
Chris in Makati, 2026-04-07 05:23:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2026 21:57:18 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
wrote:
Chris in Makati, 2026-04-04 01:53:
[...]
The personal information needed to obtain a credit card is held by the >>>> bank that issued that card. This would be information such as date of
birth, address, income, etc.
That data is not provided to Apple. All Apple needs to know is that
you are at least 18 years old, and simply having credit card is
sufficient proof of that.
In case of a legal dispute anyone can enforce the release of personal
connected to the credit card registered in the Apple wallet. This would
just not be possible, if there was no credit card information at all
connected to the Apple account. Also at least the name of the credit
card holder is also known to Apple, if you enroll a credit card in Apple >>> wallet.
It's quite naive to think, that you stay completely anonymous for Apple
even if you enroll a credit card there.
That's a completely different situation from what you originally
described.
You initially stated that "when Apple verifies the age by determining
the enrollment of a credit card in Apple Wallet, it knows the personal
information as well." That claim is inaccurate.
No, it is not. Before you enroll a credit card, Apple does not know
anything about you. You can claim to be Alfred E. Neumann and just use
their services.
In any case, the personal information in question would not be held by
Apple, but by the bank that issued the credit card. That data is
protected under applicable data protection laws and is not disclosed
unless legally required.
Exactly - but when you don't enroll a credit card, there is no personal information at all connected to that Apple account.
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-04-07 03:21, Fritz Wuehler wrote:
Apple knowing doesn't mean that Apple shares that information with
the site or app that request if you are of age.
I went to our tax office to get new license plates the other day and
they have a sign up that says: 'No Apple pay accepted'.
Good :-) I use Android and Google Pay :-)
And that's better how, exactly?
Because it hurts Apple!!!
I have never owned anything Apple and never will.
Because it hurts Apple!!!
I have never owned anything Apple and never will.
The best way to hurt apple is to get a Graphene OS phone or a
Braxman privacy phone...
https://grapheneos.org/
https://www.braxtech.net/
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