From Newsgroup: alt.politics.usa

The tale of 9/11 will just not go away, largely because it is clear to
anyone who reads the lengthy 9/11 Commission Report that many issues
that should have been subject to inquiry were ignored for what would
appear to be political reasons. The George W. Bush Administration
quite obviously did not want to assume any blame for what had happened
and that bias also extended to providing cover for U.S. oallies,o most particularly Saudi Arabia and Israel. Those who have sought the truth
about 9/11 have been persistent in their attempts to find out
information that was suppressed but they have been blocked repeatedly
in spite of numerous FOIA requests.

Now, eighteen years after the event, there has been something like a breakthrough, penetrating the wall of silence erected by the
government. FBI reports on the possible Israeli role in 9/11 were
released on May 7th and they serve to support speculation by myself
and other former intelligence officers that Israel, at a minimum, had
detailed prior knowledge of what was to take place. More than that,
Israeli intelligence officers working in the United States might well
have enabled certain aspects of the conspiracy.

To recount some of what is already known and suspected, one should
first examine the 2016 release of a heavily edited and redacted 28
pages long annex to the 9/11 Commission Report that explored the Saudi
Arabian role in the terrorist attack . The section concluded that the
Saudi government may have played a direct role in 9/11 by assisting
two of the hijackers, including a dry run exercise intended to learn
how to get into a planeAs cockpit. There was also considerable
evidence suggesting that wealthy Saudis and even members of the Royal
Family had been supporting and funding al-Qaeda.

But far exceeding the Saudi role is the involvement of the Israeli
intelligence service Mossad, which was not subject to any serious
inquiry or investigation by U.S. intelligence or police agencies.
Israel, in spite of obvious involvement in 9/11, was not included in
the 9/11 Commission Report despite the existence of an enormous
Israeli intelligence operation freely working in the United States
that was known to the FBI. Some of those Mossad officers were notably
filmed celebrating as the Twin Towers were burning and collapsing.

In the year 2001 Israel was running a massive spying operation through
a number of cover companies in New Jersey, Florida and also on the
west coast that served as spying mechanisms for Mossad officers. The
effort was supported by the Mossad Station in Washington D.C. and
included a large number of volunteers, the so-called oart studentso
who traveled around the U.S. selling various products at malls and
outdoor markets. The FBI was aware of the numerous Israeli students
who were routinely overstaying their visas and some in the Bureau
certainly believed that they were assisting their countryAs
intelligence service in some way, but it proved difficult to actually
link the students to undercover operations, so they were regarded as a
minor nuisance and were normally left to the tender mercies of the
inspectors at the Bureau of Customs and Immigration.

American law enforcement was also painfully aware that the Israelis
were running more sophisticated intelligence operations inside the
United States, many of which were focused on WashingtonAs military
capabilities and intentions. Some specialized intelligence units
concentrated on obtaining military and dual use technology. It was
also known that Israeli spies had penetrated the phone systems of the
U.S. government, to include those at the White House.

In its annual classified counterespionage review, the FBI invariably
places Israel at the top for ofriendlyo countries that spy on the U.S.
In fact, the pre-9/11 Bureau did its best to stay on top of the
problem, but it rarely received any political support from the Justice Department and White House if an espionage case involved Israelis. By
one estimate, more than 100 such cases were not prosecuted for
political reasons. Any Israeli caught in flagrante would most often be
quietly deported and most Americans who were helping Israel were let
off with a slap on the wrist.

But the hands-off attitude towards Israel shifted dramatically when,
on September 11, 2001, a New Jersey housewife saw something from the
window of her apartment building, which overlooked the World Trade
Center. She watched as the buildings burned and crumbled but also
noted something strange. Three young men were kneeling on the roof of
a white transit van parked by the waterAs edge, making a movie in
which they featured themselves high fiving and laughing in front of
the catastrophic scene unfolding behind them. The woman wrote down the
license plate number of the van and called the police, who responded
quickly and soon both the local force and the FBI began looking for
the vehicle, which was subsequently seen by other witnesses in various locations along the New Jersey waterfront, its occupants ocelebrating
and filming.o

The license plate number revealed that the van belonged to a New
Jersey registered company called Urban Moving Systems. At 4 p.m. the
vehicle was spotted and pulled over. Five men between the ages of 22
and 27 years old emerged and were detained at gunpoint and handcuffed.
They were all Israelis. One of them had $4,700 in cash hidden in his
sock and another had two foreign passports. Bomb sniffing dogs reacted
to the smell of explosives in the van, which had very little actual
moving equipment inside.

According to the initial police report, the driver identified as Sivan Kurzberg, stated oWe are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your
problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.o The four
other passengers were SivanAs brother Paul, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner
and Omer Marmari. The men were detained at the Bergen County jail in
New Jersey before being transferred the FBIAs Foreign
Counterintelligence Section, which handles allegations of spying.

After the arrest, the FBI obtained a warrant to search Urban Moving
SystemAs Weehawken, N.J., offices. Papers and computers were seized.
The company owner Dominick Suter, also an Israeli, answered FBI
questions but when a follow-up interview was set up a few days later
it was learned that he had fled the country for Israel, putting both
his business and home up for sale. The office space and warehouse were abandoned. It was later learned that Suter has been associated with at
least fourteen businesses in the United States, mostly in New Jersey
and New York but also in Florida. Suter and his wife Omit Levinson
Suter were the owners of 1 Stop Cleaner located in Wellington Florida
and Dominick was also associated with Basia McDonnell, described as a
Polish oholocaust survivor,o as a business partner in yet another
business called Value Ad. Florida was a main focus for the Israeli
intelligence operation in the U.S. that was directed against Arabs.

The five Israelis were among 140 Israelis arrested after 9/11, most of
whom had military backgrounds, including some who were trained in ointelligence.o The five were held in Brooklyn, initially on charges
relating to visa fraud. FBI interrogators questioned them for more
than two months. Several were held in solitary confinement so they
could not communicate with each other and two of them were given
repeated polygraph exams, which they failed when claiming that they
were nothing more than students working summer jobs. The two men that
the FBI focused on most intensively were believed to be Mossad staff
officers and the other three were volunteers helping with
surveillance.

The Israelis were not exactly cooperative, but the FBI concluded from
documents obtained at their office in Weehawken that they were
targeting Arabs in New York and New Jersey, most particularly in the
Paterson N.J. area, which has the second largest Muslim population in
the U.S. They were particularly interested in local groups possibly
linked to Hamas and Hezbollah as well as in charities that might be
used for fund raising. The FBI also concluded that the Israelis had
actually monitored the activities of at least two of the 9/11
hijackers.

To be sure, working on an intelligence operation does not necessarily
imply participation in either the planning or execution of something
like 9/11, but there are Israeli fingerprints all over the place, with
cover companies and intelligence personnel often intersecting with
locations frequented by the hijackers.

Apart from the interrogations of the five men from Weehawken, the U.S. government has apparently never sought to find out what else the
Israelis might have known or were up to in September 2011. There are a
lot of dots that might well have been connected once upon a time, but
the trail has grown cold. Police records in New Jersey and New York
where the men were held have disappeared and FBI interrogation reports
have been inaccessible. Media coverage of the case also died, though
the five were referred to in the press as the odancing Israeliso and
by some, more disparagingly, as the odancing Shlomos.o

Inevitably, the George W. Bush White House intervened. After 71 days
in detention, the five Israelis were released from prison by Attorney
General John Ashcroft, put on a plane, and deported. Two of the men
later spoke about their unpleasant experience in America on an Israeli
talk show, one explaining that their filming the fall of the Twin
Towers was to odocument the event.o In 2004 the five men sued the
United States government for damages, alleging othat their detention
was illegal and that their civil rights were violated, suffering
racial slurs, physical violence, religious discrimination, rough interrogations, deprivation of sleep, and many other offenses.o They
were represented by Nitsana Darshan-Leitner, who in the previous year
had founded the Shurat HaDin Israel Law Center which seeks to bankrupt
groups that Israel considers to be oterrorists.o Shurat HaDin is
closely tied to the Israeli government.

Now it is just possible that the Urban Moving Israelis were indeed
uninvolved in 9/11 but nevertheless working for Mossad, which the
Israeli government even subsequently admitted, but the new evidence
suggests that the Israelis almost certainly had considerable prior
knowledge and were likely involved in what developed. The new
information reveals that minutes after the first plane struck the
World Trade Center, five Israelis had taken up position in the parking
lot of the Doric Apartment Complex in Union City, New Jersey, where
they took pictures and filmed the attacks while also celebrating the
fall of the towers and ohigh fiving.o One eyewitness interviewed by
the Bureau had seen the IsraelisA van circling the building parking at
8:00 a.m. that day, more than 40 minutes prior to the attack,
indicating prior knowledge of what was about to happen.

The eyewitness testimony is supported by copies of photos taken by the
men that the FBI seized. The photo reproductions were obtained via a
FOIA request made by a private citizen and are of poor quality,
deliberately made so by the FBI to conceal faces and other details.
They constitute only 14 of over seventy photos taken by the Israelis. Nevertheless, they clearly demonstrate that a celebration was going
on. One photo, intriguingly, shows Sivan Kurzberg holding a lit
lighter in front of the Manhattan Skyline on September 10th, one day
before 9/11. It was apparently taken at the Doric Complex on a
reconnoitering visit made on that day and suggests that Kurzberg was
simulating the attack on the towers on the following day.

Why would the Israelis do it? Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin
Netanyahu described 9/11 initially as oa good thing.o He was later
quoted as saying somewhat more expansively oWe are benefiting from one
thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the
American struggle in Iraq.o To be sure, 9/11 was a gift to Israel and
it is a gift that keeps on giving. America is at war in a number of
Muslim countries and its troops blanket the Middle East, to include a
base in Israel dedicated to the defense of that country. It is all a
result of the Global War on Terror and the GWOT started with 9/11. And
just maybe it was a fire that was ignited by Israel.

https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-role-in-9-11/


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On Sat, 26 Sep 2026, NefeshBarYochai wrote:

The tale of 9/11 will just not go away, largely because it is clear to
anyone who reads the lengthy 9/11 Commission Report that many issues
that should have been subject to inquiry were ignored for what would
appear to be political reasons.

The entire Report was a Red Herring ghost-written by Edelman Public
Affairs.
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Geez ... STILL ???

Go suck yer faceless Ayatollah.

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On 2026-09-26 1:36 p.m., NefeshBarYochai wrote:

The tale of 9/11 will just not go away, largely because it is clear to
anyone who reads the lengthy 9/11 Commission Report that many issues
that should have been subject to inquiry were ignored for what would
appear to be political reasons. The George W. Bush Administration
quite obviously did not want to assume any blame for what had happened
and that bias also extended to providing cover for U.S. rCLallies,rCY most particularly Saudi Arabia and Israel. Those who have sought the truth
about 9/11 have been persistent in their attempts to find out
information that was suppressed but they have been blocked repeatedly
in spite of numerous FOIA requests.

Now, eighteen years after the event, there has been something like a breakthrough, penetrating the wall of silence erected by the
government. FBI reports on the possible Israeli role in 9/11 were
released on May 7th and they serve to support speculation by myself
and other former intelligence officers that Israel, at a minimum, had detailed prior knowledge of what was to take place. More than that,
Israeli intelligence officers working in the United States might well
have enabled certain aspects of the conspiracy.

To recount some of what is already known and suspected, one should
first examine the 2016 release of a heavily edited and redacted 28
pages long annex to the 9/11 Commission Report that explored the Saudi Arabian role in the terrorist attack . The section concluded that the
Saudi government may have played a direct role in 9/11 by assisting
two of the hijackers, including a dry run exercise intended to learn
how to get into a planerCOs cockpit. There was also considerable
evidence suggesting that wealthy Saudis and even members of the Royal
Family had been supporting and funding al-Qaeda.

But far exceeding the Saudi role is the involvement of the Israeli intelligence service Mossad, which was not subject to any serious
inquiry or investigation by U.S. intelligence or police agencies.
Israel, in spite of obvious involvement in 9/11, was not included in
the 9/11 Commission Report despite the existence of an enormous
Israeli intelligence operation freely working in the United States
that was known to the FBI. Some of those Mossad officers were notably
filmed celebrating as the Twin Towers were burning and collapsing.

In the year 2001 Israel was running a massive spying operation through
a number of cover companies in New Jersey, Florida and also on the
west coast that served as spying mechanisms for Mossad officers. The
effort was supported by the Mossad Station in Washington D.C. and
included a large number of volunteers, the so-called rCLart studentsrCY
who traveled around the U.S. selling various products at malls and
outdoor markets. The FBI was aware of the numerous Israeli students
who were routinely overstaying their visas and some in the Bureau
certainly believed that they were assisting their countryrCOs
intelligence service in some way, but it proved difficult to actually
link the students to undercover operations, so they were regarded as a
minor nuisance and were normally left to the tender mercies of the
inspectors at the Bureau of Customs and Immigration.

American law enforcement was also painfully aware that the Israelis
were running more sophisticated intelligence operations inside the
United States, many of which were focused on WashingtonrCOs military capabilities and intentions. Some specialized intelligence units
concentrated on obtaining military and dual use technology. It was
also known that Israeli spies had penetrated the phone systems of the
U.S. government, to include those at the White House.

In its annual classified counterespionage review, the FBI invariably
places Israel at the top for rCLfriendlyrCY countries that spy on the U.S.
In fact, the pre-9/11 Bureau did its best to stay on top of the
problem, but it rarely received any political support from the Justice Department and White House if an espionage case involved Israelis. By
one estimate, more than 100 such cases were not prosecuted for
political reasons. Any Israeli caught in flagrante would most often be quietly deported and most Americans who were helping Israel were let
off with a slap on the wrist.

But the hands-off attitude towards Israel shifted dramatically when,
on September 11, 2001, a New Jersey housewife saw something from the
window of her apartment building, which overlooked the World Trade
Center. She watched as the buildings burned and crumbled but also
noted something strange. Three young men were kneeling on the roof of
a white transit van parked by the waterrCOs edge, making a movie in
which they featured themselves high fiving and laughing in front of
the catastrophic scene unfolding behind them. The woman wrote down the license plate number of the van and called the police, who responded
quickly and soon both the local force and the FBI began looking for
the vehicle, which was subsequently seen by other witnesses in various locations along the New Jersey waterfront, its occupants rCLcelebrating
and filming.rCY

The license plate number revealed that the van belonged to a New
Jersey registered company called Urban Moving Systems. At 4 p.m. the
vehicle was spotted and pulled over. Five men between the ages of 22
and 27 years old emerged and were detained at gunpoint and handcuffed.
They were all Israelis. One of them had $4,700 in cash hidden in his
sock and another had two foreign passports. Bomb sniffing dogs reacted
to the smell of explosives in the van, which had very little actual
moving equipment inside.

According to the initial police report, the driver identified as Sivan Kurzberg, stated rCLWe are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your
problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.rCY The four other passengers were SivanrCOs brother Paul, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner
and Omer Marmari. The men were detained at the Bergen County jail in
New Jersey before being transferred the FBIrCOs Foreign
Counterintelligence Section, which handles allegations of spying.

After the arrest, the FBI obtained a warrant to search Urban Moving SystemrCOs Weehawken, N.J., offices. Papers and computers were seized.
The company owner Dominick Suter, also an Israeli, answered FBI
questions but when a follow-up interview was set up a few days later
it was learned that he had fled the country for Israel, putting both
his business and home up for sale. The office space and warehouse were abandoned. It was later learned that Suter has been associated with at
least fourteen businesses in the United States, mostly in New Jersey
and New York but also in Florida. Suter and his wife Omit Levinson
Suter were the owners of 1 Stop Cleaner located in Wellington Florida
and Dominick was also associated with Basia McDonnell, described as a
Polish rCLholocaust survivor,rCY as a business partner in yet another business called Value Ad. Florida was a main focus for the Israeli intelligence operation in the U.S. that was directed against Arabs.

The five Israelis were among 140 Israelis arrested after 9/11, most of
whom had military backgrounds, including some who were trained in rCLintelligence.rCY The five were held in Brooklyn, initially on charges relating to visa fraud. FBI interrogators questioned them for more
than two months. Several were held in solitary confinement so they
could not communicate with each other and two of them were given
repeated polygraph exams, which they failed when claiming that they
were nothing more than students working summer jobs. The two men that
the FBI focused on most intensively were believed to be Mossad staff
officers and the other three were volunteers helping with
surveillance.

The Israelis were not exactly cooperative, but the FBI concluded from documents obtained at their office in Weehawken that they were
targeting Arabs in New York and New Jersey, most particularly in the
Paterson N.J. area, which has the second largest Muslim population in
the U.S. They were particularly interested in local groups possibly
linked to Hamas and Hezbollah as well as in charities that might be
used for fund raising. The FBI also concluded that the Israelis had
actually monitored the activities of at least two of the 9/11
hijackers.

To be sure, working on an intelligence operation does not necessarily
imply participation in either the planning or execution of something
like 9/11, but there are Israeli fingerprints all over the place, with
cover companies and intelligence personnel often intersecting with
locations frequented by the hijackers.

Apart from the interrogations of the five men from Weehawken, the U.S. government has apparently never sought to find out what else the
Israelis might have known or were up to in September 2011. There are a
lot of dots that might well have been connected once upon a time, but
the trail has grown cold. Police records in New Jersey and New York
where the men were held have disappeared and FBI interrogation reports
have been inaccessible. Media coverage of the case also died, though
the five were referred to in the press as the rCLdancing IsraelisrCY and
by some, more disparagingly, as the rCLdancing Shlomos.rCY

Inevitably, the George W. Bush White House intervened. After 71 days
in detention, the five Israelis were released from prison by Attorney
General John Ashcroft, put on a plane, and deported. Two of the men
later spoke about their unpleasant experience in America on an Israeli
talk show, one explaining that their filming the fall of the Twin
Towers was to rCLdocument the event.rCY In 2004 the five men sued the
United States government for damages, alleging rCLthat their detention
was illegal and that their civil rights were violated, suffering
racial slurs, physical violence, religious discrimination, rough interrogations, deprivation of sleep, and many other offenses.rCY They
were represented by Nitsana Darshan-Leitner, who in the previous year
had founded the Shurat HaDin Israel Law Center which seeks to bankrupt
groups that Israel considers to be rCLterrorists.rCY Shurat HaDin is
closely tied to the Israeli government.

Now it is just possible that the Urban Moving Israelis were indeed
uninvolved in 9/11 but nevertheless working for Mossad, which the
Israeli government even subsequently admitted, but the new evidence
suggests that the Israelis almost certainly had considerable prior
knowledge and were likely involved in what developed. The new
information reveals that minutes after the first plane struck the
World Trade Center, five Israelis had taken up position in the parking
lot of the Doric Apartment Complex in Union City, New Jersey, where
they took pictures and filmed the attacks while also celebrating the
fall of the towers and rCLhigh fiving.rCY One eyewitness interviewed by
the Bureau had seen the IsraelisrCO van circling the building parking at
8:00 a.m. that day, more than 40 minutes prior to the attack,
indicating prior knowledge of what was about to happen.

The eyewitness testimony is supported by copies of photos taken by the
men that the FBI seized. The photo reproductions were obtained via a
FOIA request made by a private citizen and are of poor quality,
deliberately made so by the FBI to conceal faces and other details.
They constitute only 14 of over seventy photos taken by the Israelis. Nevertheless, they clearly demonstrate that a celebration was going
on. One photo, intriguingly, shows Sivan Kurzberg holding a lit
lighter in front of the Manhattan Skyline on September 10th, one day
before 9/11. It was apparently taken at the Doric Complex on a
reconnoitering visit made on that day and suggests that Kurzberg was simulating the attack on the towers on the following day.

Why would the Israelis do it? Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin
Netanyahu described 9/11 initially as rCLa good thing.rCY He was later
quoted as saying somewhat more expansively rCLWe are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.rCY To be sure, 9/11 was a gift to Israel and
it is a gift that keeps on giving. America is at war in a number of
Muslim countries and its troops blanket the Middle East, to include a
base in Israel dedicated to the defense of that country. It is all a
result of the Global War on Terror and the GWOT started with 9/11. And
just maybe it was a fire that was ignited by Israel.

https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-role-in-9-11/

israeli role in 9/11 is very plausible, they have interfered in American politics many times in many ways.

Its been said they also had a hand in the assassination of JFK. He did
not see eye to eye with them and did not deliver all they wanted.


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On 2026-09-27 10:34 a.m., Lane W wrote:

TruthBarker wrote:

On 2026-09-26 1:36 p.m., NefeshBarYochai wrote:

The tale of 9/11 will just not go away, largely because it is clear to
anyone who reads the lengthy 9/11 Commission Report that many issues
that should have been subject to inquiry were ignored for what would
appear to be political reasons. The George W. Bush Administration
quite obviously did not want to assume any blame for what had happened
and that bias also extended to providing cover for U.S. rCLallies,rCY most >>> particularly Saudi Arabia and Israel. Those who have sought the truth
about 9/11 have been persistent in their attempts to find out
information that was suppressed but they have been blocked repeatedly
in spite of numerous FOIA requests.

Now, eighteen years after the event, there has been something like a
breakthrough, penetrating the wall of silence erected by the
government. FBI reports on the possible Israeli role in 9/11 were
released on May 7th and they serve to support speculation by myself
and other former intelligence officers that Israel, at a minimum, had
detailed prior knowledge of what was to take place. More than that,
Israeli intelligence officers working in the United States might well
have enabled certain aspects of the conspiracy.

To recount some of what is already known and suspected, one should
first examine the 2016 release of a heavily edited and redacted 28
pages long annex to the 9/11 Commission Report that explored the Saudi
Arabian role in the terrorist attack . The section concluded that the
Saudi government may have played a direct role in 9/11 by assisting
two of the hijackers, including a dry run exercise intended to learn
how to get into a planerCOs cockpit. There was also considerable
evidence suggesting that wealthy Saudis and even members of the Royal
Family had been supporting and funding al-Qaeda.

But far exceeding the Saudi role is the involvement of the Israeli
intelligence service Mossad, which was not subject to any serious
inquiry or investigation by U.S. intelligence or police agencies.
Israel, in spite of obvious involvement in 9/11, was not included in
the 9/11 Commission Report despite the existence of an enormous
Israeli intelligence operation freely working in the United States
that was known to the FBI. Some of those Mossad officers were notably
filmed celebrating as the Twin Towers were burning and collapsing.

In the year 2001 Israel was running a massive spying operation through
a number of cover companies in New Jersey, Florida and also on the
west coast that served as spying mechanisms for Mossad officers. The
effort was supported by the Mossad Station in Washington D.C. and
included a large number of volunteers, the so-called rCLart studentsrCY
who traveled around the U.S. selling various products at malls and
outdoor markets. The FBI was aware of the numerous Israeli students
who were routinely overstaying their visas and some in the Bureau
certainly believed that they were assisting their countryrCOs
intelligence service in some way, but it proved difficult to actually
link the students to undercover operations, so they were regarded as a
minor nuisance and were normally left to the tender mercies of the
inspectors at the Bureau of Customs and Immigration.

American law enforcement was also painfully aware that the Israelis
were running more sophisticated intelligence operations inside the
United States, many of which were focused on WashingtonrCOs military
capabilities and intentions. Some specialized intelligence units
concentrated on obtaining military and dual use technology. It was
also known that Israeli spies had penetrated the phone systems of the
U.S. government, to include those at the White House.

In its annual classified counterespionage review, the FBI invariably
places Israel at the top for rCLfriendlyrCY countries that spy on the U.S. >>> In fact, the pre-9/11 Bureau did its best to stay on top of the
problem, but it rarely received any political support from the Justice
Department and White House if an espionage case involved Israelis. By
one estimate, more than 100 such cases were not prosecuted for
political reasons. Any Israeli caught in flagrante would most often be
quietly deported and most Americans who were helping Israel were let
off with a slap on the wrist.

But the hands-off attitude towards Israel shifted dramatically when,
on September 11, 2001, a New Jersey housewife saw something from the
window of her apartment building, which overlooked the World Trade
Center. She watched as the buildings burned and crumbled but also
noted something strange. Three young men were kneeling on the roof of
a white transit van parked by the waterrCOs edge, making a movie in
which they featured themselves high fiving and laughing in front of
the catastrophic scene unfolding behind them. The woman wrote down the
license plate number of the van and called the police, who responded
quickly and soon both the local force and the FBI began looking for
the vehicle, which was subsequently seen by other witnesses in various
locations along the New Jersey waterfront, its occupants rCLcelebrating
and filming.rCY

The license plate number revealed that the van belonged to a New
Jersey registered company called Urban Moving Systems. At 4 p.m. the
vehicle was spotted and pulled over. Five men between the ages of 22
and 27 years old emerged and were detained at gunpoint and handcuffed.
They were all Israelis. One of them had $4,700 in cash hidden in his
sock and another had two foreign passports. Bomb sniffing dogs reacted
to the smell of explosives in the van, which had very little actual
moving equipment inside.

According to the initial police report, the driver identified as Sivan
Kurzberg, stated rCLWe are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your
problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.rCY The four >>> other passengers were SivanrCOs brother Paul, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner
and Omer Marmari. The men were detained at the Bergen County jail in
New Jersey before being transferred the FBIrCOs Foreign
Counterintelligence Section, which handles allegations of spying.

After the arrest, the FBI obtained a warrant to search Urban Moving
SystemrCOs Weehawken, N.J., offices. Papers and computers were seized.
The company owner Dominick Suter, also an Israeli, answered FBI
questions but when a follow-up interview was set up a few days later
it was learned that he had fled the country for Israel, putting both
his business and home up for sale. The office space and warehouse were
abandoned. It was later learned that Suter has been associated with at
least fourteen businesses in the United States, mostly in New Jersey
and New York but also in Florida. Suter and his wife Omit Levinson
Suter were the owners of 1 Stop Cleaner located in Wellington Florida
and Dominick was also associated with Basia McDonnell, described as a
Polish rCLholocaust survivor,rCY as a business partner in yet another
business called Value Ad. Florida was a main focus for the Israeli
intelligence operation in the U.S. that was directed against Arabs.

The five Israelis were among 140 Israelis arrested after 9/11, most of
whom had military backgrounds, including some who were trained in
rCLintelligence.rCY The five were held in Brooklyn, initially on charges >>> relating to visa fraud. FBI interrogators questioned them for more
than two months. Several were held in solitary confinement so they
could not communicate with each other and two of them were given
repeated polygraph exams, which they failed when claiming that they
were nothing more than students working summer jobs. The two men that
the FBI focused on most intensively were believed to be Mossad staff
officers and the other three were volunteers helping with
surveillance.

The Israelis were not exactly cooperative, but the FBI concluded from
documents obtained at their office in Weehawken that they were
targeting Arabs in New York and New Jersey, most particularly in the
Paterson N.J. area, which has the second largest Muslim population in
the U.S. They were particularly interested in local groups possibly
linked to Hamas and Hezbollah as well as in charities that might be
used for fund raising. The FBI also concluded that the Israelis had
actually monitored the activities of at least two of the 9/11
hijackers.

To be sure, working on an intelligence operation does not necessarily
imply participation in either the planning or execution of something
like 9/11, but there are Israeli fingerprints all over the place, with
cover companies and intelligence personnel often intersecting with
locations frequented by the hijackers.

Apart from the interrogations of the five men from Weehawken, the U.S.
government has apparently never sought to find out what else the
Israelis might have known or were up to in September 2011. There are a
lot of dots that might well have been connected once upon a time, but
the trail has grown cold. Police records in New Jersey and New York
where the men were held have disappeared and FBI interrogation reports
have been inaccessible. Media coverage of the case also died, though
the five were referred to in the press as the rCLdancing IsraelisrCY and >>> by some, more disparagingly, as the rCLdancing Shlomos.rCY

Inevitably, the George W. Bush White House intervened. After 71 days
in detention, the five Israelis were released from prison by Attorney
General John Ashcroft, put on a plane, and deported. Two of the men
later spoke about their unpleasant experience in America on an Israeli
talk show, one explaining that their filming the fall of the Twin
Towers was to rCLdocument the event.rCY In 2004 the five men sued the
United States government for damages, alleging rCLthat their detention
was illegal and that their civil rights were violated, suffering
racial slurs, physical violence, religious discrimination, rough
interrogations, deprivation of sleep, and many other offenses.rCY They
were represented by Nitsana Darshan-Leitner, who in the previous year
had founded the Shurat HaDin Israel Law Center which seeks to bankrupt
groups that Israel considers to be rCLterrorists.rCY Shurat HaDin is
closely tied to the Israeli government.

Now it is just possible that the Urban Moving Israelis were indeed
uninvolved in 9/11 but nevertheless working for Mossad, which the
Israeli government even subsequently admitted, but the new evidence
suggests that the Israelis almost certainly had considerable prior
knowledge and were likely involved in what developed. The new
information reveals that minutes after the first plane struck the
World Trade Center, five Israelis had taken up position in the parking
lot of the Doric Apartment Complex in Union City, New Jersey, where
they took pictures and filmed the attacks while also celebrating the
fall of the towers and rCLhigh fiving.rCY One eyewitness interviewed by
the Bureau had seen the IsraelisrCO van circling the building parking at >>> 8:00 a.m. that day, more than 40 minutes prior to the attack,
indicating prior knowledge of what was about to happen.

The eyewitness testimony is supported by copies of photos taken by the
men that the FBI seized. The photo reproductions were obtained via a
FOIA request made by a private citizen and are of poor quality,
deliberately made so by the FBI to conceal faces and other details.
They constitute only 14 of over seventy photos taken by the Israelis.
Nevertheless, they clearly demonstrate that a celebration was going
on. One photo, intriguingly, shows Sivan Kurzberg holding a lit
lighter in front of the Manhattan Skyline on September 10th, one day
before 9/11. It was apparently taken at the Doric Complex on a
reconnoitering visit made on that day and suggests that Kurzberg was
simulating the attack on the towers on the following day.

Why would the Israelis do it? Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin
Netanyahu described 9/11 initially as rCLa good thing.rCY He was later
quoted as saying somewhat more expansively rCLWe are benefiting from one >>> thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the
American struggle in Iraq.rCY To be sure, 9/11 was a gift to Israel and
it is a gift that keeps on giving. America is at war in a number of
Muslim countries and its troops blanket the Middle East, to include a
base in Israel dedicated to the defense of that country. It is all a
result of the Global War on Terror and the GWOT started with 9/11. And
just maybe it was a fire that was ignited by Israel.

https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-role-in-9-11/

israeli role in 9/11 is very plausible, they have interfered in American
politics many times in many ways.

Its been said they also had a hand in the assassination of JFK. He did
not see eye to eye with them and did not deliver all they wanted.

Couldn't you just tattoo anti-semite on your forehead and post a GIF,
thus wasting fewer bandwidth and sticking to the charter?

Don't be childish/foolish! I have had a anti-semite tattoo on my
forehead for a long time. Very proud about it.

So in your little hole in the ground, talking negatively about israel is anti-Semitic. That is AIPAC propaganda. Where were you educated? Trump University?


--- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.politics.usa

TruthBarker wrote:

On 2026-09-26 1:36 p.m., NefeshBarYochai wrote:

The tale of 9/11 will just not go away, largely because it is clear to
anyone who reads the lengthy 9/11 Commission Report that many issues
that should have been subject to inquiry were ignored for what would
appear to be political reasons. The George W. Bush Administration
quite obviously did not want to assume any blame for what had happened
and that bias also extended to providing cover for U.S. rCLallies,rCY most >> particularly Saudi Arabia and Israel. Those who have sought the truth
about 9/11 have been persistent in their attempts to find out
information that was suppressed but they have been blocked repeatedly
in spite of numerous FOIA requests.

Now, eighteen years after the event, there has been something like a
breakthrough, penetrating the wall of silence erected by the
government. FBI reports on the possible Israeli role in 9/11 were
released on May 7th and they serve to support speculation by myself
and other former intelligence officers that Israel, at a minimum, had
detailed prior knowledge of what was to take place. More than that,
Israeli intelligence officers working in the United States might well
have enabled certain aspects of the conspiracy.

To recount some of what is already known and suspected, one should
first examine the 2016 release of a heavily edited and redacted 28
pages long annex to the 9/11 Commission Report that explored the Saudi
Arabian role in the terrorist attack . The section concluded that the
Saudi government may have played a direct role in 9/11 by assisting
two of the hijackers, including a dry run exercise intended to learn
how to get into a planerCOs cockpit. There was also considerable
evidence suggesting that wealthy Saudis and even members of the Royal
Family had been supporting and funding al-Qaeda.

But far exceeding the Saudi role is the involvement of the Israeli
intelligence service Mossad, which was not subject to any serious
inquiry or investigation by U.S. intelligence or police agencies.
Israel, in spite of obvious involvement in 9/11, was not included in
the 9/11 Commission Report despite the existence of an enormous
Israeli intelligence operation freely working in the United States
that was known to the FBI. Some of those Mossad officers were notably
filmed celebrating as the Twin Towers were burning and collapsing.

In the year 2001 Israel was running a massive spying operation through
a number of cover companies in New Jersey, Florida and also on the
west coast that served as spying mechanisms for Mossad officers. The
effort was supported by the Mossad Station in Washington D.C. and
included a large number of volunteers, the so-called rCLart studentsrCY
who traveled around the U.S. selling various products at malls and
outdoor markets. The FBI was aware of the numerous Israeli students
who were routinely overstaying their visas and some in the Bureau
certainly believed that they were assisting their countryrCOs
intelligence service in some way, but it proved difficult to actually
link the students to undercover operations, so they were regarded as a
minor nuisance and were normally left to the tender mercies of the
inspectors at the Bureau of Customs and Immigration.

American law enforcement was also painfully aware that the Israelis
were running more sophisticated intelligence operations inside the
United States, many of which were focused on WashingtonrCOs military
capabilities and intentions. Some specialized intelligence units
concentrated on obtaining military and dual use technology. It was
also known that Israeli spies had penetrated the phone systems of the
U.S. government, to include those at the White House.

In its annual classified counterespionage review, the FBI invariably
places Israel at the top for rCLfriendlyrCY countries that spy on the U.S. >> In fact, the pre-9/11 Bureau did its best to stay on top of the
problem, but it rarely received any political support from the Justice
Department and White House if an espionage case involved Israelis. By
one estimate, more than 100 such cases were not prosecuted for
political reasons. Any Israeli caught in flagrante would most often be
quietly deported and most Americans who were helping Israel were let
off with a slap on the wrist.

But the hands-off attitude towards Israel shifted dramatically when,
on September 11, 2001, a New Jersey housewife saw something from the
window of her apartment building, which overlooked the World Trade
Center. She watched as the buildings burned and crumbled but also
noted something strange. Three young men were kneeling on the roof of
a white transit van parked by the waterrCOs edge, making a movie in
which they featured themselves high fiving and laughing in front of
the catastrophic scene unfolding behind them. The woman wrote down the
license plate number of the van and called the police, who responded
quickly and soon both the local force and the FBI began looking for
the vehicle, which was subsequently seen by other witnesses in various
locations along the New Jersey waterfront, its occupants rCLcelebrating
and filming.rCY

The license plate number revealed that the van belonged to a New
Jersey registered company called Urban Moving Systems. At 4 p.m. the
vehicle was spotted and pulled over. Five men between the ages of 22
and 27 years old emerged and were detained at gunpoint and handcuffed.
They were all Israelis. One of them had $4,700 in cash hidden in his
sock and another had two foreign passports. Bomb sniffing dogs reacted
to the smell of explosives in the van, which had very little actual
moving equipment inside.

According to the initial police report, the driver identified as Sivan
Kurzberg, stated rCLWe are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your
problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.rCY The four
other passengers were SivanrCOs brother Paul, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner
and Omer Marmari. The men were detained at the Bergen County jail in
New Jersey before being transferred the FBIrCOs Foreign
Counterintelligence Section, which handles allegations of spying.

After the arrest, the FBI obtained a warrant to search Urban Moving
SystemrCOs Weehawken, N.J., offices. Papers and computers were seized.
The company owner Dominick Suter, also an Israeli, answered FBI
questions but when a follow-up interview was set up a few days later
it was learned that he had fled the country for Israel, putting both
his business and home up for sale. The office space and warehouse were
abandoned. It was later learned that Suter has been associated with at
least fourteen businesses in the United States, mostly in New Jersey
and New York but also in Florida. Suter and his wife Omit Levinson
Suter were the owners of 1 Stop Cleaner located in Wellington Florida
and Dominick was also associated with Basia McDonnell, described as a
Polish rCLholocaust survivor,rCY as a business partner in yet another
business called Value Ad. Florida was a main focus for the Israeli
intelligence operation in the U.S. that was directed against Arabs.

The five Israelis were among 140 Israelis arrested after 9/11, most of
whom had military backgrounds, including some who were trained in
rCLintelligence.rCY The five were held in Brooklyn, initially on charges
relating to visa fraud. FBI interrogators questioned them for more
than two months. Several were held in solitary confinement so they
could not communicate with each other and two of them were given
repeated polygraph exams, which they failed when claiming that they
were nothing more than students working summer jobs. The two men that
the FBI focused on most intensively were believed to be Mossad staff
officers and the other three were volunteers helping with
surveillance.

The Israelis were not exactly cooperative, but the FBI concluded from
documents obtained at their office in Weehawken that they were
targeting Arabs in New York and New Jersey, most particularly in the
Paterson N.J. area, which has the second largest Muslim population in
the U.S. They were particularly interested in local groups possibly
linked to Hamas and Hezbollah as well as in charities that might be
used for fund raising. The FBI also concluded that the Israelis had
actually monitored the activities of at least two of the 9/11
hijackers.

To be sure, working on an intelligence operation does not necessarily
imply participation in either the planning or execution of something
like 9/11, but there are Israeli fingerprints all over the place, with
cover companies and intelligence personnel often intersecting with
locations frequented by the hijackers.

Apart from the interrogations of the five men from Weehawken, the U.S.
government has apparently never sought to find out what else the
Israelis might have known or were up to in September 2011. There are a
lot of dots that might well have been connected once upon a time, but
the trail has grown cold. Police records in New Jersey and New York
where the men were held have disappeared and FBI interrogation reports
have been inaccessible. Media coverage of the case also died, though
the five were referred to in the press as the rCLdancing IsraelisrCY and
by some, more disparagingly, as the rCLdancing Shlomos.rCY

Inevitably, the George W. Bush White House intervened. After 71 days
in detention, the five Israelis were released from prison by Attorney
General John Ashcroft, put on a plane, and deported. Two of the men
later spoke about their unpleasant experience in America on an Israeli
talk show, one explaining that their filming the fall of the Twin
Towers was to rCLdocument the event.rCY In 2004 the five men sued the
United States government for damages, alleging rCLthat their detention
was illegal and that their civil rights were violated, suffering
racial slurs, physical violence, religious discrimination, rough
interrogations, deprivation of sleep, and many other offenses.rCY They
were represented by Nitsana Darshan-Leitner, who in the previous year
had founded the Shurat HaDin Israel Law Center which seeks to bankrupt
groups that Israel considers to be rCLterrorists.rCY Shurat HaDin is
closely tied to the Israeli government.

Now it is just possible that the Urban Moving Israelis were indeed
uninvolved in 9/11 but nevertheless working for Mossad, which the
Israeli government even subsequently admitted, but the new evidence
suggests that the Israelis almost certainly had considerable prior
knowledge and were likely involved in what developed. The new
information reveals that minutes after the first plane struck the
World Trade Center, five Israelis had taken up position in the parking
lot of the Doric Apartment Complex in Union City, New Jersey, where
they took pictures and filmed the attacks while also celebrating the
fall of the towers and rCLhigh fiving.rCY One eyewitness interviewed by
the Bureau had seen the IsraelisrCO van circling the building parking at
8:00 a.m. that day, more than 40 minutes prior to the attack,
indicating prior knowledge of what was about to happen.

The eyewitness testimony is supported by copies of photos taken by the
men that the FBI seized. The photo reproductions were obtained via a
FOIA request made by a private citizen and are of poor quality,
deliberately made so by the FBI to conceal faces and other details.
They constitute only 14 of over seventy photos taken by the Israelis.
Nevertheless, they clearly demonstrate that a celebration was going
on. One photo, intriguingly, shows Sivan Kurzberg holding a lit
lighter in front of the Manhattan Skyline on September 10th, one day
before 9/11. It was apparently taken at the Doric Complex on a
reconnoitering visit made on that day and suggests that Kurzberg was
simulating the attack on the towers on the following day.

Why would the Israelis do it? Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin
Netanyahu described 9/11 initially as rCLa good thing.rCY He was later
quoted as saying somewhat more expansively rCLWe are benefiting from one
thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the
American struggle in Iraq.rCY To be sure, 9/11 was a gift to Israel and
it is a gift that keeps on giving. America is at war in a number of
Muslim countries and its troops blanket the Middle East, to include a
base in Israel dedicated to the defense of that country. It is all a
result of the Global War on Terror and the GWOT started with 9/11. And
just maybe it was a fire that was ignited by Israel.

https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-role-in-9-11/

israeli role in 9/11 is very plausible, they have interfered in American politics many times in many ways.

Its been said they also had a hand in the assassination of JFK. He did
not see eye to eye with them and did not deliver all they wanted.

Couldn't you just tattoo anti-semite on your forehead and post a GIF,
thus wasting fewer bandwidth and sticking to the charter?
--
I hate it when you breach my space
And I hate it when you preach your case
And you should go down, down
Save someone else
--- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.politics.usa

TruthBarker wrote:

On 2026-09-27 10:34 a.m., Lane W wrote:

TruthBarker wrote:

On 2026-09-26 1:36 p.m., NefeshBarYochai wrote:

The tale of 9/11 will just not go away, largely because it is clear to >>>> anyone who reads the lengthy 9/11 Commission Report that many issues
that should have been subject to inquiry were ignored for what would
appear to be political reasons. The George W. Bush Administration
quite obviously did not want to assume any blame for what had happened >>>> and that bias also extended to providing cover for U.S. rCLallies,rCY most >>>> particularly Saudi Arabia and Israel. Those who have sought the truth
about 9/11 have been persistent in their attempts to find out
information that was suppressed but they have been blocked repeatedly
in spite of numerous FOIA requests.

Now, eighteen years after the event, there has been something like a
breakthrough, penetrating the wall of silence erected by the
government. FBI reports on the possible Israeli role in 9/11 were
released on May 7th and they serve to support speculation by myself
and other former intelligence officers that Israel, at a minimum, had
detailed prior knowledge of what was to take place. More than that,
Israeli intelligence officers working in the United States might well
have enabled certain aspects of the conspiracy.

To recount some of what is already known and suspected, one should
first examine the 2016 release of a heavily edited and redacted 28
pages long annex to the 9/11 Commission Report that explored the Saudi >>>> Arabian role in the terrorist attack . The section concluded that the
Saudi government may have played a direct role in 9/11 by assisting
two of the hijackers, including a dry run exercise intended to learn
how to get into a planerCOs cockpit. There was also considerable
evidence suggesting that wealthy Saudis and even members of the Royal
Family had been supporting and funding al-Qaeda.

But far exceeding the Saudi role is the involvement of the Israeli
intelligence service Mossad, which was not subject to any serious
inquiry or investigation by U.S. intelligence or police agencies.
Israel, in spite of obvious involvement in 9/11, was not included in
the 9/11 Commission Report despite the existence of an enormous
Israeli intelligence operation freely working in the United States
that was known to the FBI. Some of those Mossad officers were notably
filmed celebrating as the Twin Towers were burning and collapsing.

In the year 2001 Israel was running a massive spying operation through >>>> a number of cover companies in New Jersey, Florida and also on the
west coast that served as spying mechanisms for Mossad officers. The
effort was supported by the Mossad Station in Washington D.C. and
included a large number of volunteers, the so-called rCLart studentsrCY >>>> who traveled around the U.S. selling various products at malls and
outdoor markets. The FBI was aware of the numerous Israeli students
who were routinely overstaying their visas and some in the Bureau
certainly believed that they were assisting their countryrCOs
intelligence service in some way, but it proved difficult to actually
link the students to undercover operations, so they were regarded as a >>>> minor nuisance and were normally left to the tender mercies of the
inspectors at the Bureau of Customs and Immigration.

American law enforcement was also painfully aware that the Israelis
were running more sophisticated intelligence operations inside the
United States, many of which were focused on WashingtonrCOs military
capabilities and intentions. Some specialized intelligence units
concentrated on obtaining military and dual use technology. It was
also known that Israeli spies had penetrated the phone systems of the
U.S. government, to include those at the White House.

In its annual classified counterespionage review, the FBI invariably
places Israel at the top for rCLfriendlyrCY countries that spy on the U.S. >>>> In fact, the pre-9/11 Bureau did its best to stay on top of the
problem, but it rarely received any political support from the Justice >>>> Department and White House if an espionage case involved Israelis. By
one estimate, more than 100 such cases were not prosecuted for
political reasons. Any Israeli caught in flagrante would most often be >>>> quietly deported and most Americans who were helping Israel were let
off with a slap on the wrist.

But the hands-off attitude towards Israel shifted dramatically when,
on September 11, 2001, a New Jersey housewife saw something from the
window of her apartment building, which overlooked the World Trade
Center. She watched as the buildings burned and crumbled but also
noted something strange. Three young men were kneeling on the roof of
a white transit van parked by the waterrCOs edge, making a movie in
which they featured themselves high fiving and laughing in front of
the catastrophic scene unfolding behind them. The woman wrote down the >>>> license plate number of the van and called the police, who responded
quickly and soon both the local force and the FBI began looking for
the vehicle, which was subsequently seen by other witnesses in various >>>> locations along the New Jersey waterfront, its occupants rCLcelebrating >>>> and filming.rCY

The license plate number revealed that the van belonged to a New
Jersey registered company called Urban Moving Systems. At 4 p.m. the
vehicle was spotted and pulled over. Five men between the ages of 22
and 27 years old emerged and were detained at gunpoint and handcuffed. >>>> They were all Israelis. One of them had $4,700 in cash hidden in his
sock and another had two foreign passports. Bomb sniffing dogs reacted >>>> to the smell of explosives in the van, which had very little actual
moving equipment inside.

According to the initial police report, the driver identified as Sivan >>>> Kurzberg, stated rCLWe are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your
problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.rCY The four >>>> other passengers were SivanrCOs brother Paul, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner >>>> and Omer Marmari. The men were detained at the Bergen County jail in
New Jersey before being transferred the FBIrCOs Foreign
Counterintelligence Section, which handles allegations of spying.

After the arrest, the FBI obtained a warrant to search Urban Moving
SystemrCOs Weehawken, N.J., offices. Papers and computers were seized. >>>> The company owner Dominick Suter, also an Israeli, answered FBI
questions but when a follow-up interview was set up a few days later
it was learned that he had fled the country for Israel, putting both
his business and home up for sale. The office space and warehouse were >>>> abandoned. It was later learned that Suter has been associated with at >>>> least fourteen businesses in the United States, mostly in New Jersey
and New York but also in Florida. Suter and his wife Omit Levinson
Suter were the owners of 1 Stop Cleaner located in Wellington Florida
and Dominick was also associated with Basia McDonnell, described as a
Polish rCLholocaust survivor,rCY as a business partner in yet another
business called Value Ad. Florida was a main focus for the Israeli
intelligence operation in the U.S. that was directed against Arabs.

The five Israelis were among 140 Israelis arrested after 9/11, most of >>>> whom had military backgrounds, including some who were trained in
rCLintelligence.rCY The five were held in Brooklyn, initially on charges >>>> relating to visa fraud. FBI interrogators questioned them for more
than two months. Several were held in solitary confinement so they
could not communicate with each other and two of them were given
repeated polygraph exams, which they failed when claiming that they
were nothing more than students working summer jobs. The two men that
the FBI focused on most intensively were believed to be Mossad staff
officers and the other three were volunteers helping with
surveillance.

The Israelis were not exactly cooperative, but the FBI concluded from
documents obtained at their office in Weehawken that they were
targeting Arabs in New York and New Jersey, most particularly in the
Paterson N.J. area, which has the second largest Muslim population in
the U.S. They were particularly interested in local groups possibly
linked to Hamas and Hezbollah as well as in charities that might be
used for fund raising. The FBI also concluded that the Israelis had
actually monitored the activities of at least two of the 9/11
hijackers.

To be sure, working on an intelligence operation does not necessarily
imply participation in either the planning or execution of something
like 9/11, but there are Israeli fingerprints all over the place, with >>>> cover companies and intelligence personnel often intersecting with
locations frequented by the hijackers.

Apart from the interrogations of the five men from Weehawken, the U.S. >>>> government has apparently never sought to find out what else the
Israelis might have known or were up to in September 2011. There are a >>>> lot of dots that might well have been connected once upon a time, but
the trail has grown cold. Police records in New Jersey and New York
where the men were held have disappeared and FBI interrogation reports >>>> have been inaccessible. Media coverage of the case also died, though
the five were referred to in the press as the rCLdancing IsraelisrCY and >>>> by some, more disparagingly, as the rCLdancing Shlomos.rCY

Inevitably, the George W. Bush White House intervened. After 71 days
in detention, the five Israelis were released from prison by Attorney
General John Ashcroft, put on a plane, and deported. Two of the men
later spoke about their unpleasant experience in America on an Israeli >>>> talk show, one explaining that their filming the fall of the Twin
Towers was to rCLdocument the event.rCY In 2004 the five men sued the
United States government for damages, alleging rCLthat their detention >>>> was illegal and that their civil rights were violated, suffering
racial slurs, physical violence, religious discrimination, rough
interrogations, deprivation of sleep, and many other offenses.rCY They >>>> were represented by Nitsana Darshan-Leitner, who in the previous year
had founded the Shurat HaDin Israel Law Center which seeks to bankrupt >>>> groups that Israel considers to be rCLterrorists.rCY Shurat HaDin is
closely tied to the Israeli government.

Now it is just possible that the Urban Moving Israelis were indeed
uninvolved in 9/11 but nevertheless working for Mossad, which the
Israeli government even subsequently admitted, but the new evidence
suggests that the Israelis almost certainly had considerable prior
knowledge and were likely involved in what developed. The new
information reveals that minutes after the first plane struck the
World Trade Center, five Israelis had taken up position in the parking >>>> lot of the Doric Apartment Complex in Union City, New Jersey, where
they took pictures and filmed the attacks while also celebrating the
fall of the towers and rCLhigh fiving.rCY One eyewitness interviewed by >>>> the Bureau had seen the IsraelisrCO van circling the building parking at >>>> 8:00 a.m. that day, more than 40 minutes prior to the attack,
indicating prior knowledge of what was about to happen.

The eyewitness testimony is supported by copies of photos taken by the >>>> men that the FBI seized. The photo reproductions were obtained via a
FOIA request made by a private citizen and are of poor quality,
deliberately made so by the FBI to conceal faces and other details.
They constitute only 14 of over seventy photos taken by the Israelis.
Nevertheless, they clearly demonstrate that a celebration was going
on. One photo, intriguingly, shows Sivan Kurzberg holding a lit
lighter in front of the Manhattan Skyline on September 10th, one day
before 9/11. It was apparently taken at the Doric Complex on a
reconnoitering visit made on that day and suggests that Kurzberg was
simulating the attack on the towers on the following day.

Why would the Israelis do it? Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin
Netanyahu described 9/11 initially as rCLa good thing.rCY He was later >>>> quoted as saying somewhat more expansively rCLWe are benefiting from one >>>> thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the >>>> American struggle in Iraq.rCY To be sure, 9/11 was a gift to Israel and >>>> it is a gift that keeps on giving. America is at war in a number of
Muslim countries and its troops blanket the Middle East, to include a
base in Israel dedicated to the defense of that country. It is all a
result of the Global War on Terror and the GWOT started with 9/11. And >>>> just maybe it was a fire that was ignited by Israel.

https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-role-in-9-11/

israeli role in 9/11 is very plausible, they have interfered in American >>> politics many times in many ways.

Its been said they also had a hand in the assassination of JFK. He did
not see eye to eye with them and did not deliver all they wanted.

Couldn't you just tattoo anti-semite on your forehead and post a GIF,
thus wasting fewer bandwidth and sticking to the charter?

Don't be childish/foolish! I have had a anti-semite tattoo on my
forehead for a long time. Very proud about it.

So in your little hole in the ground, talking negatively about israel is anti-Semitic. That is AIPAC propaganda. Where were you educated? Trump University?

I just want to see this argument:

What happened to Israel on Oct. 7th vs. what they are doing now.

Weigh them in the scales of Justice. Are you afraid to have that
conversation? I don't see how it is any good to just jump to the
proposal, children die, Israeli president bad. You are missing a giant
step in your faux deduction.

I was educated in electrical engineering at Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology, Terre Haute, Indiana, and electrical engineering at
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, Illinois.

During this time, the most political classroom was economics. We were
reading NYT & WSJ for class while Clinton was president. The teacher had nothing but praise for Clinton, but the world never saw that, only the
final outcome.
--
I hate it when you breach my space
And I hate it when you preach your case
And you should go down, down
Save someone else
--- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.politics.usa

On 2026-09-27 11:27 a.m., Lane W wrote:

TruthBarker wrote:

On 2026-09-27 10:34 a.m., Lane W wrote:

TruthBarker wrote:

On 2026-09-26 1:36 p.m., NefeshBarYochai wrote:

The tale of 9/11 will just not go away, largely because it is clear to >>>>> anyone who reads the lengthy 9/11 Commission Report that many issues >>>>> that should have been subject to inquiry were ignored for what would >>>>> appear to be political reasons. The George W. Bush Administration
quite obviously did not want to assume any blame for what had happened >>>>> and that bias also extended to providing cover for U.S. rCLallies,rCY most
particularly Saudi Arabia and Israel. Those who have sought the truth >>>>> about 9/11 have been persistent in their attempts to find out
information that was suppressed but they have been blocked repeatedly >>>>> in spite of numerous FOIA requests.

Now, eighteen years after the event, there has been something like a >>>>> breakthrough, penetrating the wall of silence erected by the
government. FBI reports on the possible Israeli role in 9/11 were
released on May 7th and they serve to support speculation by myself
and other former intelligence officers that Israel, at a minimum, had >>>>> detailed prior knowledge of what was to take place. More than that,
Israeli intelligence officers working in the United States might well >>>>> have enabled certain aspects of the conspiracy.

To recount some of what is already known and suspected, one should
first examine the 2016 release of a heavily edited and redacted 28
pages long annex to the 9/11 Commission Report that explored the Saudi >>>>> Arabian role in the terrorist attack . The section concluded that the >>>>> Saudi government may have played a direct role in 9/11 by assisting
two of the hijackers, including a dry run exercise intended to learn >>>>> how to get into a planerCOs cockpit. There was also considerable
evidence suggesting that wealthy Saudis and even members of the Royal >>>>> Family had been supporting and funding al-Qaeda.

But far exceeding the Saudi role is the involvement of the Israeli
intelligence service Mossad, which was not subject to any serious
inquiry or investigation by U.S. intelligence or police agencies.
Israel, in spite of obvious involvement in 9/11, was not included in >>>>> the 9/11 Commission Report despite the existence of an enormous
Israeli intelligence operation freely working in the United States
that was known to the FBI. Some of those Mossad officers were notably >>>>> filmed celebrating as the Twin Towers were burning and collapsing.

In the year 2001 Israel was running a massive spying operation through >>>>> a number of cover companies in New Jersey, Florida and also on the
west coast that served as spying mechanisms for Mossad officers. The >>>>> effort was supported by the Mossad Station in Washington D.C. and
included a large number of volunteers, the so-called rCLart studentsrCY >>>>> who traveled around the U.S. selling various products at malls and
outdoor markets. The FBI was aware of the numerous Israeli students
who were routinely overstaying their visas and some in the Bureau
certainly believed that they were assisting their countryrCOs
intelligence service in some way, but it proved difficult to actually >>>>> link the students to undercover operations, so they were regarded as a >>>>> minor nuisance and were normally left to the tender mercies of the
inspectors at the Bureau of Customs and Immigration.

American law enforcement was also painfully aware that the Israelis
were running more sophisticated intelligence operations inside the
United States, many of which were focused on WashingtonrCOs military >>>>> capabilities and intentions. Some specialized intelligence units
concentrated on obtaining military and dual use technology. It was
also known that Israeli spies had penetrated the phone systems of the >>>>> U.S. government, to include those at the White House.

In its annual classified counterespionage review, the FBI invariably >>>>> places Israel at the top for rCLfriendlyrCY countries that spy on the U.S.
In fact, the pre-9/11 Bureau did its best to stay on top of the
problem, but it rarely received any political support from the Justice >>>>> Department and White House if an espionage case involved Israelis. By >>>>> one estimate, more than 100 such cases were not prosecuted for
political reasons. Any Israeli caught in flagrante would most often be >>>>> quietly deported and most Americans who were helping Israel were let >>>>> off with a slap on the wrist.

But the hands-off attitude towards Israel shifted dramatically when, >>>>> on September 11, 2001, a New Jersey housewife saw something from the >>>>> window of her apartment building, which overlooked the World Trade
Center. She watched as the buildings burned and crumbled but also
noted something strange. Three young men were kneeling on the roof of >>>>> a white transit van parked by the waterrCOs edge, making a movie in
which they featured themselves high fiving and laughing in front of
the catastrophic scene unfolding behind them. The woman wrote down the >>>>> license plate number of the van and called the police, who responded >>>>> quickly and soon both the local force and the FBI began looking for
the vehicle, which was subsequently seen by other witnesses in various >>>>> locations along the New Jersey waterfront, its occupants rCLcelebrating >>>>> and filming.rCY

The license plate number revealed that the van belonged to a New
Jersey registered company called Urban Moving Systems. At 4 p.m. the >>>>> vehicle was spotted and pulled over. Five men between the ages of 22 >>>>> and 27 years old emerged and were detained at gunpoint and handcuffed. >>>>> They were all Israelis. One of them had $4,700 in cash hidden in his >>>>> sock and another had two foreign passports. Bomb sniffing dogs reacted >>>>> to the smell of explosives in the van, which had very little actual
moving equipment inside.

According to the initial police report, the driver identified as Sivan >>>>> Kurzberg, stated rCLWe are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your
problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.rCY The four >>>>> other passengers were SivanrCOs brother Paul, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner >>>>> and Omer Marmari. The men were detained at the Bergen County jail in >>>>> New Jersey before being transferred the FBIrCOs Foreign
Counterintelligence Section, which handles allegations of spying.

After the arrest, the FBI obtained a warrant to search Urban Moving
SystemrCOs Weehawken, N.J., offices. Papers and computers were seized. >>>>> The company owner Dominick Suter, also an Israeli, answered FBI
questions but when a follow-up interview was set up a few days later >>>>> it was learned that he had fled the country for Israel, putting both >>>>> his business and home up for sale. The office space and warehouse were >>>>> abandoned. It was later learned that Suter has been associated with at >>>>> least fourteen businesses in the United States, mostly in New Jersey >>>>> and New York but also in Florida. Suter and his wife Omit Levinson
Suter were the owners of 1 Stop Cleaner located in Wellington Florida >>>>> and Dominick was also associated with Basia McDonnell, described as a >>>>> Polish rCLholocaust survivor,rCY as a business partner in yet another >>>>> business called Value Ad. Florida was a main focus for the Israeli
intelligence operation in the U.S. that was directed against Arabs.

The five Israelis were among 140 Israelis arrested after 9/11, most of >>>>> whom had military backgrounds, including some who were trained in
rCLintelligence.rCY The five were held in Brooklyn, initially on charges >>>>> relating to visa fraud. FBI interrogators questioned them for more
than two months. Several were held in solitary confinement so they
could not communicate with each other and two of them were given
repeated polygraph exams, which they failed when claiming that they
were nothing more than students working summer jobs. The two men that >>>>> the FBI focused on most intensively were believed to be Mossad staff >>>>> officers and the other three were volunteers helping with
surveillance.

The Israelis were not exactly cooperative, but the FBI concluded from >>>>> documents obtained at their office in Weehawken that they were
targeting Arabs in New York and New Jersey, most particularly in the >>>>> Paterson N.J. area, which has the second largest Muslim population in >>>>> the U.S. They were particularly interested in local groups possibly
linked to Hamas and Hezbollah as well as in charities that might be
used for fund raising. The FBI also concluded that the Israelis had
actually monitored the activities of at least two of the 9/11
hijackers.

To be sure, working on an intelligence operation does not necessarily >>>>> imply participation in either the planning or execution of something >>>>> like 9/11, but there are Israeli fingerprints all over the place, with >>>>> cover companies and intelligence personnel often intersecting with
locations frequented by the hijackers.

Apart from the interrogations of the five men from Weehawken, the U.S. >>>>> government has apparently never sought to find out what else the
Israelis might have known or were up to in September 2011. There are a >>>>> lot of dots that might well have been connected once upon a time, but >>>>> the trail has grown cold. Police records in New Jersey and New York
where the men were held have disappeared and FBI interrogation reports >>>>> have been inaccessible. Media coverage of the case also died, though >>>>> the five were referred to in the press as the rCLdancing IsraelisrCY and >>>>> by some, more disparagingly, as the rCLdancing Shlomos.rCY

Inevitably, the George W. Bush White House intervened. After 71 days >>>>> in detention, the five Israelis were released from prison by Attorney >>>>> General John Ashcroft, put on a plane, and deported. Two of the men
later spoke about their unpleasant experience in America on an Israeli >>>>> talk show, one explaining that their filming the fall of the Twin
Towers was to rCLdocument the event.rCY In 2004 the five men sued the >>>>> United States government for damages, alleging rCLthat their detention >>>>> was illegal and that their civil rights were violated, suffering
racial slurs, physical violence, religious discrimination, rough
interrogations, deprivation of sleep, and many other offenses.rCY They >>>>> were represented by Nitsana Darshan-Leitner, who in the previous year >>>>> had founded the Shurat HaDin Israel Law Center which seeks to bankrupt >>>>> groups that Israel considers to be rCLterrorists.rCY Shurat HaDin is >>>>> closely tied to the Israeli government.

Now it is just possible that the Urban Moving Israelis were indeed
uninvolved in 9/11 but nevertheless working for Mossad, which the
Israeli government even subsequently admitted, but the new evidence
suggests that the Israelis almost certainly had considerable prior
knowledge and were likely involved in what developed. The new
information reveals that minutes after the first plane struck the
World Trade Center, five Israelis had taken up position in the parking >>>>> lot of the Doric Apartment Complex in Union City, New Jersey, where
they took pictures and filmed the attacks while also celebrating the >>>>> fall of the towers and rCLhigh fiving.rCY One eyewitness interviewed by >>>>> the Bureau had seen the IsraelisrCO van circling the building parking at >>>>> 8:00 a.m. that day, more than 40 minutes prior to the attack,
indicating prior knowledge of what was about to happen.

The eyewitness testimony is supported by copies of photos taken by the >>>>> men that the FBI seized. The photo reproductions were obtained via a >>>>> FOIA request made by a private citizen and are of poor quality,
deliberately made so by the FBI to conceal faces and other details.
They constitute only 14 of over seventy photos taken by the Israelis. >>>>> Nevertheless, they clearly demonstrate that a celebration was going
on. One photo, intriguingly, shows Sivan Kurzberg holding a lit
lighter in front of the Manhattan Skyline on September 10th, one day >>>>> before 9/11. It was apparently taken at the Doric Complex on a
reconnoitering visit made on that day and suggests that Kurzberg was >>>>> simulating the attack on the towers on the following day.

Why would the Israelis do it? Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin
Netanyahu described 9/11 initially as rCLa good thing.rCY He was later >>>>> quoted as saying somewhat more expansively rCLWe are benefiting from one >>>>> thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the >>>>> American struggle in Iraq.rCY To be sure, 9/11 was a gift to Israel and >>>>> it is a gift that keeps on giving. America is at war in a number of
Muslim countries and its troops blanket the Middle East, to include a >>>>> base in Israel dedicated to the defense of that country. It is all a >>>>> result of the Global War on Terror and the GWOT started with 9/11. And >>>>> just maybe it was a fire that was ignited by Israel.

https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-role-in-9-11/

israeli role in 9/11 is very plausible, they have interfered in
American
politics many times in many ways.

Its been said they also had a hand in the assassination of JFK. He did >>>> not see eye to eye with them and did not deliver all they wanted.

Couldn't you just tattoo anti-semite on your forehead and post a GIF,
thus wasting fewer bandwidth and sticking to the charter?

Don't be childish/foolish! I have had a anti-semite tattoo on my
forehead for a long time. Very proud about it.

So in your little hole in the ground, talking negatively about israel is
anti-Semitic. That is AIPAC propaganda. Where were you educated? Trump
University?

I just want to see this argument:

I hate it when you preach your case

What happened to Israel on Oct. 7th vs. what they are doing now.

What happened to the Palestinians when the State of israel was illegally created. Oct 7 was allowed to happen by the israelis to implement the
master plan of genocide.

Weigh them in the scales of Justice. Are you afraid to have that conversation? I don't see how it is any good to just jump to the
proposal, children die, Israeli president bad. You are missing a giant
step in your faux deduction.

You wonrCOt know if justice bit your ass. The ugliness of genocide in Gaza
by the zionist jews tells me every thing I need to know. It is all
documented.

I was educated in electrical engineering at Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology, Terre Haute, Indiana, and electrical engineering at
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, Illinois.

Very commendable, but tell me if you got short-circuited between the
ears in one of the labs.

During this time, the most political classroom was economics. We were reading NYT & WSJ for class while Clinton was president. The teacher had nothing but praise for Clinton, but the world never saw that, only the
final outcome.

ClintonrCOs final outcome, strong economic growth with budget surplus and
left office with 60%+ approval rating. Has Trump ever accomplished
anything like that, he only knows how to bitch about Obama and Biden
because of his short comings.

save someone else, I hate it when you breach my space, like you had no education at all!


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