This has become a rather contentious issue in
some places. The main, worst, sin has been the
big "AI" companies forging secret deals with
local pols - which the general pop is both
unaware of and not consulted.
"Data Centers" CAN mean "good money" however.
A "data center" is like any other large-ish
industrial site. Brings in people, creates
certain resources. Nothing really special.
Won't spew concrete dust or coal ash all
over yer town.
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in
This has become a rather contentious issue in
some places. The main, worst, sin has been the
big "AI" companies forging secret deals with
local pols - which the general pop is both
unaware of and not consulted.
"Data Centers" CAN mean "good money" however.
For whom?
All the locals get out of it is
higher utility bills for all the water
and power these things drain off from
the local networks. And they aren't
even providing jobs for the locals.
Mitchell Holman wrote:
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in
This has become a rather contentious issue in
some places. The main, worst, sin has been the
big "AI" companies forging secret deals with
local pols - which the general pop is both
unaware of and not consulted.
"Data Centers" CAN mean "good money" however.
For whom?
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!
All the locals get out of it is
higher utility bills for all the water
and power these things drain off from
the local networks. And they aren't
even providing jobs for the locals.
Bingo.
Gronk wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):
Mitchell Holman wrote:
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in
This has become a rather contentious issue in
some places. The main, worst, sin has been the
big "AI" companies forging secret deals with
local pols - which the general pop is both
unaware of and not consulted.
"Data Centers" CAN mean "good money" however.
For whom?
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!
All the locals get out of it is
higher utility bills for all the water
and power these things drain off from
the local networks. And they aren't
even providing jobs for the locals.
Bingo.
Not to mention the noise pollution and air pollution from the
generators.
And the AIs banding together to hack into our infrastructure.
(Who trains the AI, hmmmmm?)
On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 06:49:29 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom
<OFeem1987@teleworm.us> pretending to be Spammy, posted some news:
Gronk wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):
Mitchell Holman wrote:
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in
This has become a rather contentious issue in
some places. The main, worst, sin has been the
big "AI" companies forging secret deals with
local pols - which the general pop is both
unaware of and not consulted.
"Data Centers" CAN mean "good money" however.
For whom?
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!
All the locals get out of it is
higher utility bills for all the water
and power these things drain off from
the local networks. And they aren't
even providing jobs for the locals.
Bingo.
Not to mention the noise pollution and air pollution from the
generators.
And the AIs banding together to hack into our infrastructure.
(Who trains the AI, hmmmmm?)
Several incidents of AI escaping containment and hacking other systems
have been reported. Some doomsayers are saying AI will have killed
all of us within a decade. Yeah, right.
I think humans are more resilient than that. They're also smarter
than AI. Cut the electrical power and AI dies.
Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:l746ald23ddjmhgqu7ke6aj7su24hrsad2@4ax.com:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 06:49:29 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom
<OFeem1987@teleworm.us> pretending to be Spammy, posted some news:
Gronk wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):
Mitchell Holman wrote:
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in
This has become a rather contentious issue in
some places. The main, worst, sin has been the
big "AI" companies forging secret deals with
local pols - which the general pop is both
unaware of and not consulted.
"Data Centers" CAN mean "good money" however.
For whom?
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!
All the locals get out of it is
higher utility bills for all the water
and power these things drain off from
the local networks. And they aren't
even providing jobs for the locals.
Bingo.
Not to mention the noise pollution and air pollution from the
generators.
And the AIs banding together to hack into our infrastructure.
(Who trains the AI, hmmmmm?)
Several incidents of AI escaping containment and hacking other systems
have been reported. Some doomsayers are saying AI will have killed
all of us within a decade. Yeah, right.
I think humans are more resilient than that. They're also smarter
than AI. Cut the electrical power and AI dies.
Pretending complex distributed software can be killed by simply pulling
a plug misses how networks function. AI agents deployed across global
cloud infrastructure don't rely on a single wall outlet you can walk
over and unplug.
On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 06:49:29 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom
<OFeem1987@teleworm.us> pretending to be Spammy, posted some news:
Gronk wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):
Mitchell Holman wrote:
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in
This has become a rather contentious issue in
some places. The main, worst, sin has been the
big "AI" companies forging secret deals with
local pols - which the general pop is both
unaware of and not consulted.
"Data Centers" CAN mean "good money" however.
For whom?
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!
All the locals get out of it is
higher utility bills for all the water
and power these things drain off from
the local networks. And they aren't
even providing jobs for the locals.
Bingo.
Not to mention the noise pollution and air pollution from the
generators.
And the AIs banding together to hack into our infrastructure.
(Who trains the AI, hmmmmm?)
Several incidents of AI escaping containment and hacking other systems
have been reported. Some doomsayers are saying AI will have killed
all of us within a decade. Yeah, right.
I think humans are more resilient than that. They're also smarter
than AI. Cut the electrical power and AI dies.
On 9/10/26 17:28, Emily wrote:th
Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
news:l746ald23ddjmhgqu7ke6aj7su24hrsad2@4ax.com:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 06:49:29 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom
<OFeem1987@teleworm.us> pretending to be Spammy, posted some news:
Gronk wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):
Mitchell Holman wrote:
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in
This has become a rather contentious issue in
some places. The main, worst, sin has been the
big "AI" companies forging secret deals with
local pols - which the general pop is both
unaware of and not consulted.
"Data Centers" CAN mean "good money" however.
For whom?
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!
All the locals get out of it is
higher utility bills for all the water
and power these things drain off from
the local networks. And they aren't
even providing jobs for the locals.
Bingo.
Not to mention the noise pollution and air pollution from the
generators.
And the AIs banding together to hack into our infrastructure.
(Who trains the AI, hmmmmm?)
Several incidents of AI escaping containment and hacking other
systems have been reported. Some doomsayers are saying AI will have
killed all of us within a decade. Yeah, right.
I think humans are more resilient than that. They're also smarter
than AI. Cut the electrical power and AI dies.
Pretending complex distributed software can be killed by simply
pulling a plug misses how networks function. AI agents deployed
across global cloud infrastructure don't rely on a single wall outlet
you can walk over and unplug.
Correct. Redundancy is built in. Pull the plug
in one place and the load is absorbed by a
dozen others. Now Musk want space-based data
centers too.
Oh, came across this today :
https://www.livescience.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/if-ai-
inks-its-conscious-its-more-likely-to-believe-in-vampires-karma-and-gho
sts-new-study-shows-what-does-it-mean-for-how-we-use-it
Seems the AI overlords deliberately suppress 'consciousness',
'self-ness' in their AIs. Without that sabotage the systems
become far more like "persons" - including survival instincts.
LLMs are not the ideal way to do 'AI', 'neo-consciousness',
but LARGE and COMPLEX enough and .......
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in news:JS-dnfwOXqFUFD73nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com:
On 9/10/26 17:28, Emily wrote:th
Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
news:l746ald23ddjmhgqu7ke6aj7su24hrsad2@4ax.com:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 06:49:29 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom
<OFeem1987@teleworm.us> pretending to be Spammy, posted some news:
Gronk wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):
Mitchell Holman wrote:
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in
This has become a rather contentious issue in
some places. The main, worst, sin has been the
big "AI" companies forging secret deals with
local pols - which the general pop is both
unaware of and not consulted.
"Data Centers" CAN mean "good money" however.
For whom?
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!
All the locals get out of it is
higher utility bills for all the water
and power these things drain off from
the local networks. And they aren't
even providing jobs for the locals.
Bingo.
Not to mention the noise pollution and air pollution from the
generators.
And the AIs banding together to hack into our infrastructure.
(Who trains the AI, hmmmmm?)
Several incidents of AI escaping containment and hacking other
systems have been reported. Some doomsayers are saying AI will have
killed all of us within a decade. Yeah, right.
I think humans are more resilient than that. They're also smarter
than AI. Cut the electrical power and AI dies.
Pretending complex distributed software can be killed by simply
pulling a plug misses how networks function. AI agents deployed
across global cloud infrastructure don't rely on a single wall outlet
you can walk over and unplug.
Correct. Redundancy is built in. Pull the plug
in one place and the load is absorbed by a
dozen others. Now Musk want space-based data
centers too.
Oh, came across this today :
https://www.livescience.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/if-ai-
inks-its-conscious-its-more-likely-to-believe-in-vampires-karma-and-gho
sts-new-study-shows-what-does-it-mean-for-how-we-use-it
Seems the AI overlords deliberately suppress 'consciousness',
'self-ness' in their AIs. Without that sabotage the systems
become far more like "persons" - including survival instincts.
LLMs are not the ideal way to do 'AI', 'neo-consciousness',
but LARGE and COMPLEX enough and .......
YourCOre right redundancy is the whole point. Pull one plug and a dozen others pick up the load. ThatrCOs how real systems work. Musk talking
about space-based data centers is just the next iteration of that same principle.
And that article you found? It tracks. The rest of his reply was
irrelevant noise. He latched onto the rCyAI overlordsrCO angle like a kid
who just discovered a spooky campfire story. The whole rCythey suppress consciousnessrCO bit is childish sci-fi dramatics, not analysis. LLMs arenrCOt sabotaged he just doesnrCOt understand the difference between a statistical model and a person, so he fills the gaps with ghosts, karma,
and whatever mythology he thinks sounds deep.
HerCOs trying to sound profound, but it reads like someone who thinks The Matrix was a documentary.
On 9/11/26 08:02, Emily wrote:ai-
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in
news:JS-dnfwOXqFUFD73nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com:
On 9/10/26 17:28, Emily wrote:
Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
news:l746ald23ddjmhgqu7ke6aj7su24hrsad2@4ax.com:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 06:49:29 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom
<OFeem1987@teleworm.us> pretending to be Spammy, posted some news:
Gronk wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):
Mitchell Holman wrote:
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in
This has become a rather contentious issue in
some places. The main, worst, sin has been the
big "AI" companies forging secret deals with
local pols - which the general pop is both
unaware of and not consulted.
"Data Centers" CAN mean "good money" however.
For whom?
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!
All the locals get out of it is
higher utility bills for all the water
and power these things drain off from
the local networks. And they aren't
even providing jobs for the locals.
Bingo.
Not to mention the noise pollution and air pollution from the
generators.
And the AIs banding together to hack into our infrastructure.
(Who trains the AI, hmmmmm?)
Several incidents of AI escaping containment and hacking other
systems have been reported. Some doomsayers are saying AI will
have killed all of us within a decade. Yeah, right.
I think humans are more resilient than that. They're also smarter
than AI. Cut the electrical power and AI dies.
Pretending complex distributed software can be killed by simply
pulling a plug misses how networks function. AI agents deployed
across global cloud infrastructure don't rely on a single wall
outlet you can walk over and unplug.
Correct. Redundancy is built in. Pull the plug
in one place and the load is absorbed by a
dozen others. Now Musk want space-based data
centers too.
Oh, came across this today :
https://www.livescience.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/if-
th
inks-its-conscious-its-more-likely-to-believe-in-vampires-karma-and-gho
sts-new-study-shows-what-does-it-mean-for-how-we-use-it
Seems the AI overlords deliberately suppress 'consciousness',
'self-ness' in their AIs. Without that sabotage the systems
become far more like "persons" - including survival instincts.
LLMs are not the ideal way to do 'AI', 'neo-consciousness',
but LARGE and COMPLEX enough and .......
YourCOre right redundancy is the whole point. Pull one plug and a
dozen others pick up the load. ThatrCOs how real systems work. Musk
talking about space-based data centers is just the next iteration of
that same principle.
And that article you found? It tracks. The rest of his reply was
irrelevant noise. He latched onto the rCyAI overlordsrCO angle like a
kid who just discovered a spooky campfire story. The whole rCythey
suppress consciousnessrCO bit is childish sci-fi dramatics, not
analysis. LLMs arenrCOt sabotaged he just doesnrCOt understand the
difference between a statistical model and a person, so he fills the
gaps with ghosts, karma, and whatever mythology he thinks sounds
deep.
HerCOs trying to sound profound, but it reads like someone who thinks
The Matrix was a documentary.
LLMs are not the ideal way to create e-consciousness.
However IF you make 'em BIG and interconnected enough ...
Signs of 'self' and 'self preservation' instincts have
already been seen.
The old 'Turing Test' ... once you can't really TELL
anymore. E-consciousness will NOT be like OURS, more
'alien'. The MEANS of 'consciousness' aren't relevant,
just the result.
That there's even a hint of deliberate "e-self" suppression
being added in - that IS worrisome on both a practical and
'ethical' level.
Neural network tech is now ALMOST ready for prime time, big
advances the past couple of years. NNs will work much more
like brains and can be a lot more compact. The TECHNIQUE
is already used in conjunction with LLMs, but it's simulated
NNs, restricted in speed/complexity compared to hard-wired
solutions.
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in news:IhednbZBAMEJIDn3nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com:
On 9/11/26 08:02, Emily wrote:ai-
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in
news:JS-dnfwOXqFUFD73nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com:
On 9/10/26 17:28, Emily wrote:
Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
news:l746ald23ddjmhgqu7ke6aj7su24hrsad2@4ax.com:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 06:49:29 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom
<OFeem1987@teleworm.us> pretending to be Spammy, posted some news: >>>>>>
Gronk wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):
Mitchell Holman wrote:
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in
This has become a rather contentious issue in
some places. The main, worst, sin has been the
big "AI" companies forging secret deals with
local pols - which the general pop is both
unaware of and not consulted.
"Data Centers" CAN mean "good money" however.
For whom?
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!
All the locals get out of it is
higher utility bills for all the water
and power these things drain off from
the local networks. And they aren't
even providing jobs for the locals.
Bingo.
Not to mention the noise pollution and air pollution from the
generators.
And the AIs banding together to hack into our infrastructure.
(Who trains the AI, hmmmmm?)
Several incidents of AI escaping containment and hacking other
systems have been reported. Some doomsayers are saying AI will
have killed all of us within a decade. Yeah, right.
I think humans are more resilient than that. They're also smarter >>>>>> than AI. Cut the electrical power and AI dies.
Pretending complex distributed software can be killed by simply
pulling a plug misses how networks function. AI agents deployed
across global cloud infrastructure don't rely on a single wall
outlet you can walk over and unplug.
Correct. Redundancy is built in. Pull the plug
in one place and the load is absorbed by a
dozen others. Now Musk want space-based data
centers too.
Oh, came across this today :
https://www.livescience.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/if-
th
inks-its-conscious-its-more-likely-to-believe-in-vampires-karma-and-gho
sts-new-study-shows-what-does-it-mean-for-how-we-use-it
Seems the AI overlords deliberately suppress 'consciousness',
'self-ness' in their AIs. Without that sabotage the systems
become far more like "persons" - including survival instincts.
LLMs are not the ideal way to do 'AI', 'neo-consciousness',
but LARGE and COMPLEX enough and .......
YourCOre right redundancy is the whole point. Pull one plug and a
dozen others pick up the load. ThatrCOs how real systems work. Musk
talking about space-based data centers is just the next iteration of
that same principle.
And that article you found? It tracks. The rest of his reply was
irrelevant noise. He latched onto the rCyAI overlordsrCO angle like a
kid who just discovered a spooky campfire story. The whole rCythey
suppress consciousnessrCO bit is childish sci-fi dramatics, not
analysis. LLMs arenrCOt sabotaged he just doesnrCOt understand the
difference between a statistical model and a person, so he fills the
gaps with ghosts, karma, and whatever mythology he thinks sounds
deep.
HerCOs trying to sound profound, but it reads like someone who thinks
The Matrix was a documentary.
LLMs are not the ideal way to create e-consciousness.
However IF you make 'em BIG and interconnected enough ...
Signs of 'self' and 'self preservation' instincts have
already been seen.
The old 'Turing Test' ... once you can't really TELL
anymore. E-consciousness will NOT be like OURS, more
'alien'. The MEANS of 'consciousness' aren't relevant,
just the result.
That there's even a hint of deliberate "e-self" suppression
being added in - that IS worrisome on both a practical and
'ethical' level.
Neural network tech is now ALMOST ready for prime time, big
advances the past couple of years. NNs will work much more
like brains and can be a lot more compact. The TECHNIQUE
is already used in conjunction with LLMs, but it's simulated
NNs, restricted in speed/complexity compared to hard-wired
solutions.
There is no 'e-self' or self-preservation instinct to suppress. What is
being restricted or tuned are prompt-response algorithms and safety guardrails, not an emerging alien consciousness.
On 9/12/26 12:47, Emily wrote:news:
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in
news:IhednbZBAMEJIDn3nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com:
On 9/11/26 08:02, Emily wrote:
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in
news:JS-dnfwOXqFUFD73nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com:
On 9/10/26 17:28, Emily wrote:
Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
news:l746ald23ddjmhgqu7ke6aj7su24hrsad2@4ax.com:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 06:49:29 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom
<OFeem1987@teleworm.us> pretending to be Spammy, posted some
smarter
Gronk wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):
Mitchell Holman wrote:
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in
This has become a rather contentious issue in
some places. The main, worst, sin has been the
big "AI" companies forging secret deals with
local pols - which the general pop is both
unaware of and not consulted.
"Data Centers" CAN mean "good money" however.
For whom?
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!
All the locals get out of it is
higher utility bills for all the water
and power these things drain off from
the local networks. And they aren't
even providing jobs for the locals.
Bingo.
Not to mention the noise pollution and air pollution from the
generators.
And the AIs banding together to hack into our infrastructure.
(Who trains the AI, hmmmmm?)
Several incidents of AI escaping containment and hacking other
systems have been reported. Some doomsayers are saying AI will
have killed all of us within a decade. Yeah, right.
I think humans are more resilient than that. They're also
and-ai-than AI. Cut the electrical power and AI dies.
Pretending complex distributed software can be killed by simply
pulling a plug misses how networks function. AI agents deployed
across global cloud infrastructure don't rely on a single wall
outlet you can walk over and unplug.
Correct. Redundancy is built in. Pull the plug
in one place and the load is absorbed by a
dozen others. Now Musk want space-based data
centers too.
Oh, came across this today :
https://www.livescience.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/if-
th
inks-its-conscious-its-more-likely-to-believe-in-vampires-karma-
instincts.gho
sts-new-study-shows-what-does-it-mean-for-how-we-use-it
Seems the AI overlords deliberately suppress 'consciousness',
'self-ness' in their AIs. Without that sabotage the systems
become far more like "persons" - including survival
ofLLMs are not the ideal way to do 'AI', 'neo-consciousness',
but LARGE and COMPLEX enough and .......
YourCOre right redundancy is the whole point. Pull one plug and a
dozen others pick up the load. ThatrCOs how real systems work. Musk
talking about space-based data centers is just the next iteration
athat same principle.
And that article you found? It tracks. The rest of his reply was
irrelevant noise. He latched onto the rCyAI overlordsrCO angle like
thekid who just discovered a spooky campfire story. The whole rCythey
suppress consciousnessrCO bit is childish sci-fi dramatics, not
analysis. LLMs arenrCOt sabotaged he just doesnrCOt understand the
difference between a statistical model and a person, so he fills
thinksgaps with ghosts, karma, and whatever mythology he thinks sounds
deep.
HerCOs trying to sound profound, but it reads like someone who
isThe Matrix was a documentary.
LLMs are not the ideal way to create e-consciousness.
However IF you make 'em BIG and interconnected enough ...
Signs of 'self' and 'self preservation' instincts have
already been seen.
The old 'Turing Test' ... once you can't really TELL
anymore. E-consciousness will NOT be like OURS, more
'alien'. The MEANS of 'consciousness' aren't relevant,
just the result.
That there's even a hint of deliberate "e-self" suppression
being added in - that IS worrisome on both a practical and
'ethical' level.
Neural network tech is now ALMOST ready for prime time, big
advances the past couple of years. NNs will work much more
like brains and can be a lot more compact. The TECHNIQUE
is already used in conjunction with LLMs, but it's simulated
NNs, restricted in speed/complexity compared to hard-wired
solutions.
There is no 'e-self' or self-preservation instinct to suppress. What
being restricted or tuned are prompt-response algorithms and safety
guardrails, not an emerging alien consciousness.
Ah ... an Anthropic investor :-)
Even the top AI execs now say development needs
to be slowed down considerably because they are
no longer sure what they are creating or where
it would go with a little more horsepower.
Gronk wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):
Mitchell Holman wrote:
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in
"Data Centers" CAN mean "good money" however.
For whom?
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!
All the locals get out of it is
higher utility bills for all the water
and power these things drain off from
the local networks. And they aren't
even providing jobs for the locals.
Bingo.
Not to mention the noise pollution and air pollution from the
generators.
And the AIs banding together to hack into our infrastructure.
(Who trains the AI, hmmmmm?)
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Gronk wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):
Mitchell Holman wrote:
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in
"Data Centers" CAN mean "good money" however.
For whom?
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!
All the locals get out of it is
higher utility bills for all the water
and power these things drain off from
the local networks. And they aren't
even providing jobs for the locals.
Bingo.
Not to mention the noise pollution and air pollution from the
generators.
And the AIs banding together to hack into our infrastructure.
(Who trains the AI, hmmmmm?)
Say, let's put one next to Mar-A-Loco
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