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Christopher Luxon keeps hemming and hawing over whether NZ will finally
decide to recognize a Palestinian state.

Why the dithering? I think itrCOs down to Act. They seem the most obviously pro-Israel of all the Coalition members, with one of their MPs openly describing the recent pro-Palestinian march in Auckland as rCLplaying terro dress-uprCY.
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 08:16:53 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:

Christopher Luxon keeps hemming and hawing over whether NZ will finally decide to recognize a Palestinian state.

Why the dithering? I think itrCOs down to Act. They seem the most
obviously pro-Israel of all the Coalition members, with one of their MPs openly describing the recent pro-Palestinian march in Auckland as
rCLplaying terro dress-uprCY.

David Seymour reinforces this point <https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/winston-peters-scolds-david-seymour-for-talking-out-of-his-field-on-palestine/7DQ3RZCKTZGSJNEDW5TVQU36QE/>:

rCLIrCOm not going to recognise a state thatrCOs currently weaponising
hostages, holding people for years on end in absolutely inhumane
conditions. I mean, who would recognise that?rCY

*Ahem* Who has been rCLholding people for years on end in absolutely
humane conditionsrCY, again?

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians_in_Israeli_custody>:

A 2023 report by Save the Children found widespread use of
physical, emotional, and sexual abuse against Palestinian children
in Israeli military detention. The report found that among
detained children, 86% were beaten, 69% were strip searched, 60%
spent time in solitary confinement, 68% were denied any
healthcare, and 58% were denied visits or communication with
family.

[Amnesty] International reported the use of torture against
Palestinian prisoners during the Gaza war, with at least four
prisoners dying in Israeli custody since the war began.
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 08:16:53 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:

Christopher Luxon keeps hemming and hawing over whether NZ will finally decide to recognize a Palestinian state.

So now we know: the answer is no <https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/winston-peters-delivers-speech-on-palestinian-statehood-at-united-nations/2DHYZRRSNNHURB4AGBSGVZZ5CA/>.

Why the dithering? I think itrCOs down to Act. They seem the most
obviously pro-Israel of all the Coalition members, with one of their
MPs openly describing the recent pro-Palestinian march in Auckland
as rCLplaying terro dress-uprCY.

The right of a people to self-determination is not a bargaining chip,
to be offered as some kind of rCLrewardrCY for behaving like meek,
subservient servants to the colonial masters.
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Lawrence D Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 08:16:53 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:

Christopher Luxon keeps hemming and hawing over whether NZ will finally
decide to recognize a Palestinian state.

So now we know: the answer is no ><https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/winston-peters-delivers-speech-on-palestinian-statehood-at-united-nations/2DHYZRRSNNHURB4AGBSGVZZ5CA/>.

An excellent decision.
If people would only do a little research they would find that most of the recent countries that have said they would recognise Palestine have placed conditions on that decision that make it almost impossible.
We have been honest, they have not.

Why the dithering? I think itrCOs down to Act. They seem the most
obviously pro-Israel of all the Coalition members, with one of their
MPs openly describing the recent pro-Palestinian march in Auckland
as rCLplaying terro dress-uprCY.

No dithering, just fairness.

The right of a people to self-determination is not a bargaining chip,
to be offered as some kind of rCLrewardrCY for behaving like meek, >subservient servants to the colonial masters.

Just another anti-Israeli rant from the OP.
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 08:16:53 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DOliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Christopher Luxon keeps hemming and hawing over whether NZ will finally >decide to recognize a Palestinian state.

Why the dithering? I think itAs down to Act. They seem the most obviously >pro-Israel of all the Coalition members, with one of their MPs openly >describing the recent pro-Palestinian march in Auckland as oplaying terro >dress-upo.

I support the idea of a Palestinian state, but in some place other
than right next to Israel.

Howabout somewhere in Iran? They've got plenty of room and they are
all such good pals.

Bill.
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2025 06:40:06 +1300, BR wrote:

I support the idea of a Palestinian state, but in some place other
than right next to Israel.

Howabout somewhere in Iran? They've got plenty of room and they are
all such good pals.

Since it is Israel that are the interlopers, how about moving them away
from Palestinian land? They seem to be such besties with the USA, perhaps
the Americans will set aside some land for them, since they have plenty to spare, more than the size of Israel (both current Israel and proposed rCLgreaterrCY Israel) several times over.
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On Sat, 27 Sep 2025 20:57:43 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 28 Sep 2025 06:40:06 +1300, BR wrote:

I support the idea of a Palestinian state, but in some place other
than right next to Israel.

Howabout somewhere in Iran? They've got plenty of room and they are
all such good pals.

Since it is Israel that are the interlopers, how about moving them away
from Palestinian land?

The Jews have been in Israel for thousands of years. There is no such
thing as a "Palestinian". The Gaza and west bank occupants are the
misfits that have been kicked out of the surrounding countries and
dumped on Israels doorstep. None of those countries want a bar of
them. Not even Iran. They are troublemaking malcontents. Who wants to
live next door to that? It doesn't matter where they go, they are
incapable of creating a civil society. They are victims of their own
religious and tribal sensibilities.

Bill.
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 17:25:30 +1300, BR wrote:

On Sat, 27 Sep 2025 20:57:43 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D|+Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Since it is Israel that are the interlopers, how about moving them away
from Palestinian land?

The Jews have been in Israel for thousands of years.

So have all the other tribes. They were coexisting, right through Roman,
to Islamic times. Then the Christian Europeans had to launch their rCLCrusadesrCY to stir up trouble.

There is no such thing as a "Palestinian".

Go to one of them and tell them that. We have quite a few here in NZ, as elsewhere.

The Gaza and west bank occupants are the misfits that have been kicked
out of the surrounding countries and dumped on Israels doorstep.

They were there before the founding of Israel. IsraelrCOs founding citizenry were kicked out of Europe because the Christian Nazis didnrCOt want them around, and after centuries of trying to exterminate them, decided to be magnanimous and grant them their own rCLhomelandrCY.

Remember the Zionist slogan? rCLA land without a people, for a people
without a landrCY. If those rCLpeoplerCY donrCOt exist, who is Israel killing?

They are troublemaking malcontents.

Gee, funny that. How would you feel if somebody else came along and said
your land wasnrCOt yours any more?
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Lawrence D Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 17:25:30 +1300, BR wrote:

On Sat, 27 Sep 2025 20:57:43 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D|+Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Since it is Israel that are the interlopers, how about moving them away
from Palestinian land?

The Jews have been in Israel for thousands of years.

So have all the other tribes. They were coexisting, right through Roman,
to Islamic times. Then the Christian Europeans had to launch their >rCLCrusadesrCY to stir up trouble.

So why did you call them interlopers, which you clearly believe they are not?

There is no such thing as a "Palestinian".

Go to one of them and tell them that. We have quite a few here in NZ, as >elsewhere.

The Gaza and west bank occupants are the misfits that have been kicked
out of the surrounding countries and dumped on Israels doorstep.

They were there before the founding of Israel.

But not before there were Jewish people there? See above!

IsraelrCOs founding citizenry
were kicked out of Europe because the Christian Nazis didnrCOt want them >around, and after centuries of trying to exterminate them, decided to be >magnanimous and grant them their own rCLhomelandrCY.

Nonsense, that is you trying to rewrite history.

Remember the Zionist slogan? rCLA land without a people, for a people >without a landrCY. If those rCLpeoplerCY donrCOt exist, who is Israel killing? Also exactly what Hamas is saying - can you not see there are two sides to this? No, obviously you will not see. There is none so blind as he who will not

see!

They are troublemaking malcontents.

Gee, funny that. How would you feel if somebody else came along and said >your land wasnrCOt yours any more?

As above - that is what Hamas are saying to Israel - can you still not see? Obviously not.
Balance is not a word in your personal dictionary.

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