• Re: CDC Undercounts Defensive Gun Uses

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    CDC Undercounts Defensive Gun Uses | RealClearPolitics
    By John R. Lott Jr.

    Whoever controls crime data can shape the political debate. The Trump administration has already reversed some of the changes the Biden administration made to federal crime and gun data, including
    information from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
    But politicization of data at the FBI and Justice Department still
    deserves attention.

    Gun-control activists have long tried to "debunk" what they call the
    "good guy with a gun myth" as they push for stricter gun-control laws.
    The federal government and much of the media have reinforced that
    argument by downplaying evidence that armed, law-abiding citizens stop
    public attacks.

    Unless it's a white CC who takes defensive action again a criminal of
    color, then it's a racist attack.

    Even the most dramatic defensive gun uses rarely get national news
    coverage. One rare example of news coverage was in August of this
    year, when Jordan Salinas shot at a gunman who was shooting at
    vehicles outside a Twin Falls, Idaho, In-N-Out fast-food burger
    restaurant. As one news story noted, Twin Falls County Sheriff Jack
    Johnson said that "the death toll would have undoubtedly been higher
    without the quick-thinking actions of Salinas and the off-duty cop."

    Just since the beginning of 2025, there have been 15 such defensive
    gun uses where police have made similar statements about armed
    civilians acting to save many lives.

    The CDC recently restored information on defensive gun use that it
    removed from its website in 2022 after gun-control advocates privately pressured agency officials to take it down. Until May 2022, the CDC
    cited a 2013 National Academies of Sciences report that the agency had co-sponsored. The report reviewed studies that produced widely varying estimates of defensive gun use. It cited an estimate of 108,000
    defensive gun uses annually, but warns that "108,000 is difficult to interpret because respondents were not asked specifically about
    defensive gun use." The report noted that estimates from national
    surveys ranged from about 500,000 to more than 3 million defensive gun
    uses per year.

    Mark Bryant, the founder of the Gun Violence Archive, was among gun
    control advocates who complained that gun-rights advocates had cited
    the estimates so often to "stop [gun-control] legislation."

    The CDC has now restored its link to the National Academies report,
    but it misleadingly says the report puts defensive gun use at only
    60,000 to 2.5 million defensive gun uses annually, not what the report
    itself says as the national survey estimates that specifically ask
    about defensive gun use range from about 500,000 to more than 3
    million per year, though even that fails to note that the lower
    estimate involves just handguns.

    The FBI has also demonstrated how badly federal data can understate
    defensive gun uses.

    The FBI defines an active shooter as "one or more individuals actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area."
    The category can include an attack in which a gunman fires at a single
    person and misses, but it generally excludes shootings connected to
    other criminal activity, such as robberies or fights over drug turf.

    I have seen these problems with federal data firsthand. Until January
    2021, I served in the U.S. Department of Justice as senior adviser for research and statistics in the Office of Justice Programs. Part of my
    job involved evaluating the FBI's active-shooter reports. During my
    time at DOJ, I discovered that the FBI had missed or misidentified
    numerous cases in which armed civilians stopped active shooters.

    Unfortunately, the problem has continued with the newest report that
    was released on July 30. The FBI reports that armed citizens stopped
    only 16 of the 408 active-shooter incidents it identified from 2014
    through 2025. And only two of the 34 active shooting cases in 2025.

    The Crime Prevention Research Center, which I run, has identified many additional cases that the FBI either missed or misclassified, and we
    maintain an updated list of these incidents.

    Our numbers tell a dramatically different story. From 2014 through
    2025, the CPRC identified 615 active-shooter incidents and found that
    armed citizens stopped 225 of them. We excluded another 35 cases in
    which a law-abiding armed citizen stopped the attacker before he could
    fire a shot.

    That means armed citizens stopped 36.6% of the active-shooter
    incidents we identified over those 12 years. During the most recent
    five years, the figure rose to 42.5%. That rate is about 10 times the
    roughly 4% rate indicated by the FBI's data.

    The FBI is not a friend of the people.

    The difference becomes even larger when we examine only places where law-abiding citizens can legally carry firearms. We shouldn't expect
    armed civilians to stop many attacks in places where the law prohibits
    them from carrying guns. In locations where citizens could legally
    carry firearms, our data show that armed civilians stopped 52.9% of active-shooter attacks over the past 12 years. And it is increasing,
    with 58.3% in 2025.

    The FBI has missed so many defensive gun uses that I find it hard to
    believe these omissions are simply accidental - particularly because
    the agency has failed to correct mistakes I previously brought to its attention.

    Fortunately, no one needs to take my word for it. The CPRC lists the individual cases and links to the underlying sources, so anyone can
    examine the cases and compare our list with the FBI's data.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2026/09/11/cdc_undercounts_ defensive_gun_uses_154492.html

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