• Re: crypt of civilization where a hero wears capes

    From marika@marika5000@gmail.com to alt.usenet.legends.lester-mosley,alt.philosophy.taoism on Thu Sep 3 03:36:18 2026
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    marika <marika5000@gmail.com> wrote:


    This is what the meteor showers looked like over our house in Philadelphia only a lot paler

    They arenrCOt really falling stars tho you will see one from time to time

    Mostly just lights streaking across the sky

    It was too cloudy here this year

    https://secretlosangeles.com/perseid-meteor-shower-where-to-watch-los-angeles/

    Maybe the shower is a superheroes cape, trailing behind him

    Who designs his cape

    How many color combinations do they come in




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  • From who@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Thu Sep 3 11:36:09 2026
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    marika wrote:

    This is what the meteor showers looked like over our house in Philadelphia only a lot paler

    They arenrCOt really falling stars tho you will see one from time to time

    I've not seen any for many moons.

    Mostly just lights streaking across the sky

    It was too cloudy here this year

    https://secretlosangeles.com/perseid-meteor-shower-where-to-watch-los-angeles/

    Thanks!

    Maybe the shower is a superheroes cape, trailing behind him

    Who designs his cape

    Who knows!

    Capes form of their own selves,
    given a Taoistic type of paradigm,
    as dew all things and then they return.

    Returning to the Source, aka Dao,
    if not Being or Nonbeing or all three,
    can be involved with recycling as wells.

    How many color combinations do they come in

    More than are seen using eyes perhaps.

    Infra-reds, ultra-violets are known
    as colors beyond which the waves
    and particles are not called that.

    Pondering how names name can be Taoistic.
    X-rays, radio waves, longer and shorter
    forms appear in a spectrum of sorts.

    - thanks!
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  • From aye@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Fri Sep 4 11:41:55 2026
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    who posted:

    Pondering how names name can be Taoistic.
    X-rays, radio waves, longer and shorter
    forms appear in a spectrum of sorts.

    If some body, or some
    one were able to see radio waves they
    might be viewed as every where all over.

    Cell phones sending messages. Television
    signals over the air. AM and FM radio.
    Short waves and ham all passing through
    each other. Not to mention the stars.

    Radio telescopes are able to see far.
    Wireless transmissions inside a house
    from a router to a computer near hear.

    If some body or some
    one were able to see sound waves,
    moving through the air, or water,
    that might be too distracting.

    Seeing all the meteors in time lapse
    photography is interesting. Shooting
    them with a camera for a spell.

    - thanks! aye. Cheers!
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  • From marika@marika5000@gmail.com to alt.philosophy.taoism,alt.usenet.legends.lester-mosley on Tue Sep 8 16:20:04 2026
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    marika <marika5000@gmail.com> wrote:
    marika <marika5000@gmail.com> wrote:


    This is what the meteor showers looked like over our house in Philadelphia >> only a lot paler

    They arenrCOt really falling stars tho you will see one from time to time

    Mostly just lights streaking across the sky

    It was too cloudy here this year

    https://secretlosangeles.com/perseid-meteor-shower-where-to-watch-los-angeles/

    Maybe the shower is a superheroes cape, trailing behind him

    Who designs his cape

    How many color combinations do they come in






    Perseus is very much a superhero. After all, he killed Medusa.

    I have looked at any number of photos of statues and paintings.

    His upper torso is never covered. Certainly never a cape.

    I am sure this is in part for aesthetics. (Muscles).

    On the other hand, sword fighting is dangerous work. I would get tangled in
    a cloak or cape before I even drew the sword.

    So, the Perseids are not a cape.

    They are his friends, family and groupies.

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  • From aye@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Wed Sep 9 10:21:42 2026
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    marika posted:

    ... So, the Perseids are not a cape. ...

    That's interesting.

    Searching and researching how people
    who live in what is now called by a name
    named the celestial event, information was found.

    - thanks! aye. Cheers!
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  • From eye@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Wed Sep 9 15:36:26 2026
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    aye posted:
    marika posted:

    ... So, the Perseids are not a cape. ...

    That's interesting.

    Perhaps more than one cryptic crypt exist.

    What is the or a crypt of civil people.
    When they didn't live in cities were they.
    Civil that is, each to an other.

    Once up looking they did and saw
    bright lights moving across
    a night sky at times.

    - in wonder ... Cheers!
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  • From marika@marika5000@gmail.com to alt.philosophy.taoism on Tue Sep 15 05:05:55 2026
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    aye <user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    who posted:

    Pondering how names name can be Taoistic.
    X-rays, radio waves, longer and shorter
    forms appear in a spectrum of sorts.

    If some body, or some
    one were able to see radio waves they
    might be viewed as every where all over.

    Cell phones sending messages. Television
    signals over the air. AM and FM radio.
    Short waves and ham all passing through
    each other. Not to mention the stars.

    Radio telescopes are able to see far.
    Wireless transmissions inside a house
    from a router to a computer near hear.

    This sentence disturbed me

    A thing I read a few months ago purported to explain these transmissions
    can be used to spy on people. That they function like a camera, or
    something like that.

    Googling on it suggests it is more than just paranoia.

    If some body or some
    one were able to see sound waves,
    moving through the air, or water,
    that might be too distracting.

    Seeing all the meteors in time lapse
    photography is interesting. Shooting
    them with a camera for a spell.

    - thanks! aye. Cheers!




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  • From aye@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Tue Sep 15 11:04:13 2026
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    marika posted:
    aye wrote:

    Wireless transmissions inside a house
    from a router to a computer near hear.

    This sentence disturbed me

    A thing I read a few months ago purported to explain these transmissions
    can be used to spy on people. That they function like a camera, or
    something like that.

    Googling on it suggests it is more than just paranoia.

    Yes. A search suggests, reflections
    can be observed, motion sensors of a sort, using wireless
    transmissions of radio waves by intercepting them.

    This is the first aye's herds of t'hats.

    Actual data can also be intercepted.
    Phone calls can be as well. Lots of ways
    apparently exist for people who are involved.

    A question might be, why would someone spy
    on me, or you, or anyone else when there are
    millions of people who could be, and are, involved.

    In terms of Taoism, when there are things, material
    and non-material possessions, problems emerge
    which are associated with those things.

    A question occurs, how to evolve
    in some way, to transcend as it were
    and be less and less involved, until finally,
    eventually being uninvolved a form of wu-wei is.

    To listen in on a phone call, why
    would anyone care what is being talked about,
    unless a good reason were to be. Homeland security
    was elevated after bad events took place.

    The NSA was said to be listening in on every call
    and flagging every email that had key words in it.
    If one has nothing to hide, then why worry.

    Hackers might want to hack accounts and steal
    money and probably do in various ways all too often.
    With money arrive money problems. Without any money
    problems can occur involving money. Life is curious.

    Life seeks ways.
    To do and to be.

    The way that is a way, spoken, walked, mapped
    and such might not always be the Way naturally.

    What is, the Way, the Tao.
    Rhetorically speaking.

    - thanks! aye. Cheers!
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  • From one@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Tue Sep 15 11:31:28 2026
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    aye posted:
    marika posted:

    ... it is more than just paranoia.

    Life seeks ways.
    To do and to be.

    The way that is a way, spoken, walked, mapped
    and such might not always be the Way naturally.

    What is, the Way, the Tao.
    Rhetorically speaking.

    When one isn't free, is afraid, perhaps a way
    may be found given a mind that pays no mind
    to what captures it and pins it down.

    Xin is a word. Connotations vary. Heart
    as well as mind arrive at this time.
    In the past xin was spelled hsin.

    Wu-xin, without-mind, without-heart,
    could refer to a kind of a type of being free.
    Free of thought, fear, doubt and such phenomena.

    The Zhuangzi has many stories.
    Lieh Tzu, in the Chuang-tzu, could fly.
    Ways words are spelled aren't always the Way.

    He could stay aloft for a couple weeks and
    whether it was metaphorical, a tall tale or he
    was in a meditative state, a state of consciousness
    from which he returned, a statement was made of how
    much better it would be to rely on the Way.

    - in so many words ...
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  • From eye@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Tue Sep 15 11:46:51 2026
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    one posted:
    aye posted:
    marika posted:

    ... it is more than just ...

    What is, the Way, the Tao.
    Rhetorically speaking.

    The Zhuangzi has many stories.

    https://einzelganger.co/let-it-go-ride-the-wind/

    To know Tao, now spelled Dao, may
    be ironic seeing as how knowing
    and doing or having differ.

    Having a Way, like riding a bike,
    being able to do that, a Road
    or a Path can afford it.

    Once upon a time a chicken found
    a road and was crossing while going
    to the other side its heart and
    hoped it would not die.

    People honked and the chicken thought,
    what, are those things geese and kept
    trying to get to the other side.

    Suddenly a line appeared in the middle
    and the chicken, looking at it was
    totally stuck with its beak there and
    then it was struck by a notion of a Tao.

    A-ha!, it said to its self.
    This is not the Way.
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  • From aye@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Tue Sep 15 12:06:35 2026
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    eye posted:

    A-ha!, it said to its self.
    This is not the Way.

    The chicken,
    realizing how it was talking to its self
    there followed a realization that, if that
    were true then it was not its self naturally.

    https://terebess.hu/english/chuangtzu.html#1

    "Lieh Tzu could ride the wind
    and go soaring around with cool and breezy skill,
    but after fifteen days he came back to earth.
    As far as the search for good fortune went,
    he didn't fret and worry. He escaped
    the trouble of walking, but he still had
    to depend on something to get around.

    If he had only mounted on the truth of Heaven and Earth,
    ridden the changes of the six breaths, and thus wandered
    through the boundless, then what would he have had to depend on?

    Therefore I say, the Perfect Man has no self; ... ."

    - thanks! aye. Cheers!
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  • From eye@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Tue Sep 15 12:17:17 2026
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    aye posted:
    eye posted:

    The chicken,
    realizing how it was talking to its self
    there followed a realization that, if that
    were true then it was not its self naturally.

    " ... Therefore I say, the Perfect Man has no self; ... ."

    What is translated as, '"the Perfect Man" is actually Zh|4r|-n (*c|E||).'

    Perfected beings have no gender.

    Words including true and holy as well,
    speaking of ren, may apply.

    No self, wu-ji; no heart-mind, wu-xin;
    a kind of apophatic situation appears at times.

    Less and less, the chicken knew, was a Way.

    More and more it tried to get to the other
    side when suddenly flying it arrived.

    Without landing, without flapping, it flew.
    To ride with the wind, to glide, finally free.

    It was like riding a bike, coasting, with no hands.

    - Cheers!
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  • From aye@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Tue Sep 15 12:45:40 2026
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    eye posted:

    Without landing, without flapping, it flew.
    To ride with the wind, to glide, finally free.

    It was like riding a bike, coasting, with no hands.

    Eventually however, the chicken landed and
    the bike rolled to a stop. Down to earth again,
    grounded for a time being a time being, life
    went on and what was a thrill was less so.

    Chicken hunted and pecked for food.
    A typist did the same on a keyboard.

    What is consumed as thought, digested
    and expected to last usually doesn't
    for more than a time for time beings.

    To be an immortal, to stay present, now
    and then again reflect up on how the ways
    are able to be ways, but not always.

    Some may say there is a way that is the Way
    and yet it can't be put in to a sentence
    to make a concept stay for more than a spell.

    Others point.

    - thanks again! aye. Cheers!
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  • From marika@marika5000@gmail.com to alt.philosophy.taoism on Wed Sep 16 16:37:12 2026
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    aye <user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    eye posted:

    A-ha!, it said to its self.
    This is not the Way.

    The chicken,
    realizing how it was talking to its self
    there followed a realization that, if that
    were true then it was not its self naturally.

    https://terebess.hu/english/chuangtzu.html#1

    Interesting parable.

    I have raised chickens.

    You cannot keep one chicken. They are social. They die from loneliness. Literally


    "Lieh Tzu could ride the wind
    and go soaring around with cool and breezy skill,
    but after fifteen days he came back to earth.
    As far as the search for good fortune went,
    he didn't fret and worry. He escaped
    the trouble of walking, but he still had
    to depend on something to get around.

    If he had only mounted on the truth of Heaven and Earth,
    ridden the changes of the six breaths, and thus wandered
    through the boundless, then what would he have had to depend on?

    Therefore I say, the Perfect Man has no self; ... ."

    - thanks! aye. Cheers!




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  • From marika@marika5000@gmail.com to alt.philosophy.taoism on Wed Sep 16 16:37:11 2026
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    aye <user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    marika posted:
    aye wrote:

    Wireless transmissions inside a house
    from a router to a computer near hear.

    This sentence disturbed me

    A thing I read a few months ago purported to explain these transmissions
    can be used to spy on people. That they function like a camera, or
    something like that.

    Googling on it suggests it is more than just paranoia.

    Yes. A search suggests, reflections
    can be observed, motion sensors of a sort, using wireless
    transmissions of radio waves by intercepting them.

    This is the first aye's herds of t'hats.

    Actual data can also be intercepted.
    Phone calls can be as well. Lots of ways
    apparently exist for people who are involved.

    A question might be, why would someone spy
    on me, or you, or anyone else when there are
    millions of people who could be, and are, involved.


    If you use the word spy a little more generically, some thoughts could
    occur.

    Many humans have voyeuristic traits.

    It isnrCOt just the government or onerCOs employer that rCLspiesrCY.

    People love gossip, and have loved it for the entirety of their existence.
    A lot of the holy books are basically gossip passed down to the later generations.

    People love intruding into othersrCO business.

    Today we have the news, celebrity gossip, reality shows.

    Public executions have evolved into candid camera type shows.

    People rubberneck at accidents. Tik tok influencers invite us in to their lives.

    A passage from the book I have been reading.

    rCLWhether these came from the Clifford plant, we cannot say, but they mark a turning point in LinnaeusrCOs thinking. If bananas could bloom and fruit in Holland, what other plants might be coaxed into flower away from their
    homes? The banana had bloomed thanks to heat from a greenhouse, but
    Linnaeus believed that plants could also toughen up outside and acclimate
    to colder climes. He vastly overestimated the physiological adaptability of plants. Although he tried for decades, none of his subtropical and tropical imports survived for more than a few years.
    Bananas were a rare novelty. Tea, though, was a mainstay of international
    trade and a special obsession of Linnaeus. With no supporting evidence, Linnaeus declared in 1741 to the Swedish Academy of Sciences that rCLthere is no doubt any morerCY that tea would grow in southern Sweden. rCLPoor Chinese,rCY
    he gloated, they will rCLlose through this more than 100 barrels of gold a year.rCY In ScandinaviarCOs most widely read publication of the time, the farmerrCOs almanac, he looked forward to Swedish tea plantations causing
    China to lose its rCLflowering bliss, and leaving Sweden not a small part of its fortune and happiness.rCY His plans were repeatedly thwarted. Five[rCa]rCY

    Excerpt From
    How Flowers Made Our World
    David George Haskell


    In terms of Taoism, when there are things, material
    and non-material possessions, problems emerge
    which are associated with those things.

    A question occurs, how to evolve
    in some way, to transcend as it were
    and be less and less involved, until finally,
    eventually being uninvolved a form of wu-wei is.

    To listen in on a phone call, why
    would anyone care what is being talked about,
    unless a good reason were to be. Homeland security
    was elevated after bad events took place.

    The NSA was said to be listening in on every call
    and flagging every email that had key words in it.
    If one has nothing to hide, then why worry.

    Hackers might want to hack accounts and steal
    money and probably do in various ways all too often.
    With money arrive money problems. Without any money
    problems can occur involving money. Life is curious.

    Life seeks ways.
    To do and to be.

    The way that is a way, spoken, walked, mapped
    and such might not always be the Way naturally.

    What is, the Way, the Tao.
    Rhetorically speaking.

    - thanks! aye. Cheers!




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  • From aye@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Thu Sep 17 10:54:25 2026
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    marika posted:

    I have raised chickens.

    You cannot keep one chicken. They are social. They die from loneliness. Literally

    I recently heard that about hamsters.

    Growing up, we had a hen that laid an egg a day
    and lived to be until she didn't any more.

    Exactly how long, from the day she hatched
    from an egg until she lived no more is unknown.

    She wasn't in a coop as I recall.
    Her nest might have been on a ping-pong table.

    - hmmm ...
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  • From aye@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Thu Sep 17 11:18:29 2026
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    marika posted:

    If you use the word spy a little more generically, some thoughts could
    occur.

    Many humans have voyeuristic traits.

    It isnrCOt just the government or onerCOs employer that rCLspiesrCY.

    Aye can be curious.
    To say he is one of me is possible.

    People love gossip, and have loved it for the entirety of their existence.
    A lot of the holy books are basically gossip passed down to the later generations.

    An interesting take. There
    could be something to it.

    Taoist books, the philosophical ones,
    basically may be three. The Tao Te Ching,
    the Chuang-tzu and the Lieh-tzu. The first two
    might account for more or less than gossip.

    There was a guy who watched a butcher
    butcher an ox and said he learned how
    to live life as a consequence. He also
    listened at the same time.

    People love intruding into othersrCO business.

    At times, while a part of me tends to be
    obsessed and almost compelled, telling that self
    it isn't my business helps but not always.

    To want to fix things, to make things better,
    could be instilled in people by their culture.

    Progress often arrives with a payment plan.
    The price can be more than the initial offer.

    Today we have the news, celebrity gossip, reality shows.

    Interest is interesting.
    Celebrity is an odd feature of a film.

    The film can be over an eye when the be holder
    finds there is no camera nor on a set.

    Public executions have evolved into candid camera type shows.

    What's funny is funny and not funny at times.
    Slap-stick comedy, for example. Pranks and such.

    People rubberneck at accidents. Tik tok influencers invite us in to their lives.

    Life is curious.
    Its forms form and watch other forms.

    A passage from the book I have been reading.

    rCLWhether these came from the Clifford plant, we cannot say, but they mark a turning point in LinnaeusrCOs thinking. If bananas could bloom and fruit in Holland, what other plants might be coaxed into flower away from their
    homes? The banana had bloomed thanks to heat from a greenhouse, but
    Linnaeus believed that plants could also toughen up outside and acclimate
    to colder climes. He vastly overestimated the physiological adaptability of plants. Although he tried for decades, none of his subtropical and tropical imports survived for more than a few years.
    Bananas were a rare novelty. Tea, though, was a mainstay of international trade and a special obsession of Linnaeus. With no supporting evidence, Linnaeus declared in 1741 to the Swedish Academy of Sciences that rCLthere is no doubt any morerCY that tea would grow in southern Sweden. rCLPoor Chinese,rCY
    he gloated, they will rCLlose through this more than 100 barrels of gold a year.rCY In ScandinaviarCOs most widely read publication of the time, the farmerrCOs almanac, he looked forward to Swedish tea plantations causing China to lose its rCLflowering bliss, and leaving Sweden not a small part of its fortune and happiness.rCY His plans were repeatedly thwarted. Five[rCa]rCY

    The way that is a way, the dao that is to say,
    isn't always and at times isn't at all.

    Excerpt From
    How Flowers Made Our World
    David George Haskell

    I've heard about how bugs and flowers
    are not two. There is a way in which both
    support each other. To say there are no others
    could be a saying said as well.

    A couple, for example, is one.

    There's a line in a text that suggests
    the one emerges or is ontologically subsequent
    to a if not the dao.

    From a dao, before day one,
    there is no day nor night,
    no black nor white and then,
    suddenly, one is.

    To be able to watch, without wearing one,
    a watch that is, to spy out how it goes,
    to see from a sea shore for sure reminds
    a part of me of a guy named aye.

    - thanks! Cheers!
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  • From eye@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Thu Sep 17 19:25:34 2026
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    aye posted:

    You cannot keep one chicken. They are social. They die from loneliness. Literally

    I recently heard that about hamsters.

    Make that guinea pigs.

    Hamsters are solitary.

    - Cheers!
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  • From marika@marika5000@gmail.com to alt.philosophy.taoism on Mon Sep 21 00:49:53 2026
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    aye <user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    marika posted:

    I have raised chickens.

    You cannot keep one chicken. They are social. They die from loneliness.
    Literally

    I recently heard that about hamsters.

    Growing up, we had a hen that laid an egg a day
    and lived to be until she didn't any more.

    Exactly how long, from the day she hatched
    from an egg until she lived no more is unknown.

    She wasn't in a coop as I recall.
    Her nest might have been on a ping-pong table.

    - hmmm ...


    I have to wonder why such a wondrous shape as an egg, an infinite shape,
    full of prized protein,

    https://www.marthastewart.com/are-egg-whites-healthier-than-whole-eggs-12075983

    The yellow orange sun,inside, the real treasure

    It doesnrCOt break when she lays it, doesnrCOt break when she broods

    How did it

    End up being the same shape as null/zero/nothing

    But then, boom, here comes Gladys, upsetting my musings and defying all my notions of naturerCOs delicate pristine clean designer lines

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2026/sep/08/gladys-the-giant-pumpkin-is-this-biggest-fruit-in-world


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  • From aye@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Mon Sep 21 10:39:18 2026
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    marika posted:

    I have to wonder why such a wondrous shape as an egg, an infinite shape,
    full of prized protein,

    https://www.marthastewart.com/are-egg-whites-healthier-than-whole-eggs-12075983

    The yellow orange sun,inside, the real treasure

    It doesnrCOt break when she lays it, doesnrCOt break when she broods

    How did it

    End up being the same shape as null/zero/nothing

    Ontologically, something, existence, being as it were
    emerges or is born of nothing, nonbeing. At least
    according to a line in the Tao Te Ching that is.

    https://www.taoistic.com/taoteching-laotzu/taoteching-40.htm

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_egg

    The cosmic egg is iconic.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundun

    There's a tale in the Chuang-tzu about Hun Tun.

    " ... the state of hundun is likened to an egg ... "

    But then, boom, here comes Gladys, upsetting my musings and defying all my notions of naturerCOs delicate pristine clean designer lines

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2026/sep/08/gladys-the-giant-pumpkin-is-this-biggest-fruit-in-world

    'The emperor of the South Sea was called Shu [Brief],
    the emperor of the North Sea was called Hu [Sudden],
    and the emperor of the central region was called Hun-tun [Chaos].

    Shu and Hu from time to time came together for a meeting
    in the territory of Hun-tun, and Hun-tun treated them very generously.
    Shu and Hu discussed how they could repay his kindness. "All men,"
    they said, "have seven openings so they can see, hear, eat, and breathe.
    But Hun-tun alone doesn't have any. Let's trying boring him some!"

    Every day they bored another hole,
    and on the seventh day Hun-tun died.' - ibid.

    Reminds me of Gladys.

    - thanks! aye. Cheers!
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  • From marika@marika5000@gmail.com to alt.philosophy.taoism on Tue Sep 22 17:32:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.philosophy.taoism

    aye <user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    marika posted:

    I have to wonder why such a wondrous shape as an egg, an infinite shape,
    full of prized protein,

    https://www.marthastewart.com/are-egg-whites-healthier-than-whole-eggs-12075983

    The yellow orange sun,inside, the real treasure

    It doesnrCOt break when she lays it, doesnrCOt break when she broods

    How did it

    End up being the same shape as null/zero/nothing

    Ontologically, something, existence, being as it were
    emerges or is born of nothing, nonbeing. At least
    according to a line in the Tao Te Ching that is.

    https://www.taoistic.com/taoteching-laotzu/taoteching-40.htm

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_egg

    The cosmic egg is iconic.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundun

    There's a tale in the Chuang-tzu about Hun Tun.

    " ... the state of hundun is likened to an egg ... "

    But then, boom, here comes Gladys, upsetting my musings and defying all my >> notions of naturerCOs delicate pristine clean designer lines

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2026/sep/08/gladys-the-giant-pumpkin-is-this-biggest-fruit-in-world

    'The emperor of the South Sea was called Shu [Brief],
    the emperor of the North Sea was called Hu [Sudden],
    and the emperor of the central region was called Hun-tun [Chaos].

    Shu and Hu from time to time came together for a meeting
    in the territory of Hun-tun, and Hun-tun treated them very generously.
    Shu and Hu discussed how they could repay his kindness. "All men,"
    they said, "have seven openings so they can see, hear, eat, and breathe.
    But Hun-tun alone doesn't have any. Let's trying boring him some!"

    Every day they bored another hole,
    and on the seventh day Hun-tun died.' - ibid.

    Reminds me of Gladys.

    - thanks! aye. Cheers!


    That is how you make a jack o lantern

    Here is an albino Gladys
    Tis the season
    Even larger at 240kg, and still growing
    https://tochka.by/articles/life/chetvert_tonny_s_odnoy_semechki_fermer_iz_brestskoy_oblasti_vyrastil_tykvu_giganta/


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