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  • The Early Daoist Milieu - a collaboration

    From eye@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Tue Aug 11 12:22:52 2026
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    https://baopu81.wordpress.com/2026/08/10/the-early-daoist-milieu-a-hypothetical-reconstruction/
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  • From aye@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Tue Aug 11 12:32:53 2026
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    eye posted:

    https://baopu81.wordpress.com/2026/08/10/the-early-daoist-milieu-a-hypothetical-reconstruction/

    Hypothetically, a spectrum
    reminds me of a rainbow and how
    above and below may go to show
    what is not seen at times.

    Infra-red and ultra-violet shades
    of those who knew and didn't say.

    Dao as a noun.
    Negation as a Way.

    For an apophatic nondualist
    there is less than nothing.
    Not even a point being made.

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  • From eye@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Tue Aug 11 12:38:56 2026
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    aye posted:
    eye posted:

    https://baopu81.wordpress.com/2026/08/10/the-early-daoist-milieu-a-hypothetical-reconstruction/

    Dao as a noun.
    Negation as a Way.

    Ancient followers of a trail, a path, appear
    to have left what was right for them to record.

    Dao and De as verbs may be a way to say
    what can't be said very easily using English.

    Ongoing processes, activities, like wu-wei,
    wu-xin, and their kin. Folk tails wagging
    a shaggy dog story. Of legend and lore.

    Fount is a word. That occurs in terms of this.

    Ever present unfolding.

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  • From one@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Thu Aug 13 10:52:26 2026
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    eye posted:

    https://baopu81.wordpress.com/2026/08/10/the-early-daoist-milieu-a-hypothetical-reconstruction/

    << begin quote from above >>

    The Warring States world
    was deeply enmeshed in rCymantic artsrCO (shushu uo+*io),
    local rCysacrificerCO (jisi tN!tNC), and the management
    of rCyghosts and spiritsrCO (guishen o4+tNR).

    The Early Daoist Milieu did not exist in a secular vacuum,
    but the Laozi and Zhuangzi exhibit a deliberate,
    polemical distance from these practices.

    Both the Zhuangzi (ch. 23, Gengsang Chu o|UuiauNU)
    and the Guanzi (Neiye (oaouN!) chapter) ask:
    rCLCan you know good and bad fortune without divination?rCY (*a+taioiLt!<*CitfNoEeoc|E|AN+f).

    The answer is yesrCothrough internal cultivation.
    The adept who has achieved inner emptiness and stillness
    no longer needs to consult tortoise shells or yarrow stalks;
    their alignment with cosmic patterns renders external divination unnecessary.

    << end of quote from above >>

    One is reminded of DDJ 38 where
    after a long list of what occurs after
    Dao and De are lost, 'mantic arts' appear.

    Daoism, Daojia being viewed distinct from Daojiao,
    seems to have been a bit different early on
    from what emerged later on.

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  • From aye@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Thu Aug 13 11:00:37 2026
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    one posted:

    Daoism, Daojia being viewed distinct from Daojiao,
    seems to have been a bit different early on
    from what emerged later on.

    Some may say Daojia and Daojiao didn't exist
    prior to when historians created a distinction.

    Some have said Daoism stemmed from shamanism.

    Many views and sayings are possible.

    Among them could be how when sitting,
    doing nothing, forgetting about the cares
    of the world and simply being, an odd phenomenon
    may be a returning of no sorts nor differentiations.

    Integral reminds me of Te.
    When a form of integrity returns,
    a kind of a type of wholeness, coherence,
    undifferentiated unity, a doublet as it were,
    along with no things or nothing in particular or Wu
    for lack of a better word.

    Neo-Daoists equated Wu and Dao.

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  • From aye@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Thu Aug 13 11:08:15 2026
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    eye posted:

    https://baopu81.wordpress.com/2026/08/10/the-early-daoist-milieu-a-hypothetical-reconstruction/

    The article speaks of a network
    which reminded me of how names work.
    When semantics are not at play.
    After contexts lose their meaning.

    When always referring to one's self using a surname
    first and a given name last, last name first name middle
    name as it were, a change of identity may occur.

    When a title, such as Mister/Master/Lord
    or Missus/Mistress/Lady is used as well,
    then an other strata, a stratification,
    might be embedded within a psyche.

    Connotations change over time and
    references forgotten, just as well.
    Yet without meaning they can endure.

    Rank and name. Title, position, network.

    Society and culture mites wash brains.

    - time and time again and again ...
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